Free Agent Pitchers
Considering the main objectives for the offseason were to add some pitching and a solid hitter- apparently with Matsui being the hitter- We should still be in the market for some pitching. Now that Texas has poached Oliver from us, It is looking more likely to me Palmer is going to stay in the bullpen and we will add a starter. Below is a list of some of the major FA starting pitchers I found and a few comments on each.
My personal feeling is someone like Doug Davis, Joel Pineiro or Jarrod Washburn would be a great fit. I would also be interested in bringing back Garland, he was a solid guy to throw out there every fifth day. So what are your thoughts, who do you want to see on the mound for the angels in 2010 besides Weaver, Kazmir, Santana and Saunders?
Doug Davis (34)- Solid pitcher, 146 K's in 203 innings, 4.12 era but he gives up a lot of walks and hr. Probably not the best option, but a serviceable #5.
Justin Duchscherer (32)- awesome potential. This guy will be an ace if he is over the depression that kept him off the mound in 2009. 2008 numbers- 95k in 141 innings- 1.00 WHIP, .210 BAA
Jon Garland (30)- Solid number 5 starter. Former Angel who is a reliable guy that keeps the team in games. With as many runs as I expect the team to score next year, he could be a good fit.
Noah Lowry (29)- Hasnt pitched in the majors in 2 years because of an arm injury that is now supposed to be fixed. Solid pitcher with a great changeup before the injury.
Mark Mulder (32)- Sat out '09 and struggled quite a bit with arm injuries in 08.
Joel Pineiro (31) - 214 innings 105 K's, only 11 HR allowed with a 1.14 WHIP and .268 BAA. Another solid option.
Ben Sheets (31)- Great stuff in between injuries. If he can stay healthy he could be a great pickup, the only real question is how long he will last.
Jarrod Washburn (35)- Another former Angel who has had success with us before. Washburn could be a great guy to bring back to the big A. Usually has great stuff and horrible run support.
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You make a lot of sense
Garland might be ideal.
Sheets would be a dream with an incentive-laced deal that kicks in a 2nd and 3rd year based on # of appearances.
If you can get Bedard with a lot of incentives
on a one year with an option year, (I’d go possibly 2yr/16-18 at most), I’d love it. I think he’s still got ace stuff…would be a really solid pick-up.
Him and Sheets, really. Doucher? Not so much.
by Caseys Kiss of Death on Dec 23, 2009 12:21 AM PST reply actions
I wouldn't go near Bedard
It is Kerry Wood redux. Awesome potential, flashes of brilliance, nagging injuries, premium salary, unfulfilled dreams.
"He's not a Rhodes Scholar to begin with''~Theo Epstein, talking about Papelbon
by George Kaplan on Dec 23, 2009 9:26 AM PST up reply actions
That's why I said I'd take him
if the premium salary DIDN’T come with the territory. He was averaging more than 160 innings before this two year shitfest of injuries. I think he’s still got a ways to go before he hits Kerry Wood territory.
Or we can do like the Red Sox did with Smoltz and Penny last year, and roll the dice on TWO injury guys (Sheets and Bedard on one year deals) and hope one of the two pans out. Because…hey, why the fuck not at this point if we’re doing NOTHING else?
by Caseys Kiss of Death on Dec 23, 2009 1:14 PM PST up reply actions
I think the Angels have enough depth
to try a risk/reward guy like Doucherer or Badard (lol u c wat i did thr?).
If they suck ass then just throw in Palmer and he should win about 25-40 games in ’10.
I brought sexy back, but they only gave me store credit....
yea i mean obviously we never know and out of the two i guess what worries me the most about Doucher is the depression he went through last year and what is going to come of it.
for bedard after seeing him in seattle i really wouldn’t want him as he seems to be pretty injury ridden
GO COLTS!!! 09 IS OURS!!!
by TheAngelsColts on Dec 23, 2009 12:36 AM PST up reply actions
ok this is what i found on kelvim Escobar which isn't much but ill keep an eye on it
Team League W L ERA G GS CG SHO SV IP H R ER HR BB SO GO/AO AVG
LAR VWL 0 0 0.00 1 0 0 0 0 1.0 0 0 0 0 1 1 0.00 .000
GO COLTS!!! 09 IS OURS!!!
by TheAngelsColts on Dec 23, 2009 12:58 AM PST up reply actions
na personally i got no confidence in Bedard or Doucher.
i do however agree with the others that they could be solid number 5’s
one question i got though and i dont know if anyone has heard anything on it. i know most gave up on him, but escobar was signed to a winter league and is pitching. i havent checked to see if he has actually pitched but if his arm is looking good it may be worth signing him? we would probably sign him to a minor league deal of the bat first however.
GO COLTS!!! 09 IS OURS!!!
by TheAngelsColts on Dec 23, 2009 12:34 AM PST reply actions
ok this is what i found on Kelvim Escobar, it isn't much but ill keep an eye on it and keep updating it
Team League W L ERA G GS CG SHO SV IP H R ER HR BB SO GO/AO AVG
LAR VWL 0 0 0.00 1 0 0 0 0 1.0 0 0 0 0 1 1 0.00 .000
sorry i see that the preview will have it all messed up so for those that don’t want to look at it the way it is here is the link to his page which contains his winter league numbers
http://mlb.mlb.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?pos=P&sid=l135&t=p_pbp&pid=113898
GO COLTS!!! 09 IS OURS!!!
by TheAngelsColts on Dec 23, 2009 1:03 AM PST up reply actions
Bedard or Sheets in my opinion
With preference towards Bedard, if only because it would be hilarious to see him be an Ace for us, while we pay an incentive-laden contract for the guy that the M’s gave up “at-the-tender-age-of-23-and-already-an-all-star-and-gold-glove-winning-CF” Adam Jones for. Oh, as well as George Sherrill and still-great-SP-prospect Chris Tillman.
Man, I wish Bavasi was still the M’s GM. That was an awesome trade for every other AL West team…
Time to see what Wood's got!
Oh man... and then the Orioles turned Sherrill after a year of closing into...
…really solid 3B prospect Josh Bell and a decent SP pitching Steve Johnson in the trade with the Doyers. Almost have to wonder if the Orioles-Mariners swap of Bedard actually was even more crazy than that Piercynski trade…
Time to see what Wood's got!
"there's a reason the mariners gave the Orioles the ransom and gave him the millions they did."
Insanity and incompetence are reasons, yes.
by mattwelch on Dec 23, 2009 12:50 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
As a prospect/draft pick kind of guy... you have to just marvel at that trade, no?
Time to see what Wood's got!
But look at bedard's numbers before the trade...
avg year career stats as of the end of 2007
28 games started, 164 innings pitched, 1.35 WHIP, 160K, .250 BAA, 3.87 ERA. With 2007 being his “breakout” year where he had 221k in 182 innings, 1.06 WHIP, .212 BAA and a 3.16 ERA. The guy looked like a star worth giving up the farm for and I bet there were a lot of fans on here worried about the division when the m’s got him.
If he can get back to 2007 form, he would be a great addition.
by Balls and Strikes on Dec 23, 2009 9:08 AM PST up reply actions
Sheets would be my first choice, Garland wouldn't upset me
Sheets could payoff pretty well if he stays healthy.
Garland was decent at the back end for us in 2008 and our offense should score a ton more runs next year than they did in ‘08 so he’d have a lot more support, as you said.
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by Commander_Nate on Dec 23, 2009 10:40 AM PST reply actions
I'd take almost any of those guys
for a 5th starter’s spot.
As Joe Namath would say, “It’s 3am and Miss America isn’t walking in the door.” There aren’t many choices, and every one of the starters mentioned has warts of one kind or another. But for the right price, any one of them would fit nicely into the back end of the rotation. I just wouldn’t break the bank for any of them.
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by johnnyangel101 on Dec 23, 2009 11:06 AM PST reply actions
Not sure but
I think I’d rather go into Spring with what we’ve got. See who wins the job. See if anyone stands out. See if we need any help come the end of June, then worry about it. If all is well without having to sign a high-risk FA, then we can pocket that money for next year’s superior FA class. Perhaps go after a Cliff Lee type.
I’m willing to bet that one or two of our front 4 SPs can step into the role of ace. My highest bid goes to Weaver because he’s got the temperament of an ace, more than mellow Saundo and skittish Santana. I guess Kazmir could kick ass too, I just don’t know him well enough.
No matter what happens from here on, it has been a great season.
In terms of high-side impact
Sheets would be the best acquisition, followed by Bedard and Duchscherer. As you alluded to, there is significant risk with each of these men. If we’re just looking for someone to provide hold down the fort and be an inning eater, Washburn, Garland, and Davis are good possibilities. And, if we’re going the cost savings route, we could stay in house with SOS, Bell, Palmer, and perhaps even Reckling or Walden. Chien-Mang Wang could be a difference maker as well.
I am a little conflicted on 5th starter question…I love seeing the guys on the farm promote and get a chance to excel, but taking a chance on an incentive laded deal for Sheets may be worth it. If he does great, he gets his cash, and gets to be a free agent following the season. We get a draft pick as compensation, and then Reckling or Walden get their shot in 2011 (or another free agent in perhaps a better free agent class).
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by Slasher52 on Dec 23, 2009 1:35 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
Will be interesting to see what the FO does here...
If they feel confident in the health of Kazmir, Saunders, and especially Santana, I think they will go after a high upside arm with an injury history. Sheets would be my first choice and I would be fine with Duchscherer as well. My best guess, esp. after the Rodney signing, is that Duchscherer will be our SP pick-up since he probably won’t cost nearly as much as Sheets. However, if the FO has concerns about the health of Kazmir, Saunders, and Santana, they will probably go after an innings eater.
Matsui: Power, Patience, and Porn. What more can you ask for?
I think we should forget them all.
Our number 5 starter should be one or a combination of MPalmer, SO’Sulluvan, TBell, or AOrtega.
I wouldn't mind if we could sign Wash at the right price
He always seemed to be a solid citizen and he wanted to stay when he became a FA last time.
Also, there’s no such thing as a crafty righty
I must not fear. Fear is the mind-killer.
by Moondoggy on Dec 23, 2009 7:09 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
+1
I’m surprised Wash didn’t get more votes. He was a great addition when with us before and his price would be way out of our budget if he wouldn’t have gotten traded to Detroit where he struggled. However, I’d still rather have Bedard on a 1 yr deal with a club option for a 2nd.
We'll probably get one of these guys..
except we won’t get Mulder, who hasn’t pitched a full season in what seems like forever, and Davis, who just plain sucks.
Any of the rest, as soon as they are willing to accept, our ‘market offer’ they will be a Halo.
Similar to Abreu, the Angels are going to sit back and wait until one of these guys comes to them.
Bedard and Sheets are worth the risk IMO
I’d like to see the Angels roll the dice on one of these two.
Play Wood already. Willits sucks.
I'd like to see Washburn
He’s another lefty and averaged 160+ innings over his career. Plus, he hangs around a 4 ERA. Plus, he has post-season experience and some success with it. Wonder how much he wants…
Yeah, I really hope we pick up someone in either the injury risk/ high reward or solid veteran categories
I’d like to see bedard come down and be an ace type pitcher for us just to rub it in the m’s faces. Sheets and Duch would be good options here too.
Washburn is probably my first choice though, the guy was an ace for us in the past, brings quality stuff and is extremely undervalued right now.
by Balls and Strikes on Dec 29, 2009 5:27 PM PST up reply actions

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