Angels in Talks with Reliever Fernando Rodney?
Signing him would not cost the Angels any draft picks.
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It's too big a eat!
"He's not a Rhodes Scholar to begin with''~Theo Epstein, talking about Papelbon
by George Kaplan on Dec 22, 2009 12:47 PM PST up reply actions
I'd say no...
it could still hurt. I mean, why not re-sign (not resign) Oliver?
Peanuts...Get your Overpriced Peanuts!
by Angel Hawker on Dec 22, 2009 7:06 PM PST up reply actions
MLBTR makes a nice point
if the angels have rodney close and fuentes set-up, they can prevent fuentes’ 2011 option from vesting.
RIP Nick Adenhart
not sure you think he would really help more in the middle relief than what we have?
i feel better with palmer, bulger, and sully. im just not sure he would be able to do well in that role as i dont know he has ever been put in that position. does he have the longevity to pitch in that role?
GO COLTS!!! 09 IS OURS!!!
by TheAngelsColts on Dec 22, 2009 11:43 AM PST up reply actions
Check it out man....
Fuentes in 2007 was moved to the set up, middle-relief role in Colorado after a shaky first half. He did fine in that role. Of course, Fuentes is also notoriously better in the second-half.
Do it for Nick '09
by BryanHarvey'sMoustache on Dec 22, 2009 11:55 AM PST up reply actions
But then we'd be paying a middle reliever 9 million!
by Wally's World on Dec 22, 2009 5:41 PM PST up reply actions
for one year
better than a crappy closer for 2 more. It’d also free up about 9 million for next year’s free agency
RIP Nick Adenhart
by ihearhowie2.0 on Dec 22, 2009 8:40 PM PST up reply actions
who cares!
the overall payroll is still less…which allows us to make move next off-season or a trade this year.
Do it for Nick '09
by BryanHarvey'sMoustache on Dec 24, 2009 11:29 AM PST up reply actions
His closing % was impressive
and he has always had good stuff.
If they can pull this signing off we could have a dominant pen again.
Rodney
Fuentes
Shields
Jepsen
Bulger
Nice.
I brought sexy back, but they only gave me store credit....
as long as Rodney keeps his head on straight
or Butcher irons out whatever kinks he has.
Thank you, Nick Adenhart. You will always be remembered. #34
by howiestheman on Dec 22, 2009 11:17 AM PST up reply actions
Not impressed: career 4.28 ERA and 1.42 WHIP.
He throws hard, good change-up, too many walks, not as many strikeouts as the stuff should produce.
Saves is an over-rated stat as we’ve seen with Fuentes.
by mustard_man on Dec 22, 2009 11:21 AM PST reply actions 2 recs
^ ^agree^ ^
My only memories of Fernando Rodney are SportsCenter shots of him giving up the winning hit…
by Rev Halofan on Dec 22, 2009 11:24 AM PST up reply actions 2 recs
This is pretty bad for an RP
You REALLY want this guy closing instead of Fuentes? Fuentes season last season was by far his worst since 2004…And it was still better than any of Rodney’s last three seasons.
Just as often as he looks dominant in games, he gives up gopher balls. I’m not convinced he’d be better than Rafael Rodriguez next year.
By you...I didn't mean you mustard man
meant everyone who wants us to give up a pick and pay him when we don’t have to.
we dong give up a pick and i wouldn't want him to be the solo closer but as a person who is a situational setup guy mabye
GO COLTS!!! 09 IS OURS!!!
by TheAngelsColts on Dec 22, 2009 12:23 PM PST up reply actions
Where in the "Unrec" button?
Seriously dude, learn some grammar and punctuation.
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by Angel Hawker on Dec 22, 2009 7:10 PM PST up reply actions
thanks english teacher!!
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by TheAngelsColts on Dec 22, 2009 8:08 PM PST up reply actions
No problem!!
i meen ef wii cen wundrstaind vhat u is typen y chud u larn howe 2 spill???
wreght????
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by Angel Hawker on Dec 22, 2009 8:28 PM PST up reply actions
first off my sentence was no where near that, your exaggerating a little much.
second i dont know why you guys feel you need to attack me on every comment i post. why dont you try promoting conversation with other fans instead of attacking them. especially when they root for the same freak en team.
GO COLTS!!! 09 IS OURS!!!
by TheAngelsColts on Dec 22, 2009 10:43 PM PST up reply actions
I guess I don't promote conversation....
because we are not having one. We are typing on a blog. It is the medium we are using to communicate. But when you write in fragmented sentences, have no punctuation, don’t seem to know when capital letters should be used, etc, it makes it very difficult to read.
I enjoy this blog. I even enjoy reading stupid comments from people. But when someone comes along who makes reading extremely difficult, it just pretty much sucks!
I’m not picking on your ideas, but you need to try harder to make what you type readable. At least your response to my obvious exaggeration was written better, but it still leaves much to be desired.
I don’t pick on some small grammatical/spelling errors (as some do on this site), but when every single post you write is so poorly written, I feel it needs to be said.
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by Angel Hawker on Dec 23, 2009 10:01 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
It doesn't take an english teacher
to point out a run-on sentence that is hard to read.
Until spring training starts - let's go Cardinals and Suns!
NA really???? i didn't know that :)
(yes this was also sarcasm if you couldn’t tell) ruins it when you got to point it out
GO COLTS!!! 09 IS OURS!!!
by TheAngelsColts on Dec 22, 2009 10:44 PM PST up reply actions
FAIL
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by Angel Hawker on Dec 23, 2009 9:48 AM PST up reply actions
As George Michael once said: "You gotta have faith."
I love this team.
by Downing Rules on Dec 23, 2009 12:03 PM PST up reply actions
here are both closers pages for comparison i couldnt find a way to put them together so i just got the two links ill try and get a side by side one
http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/f/fuentbr01.shtml
http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/r/rodnefe01.shtml
GO COLTS!!! 09 IS OURS!!!
by TheAngelsColts on Dec 22, 2009 11:51 AM PST reply actions
Rodney is fine...
He will strengthen our bullpen and give Soth more options and flexibility in the set-up/closer roles. He doesn’t have the best control but I remember a closer we had by the name of Frankie something or other who use to have control issues.
On any given night we will be able to have a variety of different combos in that situation. Jepsen/Fuentes, Fuentes/Rodney, Shields/Rodney, Rodney/Fuentes, Shields/Fuentes…
And imagine this. Kaz reaches 110 pitches by the fifth inning. So inning 6 through nine goes Jepsen//Shields/Rodney/Fuentes…or something like that. Sounds strong to me.
Do it for Nick '09
by BryanHarvey'sMoustache on Dec 22, 2009 12:00 PM PST reply actions
"I remember a closer we had by the name of Frankie something..."
“…who had control issues.”
C’mon, that’s a pretty dim comment. They aren’t remotely similar talents.
K-Rod: SO/BB: 2.80 WHIP: 1.13
Rodney: SO/BB: 1.85 WHIP: 1.42
Rodney’s control issues are just part of an otherwise mediocre package, and it’s pretty clear that he doesn’t thrive as a spare part. He had exactly one season where he had success in save situations — meanwhile in the same season, he sucked in non-save situations. And there’s every indication that he will used liberally in non-save situations.
Rodney is just this year’s Esteban Yan.
I'm good with this move. It means more options in the late innings
Think about it, if your late game options out of the pen are Fuentes, Shields, Rodney and Jepsen, then you’re pretty friggin’ loaded.
Bulger, Palmer and/or one more guy from the minors can handle middle and long relief.
Now if we pick up a low-priced FA starter I’d say we’re set.
"You gotta have nuts." - Torii Hunter / Part-Time Nemesis of the HH Reply Function
by Commander_Nate on Dec 22, 2009 12:09 PM PST reply actions
we need a lefty.
badly
Thank you, Nick Adenhart. You will always be remembered. #34
by howiestheman on Dec 22, 2009 12:11 PM PST up reply actions
that other guy would likely be sully or bell assuming we dont go get another arm
GO COLTS!!! 09 IS OURS!!!
by TheAngelsColts on Dec 22, 2009 12:12 PM PST up reply actions
probably Bell
SOS is a starter… i think i remember something being said during the season about Bell being better as a reliever
Thank you, Nick Adenhart. You will always be remembered. #34
by howiestheman on Dec 22, 2009 12:16 PM PST up reply actions
Bell needs more time in the minors...
Guy was lighting gas cans left and right in both roles.
Do it for Nick '09
by BryanHarvey'sMoustache on Dec 22, 2009 1:27 PM PST up reply actions
oh i totally agree Bell needs more seasoning
but SOS isn’t a bullpen guy. out of the two, Bell is better suited for the role
Thank you, Nick Adenhart. You will always be remembered. #34
by howiestheman on Dec 22, 2009 1:34 PM PST up reply actions
Rev -
signing Rodney WOULD cost the Angels a draft pick – he’s a Type B, so it would cost us a supplemental pick
Thank you, Nick Adenhart. You will always be remembered. #34
correct
just so you know wumbug
GO COLTS!!! 09 IS OURS!!!
by TheAngelsColts on Dec 22, 2009 12:13 PM PST up reply actions
i thought that came from us?
Thank you, Nick Adenhart. You will always be remembered. #34
by howiestheman on Dec 22, 2009 12:16 PM PST up reply actions
That is incorrect
Losing a Type B gets a team a supplemental pick.
The reason it is called a SUPPLEMENTAL pick is because it comes in a SUPPLEMENTAL round … a round that only exists for these types of picks. There is no supplemental pick to lose… you can only get one, not lose one.
by Rev Halofan on Dec 22, 2009 12:16 PM PST up reply actions
gotcha
my misunderstanding
Thank you, Nick Adenhart. You will always be remembered. #34
by howiestheman on Dec 22, 2009 12:17 PM PST up reply actions
ok thanks for clarification
GO COLTS!!! 09 IS OURS!!!
by TheAngelsColts on Dec 22, 2009 12:18 PM PST up reply actions
About time....
I’ve been waiting all off season for the Halos to address their most pressing needs…..and finally they’re doing it. The bullpen was the weakest link last year…this would be, as Bobby Abreu would say, “Ooooh Nice!”
yes.
yes it is
Thank you, Nick Adenhart. You will always be remembered. #34
by howiestheman on Dec 22, 2009 12:30 PM PST up reply actions
Personally, I think Rodney sucks...
…or at best is mediocre. And I’d rather pay the major league minimum for mediocre by calling up a relief prospect from the minors.
This move makes no sense to me.
Time to see what Wood's got!
by 101halo on Dec 22, 2009 12:34 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
Rollercoaster Rodney!
You can have him! He’s very wild. He can be lights out, or hitting batters and loading the bases. Then he just gets lucky and the batter pops up or grounds out. If it is not a “save” situation, take a pill, take a drink or get ready to start swearing alot.
Tammy
We're used to sweating in save situations, so this should be a breeze, Tammy
We are the Los Angeles Angels of the late 2000s
by Higz on Dec 22, 2009 12:44 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
thanks man, but we've spent the last 7 seasons with
Frankie Rodriguez and his, not-so dominating, deficient clone Brian Fuentes. We’re use to it.
Do it for Nick '09
by BryanHarvey'sMoustache on Dec 22, 2009 1:29 PM PST up reply actions
Did you not see ALCS Game 5? It was on national tv....
Of course if I understand you right, he only does this in non-save situations. Perhaps a role-switch will be good for both Rodney and Fuentes?
"You gotta have nuts." - Torii Hunter / Part-Time Nemesis of the HH Reply Function
by Commander_Nate on Dec 22, 2009 1:31 PM PST up reply actions
Didn't we acquire him about five years ago?
Except back then, I think we called him Esteban Yan.
"There's nothing that cleanses your soul like getting the hell kicked out of you." - Woody Hayes
by johnnyangel101 on Dec 22, 2009 12:51 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
OH SNAP SON
I wonder how Rodney is going to pitch NOW THAT HE HAS SUCH HORRIBLE BURNS!!!!!11o1n1
I brought sexy back, but they only gave me store credit....
I was thinking the exact same thing...
Esteban Yan 2.0
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by Angel Hawker on Dec 22, 2009 7:14 PM PST up reply actions
All this banter about Fernando Rodney made me go back to look at Fuentes' history.
His stats reveal that in many, many categories that you would use to evaluate a closer, Fuentes regressed noticably in 2009 compared to previous years: ERA, IP, H, ER, BB, SO, WHIP, SLG, OBA, K/BB, BB/9, K/9, and H/9.
It was stated many times last season that they expect Jepsen to eventually become their closer. If I were Reagins, I wouldn’t won’t Fuentes’ 2011 option (finishing 55 games) to vest either.
Oh, Fernando Rodney. How seductive he is. He always puts up gaudy strikeout numbers, but his lousy control brings him down to league average ERA and WHIP. Oh well, the Angels aren’t exactly overflowing with bullpen talent at the moment. I just hope they don’t spend like $9 million on him and ask him to close.
No way at age 32 he gets anything close to that money.
BTW, I grow more pissed by the day at the failure to add 1 million and 1 year to Figgy. Really stupid move. And now no lackey and no olly.
For those who think we’ll win the west with what we have, I have one question:
Would we have won the west last year (and gotten to the LCS) without Figgy, Lackey, and Oliver? The only answer is “HELL NO!!”
Lackey: 11-8, 174 IP, 3.83 ERA, Missed like 6 weeks on the DL
You don’t think anybody else can replicate that, maybe minus the DL part?
Shields is coming back. If Rodney comes here I’d say the pen is covered.
Figgy, yeah I see that. But we have multiple leadoff candidates. One of them will stick.
"You gotta have nuts." - Torii Hunter / Part-Time Nemesis of the HH Reply Function
by Commander_Nate on Dec 22, 2009 3:08 PM PST up reply actions
Lackey got us past the Red Sox
He was our No. 1 starter and pitched like it. Figgy was an all star at the plate and in the field. No way this team is as good without both of them. The FO hosed the fans with below market offers. Just like CC last year. Would the halos have a 2nd title with CC in 2009? Hell yes!
Torii Hunter, Jered Weaver, Bobby Abreu, Erik Aybar, Juan Rivera, Vlad...
Also got us past the Red Sox. Jered pretty much matched Lackey’s performance, and the rest of those guys all scored or drove in key runs. With the exception of Vlad, they are all coming back for at least the next two seasons. We already replaced Vlad so there’s no hole there.
Look I’m not saying Lackey sucks. I wanted him back, but his demands, like those of many players nowadays were simply ridiculous. I already pointed out his stats. He wasn’t near as critical to what our team did this year as people think and was only slightly moreso last year. There are over 1,000 players in the majors and thousands more in the minors. Most of them are average, which for all intents and purposes, Lackey has been for the last two years.
We can find another average starter to match or exceed what Lackey has done for us over the last two seasons without strapping ourselves to a 5 year $85 million weight.
"You gotta have nuts." - Torii Hunter / Part-Time Nemesis of the HH Reply Function
by Commander_Nate on Dec 23, 2009 8:39 AM PST up reply actions
You're kidding yourself.
Am I reading this right?
There are over 1,000 players that you would put in the same tier as Lackey?
"Precious in the sight of the Lord, is the death of His Saints." - Psalm 116:15 Rest In Peace, Nick.
Move on
It’s over.
More than likely you would have been cursing these players by the end of their contract had the FO matched the offers. The FO made fair offers (or no offer at all) for the years & money which they thought they would get maximum production from these players.
They chose to take the extra year(s) & money. It sucks losing fan favorites but I’m glad the FO let them go. Let’s see what kind of success the kids can have.
R.I.P. King Ad-Rock #34
So we're only going to have a 22 man roster?
SOMEBODY will get their AB’s and IP’s. There may be a drop off (we really don’t know right now), but I really doubt it’s going to be as bad as some seem. And the replacements could be better.
Can Wood replace Figgins’ OPS+ of 108? Maybe not, but there’s a good possibility that he’s close. Or better.
Can Shields replace Oliver’s 73 IP and 2.71 ERA? Maybe not, but there’s a good possibility that he’s close. Or better.
Can Santana replace Lackey’s 3.83 ERA and 176 IP? And conversely, can Palmer duplicate Santana’s 5.03 ERA as the 5th starter? Maybe not, but there’s a good possibility that they’re close. Or better.
"There's nothing that cleanses your soul like getting the hell kicked out of you." - Woody Hayes
by johnnyangel101 on Dec 22, 2009 3:12 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
It isn't that stupid
…if you bother to do the math correctly.
The Angels offered $24M/3 yrs. Seattle offered $36M/4 yrs.
That is an additional $12M, not $1M. You can attempt to trivialize it as you did, but changes like that can make a significant difference to payroll.
More to the point, I seriously doubt the Chone Figgins you’re thinking of will much resemble the guy who will be wearing his uniform in 2013 (that 4th year you think the Angels should have guaranteed). I suspect the reason that the Angels didn’t guarantee a 4th season is that they doubt his wheels in 2013 will be close to what they are today, and speed is a significant part of Figgins’ game. He’ll be 32 before the first pitch of the season is thrown, which means he’ll be 35 entering that guaranteed 4th season. Still think he’s a lock to be the sparkplug of the Mariners then?
I don’t. I completely understand the line the Angels drew in the sand. Good for Figgins for making as much money as he could, but good for the Angels for not doing something stupid just because the fans would eat it up.
"He's not a Rhodes Scholar to begin with''~Theo Epstein, talking about Papelbon
by George Kaplan on Dec 22, 2009 9:32 PM PST up reply actions
Come on GK
It was just Enron math.
1 line siggy line because I was asked nicely. Go Angels! helpfindscottajob@gmail.com
Had we signed figgy for 4yr/$40M
“only a difference of $1M”, us Angel fans would have bitched that we over-payed. This issue is dead, Figgy did what’s best for Figgy and the Angels did what was best for the Angels. I will miss Chonie, but I see a satisfactory end to what happened..
I love this team.
by Downing Rules on Dec 23, 2009 12:06 PM PST up reply actions
FERNANDO MANIA
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11111111
"F it, let's pitch." - Ervin Santana
by Chzburger Jones on Dec 22, 2009 2:50 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
Bullpen by committee?
I like the idea of another power arm in the pen, allowing Scioscia to play the match-up game. BUT…
…I have a bad feeling about the amount of $$$ Rodney wants. Sounds like Fuentes Part Deux.
1 line siggy line because I was asked nicely. Go Angels! helpfindscottajob@gmail.com
The Phillies are talking to Rodney too apparently
Up yours Philly! Get the F outta here!!!
"You gotta have nuts." - Torii Hunter / Part-Time Nemesis of the HH Reply Function
Biggsy just said Philly is offering 2/20M for Rodney.
The 2009 Pregame Picks Winner and Iron Man of Halos Heaven.com
Some encouraging stats about Rodney in this article
http://sports.espn.go.com/los-angeles/mlb/news/story?id=4765074
"F it, let's pitch." - Ervin Santana
by Chzburger Jones on Dec 22, 2009 4:50 PM PST reply actions
Wow, if we let Oliver walk to sign this guy for twice as much or more .? . ?
All you payroll minded folks out there are going to have a hard time spinning this one.
This guy is jut not that great
and no WAY WAY WAY in hell is he worth more than Darren Oliver let alone three times as much as D.O. …
by Rev Halofan on Dec 22, 2009 8:58 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
have faith in the butch, rev...
he’ll shape up he conrol issues and groom rodney into a quality bullpen pitcher. think of what he did with palmer or jepsen or bulger….
Do it for Nick '09
by BryanHarvey'sMoustache on Dec 24, 2009 11:33 AM PST up reply actions
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