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Larry H. Miller, the owner of the Salt Lake City Bees, died at the age of 64 today. He had recently had complications from Type 2 diabetes. Miller also owned the Jazz and famously blocked Brokeback Mountain from playing in movie theaters he owned.

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Now is the time

to swap names with the New Orleans Hornets and the Utah Jazz.

by Rev Halofan on Feb 20, 2009 5:38 PM PST reply actions  

right because when i think of jazz music...

the first place that comes to mind is salt lake city. i can’t tell you how many times i’ve walked the hard streets of salt lake and was overwhelmed by an abundance of street musicians playing for loose change or a buck here and there.

by thejd on Feb 20, 2009 6:00 PM PST reply actions  

So

what happens with the Bees? Who will become the new owner? Does Arte have anything to do with it?

Give the young guns a chance...if they suck wellll...

by angelskid2210 on Feb 20, 2009 6:04 PM PST reply actions  

RIP Mr. Miller...

…thoughts and prayers go out to the family.

Besides, you know what a cautious fellow I am.

by ArkAngel on Feb 20, 2009 6:32 PM PST reply actions  

did you even read the entire note?

blocked brokeback mountain from being screened in his theaters. I deduced he was either a homophobe or vehemently anti-cowboy

by ihearhowie2.0 on Feb 20, 2009 7:11 PM PST up reply actions  

Just cuz you block a movie with 2 men kissing in your theater doesn't make you a homophobe...

It just means you don’t want to show that…. Of course if he thinks that’s wrong than yes he should probably cut out 99%of the other movies…

Just saying though don’t judge him as a homophobe for that…

Show 'em your a panther... Show 'em what you can do....

by stuck in Romania on Feb 21, 2009 5:05 AM PST up reply actions  

I really hope....

…when I die….I’ll be remembered for the best of me…and not the worst.

Especially by people who don’t even know me.

Besides, you know what a cautious fellow I am.

by ArkAngel on Feb 20, 2009 7:56 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

youre probably right

we should probably remember klan members too for the good parts of their lives and just act like the rest never happened.

by ihearhowie2.0 on Feb 20, 2009 8:12 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

So, let's see if we got this right...

You are putting Larry Miller on roughly the same moral plane as those that terrorized black citizens ( public lynchings of innocent civilians, buring of homes and churches, violent denial of basic rights) because he didn’t want to show a film in theaters he owned?

You are joking, right?

by sothball on Feb 20, 2009 8:58 PM PST up reply actions  

hyperbole yes, joking not at all

i was responding to the idea that we should only remember people for the good things they did and ignore the bad things.

ask a homosexual if they think its no big deal that this guy refused to screen a movie because it depicted homosexuality as normal. How would we respond if he refused to show a movie that celebrated MLK or malcolm X? Or was pro-Palestine? Im sorry, but using your power as an owner to push intolerance is not something i personally think is no big deal.

by ihearhowie2.0 on Feb 20, 2009 9:24 PM PST up reply actions  

Your "hyperbole" of roughly equating the 2...

…equally degrades the memory of Larry Miller (apparently your intention), while elevating the memory of the KKK. That is (almost) disgusting beyond words.
You cited absolutely nothing above about Larry Miller that should engender the passionate hatred I have for the KKK.
Refusing to show a movie about gays does not rise anywhere near the level of terror and pure evil visited upon people of color by the remnants of Nathan Bedford Forrest’s “army”.

 Are you truly unable to distinguish degrees of good and evil? Are you really that distinction-challenged? I sure hope I am wrong.

by sothball on Feb 21, 2009 8:07 AM PST up reply actions  

so what you are saying is

never say how you really feel if you want people to lament your death.

by Rev Halofan on Feb 20, 2009 10:00 PM PST up reply actions  

Is that what I'm saying?

I really don’t think so. But then, I’m not sure what point you’re trying to make here, Rev.

Are you saying that Larry Miller voiced his opinion and we should not be judging him from this side of mortality? Well, that doesn’t make any sense to me, and as someone with as hard-edged an opinion as I know you to be, having viewed your opinions on Youtube, I don’t see why you would be suggesting we should shut up about anything. You’ve made your reputation by being forthright with your impressions and assessments, withholding the reservations that most people would. Heck, that’s who you are here on HH, that’s who you are in the art world.

I don’t feel the need to trod on Miller’s grave as a statement. I check this site 50 times a day. I held my tongue until someone else cast the first stone, and kept my mudball in my fist until people started heaping clumps of stupid. I have no interest in fighting with this man beyond the grave. Hell, my father (a fairweather Dodger fan) has opinions equally as ignorant. He let’s Fox News form his opinions for him. What can I do? We fight the good fight at home and in the metaspaces.

Are you saying that the opinions of the dead are sacrosanct? I know you can’t be saying that, as anyone on the HH could provide arguments against such an assertion.

Do you compulsively feel the need to defend anyone who owns an Angel farm franchise? I guess I can understand that compulsion, being that this has been one of your “One Things” since you saw Ryan hurl as a child.

Another possibility is that right now it’s just the sake from Hirozen talking, and I’m completely mistaking your meaning. I don’t think so, unfortunately.

I think what you’re trying to say is “this man is a part of our franchise, our freaking quasi-religion, and you should show him some respect rather than kick him when he’s dead.” On the one hand, yeah. Because, like I said, I wasn’t going to say a word. But when others decided to try and defend the worst parts of his personality, the part of me that hates hypocrisy just can’t be silenced. And I’d have been a hypocrite if I hadn’t said something to those who tried to defend anachronistic stupidity and hatred. Should have let it lie.

We all have people in our lives with less-informed world views than ours. Most of them are in our own families. We don’t talk about it, and we don’t out them. Because they’re family. Whether their stupid opinions be ethnically charged or sexually or whatever. We just tend to consider that our own business to let fall away. So be it.

But if you try to make some asinine justification for someone’s hatred of black people or gays or whatever, f***ing gloves are off, man.

"I've got more action than my man John Woo
And I've got mad hits like I was Rod Carew" - Shure Shot, The Beastie Boys

by Zoe Necrosis on Feb 20, 2009 10:59 PM PST up reply actions  

I was agreeing with you

I was pointing out that one’s actions and stances inevitably follow one around and that we are rightfully held accountable – even at death- to how we behave.

by Rev Halofan on Feb 21, 2009 12:42 AM PST up reply actions  

You were agreeing with me?

Well, no wonder I was losing my mind last night.

"I've got more action than my man John Woo
And I've got mad hits like I was Rod Carew" - Shure Shot, The Beastie Boys

by Zoe Necrosis on Feb 21, 2009 5:34 AM PST up reply actions  

I read both your posts above...

..lots of words, lots of passion, not a lot of thought.

But, I will leave it at this…if an organization started to develop who’s goal was to do to gays what the KKK did to black people (not very likely…gays and gay organizations have tremendous political, social and economic power), then I will join you in the front lines to fight with “gloves off”.

by sothball on Feb 21, 2009 8:32 AM PST up reply actions  

rec'd

I’ll donate my February and March f-bombs, if that helps.

by jjackflash on Feb 20, 2009 11:54 PM PST up reply actions  

Eric Holder doesn't mind the comparison

seeing as the attorney general of the united states just said we are all cowards when it comes to talking about race, I feel a little more latitude in pointing out that you are scolding people for even bringing up race at all and hiding behind the “inadequate comparison” canard.

And I know a Klan Vs. Homphobe comparison was out of left field here, but what you are spelling out here is that discussing race is just off limits and I – and the attorney general of the united states – think that is cowardly.

And sure you discussed race – from an almost hysterical point of view, and you discussed it in such terrible scary terms as I believe you sought to ensure that it was thusly made unttouchably sensitive and therefore impossible to discuss.

by Rev Halofan on Feb 21, 2009 12:46 AM PST up reply actions  

Some of the posts above are why it is hard to discuss anything controversial.

Don’t want to show Brokeback Mountan? Well you are automatically labeled (homophobe in this case), and the discussion ends.
I am not sure of the purpose, but the effect is to shut down dialogue, not enhance it. It is un-American to stifle discussion in this manner. This is tyrannical…either agree with everything my group wants/believes, or you are (insert your label…racist, sexist, homophobic, Islamophobic…).
I do not intend to surrender my liberty that easily…

by sothball on Feb 21, 2009 11:59 AM PST up reply actions  

Tortoise and the Hare ...

was a good race. There, I discussed race freely and without fear.

by Downing Rules on Feb 21, 2009 7:54 PM PST up reply actions  

DR, I love your comments...

when the conversation gets a bit too serious, you drop in a bit of levity.

Thanks for that!

by sothball on Feb 21, 2009 8:03 PM PST up reply actions  

we have enough to stress us out in our everyday lives...why bring that shit here where we are trying to escape that stress?

by Downing Rules on Feb 21, 2009 8:11 PM PST up reply actions  

I had said “thanks” above my comment BTW… not sure why it truncated after pressing “post”.

So, once again…. Thanks.

by Downing Rules on Feb 21, 2009 8:12 PM PST up reply actions  

That is why they call it taking a stand

when you drop dead, they talk about where you stood.

by Rev Halofan on Feb 20, 2009 8:58 PM PST up reply actions  

rec'd.

its okay to make fun of people who are dead too.

by BryanHarvey'sMoustache on Feb 20, 2009 9:42 PM PST up reply actions  

Wow

I think I just picked up on the average moral code of this blog.

Really sad guys.

Besides, you know what a cautious fellow I am.

by ArkAngel on Feb 20, 2009 10:09 PM PST reply actions  

Brilliant

you don’t join the conversation, you don’t make any risk of telling us how you feel, you just sit on the sidelines and tsk tsk those in the fray.

What a man.

by Rev Halofan on Feb 21, 2009 12:47 AM PST up reply actions  

Y'know...

…I’m not sure why I checked this thread tonight. I guess I wanted to see if there was anybody who actually considered memorializing this man we don’t even know instead of demonizing him.

But I’m glad I checked.

I didn’t add anything because I was waiting to see if it was worth it. If it was going to be a fistfight in here I was going to just move on. But because I chose to wait, now I’m the one being stereotyped and labeled.

I’ve only been coming to this blog for a couple of months. I’ve enjoyed it though. I’ve interacted with some great people about one of my favorite subjects to discuss, the Los Angeles Angels.

In the time I’ve been here, I’ve been active. I’ve left comments (for better or for worse), written some fanposts (for better or for worse), gotten a few polls going (including the one that is featured now). I’ve gotten into it with a couple of people, but I think we’ve agreed to disagree. I’ve checked in many times a day and generally had a great time.

My only real problem, Rev, is that the guy who runs the place is a know-it-all, judgmental, quick-tempered asshole. You’ve called me names, made fun of my posts, and now (apparently) questioned my manhood because I chose to wait a day before adding something you would consider useful. I don’t know why you’re allowed to run the site in this manner…I guess they just don’t have any other choice but you.

So I guess I’ll move on. There are other Angels blogs and maybe there are more professional hosts.

I really hope you read this, Rev. I hope somebody directs you here. And I’m sure that you and your faithful followers will have a great time raking me over the coals for…I don’t know…you’ll come up with something.

But it’s too bad. I really enjoyed it here. I just don’t feel like being treated like a jerk.

Besides, you know what a cautious fellow I am.

by ArkAngel on Feb 21, 2009 7:34 PM PST up reply actions  

so you create a new user account

so that you can continue posting here but you try to maximize the shame on me.

Nice try. Grow a pair.

by Rev Halofan on Feb 22, 2009 1:39 AM PST up reply actions  

from wiki

Brokeback Mountain

On January 6, 2006, the film Brokeback Mountain was pulled from Miller’s Megaplex 17 theater at the last minute after Miller learned from a radio reporter that the film featured a gay romance. Other R-rated films, such as the comedy Grandma’s Boy and the violent horror film Hostel were still allowed to be shown. As a result, the business was accused of exhibiting bias against homosexuality.

The cancellation brought international attention to the theater. The Gay Lesbian Bisexual Transgender Community Center of Utah and other gay rights groups urged its members to avoid patronizing Miller’s various businesses. Jay Leno joked about the incident on The Tonight Show.

Miller later explained the cancellation, saying that he was concerned about “getting away from the traditional families”, what he called “a very dangerous thing.” Miller noted that several individuals purchased automobiles from his dealerships as a form of support for the decision. He also expressed regret for any feelings that were hurt as a result.7

In 2007, after former-Jazz player John Amaechi announced he was coming out, Miller said that he had made a bad decision in pulling Brokeback Mountain. He described his decision as a “knee-jerk reaction” and said that he would probably allow the film to be shown if faced with the same decision again; however he said he was not sure how he would react to an openly gay player on his basketball team.8

"People ask me what I do in winter when there's no baseball. I'll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring".
Rogers Hornsby

by ladybug on Feb 21, 2009 12:40 PM PST reply actions  

How did this post turn into all this talk?

Larry H. Miller, a hero to many Utahns died Friday night here in Salt Lake City. If you care enough to know anything about him, please read this article:

His charitable work and philanthropy made him a legend. He was also responsible for keeping the Utah Jazz in Utah as well as re-establishing the AAA Buzz/Stingers/Bees franchise among many other things.

He was not without faults, but he was always opinionated and frank about his views. In a world where so many are fearful to take a stand or pick a side, Larry H. Miller was not one of those people.

I don’t know how this FanShot turned into a dicussion about race, the Klan and homophobia. That’s ridiculous. If you want to debate that crap, find some other place to do it.

Tex is a Yank...now our counter move is what?

by hk47 on Feb 23, 2009 10:19 AM PST reply actions  

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