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Who's on Third? Angel options going forward:

     Chone is as good as gone.  So who plays third base next year?

     Obviously Brandon Wood is the #1 candidate at this point and it is his job to lose.  But can we trust him implicitly with a .559 OPS at the major league level? 

      Yeah Izturis is a suitable backup plan.   Sometimes.   But he also needs to backup the middle infielders as well.  With the departure of Robb Quinlan we're going to need a backup corner man.   History suggests this role should be given a roster slot.  

      If I'm Tony Reagins I go look for a cheap insurance policy on the Free Agent market.  No major signings here.  Just someone for a one year deal to fill a utility role in case Brandon Wood is a total disaster.  If Wood is good enough to play everyday we have a utility backup for one year and we cut them lose after 2010.  If Wood fails miserably we use the signing for the year and then seek a multi-year replacement for 2011 and beyond.

      Here are the free agent third basemen still available:

Rich Aurilia (38)
Brian Barden (29)
Adrian Beltre (31) - Type B, offered arb
Aaron Boone (37)
Craig Counsell (39)
Joe Crede (32)
Bobby Crosby (30)
Mark DeRosa (35) - Type B, offered arb
Pedro Feliz (35)
Nomar Garciaparra (36)
Troy Glaus (33) - Type B, not offered arb
Adam Kennedy (34)
Mark Loretta (38)
Melvin Mora (38) - Type B, not offered arb
Pablo Ozuna (35)
Robb Quinlan (33)
Miguel Tejada (36) - Type A, not offered arb
Juan Uribe (31)

Obviously an Adrian Beltre isn't appropriate here since he's seeking a multi year deal and would require a draft pick.   But what about some of the other players on this list?  Would a Mark Loretta or Rich Aurilia or an Aaron Boone be appropriate at the right price? 

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nah

youth ands if it doeswnt work replace next yr… let wood have his 550 abs

Confidence breeds success, self-doubt breeds failure

by Blaze453 on Dec 5, 2009 9:24 PM PST reply actions  

I thought Loretta was retiring ...

not great with the glove, and he’s getting up there, but boy is he a great pinch hitter.

2010: The year of Angels World Domination

by LazorkoRules on Dec 5, 2009 10:05 PM PST reply actions  

Id take Crede if he is healthy.

Because he would be cheap, but Izzy and Sandoval is our back up.

They want power. We want respect...

by SenorChuckles on Dec 5, 2009 10:13 PM PST reply actions  

This has to be Brandon's shot now.

However, maybe Q should be re-signed as an insurance policy. After him maybe Beltre? Honestly I have no other doable alternatives. Beltre would surely be expensive, and would further block Brandon Wood. I guess roll with Wood and hope for the best?

YOU DON'T KNOW THE POWER OF THE DARKSIDE.....

by halofolife on Dec 5, 2009 10:14 PM PST reply actions  

Yes of course....

  I’m not suggesting the Angels sign someone and then not play Wood. I’m wondering if they will sign a Quinlan type replacement to backup 1B and 3B with some power hitting if Wood should fail or spell him should he struggle against RHP.

by Nashdiesel on Dec 5, 2009 10:23 PM PST up reply actions  

Lets put it this way Nashdiesel...

We have no other viable option other than Brandon Wood at 3rd base. The only thing we can hope for, is that B-Wood is as good as advertised, and Figgy signing with the M’s won’t bite us in the ass. Other than that, I have nothing to offer.

YOU DON'T KNOW THE POWER OF THE DARKSIDE.....

by halofolife on Dec 5, 2009 10:30 PM PST up reply actions  

Eric Hinske should be signed as Quinlan's replacement

Hinske can play the corner OF and IF spots, has posted decent numbers the past two seasons, and should be available at a very reasonable price. Quinlan has been a negative WAR player in each of the last three seasons.

(stat line: OBP/SLG/WAR)

HINSKE STATS
2007: .317 /.398 / -0.3
2008: .333 / .465 / 2.0
2009: .348 / .432 / 0.8

QUINLAN STATS
2007: .304 / .348 / -0.4
2008: .326 / .311 / -0.5
2009: .275 / .339 / -0.9

by Fan Since 1981 on Dec 6, 2009 4:50 PM PST up reply actions  

This is Wood's time to shine

None of those Wood (Cock)-blocking hacks need apply!

by PieceOfAase on Dec 5, 2009 10:41 PM PST reply actions  

I tend to believe

That Wood is ready for his shot at the show. He’s done everything he needed to do and has nothing left to prove in the lower levels. To think he’ll fail just because others have isn’t exactly fair. He’ll be fine.

by TheAntiSox on Dec 5, 2009 11:36 PM PST reply actions  

Don't have to give up a pick for Type B....M's just get a comp pick

that said, if the Halo’s weren’t set on giving Bwood the chance they would have just resigned Figgins particularly when you consider how relatively affordable his deal is compared to what they would have to give anyone else of starter quality

by HaloFanInDC on Dec 5, 2009 11:50 PM PST reply actions  

Figgins requires a multi year commitment though...

  that’s hardly an “insurance” type deal.
 
  I’m asking if the Angels are going to sign anyone to basically fill Quinlan’s old role (Backup 1b/3b) and serve as insurance should Bwood struggle.

by Nashdiesel on Dec 6, 2009 12:14 AM PST up reply actions  

King Tut

The boy king is plan B.

He can back up 2b/ss/3b next year, and I’m sure he will get plenty of playing time.

The only way the job is not handed to Wood, is if he is shipped out for Halladay.

With no more S-Rod, and no more Q, I wonder who is after Mice Tits on our IF depth chart?

by elricsi on Dec 6, 2009 12:32 AM PST reply actions  

Yeah,

I agree with this. Let Wood have his every day at bats. And if he’s not playing well, we’ve got Maicer to take over. Worse case, Wood backs up SS and 3B. Rivera backs up 2B. (just kidding) and Napoli backs up 1st.

Actually I wouldn’t be surprised if Brown or Sandoval make the bench roster.

RIP Nick Adenhart 4/9/09

I blog about the Angels at The Diamond Aces

by Jay Cal on Dec 6, 2009 8:04 AM PST up reply actions  

Plan A is Wood. Plan B is Maicer.

The only free agents that make any kind of sense to me are DeRosa, Beltre, and Tejada but still now that Figgins is gone there really isn’t much reason at all to sign a 3B.

"F it, let's pitch." - Ervin Santana

by Chzburger Jones on Dec 6, 2009 12:41 AM PST reply actions  

I don't necessarily disagree with plans a/b

but Izzy has demonstrated a tendency of b eing made of glass (or he winds up playing for a hurt Aybar/Kendrick) and while I hope that Wood gets 550+ ABs, it’s not beyond the realm of possibilities that he either gets hurt or really really gets overwhelmed. So I think, as Nashdieset suggests, a plan C is in order.

It would have to be someone who can have 200-300 ABs without killing us as well as someone who is willing to serve by sitting and waiting. Based on the choices above, I would probably go with Aaron Boone. Last year aside, from 2006-2007 he averaged 265 ABs 6hr 34 rbi and approx. .720 OPS ( pretty close to his career average). If he’s healthy, he wouldn’t be clamoring for more playing time and would be an adequate glove. Nomar posts similar stats, but there are sqeeks that he’s a clubhouse poison kind of guy.

Oddly enough, Q’s numbers are not far off Boonie’s and he’s been a loyal soldier and a known quantity for some time. At the end of the day, maybe Q continues to be the right choice. We can probably sign him for a minor league deal and if Sandoval or Brown shines in the spring, we cut him loose with a thank you and fond farewell.

I must not fear. Fear is the mind-killer.

by Moondoggy on Dec 6, 2009 1:36 AM PST up reply actions  

Matt Brown

is another option. He’s played mostly at 3B in his minor league career, seeing action at 1B, 2B, and LF. We’ve got options galore.

If any of these guys are traded (Izturis, Brown, Sandoval), I’m sure the Angels would not hesitate re-signing Quinlan if he’s still available.

by wumbug on Dec 6, 2009 1:16 AM PST reply actions  

Good sound advice...

I like Matt Brown as well. But I’m not onboard with bringing back Quinlan. Yes, he knows the team and he’d put on the catchers gear if you asked him to, butI just don’t think he’s anything better than a reserve in the NL. I’d rather have Matt Brown and Freddy Sandoval in that position.

If Wood was to be used as a blue chip in a deal, I can see the Angels trying to sign Adrian Beltre. He wouldn’t be a stop gap as he’s 31, he’s a multi-year guy with value the Angels could really use.

I’m hoping the winter meetings shed some light our teams identity for next season. There are so many moving parts. IMO, if Lackey signs somewhere else, it’s going to set off a chain reaction of moves by the Halos. I believe his departure alters the look of our franchise. We might be forced to look into trading for another arm, like Halladay. I can almost guarantee Wood would be in that deal, which would make us sign Beltre, or someone like him.

Any wonder what it would take for the Halos to get Carl Crawford? Assuming it would take Wood, Saunders, Reckling or Walden, and either Mathis or Wilson to get Halladay. What’s left to trade for Carl Crawford? The Rays want a catcher, an outfielder to replace Crawford, at least two prospects. I know their pen could use some help. Hmm? How about Rivera, either Mathis or Wilson, Arredondo, and 4-star prospect Fabio Martinez or 3-star prospect Garrett Richards. Could work. Maybe. I dunno.

That still leaves us with the 5th spot in the rotation available. I don’t see any of our pitching prospects being ready for the bigs now, besides Reckling, which I assumed would be traded for Halladay. Maybe we could substitute Walden for Reckling?
SP1: Halladay
SP2: Weaver
SP3: Kazmir
SP4: Santana
SP5: Reckling or take a chance on a Brad penny, Ben Sheets type. If not, Moseley or the combo of O’Sullivan, Palmer, ect.

Just thinking out loud………

by matt92130 on Dec 6, 2009 8:26 AM PST up reply actions  

Starting rotation looks tight.

You could put just about anyone in the 5th spot and still win over 90 wins.

RIP Nick Adenhart 4/9/09

I blog about the Angels at The Diamond Aces

by Jay Cal on Dec 6, 2009 8:41 AM PST up reply actions  

Crawford's a FA next year.

And honestly, if they want 2 ML ready guys and even 1 prospect, they can go F themselves.

Nick would be proud.

by halofan4life on Dec 9, 2009 8:25 AM PST up reply actions  

Agreed

The price for Crawford would be one or two (tops) high-ceiling prospects or a single-A prospect and current MLB player. No sane GM would give up that much talent for a guy he could lose in 12 months.

There would also be a value to the Rays to get some salary relief from Crawford’s $10M salary in 2010—thus, fewer players would be necessary in exchange, since the only reason they’d have to trade Crawford would be to lower payroll.

"He's not a Rhodes Scholar to begin with''~Theo Epstein, talking about Papelbon

by George Kaplan on Dec 9, 2009 9:34 AM PST up reply actions  

anybody remember

Wood’s big HR against the Yankees this season? it was a day game and I can’t remember if it was a game-tying or go-ahead bomb, but it got me excited for the future. Wood isn’t Figgins, but he will be a valuable piece in our lineup

2009 was good. Now on to 2010 - Let's go Halos!

by ryanb517 on Dec 6, 2009 3:30 AM PST reply actions  

Sure Do

It was a 2 run, opposite field bomb off of Andy Pettitte no less. I was watching it down here at my place on MLB.tv. I also remember Sept. of 2008 when Brandon Wood hit a couple of jacks while he was getting daily starts.

The guy can clearly do something once he gets settled in.

"Well make more fuckin' money. This is America. You don't make money, then you're a fuckin' douchebag." - Mr French "The Departed"

"You gotta have nuts." - Torii Hunter

by Commander_Nate on Dec 6, 2009 3:15 PM PST up reply actions  

That 2 jack game...

also against the Yankees. Anybody else sencing a pattern here?

Nick would be proud.

by halofan4life on Dec 9, 2009 8:28 AM PST up reply actions  

I think the question's best boiled down as "Who's the new Q?"

Even though we have less need of a backup 1Bman, since Wood can play there. I for one would be happy with Brown or Sandoval, since we need to save what money we can for front-line talent.

by mattwelch on Dec 6, 2009 5:53 AM PST reply actions  

Has anyone else heard the rumor

that we are talking about Jamey Carrol for the utility role?

by ryanfea on Dec 6, 2009 7:51 AM PST reply actions  

Yep, saw that.

I wouldn’t be opposed. He’s a good player.

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by Slasher52 on Dec 6, 2009 8:46 AM PST up reply actions  

Woody's time has come.

Izturis is a good backup, and we have options if Wood falters. There always seems to be a decent 3b available come trade deadline too, of course that is worst case scenario.

No discussion of Adrian Beltre or other full time 3b candidates unless Wood is packaged to Toronto for Halladay. I’ve hated reading some of these rumor articles from d-bag Rosenthal that allude to the Angels having a hole at third. Does he have a clue about the club? Wood was a top prospect who simply needs at least a half season to prove himself, Izturis is more than capable, and Sandoval/Brown have had solid MiLB careers, making them excellent 3rd or 4th options.

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by Slasher52 on Dec 6, 2009 8:52 AM PST reply actions  

I agree with the Sandoval/ Brown comments...

I mean, that was how guys like figgy, aybar, etc… all got where they are- they were the utility guys for a while, showed something and then got their big chance when a hole opened up. Wood has been a bit of a utility guy and now we have a hole. Unfortunately for him, he has stunk it up when he has played, but I still think he needs a real chance.
I seriously would be disappointed if the angels tie up more than a million on a utility guy. That is what the minor leagues are for- cheap talent.

by Balls and Strikes on Dec 7, 2009 5:28 PM PST up reply actions  

Just give Wood a chance...

if it doesn’t workout then go after somebody. But he deserves what Aybar got and Aybar turned out to be a stud and I think Wood is gonna do the same.

First we had a Salmon and now we have a Trout, let's see the same results.

by angelskid2210 on Dec 6, 2009 10:32 AM PST reply actions  

All we are saying....is give Wood a chance!

RIP Nick Adenhart.

"When the Babe tries to call his shot, I hope Nick puts one in his ear."
--RallyMonkey5

by Clutch on Dec 6, 2009 12:12 PM PST reply actions  

resign adam kennedy, which also gives lackey some incentive to resign. these dudes are crazy competitive. haha i loved that oakland brawl way back when…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SlTvSUCCqPo

by ANewFoundThrice on Dec 6, 2009 3:13 PM PST reply actions  

also,

i mean for kennedy to be a infield situational/backup player.. keys to the city will first be handed to wood

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SlTvSUCCqPo

by ANewFoundThrice on Dec 6, 2009 3:14 PM PST up reply actions  

ITs woody time! Duh!

angel fans there is only one option for 3rd and its brandon wood. The angels have known this for the last 4-5 years. We have saved him from blockbuster trades for years hoping he would be a big power option at 3rd base. If we sign Beltre or anyone else to play that position I ask that we all boycott the organization.

by ihavehalofever on Dec 6, 2009 5:18 PM PST reply actions  

Does anyone realize what Brandon Wood is?

There are a few major league hitters like Wood. They had their opportunities. Mark Reynolds, Ryan Braun immediately come to mind. Wood is more gifted then Reynolds as a complete hitter, with a shade less power but much better defensively. Braun is the better complete hitter but Wood shares every bit the power Braun has and is more gifted defensively.

I’m tellin’ you guys, in 150 conscutive games, Wood will bat .270 with 35+ HR’s and very good defense. In 3 or 4 years we’re going to have the AL HR champion.

by Halowood on Dec 6, 2009 10:48 PM PST reply actions  

That would be awesome

I’ll be happy if he puts up .250 and 20-25 HR.

RIP Nick Adenhart 4/9/09

I blog about the Angels at The Diamond Aces

by Jay Cal on Dec 7, 2009 8:21 AM PST up reply actions  

I'll shorten your post considerably
Obviously Brandon Wood is the #1 candidate at this point and it is his job to lose. But can we trust him implicitly with a .559 OPS at the major league level?

Yes.

You have to give the kid consistent AB and a spot in the lineup. The circumstances through which you’re analyzing him are patently unfair and misleading.

he needs a season—again, I’ll say it: Troy Glaus wasn’t the guy we remember when he first came up. A kid needs to get his swing adjusted, he needs the AB.

Give him a chance. Don’t be wondering what time the undertaker can show up.

"He's not a Rhodes Scholar to begin with''~Theo Epstein, talking about Papelbon

by George Kaplan on Dec 7, 2009 7:09 AM PST reply actions  

For those that say "He's already had 224 ABs and has failed"

You need to look at the fact that those ABs have been spread out over the last 3 seasons in bunches of 15 here, 20 a month later, and then 35 or so at the end of the season.

In 2008 he had semi-consisten playing time in September and started producing with some HRs and RBIs. He needs some time to get going offensively. You know who else needs that? Mark Teixiera, Kendry Morales, and Bobby Abreu (at least last year) to name a few.

"Well make more fuckin' money. This is America. You don't make money, then you're a fuckin' douchebag." - Mr French "The Departed"

"You gotta have nuts." - Torii Hunter

by Commander_Nate on Dec 7, 2009 9:51 AM PST reply actions  

lets just hope he's another Kmo...

if Brandon Wood can surprise us like Kendry did it would be a great gift… I expect a slow first half like morales but once he gets comfortable to pick things up. I second that .250 20-25 homeruns most likely from the 7th hole maybe 8th depending on where sosscia bats the catcher. Heck he could even bat 9th since aybar will probably lead off.

by ihavehalofever on Dec 7, 2009 1:41 PM PST reply actions  

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