just saw john lackey at the goat hill tavern
So as Christmas Eve tradition my friends and I all went to the goat hill tavern in costa mesa and who do we see there but the traitor john lackey and you know what we did nothing. I am home now and feel like an asshole. did i blow it or did i do the right thing.
As we talked trash on John the bartender told us he is friends with john and that the angels only offered him 4 years 60 million and he had ninety minutes to decide. i call bullshit.
so again did i blow it by not saying something to him.
his wife and dad were there and both had Boston jackets on....i am fucking freaking out.
i know some people may think this is a bs story but it is true. John and a number of Angels go to the Goat hill.
by the way i am drunk i love spell check
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the Angels FO does that
gives an offer with a nice time table on it.
Nothing new, not surprised.
I brought sexy back, but they only gave me store credit....
You did both
Blew it — 1) You talked trash about a professional athlete at a bar on Christmas Eve, which is pretty weird. 2) You talked trash about a professional athlete who was there at the bar, but didn’t have the guts to say it to his face.
Did the right thing — You didn’t talk trash to his face, which would have been…ill-advised.
Totally nailed it — Posted about it here on HH.
My two cents, anyway.
by mattwelch on Dec 25, 2009 7:06 AM PST reply actions 3 recs
I don't say these two things very often ...
But:
1. Matt .. I totally agree with you!
2. Panther!
"And the Anaheim Angels are the Champions of Baseball!"
yeah, this is pretty much the perfect response to the above scenario.
Rec’d, panther’d, etc.
Kudos, Matt.
by shiftyeyedgoat on Dec 26, 2009 2:23 PM PST up reply actions
One does not want to talk smack to Benedict Lackey when drinking
I have seen him go section 8 on a bar patron. The Lackster is well know to go to Sharkeys in Newport on Sunday’s after day games. One particular evening The Lackster had a few drinks of the adult variety and had someone “look at him sideways” and well it took various members of the Sharkeys thick neck posse to keep the very large Texan from killing a 160 lb pound surfer who probably had no idea who the hell Lackey was.
So discretion is the better part of valor with Benedict Lackey.
Hope he doesn’t hurt his elbow with his extreme off season conditioning program at fitness centers like Goat Hill and Sharkeys
Jerry and Omar assclowns for life
by Ghost of seven in a row on Dec 28, 2009 4:40 PM PST up reply actions
hmmm
so why is it weird to talk about your favorite team on christmas eve? then while we were talking about the angels Lackey walked in. the bartender over heard us and gave his two cents.
as far as not saying anything to his face…i think i made the right choice
Personally, I might've made a passing semi-jabbing comment
like, “Et tu, Lackey?” or “Do they fly flags in Boston, too?”
But nothing from aggressive alcoholic fandom.
by shiftyeyedgoat on Dec 26, 2009 2:25 PM PST up reply actions
If true
The 90-minute deadline policy needs to be re-evaluated. Can we at LEAST give it the length of watching Avatar??
No wonder we can’t sign anyone.
I doubt it's really 90 minutes
A few hours at least I would say.
it has to be that way
If we wait them out we become barganing chips for agents to show to other teams. We are used to drive a price up and then they sign to an East Coast team.
If a player wants to play for a team they have what teams they are willing to play for in their heads.
The agents job is to get the higher price. So if you are an east coast guy, and want to stay there, Unless the Angels out bid everyone substantially we are only a barganing chip.
Give them the option to sign here and then move on
My prediction as of 12-11-2009- Wood .265 avg, 20 HRs 70 RBIs and an above average glove at 3b
by Sinatrasratpack on Dec 26, 2009 12:52 PM PST up reply actions
You did the right thing.
A) You should always post on Halos heaven first if there is news or gossip fit to print.
B) This is your place to vent about anything to do the Angels and the players.
C) Was Krista wearing a fur coat?
The 2009 Pregame Picks Winner and Iron Man of Halos Heaven.com
And did that fur coat smell like CHOWDAH!
Nick would be proud.
by halofan4life on Dec 25, 2009 8:29 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
And did the bar have that Fenway stench when they left?
The 2009 Pregame Picks Winner and Iron Man of Halos Heaven.com
When you saw him
was his mouth wide open, or only open a few inches?
by MH252525 on Dec 25, 2009 8:40 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
Whats up with the time-table?
Has this happened before? Any link to proof of this? Do other teams NOT do this?
Do it for Nick '09
by BryanHarvey'sMoustache on Dec 25, 2009 9:18 AM PST reply actions
That's how we go Torii.
Laid out the contract, gave him a deadline, and he signed with del taco fire sauce.
Nick would be proud.
by halofan4life on Dec 25, 2009 9:24 AM PST up reply actions
Actually, yes, other teams do also negotiate that way
It is a time-honored way of negotiating. Put the deal on the table and start the clock. The Mets did that with Bengie his first FA, for example. We did it with Torii.
Arte makes his best offer his first one. He hates seeing his offer shopped, which is why he and Boras are such a bad fit.
"He's not a Rhodes Scholar to begin with''~Theo Epstein, talking about Papelbon
by George Kaplan on Dec 25, 2009 2:43 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
thats interesting...
I’ve never read that about Arte’s offers. Good to know. I like the fact that hes a noBS kind of owner who isnt into playing games. However, maybe it would be a good strategy to change your tactics every now and then depending on who you’re dealing with and their agent.
I’m no businessman though so…what do i know?
Do it for Nick '09
by BryanHarvey'sMoustache on Dec 25, 2009 7:20 PM PST up reply actions
Personally.
I’d have thanked him for his time, then said burn in hell. Or something to that affect.
Nick would be proud.
Or something a bit less harsh...
Lackey has a good competitive spirit. It would’ve gone something like this if it were me:
“Hey John, thanks for the flags, man. It was great rooting for you…and its going to be fun rooting against ya now. Good luck.”
I think he would’ve laughed at that or at least been able to appreciate it. I feel for surfpunk though, that must be pretty weird to see.
Do it for Nick '09
by BryanHarvey'sMoustache on Dec 25, 2009 9:44 AM PST reply actions
Would've wished him a Merry Christmas
Asked him how his wife was feeling with that Boston puke all over her, and then wished him good luck and Merry Christmas in Boston.
RIP Nick Adenhart.
"When the Babe tries to call his shot, I hope Nick puts one in his ear."
--RallyMonkey5
Fuck the Goat Hill and that starfucker barkeep
Anyone worth their salt knows the REAL bar is next door.
Thanks for the memories, John Lackey .............. now go fuck yourself!
"Starfucker"???
That’s a new one. I might have to save it.
What’s the appropriate context?
"You gotta have nuts." - Torii Hunter / Part-Time Nemesis of the HH Reply Function
by Commander_Nate on Dec 25, 2009 3:49 PM PST up reply actions
Is this the same bar that I heard Mathis had to carry Mike Napoli out of once?
I heard that story from somebody I know, don’t really remember any details other than Naps being plastered to the 9th degree.
As for the negotiating tactic, I dunno if it was that short but something like 4-12 hours seems pretty logical. This is a business, decide where you want to play and be done with it.
As for if you did the right thing, surfpunk, I would say probably. Maybe you should have gone up to him and just asked “The Red Sox? Reeeeallly? Why?”
But given that there was booze involved that might not have gone well…meh.
"You gotta have nuts." - Torii Hunter / Part-Time Nemesis of the HH Reply Function
Considering the fact that booze was involved,
it’s best that you kept your mouth shut.
no way!
that would’ve been the coolest headline ever:
Former Angel Lackey Involved In Bar Fight With Former Fan
Epic!
"Precious in the sight of the Lord, is the death of His Saints." - Psalm 116:15 Rest In Peace, Nick.
Headline I'd like to see
“Barroom brawling fan does what no doctor has done before — close John Lackey’s mouth”
by PieceOfAase on Dec 25, 2009 11:13 PM PST up reply actions
All depends
How drunk you are and how many people are with you.
Not that I’m advocating starting anything with Lackey, but if he can’t take a little ribbing from a former fan, then he’s got issues. He’s the one who chose to enter the spotlight of pro sports.
"You gotta have nuts." - Torii Hunter / Part-Time Nemesis of the HH Reply Function
by Commander_Nate on Dec 25, 2009 7:09 PM PST up reply actions
90 min or 4 to 12 hours?
Kind of a moot point.
Within the reported total dollars and years is the structure: How much is signing bonus (makes a difference on taxes and how MLB calculates luxury tax thresholds) and how the salary is allocated annualy (front-loaded, back-loaded, or evenly per year).
By that time, there have been more than a few discussions between Lackey’s agent and Reagins. There isn’t a purpose in dragging it out for days—here is our best offer, take it or leave it.
Once the deadline has passed the team can move on to other matters, knowing its best offer was rejected. And it shouldn’t take more than a few minutes to decide whether or not to sign.
"He's not a Rhodes Scholar to begin with''~Theo Epstein, talking about Papelbon
by George Kaplan on Dec 25, 2009 10:25 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
I read the same.
Then while thinking about it, I concluded that maybe the 4/$72MM offer was what they offered before the 2009 season began; then perhaps the offer shrank after missing the first part of the season for the second year in a row.
We’ll never know what was originally offered, but I tend to believe the 4/$60MM offer reported above.
id walk up to him, take his beer right out of his fat hand
and yell at his face
THIS ONES MINEEEEE JOHN, THIS ONES MINEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
then id promptly find a less douchey watering hole than goat hill.
What do you need a fancy suit for, Charlie, you ain't got no job to wear it to.
yeah
sure you would have. I believe you. I would have done the same thing except before I woke up from my Walter Mitty dream, I would have peed on the jackets too.
I must not fear. Fear is the mind-killer.
i would have shit on the coats
"Precious in the sight of the Lord, is the death of His Saints." - Psalm 116:15 Rest In Peace, Nick.
But then when you
woke up from that dream you would have an odiferous situation
I must not fear. Fear is the mind-killer.
Somebody Shit On The Coats
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FpDge-GTGuM
"Precious in the sight of the Lord, is the death of His Saints." - Psalm 116:15 Rest In Peace, Nick.
JUST KIDDING BROSEPH!!!!!!!
if im at the goat hill, id have my collar popped, and invite big john to play some foosball with my Alpha Beta buddies.
What do you need a fancy suit for, Charlie, you ain't got no job to wear it to.
by clover_black on Dec 26, 2009 9:44 AM PST up reply actions
I'm getting the impression that Goat Hill is a trendy, douchey place...
Is this correct?
I’ve never lived in or anywhere near Costa Mesa since I started my wonderful drinking habit but I do live in Pacific Beach where there are a few such establishments. I was also in a fraternity so I know that stereotype as well.
"You gotta have nuts." - Torii Hunter / Part-Time Nemesis of the HH Reply Function
by Commander_Nate on Dec 28, 2009 9:10 AM PST up reply actions
its not trendy or a frat bar at all....but it does suck....it is also the only place near us that is open on christmas eve
Cool, just curious in case I ever end up in the area.
"You gotta have nuts." - Torii Hunter / Part-Time Nemesis of the HH Reply Function
by Commander_Nate on Dec 28, 2009 10:34 AM PST up reply actions
High concentration of douchebaggery, especially at peak hours.
They do have a good selection of beer on tap.
My suggestion, go there mid day, where there wont be the popped collar crowd. I gotta disagree on it not being trendy… its possibly the most known bar in costa mesa. I’d say go to the helm next door, but you might catch gonorrhea in that dump.
What do you need a fancy suit for, Charlie, you ain't got no job to wear it to.
by clover_black on Dec 28, 2009 11:10 AM PST up reply actions
Well at least I'm used to both of those things
Given where I’ve lived the last couple of years.
"You gotta have nuts." - Torii Hunter / Part-Time Nemesis of the HH Reply Function
by Commander_Nate on Dec 28, 2009 2:56 PM PST up reply actions
Foe hotties of all ages...
3 Thirty 3 in Newport. That’s where you want to be if you’re up in OC.
IE!!!
Black socks, lifted trucks and chicks wearin’ Rocket Dogs what WHAT!!!
"You gotta have nuts." - Torii Hunter / Part-Time Nemesis of the HH Reply Function
by Commander_Nate on Jan 1, 2010 5:30 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Nah man, I'm telling you...
That place is legit. I could partially biased as I worked there a few years ago. Now I live in Key West, FL for work but anytime I come back to SoCal, that’s usually where I’m headed for drinks and talent. Could be the free drinks and friends I still have working there too… I dunno.
But seriously, most “Village of the Dirt People” don’t come in as they typically head to the new white trash capital (AKA Skinhead capital) of Huntington Beach.
i miss the watering holes in dublin
those were some great places for a drink at 9am
Driven into right-center field, Erstad says he has it...the Angels, world champions!
You should have asked him
if he would still be willing to throw the first 2 pitches of the game at Ian Kinsler until he got ejected.
"F it, let's pitch." - Ervin Santana
by Chzburger Jones on Dec 26, 2009 7:56 AM PST reply actions
Big Suprise
FA took the most money.
Probably not cool to go near him when he is with the family.
Maybe yell own “Traitor John” or something actually witty, which he could ignore or give a cool response.
"Hey John, disappointed with your decision."
“Good luck in Boston. I hope we get to beat you in the playoffs this year.”
Captain, there are doubt's...
GHT
love those tshirts
IT COULD HAPPEN
by BigBangRobbDawgg on Dec 26, 2009 6:57 PM PST reply actions
Good Stuff!
This sure was fun to read through! Everyone of you guys knows that you all would have done the same as surfpunk and held your tongue until you got home to your laptop, and then written down the whole story here on healos heaven! I, however, would have had the bartender send over a round of Sam Adams to their table with the advise that the sooner they learn to suck down second best, the better!
I dunno
I’m kind of an asshole when I get drunk and something makes me mad, which has led to a few… incidents in the past. A good bar rumble never hurt anyone…much. ;)
I definitely wouldn’t have sent any Sam Adams. That’s one of only 3 good things to come out of Boston. I’m keeping it for myself.
"You gotta have nuts." - Torii Hunter / Part-Time Nemesis of the HH Reply Function
by Commander_Nate on Dec 30, 2009 10:28 AM PST up reply actions
I saw Tony Reagins
On the 23rd at my store, i helped him out for a little while and the whole time i wanted to say something about lackey, but i didnt say a word. (I’m guessing he was at the stadium working on Rodney’s contract) I figured there wasnt a good reason to talk about a pitcher who has already signed with another team or even ask him about FO politics.
I did talk to juan rivera at the beginning of the season, i asked him how he got into baseball, and he said “growing up u either play baseball or soccer and baseball scouts are always in south america, they liked how i played and things just went from there.” He made it seem so easy, tony might have the same idea, “you can always find another Juan Lackey in south america”
Juan must speak pretty decent English then
There was a funny story I read somewhere during spring training where he was talking about trying to get Morales to speak more English. Something about how Kendry ordered the same thing everyday at the drive through but always had Juan do it for him. Juan made him do it one day and he got scared or something.
Reminded me of when I was in Germany at a fastfood joint and couldn’t remember the word for ketchup. Awkwardness and hilarity ensued.
"You gotta have nuts." - Torii Hunter / Part-Time Nemesis of the HH Reply Function
by Commander_Nate on Dec 30, 2009 10:35 AM PST up reply actions
screw that
I would talk to these guys like they were one of my buddies. Trust me, they would appreciate it and you would have a better chance of getting a straight answer.
When I'm not at the stadium, I'd rather be watching my Halos back in Costa Rica!
by Dono Romantico on Dec 30, 2009 11:19 PM PST up reply actions
I probably would have
said i’ll miss you man! while crying on his shoulder.
Sackoff (McIntosh,Goff) like Brangelina.
I would have walked over and told John it's pretty fucking rude to wear
that Boston shit in OC, dontcha think? Or are you just an asshole?
When I'm not at the stadium, I'd rather be watching my Halos back in Costa Rica!
by Dono Romantico on Dec 30, 2009 11:16 PM PST reply actions

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