Wednesday Winter Meeting Thread
by WiHaloFan on Dec 9, 2009 4:44 AM PST
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PrintI'll be sitting here in front of my computer all day updating this thread with any relevant news from the winter meetings. We had over a foot of snow over-night here in western Wisconsin, so I ain't goin' anywhere. Please feel free to continue to create Fanshots of any specific deals or rumors, but this thread will be a "clearinghouse" for Twitter feeds, MLB Trade Rumor posts, ESPN Rumor Central notes, and various other winter meeting stuff.
(All times are pacific)
8:45pm
ESPN's Jason Stark has this posted as part of a Roy Halladay trade article:
The Toronto Sun reported Wednesday that the Angels offered Saunders, Aybar and outfield prospect Peter Bourjos for Halladay during these meetings. All three were believed to be on the Blue Jays' wish list last July, by the way. So the makings for a deal are there. But the Angels also have said that if Halladay won't sign an extension, they're probably not making this trade. So even if all the other pieces fit together, the extension piece might not.
8:38pm
AOL's Ed Price tweeted, "#BlueJays prefer minor-league prospects for Roy Halladay, rather than big-league players". Not really sure where he gets that information, but if that's the case, the Angels might not be able to pull off a deal for Halladay.
7:52pm
"Ton of teams on Kelvim Escobar. Shoulder in good shape, may pitch game or two in winter ball", says Ken Rosenthal (via Twitter)
7:16pm
MLB.com's Jordon Bastian tweets, "Since Halladay is eligible for FA next winter, a Major League source said he might waive his no-trade to OK a deal to the Angels for 2010." Sounds like Halladay is looking forward to free agency (or it's a ploy to negotiate for a larger extension from the Angels).
6:54pm
"Rangers, as has been reported, are indeed looking at Lowell as right-handed DH, backup 1B.....But Boston would have to eat a ton of dough.", tweets Gordon Edes.
5:08pm
According to the Toronto Sun, the Angels have made an offer for Roy Halladay:
The Angels took the lead amongst interested teams in the hunt for Halladay by offering:
- Lefty Joe Saunders, 28, who was 16-7 with a 4.60 earned run average in 31 starts. Saunders, available for trade since the Angels acquired lefty Scott Kazmir, walked 64 and struck out 101 in 186 innings. Saunders earned $475,000 this season and is eligible for salary arbitration.
- Shortstop Erick Aybar, 26 next month. He hit .312 with five homers and 58 RBIs in 137 games with the Angels. He stole 14 bases with a .353 on-base percentage. Aybar earned $473,000 and is eligible for salary arbitration.
- Speedy centre fielder Peter Bourjos, 23 in March, had six homers and 51 RBIs in 110 games at Double-A Arkansas. Bourjos, the son of former Jays scout Chris Bourjos, who helped sign Halladay, hit 16 doubles, 14 triples and was 32-for-44 stealing bases.
Both Saunders and Aybar would be under the Jays’ control for three years before they hit free agency.
4:16pm
In a new article from Lyle Spencer of MLB.com about the Angels and Jason Bay, "I have not reached out personally to him, but he has been in internal discussions that we've had as an organization," Scioscia said. "I think there are some more pressing needs that we have right now than the talent that Jason can bring. He's an extraordinary talent, but we definitely have to look for some balance in some areas. That might not make Jason a great fit for our club."
Bay -- who delivered 36 homers and 119 RBIs for the Red Sox this season and is a .341 career postseason hitter with a .634 slugging percentage in 11 games -- would command a major financial commitment that the Angels seem more inclined to make in the pitching department.
"He is an option," Angels general manager Tony Reagins said of Bay, who reportedly turned down a four-year, $60 million Boston offer. "I think Mike was right on"
4:10pm
Ken Davidoff of Newsday says via twitter, "Yankees met with John Lackey's agent, but doesn't appear they'll be a bona fide suitor."
3:52pm
Astros aquire Matt Lindstrom, "The Astros have reached a deal to acquire Matt Lindstrom from the Marlins. He is flying to Houston for a physical, sources told ESPN's Peter Gammons. The deal, pending physicals, will send Lindstrom to the Houston in exchange for two minor leaguers and the Astros' first pick in Thursday's Rule 5 draft, sources told ESPN.com's Jayson Stark. (LINK)
3:26pm
Mike Scioscia to be on MLB Network's Hot Stove show in a few minutes.
2:10pm
ESPN's Buster Olney is saying: Sources say that Rich Harden is on the verge of an agreement. It was not immediately known which team signed him, but he has been heavily involved in negotiations with the Mariners.
UPDATE: Rich Harden to Texas. One year, $7.5 million with an $11.5 million option. (Craig Calcaterra via Twitter)
UPDATE II: Matthew from Lookout Landing has an interesting article comparing Rich Harden and John Lackey (LINK)
And my internet is kinda working...for now.
12:06pm
Looks like Texas has found a trading partner in Baltimore, "The Orioles have a tentative agreement in place on a trade that would send reliever Chris Ray to the Texas Rangers for veteran starter Kevin Millwood and some cash, according to multiple team sources." (Baltimore Sun)
Also, LaTroy Hawkins signs 2-year deal with Brewers for $7.5 mil pending physical (his agent's twitter)
I have a crappy internet connection, probably because of all the snow. Frustrating!
11:16am
Ken Rosenthal: "Angels, O's no longer pursuing R. Soriano. Astros and others still in."
11:04am
"Rich Harden willing to sign a one-year deal with a lot of incentives", tweets FoxSports' Jon Morosi. UPDATE: The Angels are not involved, the source indicated.
10:57am
Twitter went dead for a while and then this from Big League Stew, "If you're wondering why there's been no news lately, it might be because all the writers just had their annual lunch with all the managers." Oh, and it finally stopped snowing in Wisconsin (15"+).
10:04am
Here's a scenario...Brandon Wood gets traded to Toronto in a deal for Halladay, ESPN's Jason Stark tweets "Red Sox have 2 or 3 teams they could trade Mike Lowell to right now if they take 'similar' contract back." Would Boston take a CF whose name rhymes with "smamatthews"? Thoughts?
09:42am
Say what?? Is this legitimate? "The markets for free agents Marlon Byrd and Mike Cameron continue running parallel to one another. One major league source pointed out Wednesday morning that many of the same teams are interested in both players: The Braves, Angels, Cubs, Yankees, Mariners, Mets and Giants have checked on each of them." (FoxSports)
09:34am
Gary Sheffield says "Hey!" (Boston.com)
09:26am
Yahoo!'s Tim Brown (via Twitter): Early interest for Pineiro: Yanks, Mets, Nats, Cubs, O's, Angels (depending on which way Lackey goes)...
06:38am
Ken Rosenthal via Twitter, "Add Angels to list of teams on R. Soriano. Astros, Orioles also involved. Soriano's permission required - could effectively pick team."
06:21am
The New York Mets think they can land John Lackey (New York Daily News).
06:04am
Baseballprojection.com has a good list of free agents, updated with each signing. Here's the link.
05:23am
Red Sox interested in Darren Oliver (ESPN).
04:53am
Toronto GM Alex Anthopoulos is "engaging in three- and four-team discussions, apparently trying to collect as many assets as he can for Halladay." (FoxSports.com). The LA Times speculate shortstop Erick Aybar may be included in a deal for Halladay. (LA TIMES)
04:47am
Cubs are working on a deal to send Milton Bradley to an A.L. "mystery team" (MLBTR). Could the Angels be that mystery team? Is Matthews Jr moving to Chicago?
04:35am
Here's a short video of what the winter meeting look like: MLB.com
Is Texas willing to deal their two top prospects for pitching? ESPN RC has this story:
ESPNDallas.com's Richard Durrett reported Tuesday night that the Texas Rangers have offered top prospects Justin Smoak and Neftali Feliz to Florida for right-hander Josh Johnson.
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The Rangers have denied that deal, fwiw.
"I was going to say, 'You’re gay for Elvis.' But then I realized that I, too, am gay for Elvis." ~Adam J. Morris.
If its legit and I'm the Marlins
I would take the offer before the Rangers sobered up.
"He's not a Rhodes Scholar to begin with''~Theo Epstein, talking about Papelbon
by George Kaplan on Dec 9, 2009 5:47 AM PST up reply actions
But seem to be owning up to a free agent deal with Rich Harden.
That’s the route I was hoping the Angels would take. One year of Harden at 7-8M is a more than acceptable bet.
If the Angels can’t re-sign Lackey, they’re going to be surrounded with a lot of good pitching in the division, if their rivals can stay healthy.
If there is a God...
…this “mystery team” is not the Angels. Bradley’s a good player, but come on…the guy’s a trainwreck, and not the “low self-esteem girl out at the bars because she just lost her job and needs to get drunk and have a little fun with the first guy that shows up and doesn’t give a crap if you never call her again afterward” kind of trainwreck.
No one, and I mean, no one comes into our house and pushes us around.
I like this...
Sorry, link didn't work.
http://www.denverpost.com/rockies/ci_13956738?source=rss
No matter what happens from here on, it has been a great season.
by Rally Manatee on Dec 9, 2009 7:39 AM PST up reply actions
Acording to MLB Trade Rumors
Andy Pettitte just re-upped with the Yanks.
Lackey’s price tag has got to come down now, right?
RIP Nick Adenhart 4/9/09
I blog about the Angels at The Diamond Aces
Without insane Yankee dough
There is no way anyone offers him AJ Burnett money. Perhaps now he’ll except something like 4/65. That breaks down to like $16.25 MM.
RIP Nick Adenhart 4/9/09
I blog about the Angels at The Diamond Aces
If that happens, he'll really regret turning down that 4/72 offer from the Halos.
Angels baseball. We do what we must, because we can -- HaloDutch
I forgot about that.
I’m sure he’ll land at least the 4/72.
RIP Nick Adenhart 4/9/09
I blog about the Angels at The Diamond Aces
Maybe
Lackey’s a lot younger, and Pettite wasn’t going anywhere else but the Yankees. Hopefully it means the Yankees now aren’t going after Lackey.
RIP Nick Adenhart.
"When the Babe tries to call his shot, I hope Nick puts one in his ear."
--RallyMonkey5
I would love to believe this but
the Yankees signing Petite is not an addition to their rotation. They still need depth imo. I hope your right but I fear that they will still pursue him if they can’t land Haladay. They certainly have the money for it.
Word in NY is that the Spankees are still after Doc
throwing Joba and Highes at him
I must not fear. Fear is the mind-killer.
Yeah I saw the same report
Lackey’s price has to drop now. The Yankees are the only team that has the money and consistently signs people to absurd deals like that. He’ll be comin’ back to Earth real soon.
"Well make more fuckin' money. This is America. You don't make money, then you're a fuckin' douchebag." - Mr French "The Departed"
"You gotta have nuts." - Torii Hunter
Two things.
- Bradley. F—- NO!!!!
- Cousin Oliver to the Sux. I hope not. I really really hope not.
Angels baseball. We do what we must, because we can -- HaloDutch
Soriano...? I can't remember why we'd be interested in him.
He’s 33, he batted .248, led all major league left fielders in errors, with 11, and the lowest fielding percentage among them.
Do 20 homeruns compensate for that? (Not sure, maybe they compensate for the BA.)
THIS… IS… ANAHEIM!!
I still wouldn't give up Aybar for Halladay. Or Saunders or Weaver.
Santana and Kendrick would be ok.
I am fan various years ago.
You have that add backwards...
I’d happily give up Saunders and Aubar for Halladay but wouldn’t part with Kendrick or Santana.
RIP Nick...
Jim Scully
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by jimmuscomp on Dec 9, 2009 9:13 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
Ass Backwards and Aybar.
Damn iPhone typing!
RIP Nick...
Jim Scully
Jim Scully Home
by jimmuscomp on Dec 9, 2009 9:14 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
I wouldnt mind Wood and Izzy at 3B and SS
but I would miss Aybar’s glove :(
They want power. We want respect...
by SenorChuckles on Dec 9, 2009 10:20 AM PST up reply actions
I would do it in a heartbeat
Here is where we really can afford to lose those pieces and certainly improve.
Izzy can replace Aybar and vice versa. And giving up Saunders or Weaver for a Cy Young winner is ok in my book any day…
If we can get this done and add another bat then we can start talking WS once again.
3 yrs of Aybar and Weaver/Saunders for 1 yr of Halladay?
nah. Only if he signs an extension and I don’t think that’ll happen.
I am fan various years ago.
by Fred Fredrix on Dec 9, 2009 12:53 PM PST up reply actions
Everything I hear contradicts that.
But I could be wrong.
RIP Nick Adenhart 4/9/09
I blog about the Angels at The Diamond Aces
i think that is what the Angels have stated
they will only deal for Halladay if he agrees to a long term deal. i also wouldn’t be ok with the trade for just a year.
Ditto
I’m sure the Angels are smart enough that if they were willing to part with Saunders/Aybar/Bourjos it would be only if they got Roy to sign a long term deal.
Otherwise they would have to be completely INSANE to give up that kind of talent for a potential one-year rental.
by Hoppity Hooper on Dec 9, 2009 6:21 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Please Gawd, let that A.L. "mystery team" that wants Bradley...
…be the Roid Sox!
"Don't worry about a thing,
'Cause every little thing gonna be all right!"
I was kind of hoping for New York.
I envision an implosion of epic proportions.
RIP Nick Adenhart 4/9/09
I blog about the Angels at The Diamond Aces
Seattle would be nice. A sign that they have started to overreach.
Had I owned the Pittsburgh Pirates, I could have saved America.
FoxSports Radio just said
Angels may include Aybar in a trade for Halladay.
Do you move Brandon to SS? Or let Izzy try it out?
RIP Nick Adenhart 4/9/09
I blog about the Angels at The Diamond Aces
Izzy SS and Wood 3B
Izzy leads off, Wood hits 7th or 8th and and we all pray for a Morales 2.0
I brought sexy back, but they only gave me store credit....
It would make sense no?
Aybar’s stock is high, Izzy has shown he can bat leadoff. But who would be our 2B/SS/3B backups Sandoval and Brown? rghan help me out! We have kids that can come in and play good D if HK, Izzy, or Wood get hurt right? I wouldn’t be asking for these kids to hit .300 or anything, they just need to bring their glove.
They want power. We want respect...
by SenorChuckles on Dec 9, 2009 10:24 AM PST up reply actions
it's a good deal.
Izzy can and has played ss well for us. And agreed we gotta pray for Morales 2.0. We already saw flashes of it when he has been given some at bats. I would love to see what a full season can bring.
^^^ Morales 2.0
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"Well make more fuckin' money. This is America. You don't make money, then you're a fuckin' douchebag." - Mr French "The Departed"
"You gotta have nuts." - Torii Hunter
by Commander_Nate on Dec 9, 2009 10:06 AM PST reply actions 2 recs
Cameron
I’ve thought about him before filling in one of our corner spots. His bat isn’t great, but he hits enough that his amazing glove is worth it. He’s already indicated that he’d move to a corner for a contending team. An outfield of Cameron, Hunter, and Rivera (Abreu would DH, obviously) would not let many balls fall in.
My only issues are his age (Steve Finley 2.0??) and the fact that it would make the line up awfully right-handed. All in all I think he’d be worth looking at for a cheap 1 or 2 year deal.
Marlon Byrd? Um, do we remember the last time a journeyman Texas centerfielder had a career year? NO THANKS.
Cameron is GMJ all over again
no thanks.
I brought sexy back, but they only gave me store credit....
How so?
Not saying we should go all-in for him, but he’s been an elite defender his whole career, has consistently hit for power, and has improved his plate discipline in his later years. Other than connections to some stimulants, how are they at all alike?
...which reminds me that we haven't heard much about the Dodgers in any speculation, other than Pierre..
That divorce must be a huge distraction.
+1
They want power. We want respect...
by SenorChuckles on Dec 9, 2009 10:25 AM PST up reply actions
Oui
or is it Si.
When I'm not at the stadium, I'd rather be watching my Halos back in Costa Rica!
by Dono Romantico on Dec 9, 2009 10:42 AM PST up reply actions
It is.
All reports indicate that the Dodgers are in no position to sign anyone big.
They basically need two starter arms, which they will pick up on the back end of the offseason, and they will stay put.
I brought sexy back, but they only gave me store credit....
KCAL reported that Jamie's compensation from the Doyers has been settled.
Angels baseball. We do what we must, because we can -- HaloDutch
My bad. It was spousal support, not the Doyers thing.
Angels baseball. We do what we must, because we can -- HaloDutch
Dodgers are in the lead for signing Kameron Loe, Nick Green & Alfredo Amezaga
mostly since nobody else wants them. Quin is probably a little out of their price range.
"Don't worry about a thing,
'Cause every little thing gonna be all right!"
by Quad Fin Rider on Dec 9, 2009 1:03 PM PST up reply actions
I heard Quin is going to the Rockies anyway...
Now stuck in Colorado Springs
by stuck in Romania on Dec 9, 2009 2:25 PM PST up reply actions
Hey, we could pick up Amezaga. And start to bring back the 2003 team!
Angels baseball. We do what we must, because we can -- HaloDutch
I would be absolutely fine with signing Bay
with a bullpen arm and be done.
-Lackey is too old and too injured recently for a 5+ year contract.
-Halladay will cost Aybar and lots of money. No thanks. I would rather have Aybar for the next 4 years and try and sign Halladay in the FA market next year.
-We have depth in the rotation. All the Angels need is for two guys to man up in the playoffs and pitch like Jeff Weaver for the Cards in 05.
I brought sexy back, but they only gave me store credit....
Does anyone know that if we indeed trade Saundo, Aybar, and Napoli
would their money be off the books? Therefore giving us more money for Halladay’s extension and BP help (or Bay)?
They want power. We want respect...
Saundo Aybar and Naps
Are all eligible for arbitration and raises.
Their salary would move to the Jays and would be around 5-7 million dollars.
I brought sexy back, but they only gave me store credit....
Really? 5-7 mill all together?
their raises have already been added to the payroll no?
They want power. We want respect...
by SenorChuckles on Dec 9, 2009 10:44 AM PST up reply actions
That would be a super-shitty trade, btw
Solid SP, one of the most powerful-hitting catchers in the game, and potential Ozzie Smith 2.0 with a better bat, all for an admittedly great pitcher in his 30s, who, like all pitchers, is one sneeze away from ending his career? And who will cost five times as much as those three? Count me out.
by mattwelch on Dec 9, 2009 12:39 PM PST up reply actions 5 recs
I think if Aybar is on the table
Then the trade becomes more prospects than Major League Level players. I don’t think you need to send both Naps and Aybar, with Saundo.
If its Aybar, probably a deal with Conger, Bell, and maybe a AA pitching prospect could do it.
RIP Nick Adenhart 4/9/09
I blog about the Angels at The Diamond Aces
We need to get real here.
Bell is a throw-in if anything, not a bona-fide piece in any trade for a guy like Halladay. If it is indeed Aybar, I agree that the rest of the players would be minor leaguers, but more along the lines of Reckling/Walden. So if the trade is Aybar, Reckling, Conger and THEN a low-end guy like Bell, does that get it done? Is it worth it?
Maybe I was over-valuing Bell
But if it lands you Halladay, how can you not do it? Keeping my fingers crossed but if Seattle doesn’t sign another Type A free agent, we’ll get their 18th pick and a sandwich pick. If Lackey chooses to go to the Mets (which is rumored), I believe we pick up their 2nd round and a draft pick. And if we don’t sign Bay, we keep our 31st pick. Restock the farm with pitching.
RIP Nick Adenhart 4/9/09
I blog about the Angels at The Diamond Aces
Ditto that!
Finally! A voice of Reasonm
STOP with the “trade Aybar” stuff. It’s making me ill, here. Put DOWN the Jack Daniels.
There’s a good reason the RSox have been looking for a decent SS like, forever – there aren’t many.
We’ve got one that’s killing it out there and hasen’t even approached his potential. And he’s cheap to boot!
Do NOT trade Aybar!
Driven into right-center field, Erstad says he has it...the Angels, world champions!
by LAASurfin on Dec 9, 2009 2:10 PM PST via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
Mobile posting is humble-pie
Please ignore the fat-fingering…
Driven into right-center field, Erstad says he has it...the Angels, world champions!
by LAASurfin on Dec 9, 2009 2:14 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
AGREED!
Seriously, a solid SS is hard to find. Say aybar settles into a .315, .320 hitter with some power (10-15 HR a year) and good speed (20 sb a year). Do we really want to let that go for a guy who plays every fifth day and ties up nearly 20% of our payroll? Not to mention a guy like Napoli who homers like crazy and a SP who, while certainly not the equal of halladay is a solid competitor.
Maybe I just have too much attachment to the guys, but it seems like we might be getting the short end of this deal.
by Balls and Strikes on Dec 9, 2009 9:45 PM PST up reply actions
I would assume so, but why not wait?
We could get him at the trade deadline for probably one player and a prospect instead of 3 major league guys. We will easily still contend for the West without Lackey or Halladay if we have our other 4 starters.
I’d be willing to rent Halladay for a lower price and he’d be a moron not to accept an offer that could take him to the playoffs for his first time right before he enters free agency.
"Well make more fuckin' money. This is America. You don't make money, then you're a fuckin' douchebag." - Mr French "The Departed"
"You gotta have nuts." - Torii Hunter
There would be more teams intrested.
im guessing he would accept a trade to a team in contention for 1/2 a year.
They want power. We want respect...
by SenorChuckles on Dec 9, 2009 10:46 AM PST up reply actions
We can't wait
Halladay has given the Jays a deadline to be traded by the beginning of the season or else he stays on until he becomes a FA next year.
by lightupthehalo29 on Dec 9, 2009 10:43 AM PST reply actions
Does this guy even want to be a Halo
so far all I’ve heard is that he wants to go to East coast teams.
When I'm not at the stadium, I'd rather be watching my Halos back in Costa Rica!
by Dono Romantico on Dec 9, 2009 10:45 AM PST up reply actions
I read specifically as the Angels
are a team he would accept to be traded too. I think it was Yankees, Red Sox, Phillies, and Angels. In that order.
RIP Nick Adenhart 4/9/09
I blog about the Angels at The Diamond Aces
Many people have said Halladay would accept a trade to the Angels
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2009/11/halladay-wants-to-pitch-in-bronx.html
Of course what kind of rumor would it be if the Yankees arent his favorite team to be traded to :/
They want power. We want respect...
by SenorChuckles on Dec 9, 2009 10:52 AM PST up reply actions
Halladay = future U-haul.
This could be an epic bust if the angels don’t win the championship in 2010.
Play it cool, or just wait until next post season where there is a decent crop of FAs
What do you need a fancy suit for, Charlie, you ain't got no job to wear it to.
I'm a craps fan.
some times you just got to put down that big bet on the Field and hope you role a 2 or a 12.
RIP Nick Adenhart 4/9/09
I blog about the Angels at The Diamond Aces
I like to roll for Yahtzee.
They want power. We want respect...
by SenorChuckles on Dec 9, 2009 10:54 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Nickel slots for me...
with a steady influx of jack n water.
What do you need a fancy suit for, Charlie, you ain't got no job to wear it to.
by clover_black on Dec 9, 2009 10:56 AM PST up reply actions
Except that I keep reading that the Angels require an extensionbeing signed first.
Had I owned the Pittsburgh Pirates, I could have saved America.
Which the Jays are willing to provide!
Also sounds like the Halos are learning from the U-Haul “debacle”—I wonder if they were demanding this window in the summer and that’s what killed it? Reagins has said that Aybar wasn’t the sticking point…or I guess maybe Saunders was.
RIP Nick Adenhart.
"When the Babe tries to call his shot, I hope Nick puts one in his ear."
--RallyMonkey5
Why not offer Izturis instead of Aybar?
Comparable skill set, great with RISP, plays 3 IF positions. He’s a FA next year, but his next contract would be easily manageable to the Jays.
Then we can sign another utility guy or bring up Sandoval if we need to.
"Well make more fuckin' money. This is America. You don't make money, then you're a fuckin' douchebag." - Mr French "The Departed"
"You gotta have nuts." - Torii Hunter
We could offer Izturis
By if i’m Toronto, why don’t I counter offer with Ricky Romero. They kind of hold the cards… if the deal comes down to Aybar and the Angels have fallen in love with Hallady, then say bye to Aybar.
It all depends. I always thought the entire deal was based on more prospects. But whatever.
RIP Nick Adenhart 4/9/09
I blog about the Angels at The Diamond Aces
Aren't you also making a case why we should just play Izzy??
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by matthiasstephan on Dec 9, 2009 11:19 AM PST up reply actions
Well, Halladay =/= Romero
Izturis on the other hand is equal or very near equal to Aybar.
"Well make more fuckin' money. This is America. You don't make money, then you're a fuckin' douchebag." - Mr French "The Departed"
"You gotta have nuts." - Torii Hunter
Izturis is 4 years older...
and hasn’t played a full season in the majors. ever. They are similar hitters at this point but aybar is significantly better on defense.
Harden, with the 1-year + incentives might be a fairly decent buy.
Anyone know what he’s asking as a base?
Angels baseball. We do what we must, because we can -- HaloDutch
Answer to the question on where the Rev gets his hair cut...
“…any damn place I want. Would you like to meet my dog Mr. LaRussa?”
we gotta keep aybar
izzy is too fragile and can’t make it through a season without finding the dl and he would be counted on to be the leadoff guy. trade izzy to Colorado for hawpe, it’s a deal silimar to the garland for oc trade. both were eligible for free agency at the end of the year. then trade rivera for a pitcher, trade gmj for anybody who has a pulse and can contribute, let lackey walk , collect the draft picks and see you in Arizona
by thejd on Dec 9, 2009 11:51 AM PST via mobile reply actions
"If you're wondering why there's been no news lately, it might be because all the writers just had their annual lunch with all the managers."
A simple reminder that nothing shuts up a sports writer faster than free food.
Had I owned the Pittsburgh Pirates, I could have saved America.
I wonder if any of the SoCal sports writers were there?
Could the OCR or LAT afford to send anyone? Could the Angels (or whoever paid for the lunch) afford to have Whicker dine with them?
These are the things we’ve got to know…who cares about Halladay!
Yeah, they do.
Ata minimum, OCR has Bill Plunkett and LAT has Kevin Baxtera and Dylan Hernandez.
Had I owned the Pittsburgh Pirates, I could have saved America.
^ Similarly the lack of news on the Angels front can be attributed to...
Mike Scioscia being preoccupied with decimating some pasta.
"Well make more fuckin' money. This is America. You don't make money, then you're a fuckin' douchebag." - Mr French "The Departed"
"You gotta have nuts." - Torii Hunter
I just picture Scioscia talking to the slice of pizza like Tiger
When was the last time you’ve been F’d!
RIP Nick Adenhart 4/9/09
I blog about the Angels at The Diamond Aces
Then he'll put his jersey into the washer/dryer he got at Howards, to remove the lasagna stains.
Angels baseball. We do what we must, because we can -- HaloDutch
From Buster Olney's Twitter
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1. It’s unclear what Jason Bay’s market is, with word that Mike Scioscia says the Angels have other more pressing needs. less than a minute ago from web
Does this mean we’re gonna re-sign vlad?
#34, never forget.
Ding ding ding
All smoke and mirrors. The Angels in a worse case scenario could use Napoli as a DH. More realistically, Plan A involves trading for Halladay (with a long term commitment) re-signing Lackey, then signing Bay. Of course that’s probably not going to happen, but what they are probably working towards.
RIP Nick Adenhart 4/9/09
I blog about the Angels at The Diamond Aces
Plan A will NEVER happen
We can’t afford it. plain and simple. If we sign 2 of Halladay, Lackey or Bay that’s still pushing it
by lightupthehalo29 on Dec 9, 2009 1:25 PM PST up reply actions
Arte could afford it
Think big splash, this year the All-Star Game is in Anaheim. Arte is going to show the country that the Angels are a big market team.
RIP Nick Adenhart 4/9/09
I blog about the Angels at The Diamond Aces
While Arte could afford it
if the Yankees or Sox had the slightest hint that we could pull it off, they would likely do whatever it took to keep it from happening.
once the trade is set...
all the other dominoes fall.
RIP Nick Adenhart 4/9/09
I blog about the Angels at The Diamond Aces
Yes! Please!
RIP Nick Adenhart.
"When the Babe tries to call his shot, I hope Nick puts one in his ear."
--RallyMonkey5
Why Bay?
This guy is getting way too much love for what he actually produces.
What do you need a fancy suit for, Charlie, you ain't got no job to wear it to.
Bay combines power and speed.
The Angels could use his speed in the absence of Figgins. Plus he has reasonable power.
RIP Nick Adenhart 4/9/09
I blog about the Angels at The Diamond Aces
He's got some pop.
But his D is horrible, he hits for an underwhelming average, and he looks like a serial killer.
I’m not really drinking the kool aid on this one..but if he becomes an angel, then ill retract everything i said.
What do you need a fancy suit for, Charlie, you ain't got no job to wear it to.
by clover_black on Dec 9, 2009 2:11 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
You guys are forgetting the most important part
HE’S CANADIAN!!!!!!!!
He drives a car with square wheels and his entire head opens when he talks! ;)
"Well make more fuckin' money. This is America. You don't make money, then you're a fuckin' douchebag." - Mr French "The Departed"
"You gotta have nuts." - Torii Hunter
+1 South Park
I wonder if he’s related to Ike?
Angels baseball. We do what we must, because we can -- HaloDutch
"BLAME CANADA!!"
Kyle’s mom was right!! Filthy Canucks!! Just kidding by the way, if there are any Halo fans from America Jr.
YOU DON'T KNOW THE POWER OF THE DARKSIDE.....
Harden to the M's????
decent gamble but expensive 7.5 mil
Confidence breeds success, self-doubt breeds failure
ESPN still has Angels as best Halladay winner
and say that resigning lackey and making the trade for halladay is at top of wish list. Now having both would be sweet
Confidence breeds success, self-doubt breeds failure
That halladay is an angel?
Or ESPN was right?
What do you need a fancy suit for, Charlie, you ain't got no job to wear it to.
Halladay as an Angel
I didn’t place my yearly bet on the Angels to win the World Series this year. Things are already looking up.
RIP Nick Adenhart 4/9/09
I blog about the Angels at The Diamond Aces
If they did...
signing up for that guy’s 8 team 2×2 league would be awesome.
by BruinHalo on Dec 9, 2009 2:26 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Dear Santa, all i want for christmas is for a couple of starters to sign with the Angels
I’m asking for Halladay and Lackey to sign deals with the Angels. this will make it my best christmas ever.
Well, opiejeanne, we know what you'd have to tell Santa :-)
Not that there’s anything WRONG with that….
Angels baseball. We do what we must, because we can -- HaloDutch
That I've been exceptionally good this year...
except for the F-bombs, especially during the post season.
But Santa should understand.
THIS… IS… ANAHEIM!!
He DOES wear Red...though that could be to go with his Sox...?
RIP Nick Adenhart.
"When the Babe tries to call his shot, I hope Nick puts one in his ear."
--RallyMonkey5
Nooooooooooooo!
Santa is an Angels fan. The Sox are teh debbil, and Santa don’t play that.
THIS… IS… ANAHEIM!!
Think about it.
There are no Christmas songs about Sox… and tons about Angels.
Which reminds me… this year I’m determined to put a Tim Salmon on top of my tree. This way the tree will be adorned with both a star and an Angel on top.
that is so so true. He is totally an Angels fan.
and yeah i was good until the meltdown in the ALCS also. But other than that i have been very very good.
Yay! Christmas songs about Angels!
RIP Nick Adenhart.
"When the Babe tries to call his shot, I hope Nick puts one in his ear."
--RallyMonkey5
Rich Harden to Texas. One year, $7.5 million with an $11.5 million option
"Don't worry about a thing,
'Cause every little thing gonna be all right!"
That's a gamble
Harden has got to stay healthy to make this a good move for Texas.
RIP Nick Adenhart 4/9/09
I blog about the Angels at The Diamond Aces
good signing
Texas’ pitching has been improving
When I'm not at the stadium, I'd rather be watching my Halos back in Costa Rica!
by Dono Romantico on Dec 9, 2009 3:38 PM PST up reply actions
Kurkjian just said that Bay to the Angels is unlikely
He thinks we’ll go after Lackey and Halladay hard. Yes, both of them.
If we land both, we will have the best starting rotation since…. well, it would be damn good.
by lightupthehalo29 on Dec 9, 2009 2:25 PM PST reply actions
Ya, I think Bay is gonna be a Plan B.
If they can’t get Halladay and Lackey, they’ll probably go for Bay.
How does Arte afford both Halladay AND Lackey?
Especially with his announcement that payroll will stay about the same as last year? Sounds like more writers blowing smoke. Or Arte/Reagins are playing mind games with Lackey or Halladay’s agents.
I assume either Santana, Weaver, or Saunders get traded to Toronto in any deal for Halladay. That gives a starting staff of Halladay, Lackey, Kazmir, and 2 of 3 above. That still leaves Moseley, Bell, O’Sullivan and Palmer as 6-9 potential starters, unless Bell or O’Sullivan are also included in the deal for Halladay.
Don’t know if this will happen, but if it does, we will be SP rich, decent pen, and a bit light on offense. Defense should be roughly the same.
And Arte’s wallet will be a bit lighter too.
I have a feeling Arte/Reagins are playing mind games.
With how sneaky and secretive the Angels usually are during the offseason, I would be shocked if what Arte said about keeping payroll about the same is true.
i think arte said
the payroll will stay roughly the same but he will spend for certain players he knows will make significant difference.
my problem is how long are they gonna sign halladay and lackey up for; around 4 years would be great, anything longer and i’d feel a little uncomfortable.
"come on, eileen."
Did you mean to say since sliced bread?
Or since the internetz?
"Well make more fuckin' money. This is America. You don't make money, then you're a fuckin' douchebag." - Mr French "The Departed"
"You gotta have nuts." - Torii Hunter
Sorry...
The reply button doesn’t work most of the time on my work computer for some reason. Unfortunately that’s where I’m stuck most of the day.
Works fine from home though.
"Well make more fuckin' money. This is America. You don't make money, then you're a fuckin' douchebag." - Mr French "The Departed"
"You gotta have nuts." - Torii Hunter
by Commander_Nate on Dec 9, 2009 3:08 PM PST up reply actions
Heh, mean.
RIP Nick Adenhart.
"When the Babe tries to call his shot, I hope Nick puts one in his ear."
--RallyMonkey5
Harden is sort of like Bedard
- talented pitcher with great upside
- strikeout artist; excellent K/9 rate
- plagued by injuries
- Canadian
The biggest difference is that the first thing Harden says at the introductory press conference
won’t be, " I surrender!! "
So the Rangers have traded a solid reliable starter (Millwood)...
…for a solid reliever (Ray), and replaced the solid relaible starter with a shakey Canadian.
Harden is a gamble. If he has a decent season, then they come out ahead in these 2 deals. If not, they have a millwood size hole in their SP staff.
Rangers deals are not definite yet according to mlb.com
“The Rangers are ready to send Millwood to the Orioles for Ray and use the money saved in the transaction to sign Harden, who was 9-9 with a 4.09 ERA in 26 starts for the Cubs last year. He was 10-2 with a 2.07 ERA in 25 starts with Athletics and Cubs in 2008.
An official announcement could come as early as Wednesday evening. The biggest hurdle is a review of the medical records because Ray underwent Tommy John elbow ligament replacement surgery in August 2007, and missed all of the ’08 season.
Harden also has a long history of physical issues that would require a physical before his deal is complete."
"Don't worry about a thing,
'Cause every little thing gonna be all right!"
by Quad Fin Rider on Dec 9, 2009 3:34 PM PST up reply actions
Now it looks official
“The Orioles acquired right-hander Kevin Millwood and cash considerations from the Rangers in exchange for reliever Chris Ray and a player to be named later on Wednesday.”
"Don't worry about a thing,
'Cause every little thing gonna be all right!"
by Quad Fin Rider on Dec 9, 2009 3:44 PM PST up reply actions
Groovy
When I'm not at the stadium, I'd rather be watching my Halos back in Costa Rica!
by Dono Romantico on Dec 9, 2009 3:44 PM PST up reply actions
oui
When I'm not at the stadium, I'd rather be watching my Halos back in Costa Rica!
by Dono Romantico on Dec 9, 2009 4:05 PM PST up reply actions
How many French troops does it take to defend Paris?
Nobody knows, it’s never been tried.
Angels baseball. We do what we must, because we can -- HaloDutch
Let us working schmucks know the scoop
In other news, my work computer appears to have opened preliminary discussions with the HH reply button as my last couple attempts at getting it to work have succeeded. No telling how long this will last, though.
"Well make more fuckin' money. This is America. You don't make money, then you're a fuckin' douchebag." - Mr French "The Departed"
"You gotta have nuts." - Torii Hunter
by Commander_Nate on Dec 9, 2009 3:39 PM PST up reply actions
all they have done is talk about Sosh's upcoming interview
while showing Mike sign an autograph for a fan.
and that is not hot stove news
When I'm not at the stadium, I'd rather be watching my Halos back in Costa Rica!
by Dono Romantico on Dec 9, 2009 3:41 PM PST up reply actions
now if it was Vlad signing an autograph for free
that would be hot stove news
When I'm not at the stadium, I'd rather be watching my Halos back in Costa Rica!
by Dono Romantico on Dec 9, 2009 3:42 PM PST up reply actions
Who's up for a
Milton Bradley for HGH trade?
When I'm not at the stadium, I'd rather be watching my Halos back in Costa Rica!
Nobody.
I’d rather have GMJ and his albatross of a contract, than have Bradley and his headcase issues.
GMJ may be unhappy, but he’s a good soldier.
Angels baseball. We do what we must, because we can -- HaloDutch
I fell ya red
When I'm not at the stadium, I'd rather be watching my Halos back in Costa Rica!
by Dono Romantico on Dec 9, 2009 3:50 PM PST up reply actions
hahahahaha
I mean I feel ya Red
When I'm not at the stadium, I'd rather be watching my Halos back in Costa Rica!
by Dono Romantico on Dec 9, 2009 3:50 PM PST up reply actions
wouldn't bradley have more teams willing to trade for him?
if we could flip him by the trade deadline to some desperate team on the doorsteps of the playoffs, then i’d trade for him.
"come on, eileen."
Oh please no.
RIP Nick Adenhart.
"When the Babe tries to call his shot, I hope Nick puts one in his ear."
--RallyMonkey5
it's a lovefest
When I'm not at the stadium, I'd rather be watching my Halos back in Costa Rica!
by Dono Romantico on Dec 9, 2009 3:58 PM PST up reply actions
What does Bud Black have to talk about with Mike?
Except for how much he misses being the Angels pitching coach and how much he hates being in a stadium that is just as empty on opening day as it is right now.
Seriosly, PETCO is a few blocks from my work. There could be a game going right now from the looks of it.
"Well make more fuckin' money. This is America. You don't make money, then you're a fuckin' douchebag." - Mr French "The Departed"
"You gotta have nuts." - Torii Hunter
by Commander_Nate on Dec 9, 2009 4:03 PM PST up reply actions
But the Tilted Kilt
is next door. Seriously, check it out.
Not a peep about Woody in the conversation about who's gonna replace
Figgy.
When I'm not at the stadium, I'd rather be watching my Halos back in Costa Rica!
If you like small talk
than the Sosh interview on MLBNetwork was a success. Sosh was asked very little probing questions and gave his standard vanilla answers.
When I'm not at the stadium, I'd rather be watching my Halos back in Costa Rica!
Perhaps there is a Rally Monkey
Just off camera poised to “throw” (I think you know what I mean) at Larkin & Co if they delve too deeply.
"Well make more fuckin' money. This is America. You don't make money, then you're a fuckin' douchebag." - Mr French "The Departed"
"You gotta have nuts." - Torii Hunter
by Commander_Nate on Dec 9, 2009 4:06 PM PST up reply actions
I crack up every time he's interviewed because the reporters never get much out of him,
and certainly nothing juicy.
THIS… IS… ANAHEIM!!
He's used to dodging reporters questions
Because he knows how to change the subject to “laundry”.
Angels baseball. We do what we must, because we can -- HaloDutch
So the Yankees don't appear that interested in Lackey after meeting with his agent
That’s good news for us at least.
Now I’d say the Mets, Mariners, and possibly Red Sox are our biggest obstacles.
And his price will probably have to come down.
"Well make more fuckin' money. This is America. You don't make money, then you're a fuckin' douchebag." - Mr French "The Departed"
"You gotta have nuts." - Torii Hunter
Cashman also expressed disinterest in signing Aroldis Chapman today
It sounds like they’re going all in to pick up Halladay.
"Don't worry about a thing,
'Cause every little thing gonna be all right!"
by Quad Fin Rider on Dec 9, 2009 4:37 PM PST up reply actions
Eh, that's what they said about Teix initially, too.
RIP Nick Adenhart.
"When the Babe tries to call his shot, I hope Nick puts one in his ear."
--RallyMonkey5
Yeah, but they don't really need Lackey
They did need a first base upgrade last year. Besides, I don’t think Lackey would want to be the 3 or 4 guy in the rotation.
"Well make more fuckin' money. This is America. You don't make money, then you're a fuckin' douchebag." - Mr French "The Departed"
"You gotta have nuts." - Torii Hunter
by Commander_Nate on Dec 9, 2009 4:49 PM PST up reply actions
They didn't need Tex either. Yankees don't go for needs, they go for wants.
And Lackey will be a team’s long-reliever if the price is right.
That's not what $150 million will say.
:-D Hehe.
RIP Nick Adenhart.
"When the Babe tries to call his shot, I hope Nick puts one in his ear."
--RallyMonkey5
Shoulda taken our first offer.
4/72 is starting to look pretty fair now, aint it son?
No matter what happens from here on, it has been a great season.
by Rally Manatee on Dec 9, 2009 5:12 PM PST up reply actions
According to Heyman
SI_JonHeyman+ according to toronto sun, #angels offer LHP joe saunders, SS erick aybar and OF peter bourjos for halladay. but would he go?
In Arte I Trust.
I know that is posted at the top but wow.
I never thought I’d say it but losing Aybar would be awful.
In Arte I Trust.
What's the point?
Halladay will be a free agent again in another season, unless you sign him to an extension first. But that would cost at least as much money as signing John Lackey, and Halladay is even 18 months older. Sure Halladay is better, but is so much better you’ll trade your shortstop, a linchpin in your rotation, and one of your top prospects just for the right to pay him more money than John Lackey? No thanks, dude.
i am feeling very weird about this
can’t decide if i like it or not, i have no problem with peter and saunders but aybar… eh i dunno maybe we just need to eventually give up something big anyway and aybar might just be the piece to do it…
make the trade, get lackey, trade GMJ for Lowell and make B-Wood, Izzy, and Howie the shortstop/2nd rotation
things could be worse…
2009 Angels Season: Let's Do This For Nick
by trojanangelfan on Dec 9, 2009 5:28 PM PST up reply actions
could that happen?
Would the Red Sox really take GMJ?
by lightupthehalo29 on Dec 9, 2009 5:37 PM PST up reply actions
i read that somewhere...
ill try and find it
2009 Angels Season: Let's Do This For Nick
by trojanangelfan on Dec 9, 2009 5:38 PM PST up reply actions
thanks...
saved me for looking all over the web for it when it was in front of my eyes and for the record i am VERY down with a trade like that straight up
2009 Angels Season: Let's Do This For Nick
by trojanangelfan on Dec 9, 2009 5:49 PM PST up reply actions
Please Blue Jays accepts ours offer!!!
can we trade napoli as well so we can add the the sianara kid (matsui)
They want power. We want respect...
NO to Halladay
The Blue Jays might have worn out his arm. He’s thrown 930.1 innings over the last four seasons (avg. 232.5 innings per year). Halladay turns 33 in 2010. How much does he have left? His best seasons are behind him.
Not only do the Angels have to give up players but they are giving up a TON of cash for Doc.
No, no, no.
no jinx it dude.
They want power. We want respect...
by SenorChuckles on Dec 9, 2009 5:32 PM PST up reply actions
I am very against trading Aybar/Saunders.
I’d rather spend the extra money resigning Lackey than giving away key players.
Why do the Blue Jays want Aybar?
Toronto just signed TWO free-agent shortstops last week. Why the heck would they want Aybar now? With Arron Hill at 2nd, Encarcion at 3rd, and 2 other shortstops there’s no place for them to play Aybar.
I've never heard of a sign and trade in Baseball.
Toronto has already committed 5 mil next year to their other shortstops. If I were them I would rather have Napoli.
I know what you meant
But they only signed them last week. I’ve never heard of baseball players signing as free agents and getting traded the next week. Not sure if its even allowed
oh sorry. I thought i was being confusing
i don’t know if it is possible its just something that I read on the link
Why didn't we offer Napoli instead?
I would have preferred that!
by lightupthehalo29 on Dec 9, 2009 5:37 PM PST up reply actions
Remind me HOW Napoli is expendable in favor of a BLACK HOLE?
RIP Nick Adenhart.
"When the Babe tries to call his shot, I hope Nick puts one in his ear."
--RallyMonkey5
Remember kids, postseason batting ability is great and all, but it only kind of makes up for a sub-.200 regular season career average!
RIP Nick Adenhart.
"When the Babe tries to call his shot, I hope Nick puts one in his ear."
--RallyMonkey5
Fuck it,
im fine with Napoli being our “jason bay”.
They want power. We want respect...
by SenorChuckles on Dec 9, 2009 5:48 PM PST up reply actions
Maybe Aybar/Saunders/Bourjos for Halladay/Gonzales?
Angels baseball. We do what we must, because we can -- HaloDutch
cant trade a recently signed player until july.
They want power. We want respect...
by SenorChuckles on Dec 9, 2009 6:39 PM PST up reply actions
tonight or tomorrow
it seems like teams don’t make offers unless they have a good idea there’s already an answer
2009 Angels Season: Let's Do This For Nick
by trojanangelfan on Dec 9, 2009 5:37 PM PST up reply actions
Yeah please Roy Halladay.
I promise to buy a Halladay jersey and wear it all the time.
They want power. We want respect...
by SenorChuckles on Dec 9, 2009 5:47 PM PST up reply actions
This only works for me...
…if we negotiate some kind of extension. That’s a lot to give up for 1 year of Halladay.
I see red people
The only way this is happening is if that's already been told to Halladay
Reagins has said from the beginning a trade would rely on him signing an extension. It doesn’t go through unless we know we can. We’ll talk to Halladay before it’s all done.
by lightupthehalo29 on Dec 9, 2009 5:40 PM PST up reply actions
would they really continue to talk to the blue jays is Halladay would not approve.
They want power. We want respect...
by SenorChuckles on Dec 9, 2009 5:41 PM PST up reply actions
If we trade Aybar, that trade could haunt us for years.
I’ve been of the opinion all along that re-signing Lackey should be our top priority, within reason. Is he worth 100 million? No. But is trading our SS whose potential has not been reached, with great D, a bat that’s starting to develop, not too mention he’s only 26, and under club control all while being relatively cheap, for a 33 year old SP that we still would have to extend, for probably more than it would take to re-sign Lackey. I’m fine with trading for Halladay. Just leave Aybar out of it.
YOU DON'T KNOW THE POWER OF THE DARKSIDE.....
but dude a trade for Halladay would basically be a bitch slap...
at the M’s getting Figgy. Like we are sending a messge that We are the Angels, We get shit done. With or without aybar we will still win the west, so why not bank that we will get revenge on the Yankees in the 2010 postseason.
They want power. We want respect...
by SenorChuckles on Dec 9, 2009 5:45 PM PST up reply actions
true
However, what do we do with our infield? Does Wood start at Short and Izzy at 3B? I don’t think that is good enough.
i agree
the more i think about it the more i am ok with that rotation… who knows maybe aybar had a career year or maybe izzy lights it up next year… sometimes you have to take risks… shows some balls by the Angels to make a trade like this so i say trust the FO and let’s watch it unfold
2009 Angels Season: Let's Do This For Nick
by trojanangelfan on Dec 9, 2009 5:51 PM PST up reply actions
for the trading of Aybar
Aybar had one great year and does have potential but we are talking about adding a CY Younger here. And we have players to play SS. Izzy may get it done. And we don’t know that Aybar can do a good job at lead off while we already know that Izzy can. That is a bigger need IMO.
Wasn't less than a year ago...
we were call Aybar “Failbar”? Now, to some, he’s too valuable to trade for Roy Halladay?
It wasn’t even an entire season, it was a few months.
seriously...
I just joing this site in july, but in all the other angels sites and forums they would throw Aybar under the bus.
They want power. We want respect...
by SenorChuckles on Dec 9, 2009 6:40 PM PST up reply actions
1B k-mo
2B Hk
SS Izzy
3B Wood
back ups
sandoval
brown
and some cheap vet?
They want power. We want respect...
by SenorChuckles on Dec 9, 2009 5:53 PM PST up reply actions
bring back Shane Halter or Lou Merloni!
Actually I heard Edgardo Alfonzo is looking for a job lol
#34, never forget.
Personally, I don't care about bitch slapping the M's.
I just don’t want to mortgage the future, on a 33 year old pitcher whose best years are behind him, at least if the trade involves Aybar. I have no problem with losing Colonel Saunders, WTY or Santana, because I knew that would be the price for a player of Halladay’s caliber. Hell, at this point Aybar has proven himself more than Brandon Wood has, but almost nobody wants him to be part of the deal. Now before y’all start hating on me i’m not implying that Wood is or will be a bust, just a simple fact.
YOU DON'T KNOW THE POWER OF THE DARKSIDE.....
I understand.
I just see Halladay dominate no matter what his age, kind of like a Randy Johnson. Well Halladay wont pitch forever but I think you get the point.
They want power. We want respect...
by SenorChuckles on Dec 9, 2009 6:04 PM PST up reply actions
No, i'm with you.
Halladay would be a tremendous pick up for us, I just don’t think Aybar should be part of the trade. If we gotta deal Izzy,or one of our SP, so be it, Mathis or Naps, i’d be fine with that. Hell they can even have GMJ, but if i’m ninja, I try to hold on to Aybar. Just my opinion though.
YOU DON'T KNOW THE POWER OF THE DARKSIDE.....
no doubt my friend.
if indeed Aybar leaves he will leave a big in my heart and Halladay would come in and would easily fill that spot and more.
They want power. We want respect...
by SenorChuckles on Dec 9, 2009 6:17 PM PST up reply actions
Aybar is not good
at baseball. I don’t know what all you people are thinking.
Um hi, did you watch this past season?
I’m sorry, I didn’t realize that .380 for two months with Gold Glove caliber defense the entire season = not good at baseball. Especially for a guy who’s not yet 26.
RIP Nick Adenhart.
"When the Babe tries to call his shot, I hope Nick puts one in his ear."
--RallyMonkey5
Yes he is
What are you smoking?
Let me get some.
"Well make more fuckin' money. This is America. You don't make money, then you're a fuckin' douchebag." - Mr French "The Departed"
"You gotta have nuts." - Torii Hunter
by Commander_Nate on Dec 9, 2009 5:49 PM PST up reply actions
I believe the proper vernacular is...
Puff..puff..pass! ;)
YOU DON'T KNOW THE POWER OF THE DARKSIDE.....
I'm glad u clarified with "at baseball"
I was going to assume u meant ping pong or curling.
If you’re gonna make a statement like that though, u should back it up. Stats? Anything?
by lightupthehalo29 on Dec 9, 2009 5:50 PM PST up reply actions
Why do you want Aybar?
To hit leadoff? He doesn’t walk, he steals bases like Figgy (meaning, not very well), he hits only singles and the occasional triple.
Also, everyone who wants to get rid of Napoli is also insane. Mathis is terrible at the plate. Regardless of how much “better” he is behind it than Napoli, it doesn’t begin to make up for the fact that he can’t hit. Naps gives you 20-30 HR per year. I’ll take that over leading the leage in CERA anyday.
Well I dont know about everyone else...
but Aybar is one of my favorite hispanic player but I would trade Aybar if that meant Santana wont be part of the deal.
They want power. We want respect...
by SenorChuckles on Dec 9, 2009 5:59 PM PST up reply actions
it's durability that is the issue with Napoli
the guy gets injured too much to be behind the plate, I’d rather he were full time DH that caught once a week and we had bobby wilson and mathis catching.
If we have Halladay and Lackey, we may not need the extra bullpen pitcher anyways.
#34, never forget.
That's right! Aybar sucks....
Oh, and who lead the Angels in batting this last year? oh yeah, that guy that sucks.
Now stuck in Colorado Springs
by stuck in Romania on Dec 9, 2009 9:51 PM PST up reply actions
I'm kinda iffy on Aybar
I would have offered Izturis instead.
I’m ok with it though if he signs a 3-4 year extension.
I just hope Izturis is up for SS and leadoff if this goes down.
"Well make more fuckin' money. This is America. You don't make money, then you're a fuckin' douchebag." - Mr French "The Departed"
"You gotta have nuts." - Torii Hunter
yeah Izzy is a red sox killer.
I doubt the jays would be jumping for joy for Izzy.
They want power. We want respect...
by SenorChuckles on Dec 9, 2009 5:50 PM PST up reply actions
Few things....
If there is no extension with this it’s a bad trade. If there is an extension than it’s a good trade.
Aybar is very good and also replaceable. He’s a slick fielding shortstop that isn’t very patient and doesn’t have lot of power. It’s nice that he’s young and cheap and will likely improve but he’s hardly a tier 1 player.
Halladay is much better than Lackey. He’s a former CY young winner who consistently posts low ERA’s and high K rates. Lackey is good. Halladay is great and a bona fide.
Bourjorourous isn’t Reckling or Wood so who cares.
The value of Napoli
Of the 29 catchers in MLB who had at least 300 PAs, Napoli had the fourth best wOBA. The top 4:
1) Mauer (.438)
2) Posada (.378)
3) V.Martinez (.375)
4) Napoli (.362)
Having a catcher who can hit is a significant competitive advantage that the Angels currently hold. Don’t piss it away.
by Fan Since 1981 on Dec 9, 2009 5:51 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
I wonder how much his poor defense
diminishes his value. Maybe the Jays aren’t looking for an offensive minded Catcher.
Catcher defense is difficult to quantify (at least from a UZR perspective)
And that whole “he calls a good game” is still up for debate. The only thing that’s known is that really good hitting catchers are fairly rare.
by Fan Since 1981 on Dec 9, 2009 5:59 PM PST up reply actions
Pretty Sure Scoscia's calling the games
by lightupthehalo29 on Dec 9, 2009 5:59 PM PST up reply actions
Not just the pitch calling.
But about how catchers “handle” a pitcher. About how some pitchers feel more comfortable with specific catchers. Again, very tough to quantify. It’s very much an intangible (something I know The Soth values; one of the reasons he likes Mathis so much despite the fact that Mathis is a terrible hitter).
by Fan Since 1981 on Dec 9, 2009 6:03 PM PST up reply actions
I don't really know how this plays into sabermetrics
But Napoli can’t seem to close his glove when he’s catching.
I miss Hudler already.
by Teixeira Who? on Dec 9, 2009 6:16 PM PST up reply actions
At least Izturis is a leadoff man!
Aybar’s OBP is not great, which makes this understandable. Still, I would have rather offered Napoli!
BTW, Mathis is showing he can hit too
by lightupthehalo29 on Dec 9, 2009 5:51 PM PST reply actions
Since when?
Two weeks in the postseason?
Mathis hit .211 in 250+ plate appearances last season. I’ll believe he’s a hitter when he shows up over a full season.
I don't like it because it involves signing Beltre.
Izturis and Wood will be fine. Bring in a cheap scrub for substitution purposes, not Beltre.
RIP Nick Adenhart.
"When the Babe tries to call his shot, I hope Nick puts one in his ear."
--RallyMonkey5
MLBTR says Red Sox are looking at Beltre
They should send us Lowell for GMJ, then we could play Wood/Lowell, Izturis, and Kendrick…
by lightupthehalo29 on Dec 9, 2009 5:59 PM PST reply actions
these guys are also available to play SS
Eric Bruntlett (32)
Orlando Cabrera (35) – Type A, can’t be offered arb
Craig Counsell (39)
Bobby Crosby (30)
Chris Gomez (39)
Nick Green (31)
Khalil Greene (30)
Jerry Hairston Jr. (34)
Miguel Tejada (36) – Type A, not offered arb
Ideally we'd want a 3B who can DH
Lowell
Tejada
Beltre
Those would be top 3. Who else is there? We don’t want to break the bank either, we’ll be paying for Halladay.
by lightupthehalo29 on Dec 9, 2009 6:10 PM PST up reply actions
OC as a 1 or 2 year stopgap would be interesting.
Angels baseball. We do what we must, because we can -- HaloDutch
khalil is an interesting option, as is OC
2009 Angels Season: Let's Do This For Nick
by trojanangelfan on Dec 9, 2009 6:49 PM PST up reply actions
could be intresting.
They want power. We want respect...
by SenorChuckles on Dec 9, 2009 6:04 PM PST up reply actions
For Halladay it should Aybar OR Saundo, along with a couple of prospects, not both
I don’t like this trade at all.
"Don't worry about a thing,
'Cause every little thing gonna be all right!"
Hey Alex Anthopoulos!
you have to accept this trade. You cant trade Halladay to the AL East. Pull the trigger bitch ;)
They want power. We want respect...
"Come on Blythe! Fire your weapon, Blythe!"
Name that movie/show!
But seriously, Alex the Greek, pull the trigger and shoot us that extension!!!
"Well make more fuckin' money. This is America. You don't make money, then you're a fuckin' douchebag." - Mr French "The Departed"
"You gotta have nuts." - Torii Hunter
by Commander_Nate on Dec 9, 2009 6:24 PM PST up reply actions
the price is right?
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by SenorChuckles on Dec 9, 2009 6:41 PM PST up reply actions
Nope
I’ll give you a hint it was on HBO and still gets replayed on the History Channel and maybe HBO too…
"Well make more fuckin' money. This is America. You don't make money, then you're a fuckin' douchebag." - Mr French "The Departed"
"You gotta have nuts." - Torii Hunter
by Commander_Nate on Dec 9, 2009 6:47 PM PST up reply actions
Blood in Blood out?
give me some chum chum.
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by SenorChuckles on Dec 9, 2009 6:51 PM PST up reply actions
haha I think you mean
El Gallo Negro :)
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by SenorChuckles on Dec 9, 2009 8:34 PM PST up reply actions
yeah... im a "whitish" mexican...
hahahaha. tres puntos ?
IT COULD HAPPEN
by BigBangRobbDawgg on Dec 9, 2009 10:31 PM PST up reply actions
+3
tres puntos indeed my friend…
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by SenorChuckles on Dec 9, 2009 10:44 PM PST up reply actions
Band of Brothers
obviously
2009 Angels Season: Let's Do This For Nick
by trojanangelfan on Dec 9, 2009 6:48 PM PST up reply actions
wow i sounded like a dick right there...
i just love that show, good quote i support it
2009 Angels Season: Let's Do This For Nick
by trojanangelfan on Dec 9, 2009 6:48 PM PST up reply actions
Winner!
On both the quote and being a dick.
I mean come on it’s like “Does a bear crap in the woods?” ;)
"Well make more fuckin' money. This is America. You don't make money, then you're a fuckin' douchebag." - Mr French "The Departed"
"You gotta have nuts." - Torii Hunter
by Commander_Nate on Dec 9, 2009 6:50 PM PST up reply actions
*Band of Brothers, not Family Guy
"Well make more fuckin' money. This is America. You don't make money, then you're a fuckin' douchebag." - Mr French "The Departed"
"You gotta have nuts." - Torii Hunter
by Commander_Nate on Dec 9, 2009 6:51 PM PST up reply actions
True
That’s why there’s a pretty difficult drinking game based on it.
"Well make more fuckin' money. This is America. You don't make money, then you're a fuckin' douchebag." - Mr French "The Departed"
"You gotta have nuts." - Torii Hunter
by Commander_Nate on Dec 9, 2009 6:59 PM PST up reply actions
I am weary of Mike Lowell
First the facts:
Declining WAR
2007: 5.3
2008: 3.2
2009: 1.2
Fenway Swing
Career stats at the “Pahk”: 303/.361/.513
Career road stats: .274/.330/.447
And finally, this isn’t a stat or can’t be quantified, but everytime I saw him during this year’s playoffs against the Angels, he looked like he should have been wearing a shirt that said in big bold letters on the front:
I’M AN OLD FART
He just looks it.
I get why we need the dramatic move
With Seattle getting uppity and the Dodgers looking very vulnerable now is the time to make the big splash. If the Triumvirate thinks losing Aybar is worth it I’ll support it.
If Arte makes his move now he can dominate the West and grow his brand. Hopefully the final stage of the plan is trading GMJ and Rodger Lodge for some sort of alcoholic chicken drink.
In Arte I Trust.
How about trading GMJ and Dodger Lodge for
a handle of JACK and a bucket of BP balls.
First we had a Salmon and now we have a Trout, let's see the same results.
by angelskid2210 on Dec 9, 2009 6:40 PM PST up reply actions
Flamin Hot Cheetos
They make me craaaazy
In Arte I Trust.
by SalmonStream on Dec 9, 2009 7:00 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
OM NOM NOM NOM NOM
"Well make more fuckin' money. This is America. You don't make money, then you're a fuckin' douchebag." - Mr French "The Departed"
"You gotta have nuts." - Torii Hunter
by Commander_Nate on Dec 9, 2009 7:02 PM PST up reply actions
Hell yeah go ninja!
Throw in another prospect, I don’t care. An ace is more important than anybody else and I want this guy going twice for us against the Yanks in the postseason.
Yes! Exactly!
I love Saundo and Aybar will be good, but we spend money! We can find another starter and we can get another SS, but not everyday can you get a Roy Halladay!!
First we had a Salmon and now we have a Trout, let's see the same results.
by angelskid2210 on Dec 9, 2009 6:41 PM PST up reply actions
I hope this doesnt drag on like the Kazmir trade.
damn my impatience!
They want power. We want respect...
You and I both.
For better or worse I want to know whats going on so we can move on to plan B. Granderson is still available, right?
YOU DON'T KNOW THE POWER OF THE DARKSIDE.....
I dont think I have the heart to tell you hes not :(
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by SenorChuckles on Dec 9, 2009 6:51 PM PST up reply actions
The great thing about Granderson to the Yanks
Is that that’s at least one person Fuentes is almost guaranteed to be able to get out in the playoffs next year.
"Well make more fuckin' money. This is America. You don't make money, then you're a fuckin' douchebag." - Mr French "The Departed"
"You gotta have nuts." - Torii Hunter
by Commander_Nate on Dec 9, 2009 6:53 PM PST up reply actions
The BJays site has a poll (pole?) up too
“Would you trade Doc for Aybar, Saunders and Bourjas?” 58% Yes/42% No.
Driven into right-center field, Erstad says he has it...the Angels, world champions!
yeah its so lonely on that blog.
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by SenorChuckles on Dec 9, 2009 7:48 PM PST up reply actions
Yep. Saw you rufflin' feathers over there.
Driven into right-center field, Erstad says he has it...the Angels, world champions!
ROFL.
I want to see what they would want in return, its a little to late to ask for the moon.
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by SenorChuckles on Dec 9, 2009 7:54 PM PST up reply actions
bluebirdbanter.com, that is...
Driven into right-center field, Erstad says he has it...the Angels, world champions!
I voted a tentative yes...
Although the more I think about losing bourjos AND aybar…the scarier it seems
posted from a yellow submarine.
by Figgi4life on Dec 9, 2009 7:03 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
There's not a del taco in Indy
But i get what youre saying hahaha
by Gold Glove Hunter 48 on Dec 9, 2009 7:54 PM PST up reply actions
saundo AND aybar for halladay?! ….. no thanks. Saundo when healthy is an ace, and aybar is just flat out entertaining.
In Kobe we trust!
Saundo is not an ace.
Sorry.
What do you need a fancy suit for, Charlie, you ain't got no job to wear it to.
It's crazy talk if anyone thinks saundo is an ace.
solid #2, for sure.
What do you need a fancy suit for, Charlie, you ain't got no job to wear it to.
by clover_black on Dec 10, 2009 12:30 PM PST up reply actions
No.
I get the feeling a lot of people assume that we’ll find a way to lock up Halladay if we make this trade…. And the fact that Halladay might only be an Angel for one year seems like saundo and aybar and bourjos are a steep steep price
There's no way the Angels make this trade...
…without an extension.
OK, I'm finally over losing Tex. Thanks Kendry.
Will
we be able to negotiate with Doc before the trade is “official”? Or does the negotiating happen when both teams sign the papers? I think its the latter of the two but I’m just making sure.
by Gold Glove Hunter 48 on Dec 9, 2009 7:54 PM PST reply actions
We could arrive at a gentlemen's agreement with Doc before the trade is official.
But can’t sign an official extension until he’s on the 40-man.
For all the people who are crying not to trade Aybar :
Ask yourself what is the Goal? If you are like most Halos fans the answer is WIN THE WORLD SERIES. We have won divisions. Winning the West means nothing. It only has value as a means to an end — and that end is winning it all. Right now the $pankees and all their $$ are standing in our way. Aybar didn’t help get us past them. So, ask yourself these two questions:
1) Does keeping Aybar and foregoing Halladay get you closer to your primary goal of winning the World Series? (The answer is NO)
2) Does acquiring Halladay at the cost of Aybar (and probably Saundo and Borjos) get you closer to your primary goal? (The answer is YES)
It’s that simple. Assuming you can sign Halladay and get him for multiple years you have to make this trade.
I agree...but
I’m reading from multiple sources that Halladay won’t sign long term on the West Coast…If that is true I wouldn’t pull the trigger.
by Gold Glove Hunter 48 on Dec 9, 2009 8:08 PM PST up reply actions
The Angels have already stated that they won't trade for Halladay without an extension.
So, they must already have an idea that they could get an extension done. Although, until they can actually talk with him I guess no one knows for sure.
OK, I'm finally over losing Tex. Thanks Kendry.
We aren't going to put this one through without an extension
Reagins made that clear.
No extension, no trade for Halladay.
It’s up to him if he wants a chance to go to a contender and possibly the post season now, or if he wants to waste another year in Toronto just so he can get money from an East Coast team.
"Well make more fuckin' money. This is America. You don't make money, then you're a fuckin' douchebag." - Mr French "The Departed"
"You gotta have nuts." - Torii Hunter
by Commander_Nate on Dec 9, 2009 8:50 PM PST up reply actions
I wish I had a link, but
he said it wasnt about money, he just wants a shot at the playoffs. Dont know if he was talking about and extension or a deal in 2011.
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by SenorChuckles on Dec 9, 2009 8:52 PM PST up reply actions
There are a lot of assumptions in what you wrote;
- That Aybar doesn’t improve on his effort from last year.
- That Halladay doesn’t get injured.
This trade is one injury to Halladay away from being one of the worst trades ever made by the Angels.
If it happens, I hope the Angels sign Halladay to a long term contract and that he remains healthy for the duration of that contract. But he has a lot of wear and tear on his arm.
Finally, this doesn’t guarantee a world series ring any more than if the trade doesn’t happen. There are far too many variables.
I never said anything about guarantees. Re-read the comment.
Does acquiring Halladay at the cost of Aybar (and probably Saundo and Borjos) get you closer to your primary goal? (The answer is YES)
This trade would simply put us in a better position to achieve our goal sothball. As for injuries, Aybar could tear his ACL and be out for the whole year. So what. Nobody knows who will get injured or when. Halladay has pretty pretty reliable.
If injuries are what you are worried about Id still take Halladay over Lackey.
Lackey has started the season injured 2 years in a row, Halladay has started on opening day 8 years in a row.
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by SenorChuckles on Dec 9, 2009 8:37 PM PST up reply actions
"Assuming you can sign Halladay and get him for multiple years you have to make this trade."
That’s the key.
U-hauling him for 2010 is out of the question.
What do you need a fancy suit for, Charlie, you ain't got no job to wear it to.
reply fail
on another note, kelvim escobar should play for the angels for a bag of potato chips.
What do you need a fancy suit for, Charlie, you ain't got no job to wear it to.
Hah, yes.
They’ve probably lost confidence in him at this point, though. Which is too bad in some ways, but in other ways I have the same assessment.
RIP Nick Adenhart.
"When the Babe tries to call his shot, I hope Nick puts one in his ear."
--RallyMonkey5
I've always like Kelvim, but at this point, after all the money he's made..
Despite all of his injuries, HE should pay the Halos to pitch again.
YOU DON'T KNOW THE POWER OF THE DARKSIDE.....
Yes. Exactly.
I would be worried about extending Halladay for TOO long—let’s go for maybe 3-4 years—but watching Saundo and Aybar, and even Bourjos, be awesome in Toronto for another three or four years after Halladay has become a Skankee or whatever is just going to be wrong.
RIP Nick Adenhart.
"When the Babe tries to call his shot, I hope Nick puts one in his ear."
--RallyMonkey5
ill take halladay for 3 years
and a player option for the 4th. signing beltre and moving wood to ss would make my xmas that much better. :)
me and the wonder dog got high!
by YOUknowulovetheIE on Dec 9, 2009 8:12 PM PST reply actions
Make that
a club option…or a reasonable mutual option.
by Gold Glove Hunter 48 on Dec 9, 2009 8:13 PM PST up reply actions
where do you put
the writing that shows up below your comments?? is that the signature?
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by Gold Glove Hunter 48 on Dec 9, 2009 8:21 PM PST reply actions
nevermind
got it hahaha
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by Gold Glove Hunter 48 on Dec 9, 2009 8:21 PM PST up reply actions
nope
no sign that we’ve even talked to DOc at all….
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by Gold Glove Hunter 48 on Dec 9, 2009 8:38 PM PST up reply actions
I swear to God if goes to NY
for Montero and Hughes/Joba I will explode! Dont believe the ESPN hype on NY pitchers Alex, send Halladay to good ol SoCal.
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by SenorChuckles on Dec 9, 2009 8:41 PM PST up reply actions
I will cry if he goes to the Yankees and then the Yankees also get Lackey and/or Bay.
I will seriously cry.
RIP Nick Adenhart.
"When the Babe tries to call his shot, I hope Nick puts one in his ear."
--RallyMonkey5
I will also come close to crying if they get Lackey without getting Halladay or Bay.
Unless we get Halladay AND Bay, and they get Lackey. In which case my upper lip will just tremble.
RIP Nick Adenhart.
"When the Babe tries to call his shot, I hope Nick puts one in his ear."
--RallyMonkey5
me
too
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by Gold Glove Hunter 48 on Dec 9, 2009 8:56 PM PST up reply actions
Yeah.
if they get Lackey I will stop watching baseball and freshen up on my Ducks hockey.
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by SenorChuckles on Dec 9, 2009 9:01 PM PST up reply actions
Ducks hockey
is pretty hard to watch hahaha
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by Gold Glove Hunter 48 on Dec 9, 2009 9:02 PM PST up reply actions
ROFLCOPTER!
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by SenorChuckles on Dec 9, 2009 9:05 PM PST up reply actions
hey they had a pretty epic comeback last night...
IT COULD HAPPEN
by BigBangRobbDawgg on Dec 9, 2009 10:33 PM PST up reply actions
I will just feel cheated if the Yanks get them both.
It would be like that girl that you were always after that dissed you for the guy with the nice ride.
no deal
if he doesnt agree on an extension then i hope the angels wont go on with aybar on the deal.
Oh man dude imagine if it indeed a 1 year deal.
but then again the package allegedly offered would give you a perception that Halladay and the Angels are working on an extension.
They want power. We want respect...
by SenorChuckles on Dec 9, 2009 9:04 PM PST up reply actions
not excited about the idea of losing aybar
then again, i dont believe this is happening until I see it reported ANYWHERE else.
this is still just a rumor. Everyone needs to chill out.
RIP Nick Adenhart
uhmmm
the Toronto Sun reported it…we didnt just make it up
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by Gold Glove Hunter 48 on Dec 9, 2009 8:39 PM PST up reply actions
uhmmmmmmmmm ya, i can read
has anyone else reported this on their own source? Nope. The same article has just be alluded to or cited. There was also reports we were “deep” in discussions with Jason Bay the morning before Tony even got to the meetings, and then we found out all of that was blown out of proportion.
My point was that until other outlets treat this as anything more than a rumor, that’s all it is. One newspaper with an unnamed source is no different than the 500000 other rumors that pop up during the meetings.
Unless you think we’re also signing Matsui. And Marlon Byrd. And Beltre. And Bay. And Pineiro.
RIP Nick Adenhart
by ihearhowie2.0 on Dec 9, 2009 8:57 PM PST up reply actions
Matsui would be nice.
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by SenorChuckles on Dec 9, 2009 9:05 PM PST up reply actions
If you havent heard...
10:26pm: One GM tells Jon Heyman of SI.com that the Jays should take the offer of Joe Saunders, Erick Aybar and Peter Bourjos if it’s really on the table. Ed Price of AOL FanHouse says the Jays prefer minor leaguers to major leaguers.
mlbtraderumors.com
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another one from MLBTR
10:32pm: ESPN.com’s Jayson Stark hears that Halladay would approve a deal to the Phillies, Yankees, Red Sox and Angels. The Rays and Dodgers are possibilities, and one person “who knows [Halladay] well” doesn’t think he’d go to the Mets. Check out Stark’s entire article for a detailed breakdown of the “Doc on the block” part two.
He’ll approve…but will he sign an extension?
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by Gold Glove Hunter 48 on Dec 9, 2009 8:46 PM PST reply actions
Probably not
I’ll bet his new best friend Mark is on the phone telling him how fun it is to play in Anaheim and then laugh all the way to the NYSE.
RIP Nick Adenhart.
"When the Babe tries to call his shot, I hope Nick puts one in his ear."
--RallyMonkey5
I assume
your’e referring to Mark Teixeira?
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by Gold Glove Hunter 48 on Dec 9, 2009 8:58 PM PST up reply actions
ohhh thats a bingo ;)
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by SenorChuckles on Dec 9, 2009 8:59 PM PST up reply actions
yeahhh
that’s what I thought haha
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by Gold Glove Hunter 48 on Dec 9, 2009 9:00 PM PST up reply actions
Hehe, indeed
RIP Nick Adenhart.
"When the Babe tries to call his shot, I hope Nick puts one in his ear."
--RallyMonkey5
U-haul got this joke.
And his wife don’t allow him to even look at Halos Heaven!
YOU DON'T KNOW THE POWER OF THE DARKSIDE.....
It makes sense given that in July they wanted...
Aybar/Saundo/Wood/Bourjos so one postseason later one player has to be taken away due to 1 year left and to keep him you need some serious cash.
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by SenorChuckles on Dec 9, 2009 8:58 PM PST up reply actions
hindsight
is 20/20
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by Gold Glove Hunter 48 on Dec 9, 2009 9:06 PM PST up reply actions
maybe
you never know
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by Gold Glove Hunter 48 on Dec 9, 2009 9:18 PM PST up reply actions
the questions i have are
i really don’t think Halladay is the “missing link” rather the angels need many “links” to catch up to the yankees and red sox (the latter will definitely re-up after a “disappointing” 09, and the former just got curtis granderson). but i would never make this deal for the short term (even a short extension (less than 3 years).
not really
i dont think we need many links to catch up to the yankees. all we really needed last year was an ace that could go up against CC
exactly
Lackey isnt an ace..Doc is, in my opinion, one of the top 3 pitchers in the league.
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by Gold Glove Hunter 48 on Dec 9, 2009 9:27 PM PST up reply actions
I think he could be
just imagine him pitching 3 times in a 7 game series…
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by Gold Glove Hunter 48 on Dec 9, 2009 9:25 PM PST up reply actions
but i also agree with you
that we dont make the deal unless he signs at least a 3 year extension
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by Gold Glove Hunter 48 on Dec 9, 2009 9:26 PM PST up reply actions
This trade will not happen
If it was going to happen it would be done by now. Jays will agree to the deal if we replace Saunders with Weaver and Peter B with B. Wood
what
sources do you have?
oh yes, none.
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by Gold Glove Hunter 48 on Dec 9, 2009 9:41 PM PST up reply actions
That is ridiculous
The Jays are waiting to see if anyone else will step up with anything similar.
Also, it would be ridiculous to give up Weaver AND Wood WITH Aybar. If anything I hear the Jays would want more prospects in replace of Saunders, not major leaguers. Aybar+Bourjos+2 pitching prospects (Reckling+Walden)?
by lightupthehalo29 on Dec 9, 2009 9:45 PM PST up reply actions
I'd rather give up
ANYONE in the minors rather than Reckling…I’ve been keeping my eye on this kid since he’s been in high school in New Jersey… He will be good…TRUST ME haha…
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by Gold Glove Hunter 48 on Dec 9, 2009 9:48 PM PST up reply actions
Complete bull
They would’ve been asking for that kind of a deal in July, now, the asking price has to go down otherwise they wont get a deal done at all.
hahahaah
thank you
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by Gold Glove Hunter 48 on Dec 9, 2009 9:51 PM PST reply actions
SOOOOOOOOO glad
Napoli wasn’t involved in the offer.
Anywho, the Jays would be crazy not to take this offer.
id rather have
napoli in the deal than aybar
by OMG!! on Dec 9, 2009 10:08 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
I don't
I still think with 500+ at bats Nap will hit 40 hrs, 85+ rbi, and a .300+ avg.
I would miss Aybar but I feel that we’ll end up needing a bat like Nap’s.
i'm highly dubious of Naps hitting + .300 avg
by mastermind565 on Dec 9, 2009 10:18 PM PST up reply actions
So you'd rather have Black Hole Mathis in the line-up every day?
10 good postseason ABs does not exactly make up for or surpass what will be 500+ terrible regular season gaping-hole-AB’s if Napoli is dealt.
RIP Nick Adenhart.
"When the Babe tries to call his shot, I hope Nick puts one in his ear."
--RallyMonkey5
NL teams can win the world series with just 8 quality batters...
Why can’t we!
(laughing out loud while I type it, but serious nonetheless)
by lightupthehalo29 on Dec 9, 2009 10:46 PM PST up reply actions
He already freaking did
For the first half of the season.
Im saying the reason why he is getting into slumps is because of lack of consistent starts.
This is the most insane shit i've ever read.
Napoli’s bat is dogshit. He’s always been a horrible batter, especially at contact, but he’s had some bloops in his career that has made everyone bob on his knob.
O V E R R A T E D
Oh man, haha, napoli putting up 40 hrs and plus 300… dude is gonna be a hall of famer soon.
What do you need a fancy suit for, Charlie, you ain't got no job to wear it to.
by clover_black on Dec 10, 2009 12:31 AM PST up reply actions
the angels or mlb in general?
’cause i can rattle off a couple of names where we have seen a dude with this kind of power in both cases.
"come on, eileen."
ooooh.
that makes it clearer. yeah, napoli does have some kind of power but the guy goes on too many cold/hot streaks and it seems like his cold streaks are always longer than his hot.
"come on, eileen."
Yes
But IMO he gets into slumps because of his inconsistent playing time, thus, if he has a full season under his belt he’ll tear it up. Just a thought.
Halladay is a 20 game winner with a team like the Jays
With a team like the Angels, he could be a 25 game winner.
by TheAntiSox on Dec 9, 2009 10:06 PM PST reply actions 2 recs
+1
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by SenorChuckles on Dec 9, 2009 10:08 PM PST up reply actions
none of my business, but how old are you
by mastermind565 on Dec 9, 2009 10:09 PM PST up reply actions
ROFL.
18…
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by SenorChuckles on Dec 9, 2009 10:11 PM PST up reply actions
ouch cheapshot :(
Lowell to Rangers? The Boston Harold appears to say the deal is done.
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by SenorChuckles on Dec 9, 2009 10:14 PM PST up reply actions
Who's Harold? And when did he move to Boston?
And is he the only one there? ;-D
For that matter, if he’s the one I’m thinking of, weren’t he and Kumar in Amsterdam last we checked?
RIP Nick Adenhart.
"When the Babe tries to call his shot, I hope Nick puts one in his ear."
--RallyMonkey5
ahh shits about to hit the fan in the 3rd installment.
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by SenorChuckles on Dec 9, 2009 10:46 PM PST up reply actions
There’s no way the yanks and sox are bidding on Halladay after the yanks grabbed Granderson and are still looking at Holliday. The Sox have bigger worries in resigning Bay or finding a 3B replacement (Beltre?) for Lowell.
We’re bidding against ourselves here…. Ayber should NOT be apart of this deal. Halladay is going to want CC type of money and if we give it to him prepare for all of us to be outpriced of our seats starting in 2011.
Hope this trade doesn’t go through for the sake of our 2012+ seasons…
Well the Phillies might still be a contender for him
He supposedly wants to go there.
I think about this sort of thing myself
As much as the Angel fan in me sees all these big money free agents and think “sign ’em! Give ’em anything they want!”, I understand the need for a business to balance payroll while keeping costs down for the fans as opposed to just passing it all on to them in higher ticket and concession prices. I have a friend who lives in New York and is a Yankee fan and says “I’m proud of my Yankees. I just wish I could afford to go to a damn game”. lol
by Hoppity Hooper on Dec 10, 2009 7:57 AM PST up reply actions
-1
I like Wood, I dont prefer Wood over Aybar, but its not my call.
They want power. We want respect...
by SenorChuckles on Dec 9, 2009 10:17 PM PST up reply actions
hmmmm
we haven’t seen what wood can do, he’s pretty much 50/50 but aybar has proven himself a gold glove shortstop
dont read too much into it.
its just my opinion.
They want power. We want respect...
by SenorChuckles on Dec 9, 2009 10:22 PM PST up reply actions
Ideally we keep both, but the team probably figures Wood's got greater power potential and still tremendous upside
Remember he’s 24-25 and has never had consistent playing time in the majors, so you can’t read anything into his relative lack of success in the majors thus far. Remember, we were having the same doubts about Aybar as recently as the beginning of this season.
RIP Nick Adenhart.
"When the Babe tries to call his shot, I hope Nick puts one in his ear."
--RallyMonkey5
+1
although i have pretty much decided i am 50.1% for it
2009 Angels Season: Let's Do This For Nick
by trojanangelfan on Dec 9, 2009 10:39 PM PST up reply actions
soooo
who’s freakin stoked for the Angels gnome on 5/25??
i want Halladay, but the loss of Figgins I thought would mean Ayber as are lead off hitter
by Ca1IFORNIA ANGELS on Dec 10, 2009 12:02 AM PST reply actions
I'm only 3 and a half years old.
Bugs Bunny reference.
1 line siggy line because I was asked nicely. Go Angels! helpfindscottajob@gmail.com
Both polls, here and on Bluebird banter...
…are running 52:47 in favour of the trade
I see red people
Who knows if this means anything in the end, but
according to ESPN, a source close to Halladay said “I think he’d go there if it’s a trade,” the source said. “But I don’t see him signing there [long term].”
Also that “I don’t see him blindly signing with the team that makes the trade. Let’s put it that way,” the source said. “Money isn’t going to be enough to get it done. For him, the chance of winning is more important than anything.”
Well, he's not coming here without an extension
We’re not giving up 2 quality guys and a good prospect for a 1 year rental. Reagin’s isn’t dumb.
"Well make more fuckin' money. This is America. You don't make money, then you're a fuckin' douchebag." - Mr French "The Departed"
"You gotta have nuts." - Torii Hunter
by Commander_Nate on Dec 10, 2009 9:02 AM PST up reply actions
Let's hope so
That Reagins is not dumb enough to make this trade for one year of halladay
by OMG!! on Dec 10, 2009 3:37 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
ummmmmmm
10:00pm: Angels GM Tony Reagins didn’t comment on the reported offer of Saunders, Aybar and Bourjos, but two sources shot the rumor down when Mike DiGiovanna of the LA Times asked them about it.
Reagins said the Blue Jays have targeted Saunders, Bourjos and Mike Napoli. It’s even “possible” that the deal could be expanded to send more Blue Jays to Anaheim.
“They have a lot of pieces that are attractive,” Reagins said.
ummmm
why did we put aybar?????
Hmmm, based on that
looks like they want Napoli instead of Aybar.
Not sure how I feel about that.
I'd be more comfortable with Nap being offered.
We can find another DH and Catcher, although I do love Naps.
I’d especially like this deal if it included more players coming to us, like say a utility guy. Dunno what the Jays have in that regard.
"Well make more fuckin' money. This is America. You don't make money, then you're a fuckin' douchebag." - Mr French "The Departed"
"You gotta have nuts." - Torii Hunter
by Commander_Nate on Dec 10, 2009 11:55 PM PST up reply actions
Nap other than Aybar I mean.
"Well make more fuckin' money. This is America. You don't make money, then you're a fuckin' douchebag." - Mr French "The Departed"
"You gotta have nuts." - Torii Hunter
by Commander_Nate on Dec 10, 2009 11:55 PM PST up reply actions
Why do we need another utility guy?
We have Izturis for the IF and Willits for the OF. They should give us a lefty reliever. Scott Downs?
by lightupthehalo29 on Dec 11, 2009 12:37 AM PST up reply actions
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