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Player Projections and Sean Smith - Part One

Part One:

I've written a few articles using player projections to forecast team and player performances for the upcoming season, but I'll be the first to admit that I am far from being a statistics or projection expert.  I thought it might be interesting to take a look at player projections, not the projections themselves, but the history of predicting a player's performance and methods to obtain those predictions, and to talk with SEAN SMITH a leading player projection creator (who also happens to be a big Angels' fan).

I first noticed player projections in the mid-'80's while reading the first Bill James / Stats Inc. Player Handbook.  I was a die-hard fantasy baseball addict and noticed the book had published James' projection for the forthcoming season.  Any tool to help dominate fantasy baseball is worth looking into, especially one that could predict which players were going to breakout or suffer a decline in production.  Having accurate player projection information would absolutely give a person an advantage in league domination.  James' method for player projections was based on the similarity scores of comparable players.  Basically, James' system works by looking at previous player's stats that are comparable to the player being projected at the same age.  By analyzing the results of future seasons for the comparable players, career trends are identified and used to project performance.  To quote the Wikipedia entry for similarity scores,

"...players often follow similar career trajectories to their most similar players, so the historical similar players' performance in years after the active player's current age should be a good predictor of that active player's future production."

Another method to predict future player performance is one used by Sean Smith who been doing player projections since November of 2005, "Casey Kotchman was my first projection, when the team was contemplating signing Paul Konerko.  Casey didn't do anything in 2006, but the projection and commentary fits well with his 2005-2008 seasons (link to story)"Now Smith's projections are one of three projections featured on the popular website FanGraphsSean's method (named CHONE projections after Angel's player Chone Figgins) uses previous players performance to predict future stats.

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 "I don't look at comparable players.  I've never been sold on the advantage of doing so, as I don't think that the stats we use can really determine how similar two players are, and even if they did whether we can really say that a player will follow the trajectory of his similar players."  Sean stated when asked about the two methods.  He added, "I'd hate to penalize a player just because he has similar statistics to a couple of players who snorted their way out of the league with cocaine.  I think the people who use similarity scores try to get the sample large enough to reduce this problem, but I don't trust the method, and my results are as accurate as anyone's, so it's not like I need to embrace the idea to keep up."

The CHONE system takes into account many factors, "I look at the last 4 years of stats, adjust for ballparks and age, apply regression, and use some external characteristics (player weight and speed scores) to fine tune the results" said Sean, adding "I am considering adding batted ball data (grounders/ flyballs / line drives / popups into the equations for hitters.  I already do this for pitchers.  Last year I did that for major league pitchers, this year I'm doing it for minor league pitchers as well."

Anyone with a spreadsheet can come up with projections, but getting the numbers right is the hard part.  Based on an unbiased study of four projection systems (CHONE, Baseball Prospectus’s PECOTA, Hardball Times, and Dan Szymborski’s ZiPS) done by Tom Tango (who also creates a player projections called Marcel), the CHONE system proved to provide the most accurate projections,  "By this measure, all three systems beat PECOTA.  And Chone simply trounced PECOTA.  It’s hard to tell with the absolute errors, but this head-to-head, which is REALLY what we want anyway, makes things crystal clear", stated Tango on his website.

However, basing a systems accuracy on which players the projections got right or how many missed can be misleading, "Being right or wrong on a particular projection means little.  If you project over 1000 players as I do (this year I've done about 3500) you are going to be dead on ninja accurate on some, and horribly off on others.  Like the Kotchman projection from 2005-2006.  I judge the system as a whole."

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if you want it to be read, break it up into more readable, less blocky snippits of reading.

Not trying to be negative, but huge blocks of text like this instantly turn readers away.

Even in the article is longer length wise, people are more likely to read it if its broken up into 2-3 sentence blocks, then with shiny stats inbetween.

I brought sexy back, but they only gave me store credit....

by PhiSlamma on Feb 10, 2009 6:06 PM PST reply actions  

You mean more like this?

I was uncool before uncool was cool.

by WiHaloFan on Feb 10, 2009 6:33 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

lol

12/19/08 - Thank you KLJ for coming into my life.

by norcaliangelsfan on Feb 10, 2009 6:57 PM PST up reply actions  

One club two club

Red Club (Angels)
Blue Club (Doyers)

Black club (NYY)
Blue Club (Tex)
Old club (Bosux)
New club (T-Bay)

Angels fan since '67

by red floyd on Feb 10, 2009 7:22 PM PST up reply actions  

It goes better like this

One club two club
Red Club (Angels)
Blue (Doyers)

Black club (NYY)
Blue Club (Tex)
Old club (Bosux)
New (T-Bay)

Put Kendry Morales at 1B, and move Sean Rodriguez to 3B......NOW LETS GO WIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

by acuda27 on Feb 10, 2009 7:44 PM PST up reply actions  

yup......the doc screwed it up too...lol jk

Put Kendry Morales at 1B, and move Sean Rodriguez to 3B......NOW LETS GO WIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

by acuda27 on Feb 11, 2009 2:06 AM PST up reply actions  

I'm gonna be honest

I don’t really care for the snippety posts. I would rather something like this in paragraph format than in I-have-self-diagnosed-OCD-and-need-everything-short-and-sweet. I dont read things for aesthetic pleasure, but for the enjoyment of reading.

But I’m also probably in the minority in the fact that I enjoy reading, so take that with a grain of salt.

As for the article, I’ve recently been unsatisfied with PECOTA projections the past several years since they seem overly pessimistic about the Angels (but its good since the Angels keep proving them wrong), so its nice to find there are other player projections out there. I’m gonna have to read up on these CHONE projections.

by linkbruin on Feb 10, 2009 7:01 PM PST up reply actions  

General rule of blogging is 500 words...

If it needs to be lengthy then 800 max. Rarely will me or many other people reach anything much longer.

by BryanHarvey'sMoustache on Feb 10, 2009 6:30 PM PST reply actions  

Then don't bother reading it...

Done and done.

Attention span, anyone?

Not picking just on you BHM – just using your post as a jumping off point.

by jimmuscomp on Feb 11, 2009 12:54 AM PST up reply actions  

Pop Vs. Jazz

Are you trying to sell a million albums or get your cd purchased by three snobs in Stockholm?

Not picking on you Jim, well, alright, picking on you Jim.

by Rev Halofan on Feb 11, 2009 2:52 AM PST up reply actions  

Three snobs, please.

I tried the “pop” thing too – no one bought that either…

by jimmuscomp on Feb 11, 2009 8:55 AM PST up reply actions  

Hm

I’d suggest putting a little more in the intro. I almost completely missed this entry.
First paragraph prehaps.

== Resident Point Tallier ==

by scottnak on Feb 10, 2009 10:35 PM PST reply actions  

I'm still waiting for your first drunk post.

These new editors all seem so perfect.

Recipient of the 2008 "The Iron Man" award from scottnak of Halos Heaven!

by 44FAN on Feb 11, 2009 10:51 AM PST reply actions  

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