Scioscia says Bay is a "Long Shot"
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Jeff Biggs interviewed Angels manager Mike Scioscia during the second hour of "The Drive" on KLAA. He asked Scioscia how he felt about Jason Bay. Scioscia said that signing Bay was a "long shot." Sorry I can't remember the exact words spoken by Mike, but he did say the words "long shot" a couple of times in regards to signing Bay. Scioscia did sound more positive about re-signing John Lackey. Hopefully the KLAA website will have the interview up later this evening.
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Long shot
Were his exact words. I listened to the entire interview driving home. Scioscia’s first reply for a leadoff man was Izturis.
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did he say where izturis would be playing?
Right now he seems to be the odd man out in an infield of wood-aybar-kendrick-morales. He has the most versatility but also the least upside.
by Balls and Strikes on Dec 8, 2009 6:17 PM PST up reply actions
3B.
On the John and Ken interview I listened to during my drive home, he said (essentially) that Izzy is 3B and Woody now has his chance to win that position away from Izzy.
Had I owned the Pittsburgh Pirates, I could have saved America.
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I wonder how many people expected that answer!
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Well, FWIW, the Official Angels' web site shows Wood as #1 on the depth chart.
Sandoval is #2.
Had I owned the Pittsburgh Pirates, I could have saved America.
Fuck....
Scioscia has some serious blind spots in his thinking…
What is so bad about announcing that the teams best prospect in 15 years, a first-round pick, a former best prospect in the minor leagues, a middle infielder that has hit 160 HR’s in the minors and has over 400 extra-base hits over 7 seasons is going to be your starting 3rd baseman in 2010 because he has nothing left to prove in the minors?
I really hope that is just posturing so that B-Wood doesn’t get complacent – because you know – he sure must think they love him in Anaheim with all that playing-time he has been handed in the last three years while he has rotted on the vine in Salt Lake City.
Ugh….
RIP Nick...
Jim Scully
Jim Scully Home
They don't want a repeat of McPhersonmania
If Wood is announced as the heir and tanks, the fan outcry over lost Figgy will cramp Scioscia’s style of giving the new player room to find himself.
Add into this that needing to keep Izturis focused, motivated and Wood hungry as well and you have him creating the context where nothing is guaranteed beyond a chance to compete for ABs.
So he'll rot on the bench for two or three months before Izzy gets injured and Soth is forced to play him?
Yeah, that’ll really help Wood find himself…
RIP Nick Adenhart.
"When the Babe tries to call his shot, I hope Nick puts one in his ear."
--RallyMonkey5
I don't think that's the Soth's approach
I just think he’s keeping Wood focused on coming into Spring Training hungry. If he’s hungry, he’ll be the everyday 3B. If he’s complacent, that spot is as good as Izzy.
RIP Nick Adenhart 4/9/09
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Agreed
It think it also ratchets down fan expectations that Wood will be Mike Schmidt 2.0 in his first season.
"He's not a Rhodes Scholar to begin with''~Theo Epstein, talking about Papelbon
by George Kaplan on Dec 9, 2009 8:39 AM PST up reply actions
He really might be Mike Schmidt in his first season
Check out Schmidt’s stats for his first (almost) full season in the bigs:
.196/.324/.373
18HR 52RBI & 136 SO
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by Angel Hawker on Dec 9, 2009 11:06 AM PST up reply actions
Except for the part where
Mike would never give him that many ab’s to amass those counting stats if he was really struggling that bad. I really think Wood can top that, though. if actually given 500 ab’s.
Anything in the range of .250/.320/.430 with solid D has got to be considered a pretty decent first year for him, right?
I agree with you...
I think Wood will be better than that in his first full season. My point was that Mike Schmidt had struggles too, but look what can happen when you have some patience with a young player.
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by Angel Hawker on Dec 9, 2009 11:33 AM PST up reply actions
I'm aware of Schmidt's rookie season
Like that of Glaus, it is worthwhile to recall that those player we remember so fondly as being beasts at the plate had lessons to learn early in their careers.
My POV was more of Schmidt about 6 years into his career.
"He's not a Rhodes Scholar to begin with''~Theo Epstein, talking about Papelbon
by George Kaplan on Dec 9, 2009 1:18 PM PST up reply actions
I see
unrealistic to think he’ll be THAT kind of Schmidt in his first season.
Of coarse, who thought Kendry would do what he did?
(I know, I know, but BESIDES acuda)
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Sure. As if 4 years of deferred MLB time spent in the minors is not enough to make Wood hungry.
So now a few weeks of ST will do the trick!
“Sosh’s approach” (and I assume that he teams with the front office on this, so it is not all his shoulders alone) is to defer to established players first and foremost, even well beyond the point whereby it is painfully obvious that the established player is detrimental to the productivity of the team on the field.
History has the names of Steve Finley, Shea Hillenbrand, and Jeff Weaver branded on his forehead. And it has not changed. Juan Rivera maintained his spot in LF in the 2009 playoffs despite not even hitting his weight, stranding 16, while accounting for only 3 runs in 9 games.
Write.It.Down:
Sosh will defer to the established player at every opportunity, however unreasonable, and will retain that preference for the established player well beyond what everybody else may find to be reasonable.
Sosh’s hand on Wood is merely being forced. With so many established infielders on the roster capable of playing 3B ahead of him, Wood was destined for AAA until he ran out of options which has now happened. Now, with no Figgy and not even a Quinlan, and with Wood having to clear waivers to get back to AAA (something that would never happen), Wood is on the roster unless he gets traded or cut outright (something else that will hot happen). The only thing left for Wood to be hungry about is to demonstrate to ANY MLB team that he can produce at the top level. His spot is secure now, there is no “when” any longer. It is only a question of “where”.
Had I owned the Pittsburgh Pirates, I could have saved America.
And yet, we have broken in a bunch of young players
Napoli, Mathis, Kotchman, Morales, Kendrick, Aybar, Weaver, Saunders, Santana, and a bunch of bullpen guys. The pace can be frustrating, but the overall picture is one of a team that lets the best youth rise to the top.
Well Clutch, why shouldn't Wood have to earn it?
Izzy has been a solid player for us and B.Wood has proven nothing at the big league level. I don’t think just handing him the job is what’s best for the team. Maybe you think it’s best for B.Wood, but it isn’t what’s best for the team. Remember, baseball is a team sport. It is about winning, not satisfying the fans lust to get a young prospect in the lineup everyday. The player who produces and plays the best should get the AB’s — and that’s as it should be.
Your point makes sense
But I still rather give the younger, cheaper player with more upside a chance than the player that’s going to be a free agent after this season. I realize Izzy is the safe pick and you pretty much know what you are going to get with him. There may be some short term gains by having Izzy get the bulk of the playing time, but playing Wood will help his development which will be best for the team in the long run.
RIP Nick Adenhart
Conversely,
the D-Mac experience may have taken a weakness that Sosh and the entire Angels front-office/management system has had all along, and opened it up wide and raw. They took a major risk, one that probably felt uncomfortable, and it burned them. Was the wrong lesson learned?
Had I owned the Pittsburgh Pirates, I could have saved America.
Possibly?
RIP Nick Adenhart.
"When the Babe tries to call his shot, I hope Nick puts one in his ear."
--RallyMonkey5
Or, rather, "probably"?
RIP Nick Adenhart.
"When the Babe tries to call his shot, I hope Nick puts one in his ear."
--RallyMonkey5
I remember Izturis leading off in '08
and he was solid. In fact, I remember back to back games where he hit leadoff homers against the A’s. Also, last year, Mice Tits had more walks than Aybar in almost 200 less AB’s
Hold your horses there though, Jim. Rumors abound that NINJA is looking to deal an infielder. If that turns out to be the case, then that would open up a spot for Wood at third with Izzy moving to 2b or SS. Same goes if Izzy gets traded…
Do it for Nick '09
by BryanHarvey'sMoustache on Dec 8, 2009 10:50 PM PST up reply actions
The figgy reaction was emotional...
I never expected players to actually pledge allegiance to a team for less money…i just WISH they did.
Do it for Nick '09
by BryanHarvey'sMoustache on Dec 8, 2009 11:03 PM PST up reply actions
i was in agrement with most of what you said
but i thought it was rather poor form that you expressed it in an appreciation thread. But one guy was wanting to wear your wife’s underwear, i didn’t go that far.
No worries...
I’ll be sure to keep the Lackey appreciation thread nice. (oops…)
Do it for Nick '09
by BryanHarvey'sMoustache on Dec 8, 2009 11:07 PM PST up reply actions
I look forward to appreciating his re-signing with the Angels.
Surely that’s what you meant.
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Well this does make sense...
Or if Aybar goes, Wood goes to SS? Who has the better glove at third?
RIP Nick Adenhart.
"When the Babe tries to call his shot, I hope Nick puts one in his ear."
--RallyMonkey5
If all Tony can do this offseason is re-sign Lackey
I’m going to be pissed off.
I miss Hudler already.
by Teixeira Who? on Dec 8, 2009 6:34 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
If that is all he does this offseason
I will be ecstatic
by Rev Halofan on Dec 8, 2009 6:37 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
We need a bat
otherwise we will go right back to being mediocre offensively.
I had too much damn fun watching runs cross the plate to go back to 07’s singles hitting sillyness.
I brought sexy back, but they only gave me store credit....
I am beginning to feel that way as well.
This off season is starting to shape up a lot like last off season.
The 2009 Pregame Picks Winner and Iron Man of Halos Heaven.com
you mean when we signed Abreu to a killer deal...
and he knocked in 100 + RBI’s for us and scored 93 runs while swiping 30 + bags?
Or are you talking about when a certain closer left us for a supposed contender only to implode along with his team 3/4th of the way through the season?
; )
Do it for Nick '09
by BryanHarvey'sMoustache on Dec 8, 2009 10:52 PM PST up reply actions
I mean they will add just enough of what they need to replace what was lost.
Do very well in the regular season, probably win the division but not enough umph to make it over the WS hump. The off season is still young though and I have hope.
The 2009 Pregame Picks Winner and Iron Man of Halos Heaven.com
Maybe it's all just part of negotiating
I couldn’t imagine Scioscia saying, “we’re getting close,” even if they are.
OK, I'm finally over losing Tex. Thanks Kendry.
You know, I would be borderline shocked if we do not sign Bay
every indication is that we are going full force after him.
I dont know, I can see him in red, and not in Boston, next year.
I brought sexy back, but they only gave me store credit....
No Bay please-
bad way to spend our money, rather keep Rivera. Let Seattle have him, he’ll bomb there just like Beltre.
Xavier Calvera
I don't want Bay either
I just have that feeling we will get Bay if we don’t get Halladay. I guess Bay’s counting stats and images of his 2008 playoff performance against the Halos though will make the average fan think this guy is worth every penny despite his horrible defense and age. At the very least it’s a good PR move to get him.
RIP Nick Adenhart
I think at this point if we get Bay
it’s going to be in addition to Lackey or Halladay, or not at all.
Bay and our Manager of the year
I am not so sold on Bay if he signed with the Halos. Not sure what kind of numbers he would put up. Does he remind people of Joe Rudi?
As for as Scoscia, can he just retire? Yea yea yea, manager of the year. Big deal, he over manages, has not managed well in the playoffs for the past couple of years, and covets pitch counts.
Id like to see Rivera traded, been saying this for a while. Puts up numbers when the game is out of hand, Not a clutch hitter, ok had one moment in the playoffs. Hits into a lot of double plays.
by Ca1IFORNIA ANGELS on Dec 8, 2009 8:39 PM PST reply actions
Are you serious?
Scoscia is great, Bay would be a beast, and Rivera plays like hes worth 4 mill a year.
They want power. We want respect...
by SenorChuckles on Dec 8, 2009 9:07 PM PST up reply actions
Could you pretty please stop with the Scioscia hate?
Yes he has some flaws, as everyone on this green Earth, especially in baseball, does, but come on man, your pathological hatred for the Soth got pretty damn old after the first 20 posts about it.
RIP Nick Adenhart.
"When the Babe tries to call his shot, I hope Nick puts one in his ear."
--RallyMonkey5
Especially
the whole thing about wanting pitchers to burn out their arms by throwing 200 pitches/game.
Who picked Ca1IFORNIA ANGELS and Scioscia
in the “who is the next R.Munkee?” poll? They’re a winner.
"He's not a Rhodes Scholar to begin with''~Theo Epstein, talking about Papelbon
by George Kaplan on Dec 9, 2009 5:54 AM PST up reply actions
Scoscia is not great
He over manages. For those how has played, playing every day is important to a lot of players.
Platoon systems do not work most of the time for so many reasons. Second base as an example
A player who plays every day at second, is less likely in a play off game vs the Yanks to not make an error and play solid. The second baseman needs repetition, rhythm. The same at the plateThe Howie and Maicer platoon backfired in playoffs, I believe with some key errors. Sitting on the bench one game then the next night your playing, is tough.
For me, my best year was the year I had a manager who played me everyday and BELIEVED IN ME> This is huge.. I led off or hit second. I had a great year at the plate, because I had 4 AB a game, if I struggled one game, I would bounce back and be solid the next. Same as in the field, I was solid, playing everyday. Never sat out one inning the whole year, and had great numbers at the end.
The following year, I had a manager, who wanted to platoon. I had my worst year at the plate and in the field. AT the end of the season, I ended up playing 2 games and sitting one out, playing 2 and sitting one out. I ht the ball well at the end of the year, but had an up and down season in the field and at the plate.
This is why, I think a platoon does not work. I also give credit to pinch hitters, that is a job I could never do. Very tough.
by Ca1IFORNIA ANGELS on Dec 8, 2009 9:26 PM PST reply actions
I'd like to petition for you as our manager instead of Scioscia
You obviously have a really good feel for the game.
And great communication skills.
thanks Pit
I take that not as a compliment, but I never asked to Manage the Angels, even though I always wanted to be a manger in the minors or the majors, but never happened. :(
by Ca1IFORNIA ANGELS on Dec 8, 2009 9:37 PM PST up reply actions
Fair enough.
but you hear it everywhere that Scoscia is a great manager and best in the league. I think the FO knows a little something about baseball and understand how Scoscia is key to the angels success. But I do believe that managing a baseball team is not as important as coaching in the NBA, NHL, or NFL. And as for Bay, well he was a beast in Pit and in Bos. So this had lead me to believe that he has proven he can hit anywhere he goes including Anaheim.
They want power. We want respect...
by SenorChuckles on Dec 8, 2009 9:36 PM PST up reply actions
reply to senor
Mike is a good manager, But, he is not great. Plain and simple. I will say Gene Mauch was the best we ever had, and I will say Mike is second. On the other hand, Buck Rodgers was not very god in my opinion. Terry Collins, I liked, but players tuned Terry or Larry Bowa out at the end.
by Ca1IFORNIA ANGELS on Dec 8, 2009 9:41 PM PST up reply actions
So who is the best manager right now?
I like how Francona handles his shit and Id like him even more if he wasn’t a red sox manager.
They want power. We want respect...
by SenorChuckles on Dec 8, 2009 9:43 PM PST up reply actions
I agree
I hate too say this, but Terry Francona is pretty darn good. Bobby Cox has been good too for a very long time. I actually like Girardi, even though he made some errors with his pitching staff in the Angel series. But, I think he had the same line up every game, until Carbera was hurt in center field.
I just am not into the platoon system. By the way, a lot of managers manage by the book. Fans can manage by the book. The best managers are the ones who can manage a clubhouse and manage the game at times by feel and not by the book.
by Ca1IFORNIA ANGELS on Dec 8, 2009 9:51 PM PST up reply actions
You once said that we are shaping up to be the Braves of the 90's.
Yet he’s better than Sosh. Gene Mauch also micro managed us into oblivion in 1986, a problem you have with Sosh. Joe Girardi nearly over managed the Yanks out of the ALCS, yet you like him.
You’re just railing against Sosh, again. Why? I don’t know? maybe he kicked your dog or something. But here’s an idea, read this and this. Then consider that Sosh is the WINNINGEST MANAGER IN ANGEL HISTORY! And not just "wins because he’s been here for 10 years, but also the best winning percentage in Angels history. And stop complaining. Hell, we could always give the job back to Doug Radar or Marcel Lachemann.
Nick would be proud.
by halofan4life on Dec 8, 2009 11:07 PM PST up reply actions
response
Halofan if you read my reply, my biggest problem is he likes to platoon and the way he has dealt with our top starting pitchers Weaver, and Lackey, saw it two years ago with Lackey and Saunders. Too hung up on pitch counts and shows no confidence in his top starters. I understand not over working them in the season every week. But, it doesnt hurt, when your pitcher is in control of a game to allow him to go above his pitch count, especially in the play offs. So no he did not kick my dog. We always have better owner ship, players and hate to say, had a good GM with Bill Stoneman.
Can we talk about Lackey with a 4-1 lead and not allowing him to finish off the 7th inning?
I said in the playoffs
by Ca1IFORNIA ANGELS on Dec 10, 2009 12:31 AM PST up reply actions
Sosh got ripped apart by Angel fans everywhere for not letting Lack finish the 7th.
Platooning was primarily done at 2b last year with Izzy and Kendrick. Izzy (hamstrings; 2007, 2008), Kendrick (hamstrings; 2008 twice) have both been rather injury plagued while up in the MLB. He erred on the side of caution to keep them both healthy all year. Also, pulling a pitcher in the 6th or 7th (even if they are in control) is not such a bad thing. You have to trust your pen and guys like Lackey and Santana routinely have bad starts after being allowed to go well past their presumed pitch count.
Nick would be proud.
by halofan4life on Dec 10, 2009 11:06 PM PST up reply actions
I trust the guys on the field
After a bazillion years of working with Lackey, Butcher and Scioscia know all the telltale signs that a pitcher like Lackey is beginning to labor. While it might seem rosy to those of us watching from the stands or the Barcalounger, it is the coaching staff which has the job of watching the players and evaluating their effectiveness.
In that 7th inning, Lackey got a flyball out to CF, then gave up a double, followed by two walks before getting a second flyball out. In the course of that 7th inning, he threw 19 pitches alone, raising his total for the game to 104; he had given up a double and a walk in the 6th before escaping with no runs scored, so there was a clear indication he wasn’t dominating as he had been in the early innings.
In this case, Butcher and Scioscia made the decision that Lackey was beginning to falter, and it was a choice to remove him before he slipped further and the Yankees smelled blood and began to get back into the game. By bringing in Oliver, it turned Teixeira around and forced him to bat from his weaker side. In a perfect world, that is the right call to make, especially with how well Oliver had been pitching prior to that game.
I don’t think anyone who has watched Lackey objectively over the past several seasons and who knew the Oliver-Teixeira matchup was available objects to that call. Lackey did, and that is understandable, but Scioscia’s decision was sound in the context of that game. Scioscia was going for a win, not trying to win Lackey’s love at that moment.
Or has everyone forgotten Pedro and Grady Little?
"He's not a Rhodes Scholar to begin with''~Theo Epstein, talking about Papelbon
by George Kaplan on Dec 12, 2009 2:54 PM PST up reply actions
It's funny
I’ve used a fairly similar argument with my friends, and it only falls on deaf ears. It’s too easy to be the armchair quarterback with 50/50 hindsight. I’ve never really understood why it’s so difficult for many people to evaluate a decision in the time the decision was made, as opposed to letting the knowledge of the future letting them impact their judgement of this past event. I was a history major, so ran into this kind of thing all the time: People projecting their current values, morals, and knowledge of the outcome onto past events and decisions. It’s not how it works, but yeah.
OH CHRIST HERE WE GO AGAIN WITH Ca1FORNIA ANGELS
at least you didnt write an obnoxious blog post this time!
Do it for Nick '09
by BryanHarvey'sMoustache on Dec 8, 2009 10:54 PM PST up reply actions
Scoscia
Ok, if he would stop with the darn platoon crap at second, and handled our starters a little better, id like him a lot more. Our pen was not as strong as the year before. I just think, there has been games where he pulls the plug on our starters too early. This is when our starters have a lead, have good command, and control and then the pen blows it.
I posted this last night, he is a good manager, just not great.
by Ca1IFORNIA ANGELS on Dec 10, 2009 12:40 AM PST up reply actions
dude...try spelling "Scioscia" first before writing....
then maybe, i’ll listen to you.
Do it for Nick '09
by BryanHarvey'sMoustache on Dec 10, 2009 11:43 AM PST up reply actions
can i say your an a@@ a lot or are you just angry with life? What a tool. BryanHarvey’sMoustache
by Ca1IFORNIA ANGELS on Dec 10, 2009 11:53 AM PST up reply actions
Let's see...
- You can’t spell “Scioscia”.
- You can’t spell “Aybar”
- You’ve made it clear that all of baseball was wrong in awarding Scioscia MotY.
Who’s an @ss, again?
Angels baseball. We do what we must, because we can -- HaloDutch
"can i say your an a@@ "
Yes, please do. I am studying the internet habits of the subliterate and you’re helping me greatly.
"He's not a Rhodes Scholar to begin with''~Theo Epstein, talking about Papelbon
by George Kaplan on Dec 10, 2009 1:00 PM PST up reply actions
If it did, it would be called the Grammarnet.
I love this team.
by Downing Rules on Dec 10, 2009 1:22 PM PST up reply actions
right, i just can stand this dude's post...
so i harp on everything…i’ll mellow out. sorry y’all
Do it for Nick '09
by BryanHarvey'sMoustache on Dec 10, 2009 2:28 PM PST up reply actions
Ordinarily, yes
grammar has no place here.
However, if one decides to bag on someone else and call him “a tool”, then it is their obligation to come correct or have their flaws exposed. Can’t have it both ways.
"He's not a Rhodes Scholar to begin with''~Theo Epstein, talking about Papelbon
by George Kaplan on Dec 10, 2009 2:37 PM PST up reply actions
yes Im an ASS.
a big fucking asshole and your post bring out the best in me.
Do it for Nick '09
by BryanHarvey'sMoustache on Dec 10, 2009 9:33 PM PST up reply actions
The platoon vs consistent playing time is a good argument...
I think you have something here that I agree with.
I love this team.
by Downing Rules on Dec 9, 2009 1:27 PM PST up reply actions
yeah, if there was anything i dislike sosh about
it’s the whole platoon/play-certain-players-against-right-or-left-handed-pitchers thing. i didn’t like it when he took k-mo out for quinlan against left handers last season and i didn’t like it when he took out kotchman out for quinlan a couple seasons ago. i don’t understand how switching for quinlan is an upgrade.
but i wouldn’t fire sosh over this stuff.
"come on, eileen."
Q used to hit lefties quite well. The problem is that Sosh couldn't tell when he no longer could.
And thinking about it, can anyone remember Sosh platooning veterans? I seem to recall him letting GA still bat against lefties even though it was clear he could no longer hit against them. Maybe the platoon is his philosophy on how to break in the youngins.
added on Scoscia
I am so sick of his pitch counts, especially in the playoffs. Pitch Counts go out the door in the playoffs for Lackey and Weaver when they are in command of a game and are winning. For those who will rip me, great, but if you played the game at a high level.
There is nothing better then having a manager believe in you, that is when you play at your best, in the field and at the plate.
Last thing, give Wood 200 AB, play him every day and see where the chips fall. We could use power at 3b. If this does not work out, then we know. But, if he is going to platoon with Wood or have Wood play two days a week, Wood will be a disaster.
Every one loves MS, but, maybe if we had another manager, he would give Wood this chance. Sometimes change is for the best. Pat Riley had a great run with the Lakers, but the players had tuned him out. This is why you do not see managers and Head Coaches coach a team for more then 10 years, players tune the manager out, the manager is stubborn. For example is MS< he is set in his ways and will not change.
by Ca1IFORNIA ANGELS on Dec 8, 2009 9:36 PM PST reply actions
Yeah F that guy
he will NEVER win manager of the year at this rate!
I brought sexy back, but they only gave me store credit....
Hey I have an idea
Let’s bring back Terry Collins. Or maybe Cookie Rojas! Hey, how about John Wathan? I know they’d all probably give Wood a shot, and I’ve been DYING to see the Angels playing .438 ball again! That over .600 ball sure gets old after a while.
RIP Nick Adenhart.
"When the Babe tries to call his shot, I hope Nick puts one in his ear."
--RallyMonkey5
Yes!
RIP Nick Adenhart.
"When the Babe tries to call his shot, I hope Nick puts one in his ear."
--RallyMonkey5
I liked Moose
He used to referee WAC basketball games in the off-season and when he made a call that the home team didn’t like, the Mooooooose rained down
I must not fear. Fear is the mind-killer.
Terry Collins
Only if he brings back the Lachmen Bros.
RIP Nick Adenhart 4/9/09
I blog about the Angels at The Diamond Aces
Heh.
I only vaguely remember this, but yes!
RIP Nick Adenhart.
"When the Babe tries to call his shot, I hope Nick puts one in his ear."
--RallyMonkey5
I just remember Jim Rome making fun of them.
MaaaaaaaSell… lets go bake some baguettes.
Ok RaaaaaaNeeeeeeee
RIP Nick Adenhart 4/9/09
I blog about the Angels at The Diamond Aces
Oh, and ironically how about me?
.438 is roughly what I managed to have the Angels play when I did a MLB Front Office Manager season…
RIP Nick Adenhart.
"When the Babe tries to call his shot, I hope Nick puts one in his ear."
--RallyMonkey5
i actually like the whole drafting
trading stuff when i play mlb2kwhatever and stuff so i liked the idea of the game but i read reviews that the game blows. how is it?
"come on, eileen."
He was selling Izzy....
In my humble opinion, Mike was selling Izzy and Napoli as top caliber “starters”. I’m sure that’s the way they are being discussed with other teams; not as a utility infielder and a back up catcher. Makes them more valuable than what they really may be….especially when one team north of the border seem to want a legit catcher and middle infielder along with prospects.
Doubt it will go down, but you got to love the salesmanship.
love the screename...
Do it for Nick '09
by BryanHarvey'sMoustache on Dec 8, 2009 10:55 PM PST up reply actions
need Maicer
Trading Sean Rodriquez for Kazmir :( will hurt our depth in the middle infield if Howie or Ayber is hurt. Have to keep Maicer.
by Ca1IFORNIA ANGELS on Dec 8, 2009 9:53 PM PST reply actions
you might be wrong...
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2009/12/angels-exploring-infielder-trade.html
They want power. We want respect...
by SenorChuckles on Dec 8, 2009 9:56 PM PST up reply actions
see, this is what upsets me. If Maicer has one year left, then I have no problem moving him. But, why in the world did we move Sean Rodriguez when the GM new signing figgins would be tough and now we may move a middle infielder ( Howie, Ayber, Maicer)?
Not a big deal to move any of those names if we kept Sean R.
by Ca1IFORNIA ANGELS on Dec 8, 2009 10:02 PM PST up reply actions
Kazmir is no chump.
the deal made sense and we have youth coming up that happends to play 2b/SS. They wont be here in 2010 but they will come soon. Trading Izzy would no longer burden us with the HK/Izzy platoon, 2B is HK job to lose.
They want power. We want respect...
by SenorChuckles on Dec 8, 2009 10:07 PM PST up reply actions
Izturis+Napoli+Prospect=....
Roy Halladay. Calling it right now.
by lightupthehalo29 on Dec 8, 2009 9:58 PM PST reply actions
Not necessarily
Before talks were of a Saunders+Napoli+ hitting prospect. Now if we send Izturis, it’s likely a pitching prospect to fill Saunders’ void
by lightupthehalo29 on Dec 8, 2009 10:02 PM PST up reply actions
Izzy wont be their savior they still need an arm asap.
and a steady one so thats why the jays asking for Saundo makes sense.
They want power. We want respect...
by SenorChuckles on Dec 8, 2009 10:08 PM PST up reply actions
I agree with Rev, we will lose Saunders or Santana, for Roy. Im ok with it, just sign Roy to a long term deal. Im sure, Toronto would want Saunders. They would want a pitcher.
If we had Halladay 1. Lackey 2. Rev you may never hear a negative comment from me again! well cant make a promise
by Ca1IFORNIA ANGELS on Dec 8, 2009 10:05 PM PST up reply actions
You keep mentioning Saunders...
is that because you dont think they would take Ervin or because you think Ervin is better? Honestly asking, no sarcasm.
Do it for Nick '09
by BryanHarvey'sMoustache on Dec 8, 2009 10:56 PM PST up reply actions
Saunders has a lower ceiling
and his win total has been a product of the offense and not of pitching ability the last two years.
Santana, when healthy, can dominate.
I brought sexy back, but they only gave me store credit....
by PhiSlamma on Dec 8, 2009 10:57 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I dunno man...i feel like Im bi-polar when watching him pitch....
one game its a CGSO…next game hes out by the 4th inning with 7 runs on the opposing teams board.
Do it for Nick '09
by BryanHarvey'sMoustache on Dec 8, 2009 10:58 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Saunders is a matter of economics
He is under club control longer, therefore cheaper.
He is a lefty with a proven record, a harder commodity to replicate.
And his agent is not Scott Boras.
Then wouldn't we want to keep him?
I don’t see the Angels sending more than 3 pieces.
It might be 3 major leaguers though. Ervin,Napoli,Izturis. That’s a steep price though.
Would the Jays take Budde?
by lightupthehalo29 on Dec 8, 2009 11:09 PM PST up reply actions
Not really
Both players are under team control for the same length of time (they both hit FA status prior to 2013 season).
The diff is that Saunders might be signed to a deal past 2013, while we know already Weaver will not.
"He's not a Rhodes Scholar to begin with''~Theo Epstein, talking about Papelbon
by George Kaplan on Dec 9, 2009 6:31 AM PST up reply actions
The thing people forget about Saunders is that he was a real stopper for us.
The have numerous times when we have lost the first two games of the series and desperately needed a pitcher to pitch 7-8 strong innings and Saundo was usually the guy to do it. The Wednesday afternoon game at the Big A in late August when we needed to avoid being swept — Saundo pitched a great game against a very good team. We won and avoided the sweep. He’s done that on numerous occasions. Guys like Saundo tend to be diminished or overlooked because they are not “power arms”. He really possesses alot of the tools of a guy like Greg Maddux — very smart, knows how to pitch backwards, good control, changes speeds very well etc..He has never been intimidated by pitching in tough environments and has a good mental makeup.
I would hate to lose Saunders and then see him win 50+ games over the next three years with someone else. All that being said, if it means we get Halladay I would do it. I just wouldn’t package a group of three established guys like Napoli, Saunders and Izturis etc. One of those guys would have to be a prospect. I would also like to keep BOTH Napoli and Mathis. I actually LIKED our catching platoon. And our depth was one of our strengths last year. Let’s not destroy that strength in one fell swoop.
Good thing Saundo won that game to avoid the sweep, otherwise we would have only won the division by 9 games.
And I don’t know about that Greg Maddux comparison. Saunders has only had a WHIP under 1.40 once. Maddux never had one that high after his first full year in the majors. If he has Maddux’s tools, he should borrow the owner’s manuals for them so he can learn how use them correctly.
This is not to say that I dislike Saunders. He’s a great guy to be your #4 or #5 starter, but let’s not make him out to be something he’s not.
by snowhor on Dec 9, 2009 4:20 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Well snowhor, that Win vs Detroit was BIG
I happen to believe that not all wins are created equal, but more importantly not all loses are created equal. Would you rather lose a game 5-2 in which the opposing starter simply outpitches your starter or lose a game 9-8 in which your bullpen gives up 5 runs in the bottom of the 9th, blowing an 8-4 lead with two outs? If you don’t think the prior option is preferable you’re crazy. Certain loses are demoralizing to teams and tend to linger and effect morale. The bullpen blowing leads late are that type of lose, as is the final game of a sweep when you’re the team being swept. Losing the final game of a series when you have already won the first two and clinched a series win is simply not the same as losing the third straight game to a team, especially when that sweep comes at home. So, being a stopper is an important attribute for a pitcher to have.
As for my other points about Saunders. Just to be clear: I was not seeing he is Maddux or will have a comparable career. I simply said he possesses some of the same tools that Maddux has — and I stand by that statement. In fact despite an ERA that is higher than you might want Saunders is 33-14 the last two years. This last season he wasn’t healthy much of the time and was pitching with a dead arm when he should have been on the DL. Thus the inflated ERA. I think his 3.41 ERA in 2008 is more indicative of who he is. In any case, I’d take 33-14 over two years from my number 3 or even my number 2 starter, let alone my number 4.
I like both pitchers, Saunders has had a more solid career then Santana, and Saunders is a lefty. But, just my guess, who knows maybe they prefer Santana.
by Ca1IFORNIA ANGELS on Dec 10, 2009 12:17 AM PST up reply actions
because Scott Boras wrote this post.
only because he wants the angels to be players for Holliday ;)
They want power. We want respect...
by SenorChuckles on Dec 8, 2009 10:10 PM PST up reply actions
because
under Bill Stoneman you would never get such candor – and this shows how the Angels are learning to use their own media to get out the message.
We won't know he was candid until the future.
It could have been a huge smokescreen, with the signing of Bay to take place tomorrow.
I've got nothing.
I think you have to learn to read between the lines with Scioscia.
If you listen to what he has to say, then think about it, he hints at where the team is and where it is going without ever giving away what is up their sleeves. It all makes more sense when you find out later what moves they actually make.
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Yeah, I thought this was a pretty insanely in-depth interview
For Scioscia.
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reports are that the offer is
saunders + aybar + minor leaguer borjos however you spell it for halladay
In Kobe we trust!
If money weren't an object at all
It would be cool to have both Halladay and Holliday on the same team just to confuse visiting announcers if nothing else.
RIP Nick Adenhart

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