Jason Bay May Sign with Angels
Many media outlets are reporting that baseball's Winter Meetings are buzzing with the Angels monopolizing the time of free agent outfielder Jason Bay (via his representatives), and the Angels' contingent just landed at the airport in Indianapolis an hour ago.
In the age of the cell phone and blackberry this is more possible, but reports indicate that the Mariners and Red Sox cannot even get in a word edge-wise. Bay is seeking a Torii Hunter style deal: 5 years, $18 Million. He turned down 4 years $15 Million from Boston in November.
Another big pair of rumors is a reported Juan Rivera to the Detroit Tigers for Curtis Granderson trade as well as an upbeat report that the Angels may have found a trading partner for the services of Gary Matthews Jr.
Bay only batted .267 last season but his OPS was .921. That was, however, in Fenway (minor league girls can hit) Park.
If we sign Bay, adios Big Daddy (Vladimir Guerrero)
If we sign Bay, adios Johnny Rivers (Juan Rivera)
If we sign Bay, adios Thunder Mountain (John Lackey)
I will stop before I accidentally rhyme something and you mistake this for a poem.
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a mix of power and speed
maybe less than average defense in the outfield, but you got Torii in Center who can cover some of the field.
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I think these reports are very premature
considering Tony isn’t even at the meetings yet.
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by ihearhowie2.0 on Dec 7, 2009 1:07 PM PST up reply actions
+1
This is stuff coming from the agents. We know that the Angels’ don’t leak info the way most other teams do. They keep everything very close to the vest.
which to me
Makes a Halladay or Cain deal much more likely. Especially with the surplus of outfielders.
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Yes he's worth it...
and I think Bay is a better signing than Lackey considering our rotation depth.
The boss said
A power bat…
another starter
and bullpen help.
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Trading partner for GMJ?
Do it! Do it now! Just for good measure do it again. Unless it is for Vernon Wells.
It isn't that I hate Boston, just that I hate Bostonians.
When the Braves work out the deal with Soriano
We package up Matthews and Wilson or Budde.
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What former Angel do I get to see in Atlanta this year?
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Aren't there restrictions to trading players you just signed?
I may be wrong. But I thought you had to wait a certain amount of time before you can trade a player who you just signed to a deal. Maybe accepting an Arbitration offer works differently. Soriano would be a nice addition. I don’t see the Braves taking on all of GMJs contract though for 1 year of Soriano who will cost about $8M.
I could see a package of Lowe and Soriano for GMJ + others.
Works for both sides.
Sorta
Until, I believe, May 1st they can only trade the player with his consent. They may work out a gentleman’s agreement that they trade him to a team where he’d have a chance to close. I doubt the Angels guarantee him anything along those lines.
Does Napoli keep 44
Or does he wear it when he goes to Toronto?
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Lol if we Bay + Granderson + Halladay - Rivera - Lackey - Gary Matthews Jr.
I would be fine with that.
Line-up:
RF Granderson
DH Abreu
CF Hunter
LF Bay
1B Morales
3B Izturis/Kendrick
C Napoli/Mathis
3B Wood
SS Aybar
Rotation:
Halladay
Weaver
Kazmir
Saunders
Santana
Bullpen:
Palmer
Oliver (?)
Bulger
Arredondo
Jepsen
Shields
Fuentes (?)
We would still need a veteran bullpen arm in there.
Wishlist: Lackey AND Halladay. Somehow.
that's funny
i would like to see who slyintine is going to have play at rover and 2nd base.
Adenhart 1986-2009
Nothing
We steal him, Ninja style

Nick would be proud.
by halofan4life on Dec 8, 2009 12:30 AM PST up reply actions
Torii type money?
he’s worth that…he also seems to hit well at the big A, at least in the 2008 playoffs he did. do it.
and if we can get GMJ out, i say do that as well.
Where would Wells go in the LAA outfield?
That would be a lot of wheeling and dealing in that aftermath, esp if Bay is signed.
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If the Granderson thing doesn't work out
Wells would be in the RF.
Or he perma takes over GMJ’s spot as a backup OFer
Wishlist: Lackey AND Halladay. Somehow.
We bitch about Matthews 10 million for a 4th outfielder
And you want to pay Wells $25 to do the same?
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by Jay Cal on Dec 7, 2009 11:49 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I don't at all
And I doubt that Arte would do it, since shipping GMJ is purely to give us a little cash to spend.
I was speaking merely in hypothetical.
Wishlist: Lackey AND Halladay. Somehow.
Dang, look at the poll!
112 voters, 56 yes, 56 no.
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Bay's ok
I just don’t think this type of money should be spent on an outfielder when we already have a grip of cash spent on the easiest positions, next to 1B, to fill in the majors. I’m concerned that we’ll have a few too many 30-somethings out there.
I would rather see the money spent to re-sign Lackey or extend Halladay, should we be able to acquire him. If we get an outfielder (I’ll leave the Granderson rumors aside), I hope it is because the Angels overwhelmed the Rays for Carl Crawford.
Please trade GMJ. I still think that the Royals and their Gil Meche contract could be the potential trading partner if we add cash and a prospect.
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If we can ship GMJ and take over an OF with a low + 1 or 2 minor leaguers
We can afford to spend a little on Bay and still have money left over for either Halladay or a solid 3rd starter + bullpen arm
Wishlist: Lackey AND Halladay. Somehow.
That's supposed to say low contract
And I would actually not mind getting a utility infielder, bullpen arm or a backup catcher
Anyone with a lower salary than GMJ’s. It’s not hard to find.
Wishlist: Lackey AND Halladay. Somehow.
Maybe
Ah, the hot stove. Who knows, its all speculation. We can all do what Olney, Rosenthal and the rest are doing right now.
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Actually, no.
If Wood produces we would most likely have one of the most dynamic, young infield in baseball.
Morales, Kendrick, Aybar, and Wood are all in their mid-twenties.
The outfield is the aging factor at this point, but that isnt a bad thing. You need a mix of veteran leadership with young talent to produce a winning atmosphere. Luckily outfield talent is not hard to come by via free agency or trade, so having a early 30s outfield is not the end of the world.
Ask Boston, they were looking for a decent shortstop for three years now. They just signed Macro Scutaro…. and for Angels fans who have been around and saw him in Oakland, I think we know they are still going to be looking for a decent shortstop.
I brought sexy back, but they only gave me store credit....
3 years? Heh, how 'bout 5 years? :-D
RIP Nick Adenhart.
"When the Babe tries to call his shot, I hope Nick puts one in his ear."
--RallyMonkey5
I would be more concerned with
Bay fitting into the Angels system, same with Granderson. I haven’t read any stats or anything, but we’re slowly becoming a patient hitting ball club that still small-balls when the time comes.
Seems to be like the Tigers and the Red Sox are just long ball hitting teams.
Wishlist: Lackey AND Halladay. Somehow.
Bay did draw 94 walks last year.
He finished 3rd, tied with Abreu.
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Then look at the stats.
Bay and Granderson walk a lot. They would be great additions offensively.
RIP Nick...
Jim Scully
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by jimmuscomp on Dec 7, 2009 12:19 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
And I MAY win the lottery
Don’t like the headline, Rev. Seems weak. Maybe something like “Angels Meet with Bay” or something more reflective of the news.
How about?
Don’t be such a Bay-bee?
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How about "Bay watch"?
Now stuck in Colorado Springs
by stuck in Romania on Dec 7, 2009 2:01 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
Win.
If he signs, I vote his nickname should be Pamela if he sucks.
RIP Nick Adenhart.
"When the Babe tries to call his shot, I hope Nick puts one in his ear."
--RallyMonkey5
Uh, wait, I did NOT intend that to sound that dirty.
RIP Nick Adenhart.
"When the Babe tries to call his shot, I hope Nick puts one in his ear."
--RallyMonkey5
He'd need bigger tits for that title
at least Brad Penny or David Ortiz sized.
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'Cause every little thing gonna be all right!"
by Quad Fin Rider on Dec 7, 2009 10:26 PM PST up reply actions
would you pay 3 mil a year extra to take away a bat from Boston.
I would.
They want power. We want respect...
Hmn, yeah, that's a good point - this deal becomes much better when you also consider what Boston loses.
I think you just earned my vote.
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Hmm
If the Angels are going after a FA outfielder, I wonder what it would take to sign Johnny Damon. Would he take a 2-year deal? I might prefer a short-term commitment to him over a long-term deal to Bay. Damon would immediately replace Figgins at the top of the order, and wouldn’t cost a draft pick as compensation.
Damon would be a nice addition to the Angels
The Good
- career OBP of .355
- double-digit BB% in each of the last four years
- 68 steals (caught 11 times) over the last three seasons (86% success rate)
- Type A free agent not offered arbitration, so he doesn’t cost any draft picks
The Bad
- He’s 36
- Poor defensive outfielder
The Ugly
- He’s a Scott Boras client
I can imagine Boras and his over-the-top sell job (remember last year; Boras compared Oliver Perez to Sandy Koufax)
Picture it: the lobby at the Winter Meetings
“Hey! Johnny might be 36, but he plays like he’s 26. I tell ya, he’s good for another 5 years. Hits for average. Hits for power. Steals bases. Great defense. And a winner. Got the Red Sox their first World Series championship in 86 years. Got the Yankees their first title this century. Every team in baseball wants a Johnny Damon. Except there’s only one Johnny Damon. Man. This guy! Johnny’s a Top 5 outfielder. He’s great I tells ya! He does it all!!! I’ve already got SEVEN offers for Johnny and the LOWEST offer is a 5-year deal for $65 million.”
by Fan Since 1981 on Dec 7, 2009 12:48 PM PST up reply actions
The reason Arte immediately ruled out Holliday
was because Boras was his agent.
You can put your house on Arte not even once thinking about bringing Damon here.
I brought sexy back, but they only gave me store credit....
Exactly. That's why I listed Damon's worst attribute (The Ugly) as Boras
by Fan Since 1981 on Dec 7, 2009 1:07 PM PST up reply actions
I Agree
with both of you, and that’s why I conditioned the suggestion on a 2-year offer, which I don’t think Bora$ would want. On the other hand, who else is there that’s going to sign him? I suppose he could return to the Yankees; that’s a distinct possibility, but by not offering him arbitration, it seems that they’re not interested in paying him a penny more than they did last year. I doubt he returns to Boston. So, if he wants to play for a winner, and make money, how many options does he have?
He’s a poor defensive player, but if he slots into the OF/DH rotation, it’s not so bad.
Crawford?
They want power. We want respect...
by SenorChuckles on Dec 7, 2009 12:13 PM PST up reply actions
I've actually seen that in the trade BS somewhere.
That would be kinda funny, Figgy’s best buddy taking over as leadoff hitter.
Still, PASS!
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I know, I know...no one likes Pierre
But as a one year replacement…I think he’d do.
Damon would be interesting too. If he were cheap enough.
Figgy likes Pierre
Maybe it would be ok on a one year deal if that meant ditching GMJ in the process. Maybe Bourjos would be ready to go come September or 2011.
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Unlikely, I know, but surely
Granderson-Hunter-Bay would easily be the best outfield in Angels history, money aside?
Nah...
Anderson, Edmonds, Salmon has that beat.
Anything with
Hendrick, Pettis, and White takes the cake.
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Maybe, I can see both of those...
but still, the best one for a while and one I couldn’t complain about…
I was totally joking about the 1987 starting OF.
Devo was awesome that year though, even if his OBP sucked. Actually, they all sucked OBP wise.
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Maybe they weren't the best outfield,
but I love the 80s Unis
As mentioned above...
Salmon – Anderson – Edmonds, or;
1982 – Downing – Lynn – Jackson (Reggie, that is).
DING DING DING!!!!
We have a WINNER!!!!!!!! !982 and the Four MVPs
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Jason Bay: Quick Profile
2009 Splits (BA/OBP/SLG)
Home: .273/.406/.531 (15 HRs)
Away: .262/.362/.542 (21 HRs)
Career Splits
Home: .282/.387/.507 (79 HRs)
Away: .278/.366/.532 (106 HRs)
(split stats available at baseball-reference.com)
He is not a Fenway fabrication. He can hit.
But he can’t field. His UZR numbers (available at fangraphs.com) were bad in 2008 and 2009. He’s a similar player to Adam Dunn, except he’s not that bad in the OF and hits for a better average, although Bay’s K rate was a somewhat alarming 30.5% in 2009.
Bottom line: The Red Sox correctly priced his contract at $60 million for 4 years.
by Fan Since 1981 on Dec 7, 2009 12:26 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
Yeah, we'd better get used to:
“Bay swings and misses”. But, if he clobbers 35 dingers and knocks in 110 plus…
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220 RBI
Bay can get on base, quite a bit actually.
His high K rate only affects his batting average, but not too much more. As long as he gets on base around 38% of the time and clubs 30+ funk blasts then he is absolutely worth 17+ a year.
I brought sexy back, but they only gave me store credit....
I should have added to my post
That while Bay’s K rate was high, his BB% of 15.0% was 7th best in the AL, just ahead of 8th place finisher Bobby Abreu.
by Fan Since 1981 on Dec 7, 2009 1:00 PM PST up reply actions
Yep. Liking this possibility more and more!
RIP Nick Adenhart.
"When the Babe tries to call his shot, I hope Nick puts one in his ear."
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Defense
Too much is made about OF defense and especially all this + / – wins mumbo jumbo. The Yankees won WS with a horrible defensive LF and below average RF. The bottom line is the Angels need to replace Vlad’s in the line up and Jason Bay fits the bill.
I don't believe Granderson is available
because if he were, I’m sure I would have seen some discussion of it here.
by rspencer on Dec 7, 2009 12:48 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
there has been
GO COLTS!!! 09 IS OURS!!!
by TheAngelsColts on Dec 7, 2009 1:02 PM PST up reply actions
I have not seen anything...
maybe i should start a post….
WEAVER AND MORALES FOR GRANDERSON?
?!?!???
I brought sexy back, but they only gave me store credit....
ummm how about not
GO COLTS!!! 09 IS OURS!!!
by TheAngelsColts on Dec 7, 2009 1:04 PM PST up reply actions
You are right, its not enough
Probably have to add Jepsen + Aybar
I brought sexy back, but they only gave me store credit....
No, no, you've got it all wrong
We need to throw in Kendrick and Quinlan (after we re-sign him), and maybe throw in 2005 Bartolo Colon, too! And Torii!
RIP Nick Adenhart.
"When the Babe tries to call his shot, I hope Nick puts one in his ear."
--RallyMonkey5
That's highway robbery....
the guy had a .327 OBP last year!
We’d at least need to give them Reckling, Conger and Santana as well.
The Ninja is arriving at 4 to meet with Bay reps
We will see whats up then.
Best possible scenario is that Tony wows his reps and agree to a preliminary agreement by days end.
Although its up to Arte to either play it safe and bid low, or just go for the gold like they did with Hunter.
I brought sexy back, but they only gave me store credit....
I feel like the Angels style is go for the gold and be able to quickly walk away from a no.
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Takeiterleaveit!
RIP Nick Adenhart.
"When the Babe tries to call his shot, I hope Nick puts one in his ear."
--RallyMonkey5
Bay would be a good catch
But, if we trade Rivera it needs to be for someone other than Granderson. We don’t need a platoon outfielder. If we are able to move Rivera for say pitching help then we may be able to still sign Vlad as a DH.
OK, I'm finally over losing Tex. Thanks Kendry.
Bay's signing would not immediately be the death sentence for Rivera
The way I see it is that Rivera platooning in left with Bay as a revolving DH/LF thing is absolutely possible.
I think signing Bay is more of a sign that Napoli is about to be traded.
Napoli’s defense is the absolute worst in the league as a catcher, as posted as a previous time on this website and im far too lazy to link it. His value lies in his bat and as a DH. His time in the DH spot in 2009 was very productive, posting a .950+ OPS.
I can easily see signing Bay and flipping Napoli to a catcher/DH hungry club for either a starter (Halladay or maybe a Vazquez) or bullpen help.
Rivera is an above average defender and a above average bat. His WARP was actually right about Bay’s last year, mostly because Bay depletes his win value immensely with his horrendous defense.
I brought sexy back, but they only gave me store credit....
We have some room to play
I think we can sign Bay AND still go after Halladay or Lackey, and Reagins said something to that effect. we’ll have to be creative and move some players, but I think if that’s what Arte wants to do, we’ll do it.
However, I wouldn’t sign Bay for $18MM/yr. If we could get away with around $16.5, I’d do it.
Rumors are flying that Rivera will probably be traded, so Bay will have a place to play. Rivera is good and affordable, so he could net us a good player.
Thank you, Nick Adenhart. You will always be remembered. #34
Bay is what we need...
I’m just afraid he wants to play for seattle more. If there is a team that hates us more than any team in the MLB its seattle. That’s why they signed figgins and why they’re after Lackey too. Bay is from BC in canada and went to Gonzaga in Spokane. He’s a northwest boy and would love to finish his career at home. I wouldn’t be surprised if the deal gets done which leaves back at the drawing board.
This would also steal away our first round pick, right?
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Gammons just stated on ESPNews...
…that he believes a Bay deal could happen this week, with the Angels and the Red Sox being the most likely destinations.
OK, I'm finally over losing Tex. Thanks Kendry.
That he looks more like a Bible salesman than a baseball player?
yeah, me too.
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by 44FAN on Dec 7, 2009 11:05 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
But Justin Morneau looks like a baseball player
and even acts like one.
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Yeah, he probably says, "Three strikes and you're oot!"
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You guys are hilarious….
Seriously,grow up with the Canada comments..
No need to mention all the help we did 4 u guys on 9/11 ,Katrina,etc….
As for Bay being worth 20 mill a year ?? I think not….. 15 mill is max maybe 17 at most..He can’t hit for average,but he does have good power and plays the game hard..
I mean no personal offense to Canadian out there
I was just taking the Barney Stinson approach to US/Canadian affairs.
Y'all hated on Stephen Colbert
You’ve crossed the line. It’s time to annex 10 provinces and 3 territories, ETA 2015.
I kid, Canada is alllllllllright, if only because Tim Hortons is awesome.
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lol…No prob guys..I just hear enough of the US/CAN thing on here,youtube you know.I find it rather silly.I have nothing but great admiration and respect for the US and think it is a great country,but Canada is always there to help and we have great ppl (not politically) anyway,enough with politics..
A def NO on Jason Bay..It would be a huge mistake….unless he takes 12,13,14,15 and 15 from us,other then that WAY too much…
A great player but not near what he would want with other teams in the mix…
NO NO NO!!!!!!
On trading Juan Rivera!!!!!!! He’s worth twice the contract he has and we’re getting the benefit of that. If we do have a trading partner for GMJ, then we’ve probably got enough cash to do what we need to.
"Well make more fuckin' money. This is America. You don't make money, then you're a fuckin' douchebag." - Mr French "The Departed"
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Mariners need to replace a top-notch starter that they will likely not re-sign for 2010
35 starts
216 innings
169 Ks
67 BBs
2.71 ERA
Who is this pitcher? It’s Washard (the combined stats of Washburn and Bedard with the Ms in 2009). Neither are likely to return to the Ms. Thus going after Lackey makes sense for the Ms.
Well, since Washburn was traded to Detroit (and not for GRANDERSON!?)
I’d say you’re absolutely right that Washburn is not likely to to return to the M’s.
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BedBurn... is a better name for the combined players.
I love this team.
by Downing Rules on Dec 8, 2009 10:07 AM PST up reply actions
This probably isn't news
At this point you have to figure the Angels are in on everyone available, and probably even asking questions about players who aren’t.
Jason Bay would be an interesting signing. The guy can hit, no doubt. But man, that’s going to be an old and highly paid outfield in 2010-11, and perhaps even further. Torii, Bobby, and Gary will all be on the wrong side of 35, with Bay not far behind. Easily the worst outfield defense in baseball. I would stick with Rivera because his ridiculously team-friendly contract could open up better options in the future. He’s also competent both with the bat and the glove. If Wood comes through, Bay would look like a very expensive luxury.
I’m willing to roll the dice on 2010, but betting on 2014 is too rich for my taste right now. Try to sign Guerrero for cheap, give Wood a shot, let Kendry carry the load, whatever. Bay could be an interesting acquisition, but I’d rather see more exciting outfield prospects in the system than another big contract guy to catch flyballs.
Looks like Juan will be traded if they get Bay,
but that situation woulc be rectified somewhat by having Abreu as DH and spreading Torii, Bay and Rivera across the outfield which would keep it a little younger and slightly better defensively.
I really hope the Halos don't sign Bay for 5 years/90 mill
Bay will get his walks and has good power, but he’s on the wrong side of 30 and as everyone knows his defense is bad. What makes this potential signing even worse is that it may result in the trading of a really cheap and valuable asset in Juan Rivera if rumors are correct.
I really just don’t get why the Angels would want to sign someone like Bay to that contract. It seems it would be more prudent to leave Rivera in LF and maybe go after someone like Mike Cameron who would be cheaper (and without the long-term commitment Bay wants) or just leave Abreu in RF and resign Vladdy for cheap or give Napoli a full time shot at DH.
RIP Nick Adenhart
I like Bay...
I don’t like a HUGE contract. 5 years 90MM is high.
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I've got that bad feeling too
I look at the stats, and they look great, minus the D and K’s. But something is missing somewhere between statistics and reality. The kind of money that he’ll command is “Star” money…and he’s not a star in my mind. Solid player, absolutely, but not a star. Are you going to buy a ticket to see Jason Bay? Did you buy a ticket to see Vladdy in 2004? Vladdy was a star, a freak of nature. Vladdy was and to a point is feared by the opposing team. Teams respect Bay, but…I don’t know. It’s hard to put my finger on it. Maybe I’m way off.
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