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Mariners' Prospect Performances vs. Halos

I had some time this weekend to return to my former project of reviewing the various AL West farm systems with a simple performance / age scoring metric. In previous posts, I used the system to show how scary good Texas could be in a couple of years, and suggested that Oakland might be overrated.  This week, I take a look at the Mariners.

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After the Halos' held up so well against more highly touted Oakland, I expected Seattle to lag behind. I was wrong: Seattle's top 30 prospect performances outscored the Halos' top performances by 3%, and Oakland's by over 2%. I knew about on-the-cusp studs Jeff Clement, Wladimir Balentien and Brandon Morrow, and phenom Carlos Triunfel, but there is a lot more to like about the Mariners' system. They have good, high ceiling young arms down in the lower minors, and a mix of solid position prospects, especially outfielders, working their way up the system. Here's the list of the combined ten top performers: 

Angels - Will Smith, sp, 19. Rk   k/inning: 1.04   k/bb:12.67   go/ao: 1.30

Mariners - Nolan Diaz, sp, 17.5. VSL   k/inning: .66   k/bb: 9.75   go/ao: 1.78

Angels - Sean Rodriguez, U, 23. AAA. OPS: 1.042

Mariners - Carlos Triunfel, ss/3b, 18.5. A+. OPS: .742

Mariners - Cesar Jiminez, rp, 24. AAA   k/inning: 1.24   k/bb: 5.88   go/ao: 1.28

Angels - Brandon Wood, ss/3b, 23. AAA. OPS: .971

Mariners - Matt Tulasosopo, 3b, 22. AAA OPS: 0.817

Mariners - Greg Halman, cf, 21. AA OPS: .854 


Angels - Baudilio Lopez, sp, 17.5. Dom   k/inning: 1.24   k/bb: 4.65   go/ao: 1.45

Angels - Jordan Walden, sp, 20. A+   k/inning: 0.90   k/bb: 2.52   go/ao: 2.11

Other noteworthy Mariners' performances came from AAA second baseman Luis Valbuena, rookie league pitcher Jose Rios, and Venezuelan Summer League Erasmo Ramirez.

Five of the top ten, and sixteen of the top thirty prospects in the combined Halos/Mariners list are Mariners. While the Mariners' scores were helped by their FO's tendency to place better prospects against older competition - as a group, their cumulative years under league average totaled 30% more than their Halos counterparts - it's clear that they've got some legitimate talent emerging.  It's unlikely that a critical mass of their best guys will be in place by 2010, due both to dumb FA contracts blocking younger talent and the fact that some of the best players are years away, but I would not be surprised to see the Mariners become dangerous again around 2011 or so, as long as Bavasi's legacy doesn't continue to inflict too much of a handicap on the club.

Some notes about the system: due to the Halos' signing of Bobby Abreu and Wood's consequent loss of MLB at-bats, I put the latter back into the system. Also, I'm going to create a combined list of the AL West's top performances later in the week, though I'm changing the scoring metric somewhat to use league OPS+ instead of a straight OPS measure. That could change rankings slightly.

 

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Assuming you mean Bavasi's past moves...

since he is no longer with the club as of 6/16/2008:
LINK – to – STORY

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as long as Bavasi doesn’t continue to saddle the club with too big of a handicap.

by Downing Rules on Feb 16, 2009 12:46 PM PST reply actions  

Good call

Grammar can be such a pain…

by rghan on Feb 16, 2009 1:57 PM PST up reply actions  

Well, they also get to hit in that microwave.

And they’re pretty good at it. If they can combine their current offense with even league average pitchers (who don’t have to throw up league average numbers, just pitch the way an average pitcher would in that environment), then watch out.

by rghan on Feb 16, 2009 2:34 PM PST up reply actions  

I've been "watching" since 1972

And I guess I’ll be watching their unparalleled futility until 2072.

by PieceOfAase on Feb 16, 2009 3:59 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

rec'd

love the screen name btw. always have…

by BryanHarvey'sMoustache on Feb 16, 2009 9:05 PM PST up reply actions  

lets not get cocky

their offense + league average pitching > our pitching + our below average offense

by ihearhowie2.0 on Feb 16, 2009 3:52 PM PST up reply actions  

No, I think howie2.0 means greater than…meaning if the Rangers ever got league average pitching (it is likely league worst-pitching by my best uneducated guess), they would be better than the Halos.

It is a fairly decent argument that the Rangers would be better than the Angels if their entire pitching staff was even a tad better than they are.

by Downing Rules on Feb 16, 2009 4:05 PM PST up reply actions  

nope, no typo

hypothetical of course, but lets be real here. If they were to somehow come into a webb/halladay type pitching talent who kept hits on the ground and surrounded that ace with one more quality arm and just some average guys…theyd be an extremely good team. We can talk about the park all we want, but they play 50% of their games on the road as well.

our pitching is great, but if our offense continues to be below average, theres really not much margin for error there. So my point was just that their offense is so good that even just an average staff would have about as much if not more margin for error as our superior staff currently has with bad offense. Is us scoring 3 and giving up 2 per game that different than scoring 6 and giving up 5? What if they keep scoring 6 and only give up 4? who wins more games?

by ihearhowie2.0 on Feb 16, 2009 5:32 PM PST up reply actions  

Screw even walking outside when its 110 degrees

much less pitching for 7 innings and staying effective.

Texas may never get pitching unless they install a giant snowmaker in center. (which would be in play.)

I brought sexy back, but they only gave me store credit....

by PhiSlamma on Feb 16, 2009 4:40 PM PST reply actions  

Where would Josh Fields fit in on this list?

The college arm that they signed today, not the ChiSox 3rd baseman.

replacement level analysis

by 442 on Feb 16, 2009 8:38 PM PST reply actions  

This is based strictly on last year's performance.

No stat line, no placement. It’s all numbers driven.

by rghan on Feb 17, 2009 7:55 AM PST up reply actions  

That is the crazy thing about Texas and having a Texas owner...

You have a team that hasn’t had a winning season since 1999 and is basically one of the most unsuccessful teams in all of baseball and yet, with a Texas owner, that damn Texas pride gets in the way and hell if that team is ever going to fold or move on to a more playable city (or at least build a dome!)

And if some of you are thinking how the Oilers left Houston:

Bud Adams = born in Oklahoma

Hicks: Pt. Arthur, TX.

by BryanHarvey'sMoustache on Feb 16, 2009 9:15 PM PST reply actions  

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