Why does PECOTA hate Kendry
Not a plug, a solicitation: Do you think PECOTA has a blind spot when it comes to Kendry, and if so, what is it? I tend to mistrust PECOTA on unique-type players, so is there something that makes Kendry unique? Projects .253/.295/.389 w/ 11 homers this year.
almost 3 years ago
Sam Miller OCR
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The reasoN:
If PECOTA or some other system like it would simply factor in MLE (Minor League Equivalency) there would be no problem.
Kendry’s playing time in the majors has been sporadic, especially last season. His long 2006 stretch was after almost no AAA seasoning.
Morales has not had a traditional development in the sense that it can be quantified in a measurable manner that renders a prediction by traditional methods even possible.
MLE's --
It does
Saving countless runs with my defense.
by Sam Miller OCR on Feb 26, 2009 5:47 AM PST up reply actions
im more curious about how often PECOTA blows a projection
because its obviously not in their best interest to tell you
for instance
what did PECOTA project for Carlos Quentin last year? Im guessing it wasnt close
by ihearhowie2.0 on Feb 25, 2009 6:47 PM PST up reply actions
My favorite projection:
Look at what they had for Andruw Jones going into last season. In all reality, who could have guessed it would be THAT awful, but even .225/.286/.300 would have been better…
by MidwayCityLivestock on Feb 26, 2009 9:39 AM PST up reply actions
god it better not be right
hes on my fantasy team and that would be a disappoint
by BryanHarvey'sMoustache on Feb 25, 2009 7:14 PM PST reply actions
i was wondering who picked him up
Kotch would've had that.
by howiestheman on Feb 25, 2009 10:48 PM PST up reply actions
The thing with PECOTA...
They give the average and a Top 15% and Bottom 15%, right?
They are covering their bases. Kendry doesn’t walk much, so the Isolated walk rate seems pretty reasonable. But that SLG will be quite a bit higher.
PECOTA is banking on him not hitting for a high average, while Acuda and others expect him to hit .280 or higher. I think that PECOTA has as good a chance as being right as Acuda and the like – you just don’t know. .253 is low, but I could see him hitting .260-ish – that wouldn’t be too much better than PECOTA on the OBP front, but again, that SLG is way too low.
I tend to think that he is going to turn in a decent season – but nothing earth shattering. His lack of plate discipline will cost him with big slumps…
Something like .270/.315/440 seems like a fair prediction.
He could perform better and get somethings like: .290/.340/.460 and then you have a decent player.
Splitting the difference between those two is probably fair: .280/.330/.440. That is a .770 OPS which isn’t great, but about what Kotchman was producing at the time of the trade last year – that’s about what I expect to see this year. Best case scenario is that Kendry puts up a couple of GA-like seasons (vintage 2002 or 2003) at his peak – but time will tell.
Jim Scully
Bill
Pecota is the A-1 system when it comes to projecting established major league talent.
It only breaks down in 2 places that I know about:
1. Where a major leaguer has a major power sapping injury that he played with, but is now fully healed. (possibly like Griffey Jr.)
2. Minor leaguers with very little MLB time. Some rookies just crap the bed when they hit the big boy league (at first), and some seem to have been almost bored in the minors (like we hope is the case with Kendry). Kendry seemed to do the best in the toughest spots, so there is hope for him, but we need to be ready with a plan B (and not a plan Q). Maybe one of our OF can learn to play 1B.
I believe Juan Rivera
Learned some 1B last season when he was recovering. Perhaps he’ll fill in?
Light Up That Halo!
I've read that elsewhere as well
Though I don’t have a link. It would be a good way to keep Juan’s bat in the lineup if we want to DH Naps occasionally. If his defense is at least adequate, it’d be a much better option than Quinlan.
there does not exist a better option than the Q
Robby “Pujols” Quinlan is truly being robbed by this whole Morales sitch
by ihearhowie2.0 on Feb 26, 2009 8:27 AM PST up reply actions
Not to mention
Learning 2B!!!
Angels fan since '67
by red floyd on Feb 25, 2009 10:45 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
PECOTA - and other projection systems - seriously discount what happens in the PCL
A Halos prospect would have to hit something like .400 in Utah to project to hit .300 in the big leagues (I’m exaggerating only slightly). I think it’s a flaw in their algorithm, frankly, driven by the Halos’ string of mediocre offensive debuts by position players who had schooled the PCL (Napoli and Willits excepted).
The system projects smaller losses of BA from players coming out of lower levels in the minors – for example, according to PECOTA’s VORP projection, Clay Fuller and Kendry Morales will have approximately the same offensive value. I’m high on Clay, but not that high!
The CHONE system
is the A+ projection system. www.baseballprojection.com
I really am not comfortable bragging. There is really little difference in projection systems. But when people start bragging on PECOTA, I take issue. The evidence that it’s better than anything else is that they cherry pick their best projections and throw them on the back cover. My system has been just as accurate, if not more so.
It’s your choice Angel fans, take the system developed by an Angel fan that has predicted the last 2 division titles, or stick with PECOTA, that has underprojected the Angel win totals by a combined 45 games from 2004-2008.
by RallyMonkey5 on Feb 27, 2009 6:28 AM PST up reply actions
This just in....
Acuda is threatening to mutilate and decapitate all people associated with PECOTA!
Peanuts...Get your Overpriced Peanuts!
by Angel Hawker on Feb 25, 2009 8:32 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
Operation "SPOON" has been activated
LOL
Put Kendry Morales at 1B, and move Sean Rodriguez to 3B......NOW LETS GO WIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Not a chance.
They must at his average batting second. He won’t be batting second.
Angel Pitching, Angel Defense - get past that.
I kinda agree with those projections
Morales walks so rarely, he going to have to get lucky (I hate having to use the “L” word) and have a BABIP above average to be effective.
I was uncool before uncool was cool.
Great article over at the OC Register
Morales’ shot at being an average offensive 1st baseman rests on his ability to hit .300 over a large sample size. I think that’s far more possible than PECOTA gives him credit for, if not overwhelmingly likely.
Fear the expectation value
I like to think of projections as averages instead of predictions. PECOTA is really just taking a weighted sum of the possible outcomes, but you lose information in the process. Like, suppose that PECOTA’s sentient hyper-optimized player similarity algorithm decides that Kendry Morales has a 50% chance of being Jeff Mathis (.200 AVG) and a 50% chance of being Howie Kendrick (.300 AVG). Then his projection for next year would be:
AVG = (50%)(.200) + (50%)(.300) = .250
It looks like PECOTA is predicting that he’ll be Gary Matthew Jr, when actually he has a 50% chance of hitting .300, which I think we can all agree is much better than Gary Matthews’ chance of hitting .300. True, he has a 50% chance of totally sucking, and this is reflected in the lower projection, but you lose sight the optimistic side of the evaluation. In reality, there’s probably no chance of Kendry Morales hitting .200 over 400 or 500 ABs—if he was doing that poorly, he would be removed from the lineup after 200 or 300 ABs (Scioscia only lets his mancrush Jeff Mathis get away with hitting less than his body weight). But PECOTA can’t account for these higher-order effects and just computes anyways.
Projections for young players are going to be screwed up like this because there is such a wide range of possibilities. Technically, it’s not screwed up: this is how it’s supposed to work, but it’s much more reliable for experienced players who have already established levels of performance over the years.
by Suboptimal on Feb 26, 2009 4:43 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
okay let me try something
I semi-respect PECOTA but here is that last two sentence paragraph of yours sentence rewritten with TWO CAPITALIZED WORDS ADDED to make everyone BEWARE of predictive “systems”:
Projections for young players are going to be screwed up like this because there is such a wide range of possibilities WITH ASTROLOGY. Technically, it’s not screwed up: this is how it’s supposed to work, but it’s much more reliable for experienced players who have already established levels of performance over the years.
Get it?
Dont worry, she's a Witch with a capital "B"
Just use your pimp and to keep the hoe on check.
Put Kendry Morales at 1B, and move Sean Rodriguez to 3B......NOW LETS GO WIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
.270 Kendry Morales batting average over/under
I will take the over. No way .253. That is a 1967 Bobby Tolan Strat-O-Matic card!



























