2010 Rotation Comparisons - Yanks, Sox, Angels, Mariners
If the season started today here are what each teams rotation would look like along with typical WAR statistics for each pitcher.
For those who don't know. WAR is Wins above Replacement player, meaning that player can net (or cost you) X wins over some random guy from the minor leagues (please see all of our 5th starters last year).
Note some of these stats are from last year, some are projected for 2010, and some are "average" for the pitcher over their career. I didn't have all the stats consistent so I just used a compilation of them. You get the idea:
Boston Red Sox:
John Lester: 5.6
Josh Beckett: 4.9
John Lackey: 4.0
Clay Buchholz: 2.5
Dice-K : 2.5
Total: 19.5
Note Buchholz wasn't a 2.5 pitcher last year, so that stat is projected. Dice-K was a disaster (0.5) last year but was a 3+ pitcher the 2 years before so the 2.5 is an average assuming he comes back and doesn't suck.
Felix Hernandez: 6.9
Cliff Lee: 6.2
Ryan Rowland-Smith: 2.6
Ian Snell: 1.8
Brandon Morrow: 1.6
Total: 19.1
The Mariners have 2 aces and 3 up and coming pitchers. The last 3 pitchers are all projected to do better that last year (Snell and Morrow didn't do anything in 2009) That still gives them a pretty good chance to win and a pretty nice rotation, especially in a playoff series if they can get there.
New York Yankees:
C.C Sabathia: 6
Andy Pettitte: 3
A.J. Burnett: 3
Joba Chamberlin: 1.5
Chad Guadin: 0.1
Total: 13.5
Note the WS champs didn't have a great pitching staff last year and still won it all. Which leads us into our rotation:
Angels:
Scott Kazmir: 2.8
Joe Saunders: 2.0
Ervin Santana: 2.6
Jared Weaver: 3.25
Minor Leaguer: 0
Total: 10.65
Saunders and Santana are averaged here. Santana has been a 5+ win pitcher in the past but is inconsistent and that lowers his numbers. Saunders was almost a 3 win pitcher in 2008 but lousy in the first half of last year and good in the second half. Kazmir is a projection but he has historically been a 3-4 win pitcher. Weaver is the only one with solid 3+ wins every year.
Based on these stats it doesn't look good in terms of our rotation. That said we're basically looking at the Angels numbers as if everyone gets hurt again. If they don't we might be able to add another 3-4 wins with the current rotation and that's not even counting a 5th starter. That puts us in Yankee territory as far as the quality of our rotation. Not great but not bad either.
For comparison purposes:
Derek Lowe: 3.9
Roy Halladay: 6.7
Josh Johnson: 5.2
The Angels have some work to do if they want to statistically compete with these other teams in the rotation department. Of course Pitching is only half the game, hitting is also relevant, and the Angels did that well last year. This comparison also doesn't reflect bullpens. So not having as good a rotation as these other teams doesn't mean the Angels can't compete, it just means they'll have to do it in other ways.
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Shit.
Shit shit shit.
RIP Nick Adenhart.
"When the Babe tries to call his shot, I hope Nick puts one in his ear."
--RallyMonkey5
Is also what John Lackey should eat now.
RIP Nick Adenhart.
"When the Babe tries to call his shot, I hope Nick puts one in his ear."
--RallyMonkey5
Kaz will
go 28-5, 300Ks, 300IP.
Hey, give me back my crack pipe!
1 line siggy line because I was asked nicely. Go Angels! helpfindscottajob@gmail.com
So he's going to invent a time machine?
And pitch in 1979?
No matter what happens from here on, it has been a great season.
by Rally Manatee on Dec 14, 2009 8:35 PM PST up reply actions
I was thinking more late '60s.
Someone has to prevent man from walking on the moon. Its all been downhill since then.
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Yeah no one projected the Angels would lose an up and coming pitcher to a disaster....
or Vlad and Torii would both be shelved for weeks…..
Or K-MO would provide the same amount of production as Teix at a fraction of the cost….
Or the Angels would sweep the Bo-Sux in the ALDS…….
Projections are great on paper……
How bout we let the best manager in the world….and the greatest FO we’ve ever had do their magic first before we go jumping off bridges here……..
Calm the eff down people!
Yeah, I just stare at my desk, but it looks like I'm working. I do that for probably another hour after lunch too, I'd say in a given week I probably only do about fifteen minutes of real, actual, work. - Peter Gibbons
by norcaliangelsfan on Dec 14, 2009 3:21 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
Yeah,
D’you see that article on the Braves and Angels being the top two teams with “heart” that constantly disprove the statheads?
No matter what happens from here on, it has been a great season.
by Rally Manatee on Dec 14, 2009 8:37 PM PST up reply actions
i found this post pretty positive
i think we still have a fighting chance next year and a great chance to build for the future (if the FO decides to make a few moves in the next few years)
wondering what Ortiz did with that game ball...
Noted. I'm ignorant of Seattle's rotation.
He had a bad year last year I guess, fangraphs projects him higher than what he did (0.3 last year, they have him over 1 win).
Regardless the point stands, he’s worse than the Angel pitchers but their rotation as a whole is still probably better.
Your comparison is a bit unfair to the Angels.
You’ve given every other team 5 starters. Curently, the Angels have only 4 with a “0” for the minor league 5th slot. I doubt they start the 2010 season without one more bonafide pitcher (although I have no way to gauge the WAR of this unknown).
It might be better to average out the numbers (WAR total / # of pitchers). You then get;
Red Sox – 3.9
Seattle – 3.82
Yankes – 2.7
Angels – 2.66
It still doesn’t look great, but not quite as bad. Again, the next deal – if it comes – will be interesting. And I can’t believe Moreno/Reagins/Scioscia won’t be attempting to make a solid pitching move considering all other factors (All Star year, loss of Lackey, etc).
Right the donut in the 5th slot is all I have to work with..
note the likes of Sean O’Sullivan is actually a negative (he was -0.1 WAR last year).
I predicated by saying “If the season started today”.
I think the Angels will likely sign another starter which may add 2-4 wins depending on who they are.
I'm watching Earthquake
and I’d rather be in that situation than the one the angels will be in
Aybar is a nowhere man, Sitting in his Nowhere Land, Making all his nowhere plans for nobody.
by princeton11loveshalos on Dec 14, 2009 4:27 PM PST reply actions
What the hell happened???
Just yesterday the future seemed so bright.
OK, I'm finally over losing Tex. Thanks Kendry.
I guess we should just forfeit now then right?
No need to play the games when the stats lay it out so clearly.
How about the stat that we hit better than 3 of those 4 teams, and hit comparably to the 4th.
"Well make more fuckin' money. This is America. You don't make money, then you're a fuckin' douchebag." - Mr French "The Departed"
"You gotta have nuts." - Torii Hunter
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All we can do now is pray.
If we have more fans praying for our team than any other team, then God will have to listen to us, right? So, I’m praying for career years from our boys. And I’m praying for Lackey to choke and die on acid reflux from too much chowda. Haven’t been a big fan of his anyway the last couple of years.
No matter what happens from here on, it has been a great season.

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