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Reason WHY we're not interested in Manny...

Some quotes via ESPN:

"Two different baseball men have told us in the past week that Angels owner Arte Moreno is "furious" about the way Scott Boras treated his team during the  Mark Teixeira negotiations.

"Arte is ticked at Boras, and he's ticked at Teixeira," said one source. "They made one offer, and they never got a chance to make another. They were led to believe by Teixeira that he was really interested in being back there. But after they made their offer, they literally got no response. So they feel like they were lied to."

By the time the Angels knew Teixeira was signing elsewhere, it was already late December, and their Plan B (Sabathia) was also off the board. So they've wound up going through the winter without making a single addition to either their lineup or their rotation. Not quite what anybody envisioned when this offseason began. "

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/columns/story?columnist=stark_jayson&page=rumblings090206

Makes sense. Arte simply doesn't feel like doing Boras any favors. I like it.

 

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interesting....

the more info that comes out, the more sense this all makes.

Kotch would've had that.

by howiestheman on Feb 6, 2009 10:52 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

you go arte.........

12/19/08 - Thank you KLJ for coming into my life.

by norcaliangelsfan on Feb 6, 2009 11:04 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

I cna't wait to boo Teix

I have nothing important to say.

by thrill000 on Feb 6, 2009 11:04 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

i was just thinking that

what would be the most appropriate chant we could get the entire stadium behind?

My vote is for an oldie but a goodie: “ASSSSS-HOOOOLLLLEE”

by ihearhowie2.0 on Feb 6, 2009 11:05 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

il make sure i yell it at yankees stadium

Watching the Halos from Princeton University. The random Halo fan in a sea of Bosux and Skankee fans.

by princeton11loveshalos on Feb 6, 2009 12:44 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Too bad that the rest of the fans will only yell that when A-Rod is up to bat!

by Downing Rules on Feb 6, 2009 12:49 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I'm on board

Don't mess with Teix-ass or Bor-ass!

by Rally Manatee on Feb 6, 2009 4:45 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

because we're sports fans

and because the quotes above suggest that he never wanted to come here but was more than willing to mess up our offseason plans by playing us like he would consider us

by ihearhowie2.0 on Feb 6, 2009 6:37 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Good god

Now Teixeira is going out of his way to just screw the Angels over? Whose fault is it that we decided to put all our eggs in the Teixeira basket before failing miserably? Teixeira’s or ours? You can’t just go pointing random fingers of blame at people.

replacement level analysis

by 442 on Feb 6, 2009 8:32 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

GOOD GOD

sorry dude, but i can boo whoever i want. Guys who sign $180 million dollar contracts are locks to be booed. Its a bullseye. Him and Boras never even giving us a chance to re-do our offer is even more cause to boo.

by ihearhowie2.0 on Feb 6, 2009 9:14 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I did not say anything about booing

I don’t really care who you boo and who you don’t. In fact, if you read further down, I’m pretty sure that I said I’ll be booing Teixeira as well. I’m just saying it’s ridiculous that Teix’ motive was “too mess up our offseason plans”, rather than, you know, taking the most money.

replacement level analysis

by 442 on Feb 6, 2009 9:19 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

ridiculous to say that*

and

to* mess up our offseason plans

replacement level analysis

by 442 on Feb 6, 2009 9:19 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

oh i agree

i was one of the first people to say id do the exact same thing if i was mark.

but im not mark and im an angels fan. Its not like im irrationally saying i hate the guy, just simply that i will happily boo him and try to start an ASSHOLE chant because hes making 22+ million a year to play baseball for the yankees and doesnt need any sympathy or mercy

by ihearhowie2.0 on Feb 6, 2009 9:26 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Because he pretended like he wanted to be an Angel again

And then left Arte holding the bag when he ran off to the Skanks, throwing a huge wrench in the FO’s offseason plans. If he had no intention of staying here—and he didn’t—he should have been up front about it instead of screwing around with the team.

Light Up That Halo!

by Clutch on Feb 6, 2009 6:38 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Why?

By dangling the carrot, Boras was able to drive up the price and thus landing his client the best available contract. You really think we were gonna go longer and higher than what the Yanks offered him? No way…

And if so….there are ways of contacting someone if you dont hear back.

by BryanHarvey'sMoustache on Feb 6, 2009 6:59 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

No, I'm not saying that

I’m saying that Teix should not have acted as though he was actually interested in being here when he clearly was not.

Also, do you think the Halos didn’t try contacting Teix again? The beef is that the Skanks made the offer, Teix accepted because he’d decided on December 2 that he wanted to be a Skankee (while continuing to behave toward Arte and Tony that he was still interested in being a Halo again), and Tony never had a chance to counter…of course Tony dumbly pulled out too early (no pun intended).

That’s why Arte’s pissed.

Light Up That Halo!

by Clutch on Feb 6, 2009 8:25 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

well

a) Not that this is really relevant, but we had no chance in hell to match the Yankees’ money.

b) I am positive Teixeira and Boras were both interested in Teix staying with the Angels, had the Angels been the team with the most money. But you can’t expect Teixeira and Boras to camp outside Reagins’ house waiting for an offer. They’re the one with the leverage.

c) I don’t believe for a second that Tony didn’t get a chance to counteroffer. And if it is true, did he not get to counter because Boras didn’t want to speak to him, or because the Yankees’ were just so far above our heads?

replacement level analysis

by 442 on Feb 6, 2009 8:31 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Teixeira Is A Bitch!

And so is he!!!

Bottom line, his bitch decided where he was going to play. We should blame her!

"Sometimes I'm a Closer... Sometimes I make it Closer"

by Big Perm on Feb 6, 2009 9:26 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Dude

Calling out players wives is a bit beyond the line, Ithinks.

Light Up That Halo!

by Clutch on Feb 7, 2009 1:29 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Whatever

I think it was his first skankee interview and he explained how he asked his wife where he should play,,, and she said ,“i want you to be a skankee,,, just like me hunny!” Hows that “beyond the line”

No hard feeling for teix, I just want to root for players that want to be Angels.

"Sometimes I'm a Closer... Sometimes I make it Closer"

by Big Perm on Feb 7, 2009 2:02 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I don't usually...

…get upset with the guys who change teams. Even if they leave because they are offered more money. It’s hard for me to get mad at a guy who did something I would probably do.

But I think Teixeira is a tool.

I mean, we all know that Boras is a tool. He’s “just doing his job,” sure, but he’s shown with Manny and others that he won’t let a little think like scruples get in the way of making a buck.

Now, the more we know, the more obvious it becomes that Tex was just fine with that. He never planned on staying here…not for a second. But he led us on, and allowed his agent to keep the carrot dangled in front of our nose. Meanwhile we were open about the fact that he was our #1 priority…and we ended up with nothing.

So, yeah, I hope he fails miserably. And I can’t wait to boo him either.

I don't know...I'm makin' this up as I go.

by ArkAngel on Feb 6, 2009 11:07 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

Did I miss the part where Tex proclaimed his undying love for Anaheim?

I always read his opinion as satisfied with Anaheim, happy to be playing on a contender to showcase his talents for the upcoming FA lottery, hoping for a playoff slot to continue so doing, and ok with the unlikely prospect of becoming a permanent Halo should Arte throw enough money his way to overcome any/all objections.

by Stirrups on Feb 6, 2009 5:35 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

yeah but because of Teix's actions

were not getting Manny. Which must make you enormously happy. So the glass is either half full or half empty Ark.

by BryanHarvey'sMoustache on Feb 6, 2009 6:59 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Good point.

I’ll have to settle for being happy that my team is still a class organization…one that won’t put up with people who think they’re better than everyone else because they can hit a ball hard.

Thanks for pointing that out.

I don't know...I'm makin' this up as I go.

by ArkAngel on Feb 6, 2009 7:55 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Umm

Hitting a ball hard has a lot to do with winning. The purpose of this organization is to win, not to sign a bunch of nice dudes.

replacement level analysis

by 442 on Feb 6, 2009 8:26 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I'm fine with you feeling that way...

…it’d be nice if one or two people around here was fine with me feeling the way I do.

I don’t believe that sport is all about winning. I recognize that I am in the minority.

I don't know...I'm makin' this up as I go.

by ArkAngel on Feb 6, 2009 8:57 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I'm fine with you being a "good sport"

I’m wondering if the only reason you didn’t want Manny an Angel was because he’s a douche? Doe it have anything to do with him being a lousy fielder, or in your opinion just a bad ball player? I don’t know, maybe give him the benefit of doubt…maybe it wasn’t his fault he bitch-slapped the travelling sec in Boston…maybe the guy had it coming.

Manny: “Please sir, may I have a few extra tickets for some sick orphans I visited today at the hospital?”
Travelling Sec: “STFU you prima donna douche bag”
Manny: “Hey, why you hatin’ on Manny?”
(TS picks up splintered maple bat and makes a move on Manny. Manny showing superior athletic skills quickly side-steps the TS and gently throws him to the floor)
Manny: “I’m sorry, let me call you an ambulance”

I was uncool before uncool was cool.

by WiHaloFan on Feb 7, 2009 5:35 AM PST up reply actions   1 recs

LOL

That was good.

I mostly don’t want Manny because of his long record of selfishness and general douchiness. I don’t think our current LF is much of a defensive wiz, so that doesn’t enter into my thinking much.

I don't know...I'm makin' this up as I go.

by ArkAngel on Feb 7, 2009 10:50 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

If we could pull a Space Jam and just extract Manny's talent and put in a ball

And then give it to any warm body, then all our problems would be solved.

I need to go talk to Michael Jordan.

by linkbruin on Feb 8, 2009 2:32 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

we already did

we put it in Reggie Willits

Lets go angels

by anaheim angels on Feb 8, 2009 11:54 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Arte should deal directly with Manny

Tell Manny that he will make him a 3 year offer if he can negotiate directly with him and bypass Boras.

by Ajax on Feb 6, 2009 11:21 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

We're not signing Manny.

We can put all that to rest.

I don't know...I'm makin' this up as I go.

by ArkAngel on Feb 6, 2009 11:28 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Can't do that

As part of the collective bargaining agreement, teams must approach a player through his agent. No end runs. The Yankees only got around Boras when they re-signed A-Rod because A-Rod approached them.

That said, I still don’t think Boras is the only reason the Angels won’t sign Manny. The other reasons have all been discussed to death: team budget, Manny being Manny, his age, letting the kids play, etc. But this news should kill any hopes anyone might have about trading for another Boras client like Matt Holliday or Prince Fielder at midseason. Arte is not going to get sucked into this drama again.

by Suboptimal on Feb 6, 2009 12:28 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Manny n' Blunts

Roll Manny a blunt and take him to In N Out. He’ll be ours in 10 minutes.

by BryanHarvey'sMoustache on Feb 6, 2009 6:52 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

SF is closer to Humboldt … best ganja in the world, so I’ve heard (I didn’t inhale). My money is on him signing up there.

by Downing Rules on Feb 6, 2009 10:09 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

What if Reagins

Threw in a private jet for Manny to go back and forth between Humboldt and Anaheim as part of the deal? As well as a three room hotel suite in Anaheim, filled with the grass?

Light Up That Halo!

by Clutch on Feb 7, 2009 1:31 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

And a TV

Showing 24/7 cartoons?

Light Up That Halo!

by Clutch on Feb 7, 2009 1:31 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Don't forget the video games

A guys gotta have his PS3 (or whatever)

I was uncool before uncool was cool.

by WiHaloFan on Feb 7, 2009 5:16 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Of course

Except it would have to be only baseball-themed games, to keep Manny’s head on baseball.

Light Up That Halo!

by Clutch on Feb 8, 2009 1:34 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Puna Buds from the Big Island ...

… were the best I ever smoked. It was very cool to get high on the Hilo College campus (Fall 1977) with an orange glow in the sky from the nearby erupting Kilauea volcano. I moved on to the University of Hawaii at Manoa (1979-1982) in Honolulu but could not find any Puna buds there. The Big Island entrepreneurs preferred to sell the bulk of their wares in New York City. I inhaled to the chief in the spring of 1979 at UH Manoa the same afternoons Barack Obama was toking up at Punahou High School!

by Yetijuice on Feb 7, 2009 4:44 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

What could be better than the Yanks giving him all that money...

and him not living up to expectations in the Bronx?

And Sabathia getting lit up, now that he is back in the AL, and the AL East of all places.

by NoDakHalo on Feb 6, 2009 11:21 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

Yup yup

Just imagine the bitter tears when we whip the yankees as usual!

== Resident Point Tallier ==

by scottnak on Feb 6, 2009 11:31 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Also...

…Arte should make sure Boras gets a “special” glass of Chardonay next time he takes in a game at the Big A.

by Ajax on Feb 6, 2009 11:22 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

As if it werent already obvious

this would probably cross matt holliday off our wish list next offseason. He’ll get something a hair below tex’s contract im sure and in all likelyhood probably goes to the Yankees or Mets as well

by ihearhowie2.0 on Feb 6, 2009 11:34 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

I came here to post this same Jayson Stark posting...

this is a must-read article…all kinds of nuggets in here about “collusion” or whatever you wish to call it this year…

• No more secrets: What happened on the Manny Ramirez front this week is the ultimate illustration of how this little wrinkle has worked all winter. The Dodgers make a new offer. Word of that offer leaks out. Then GMs from five different teams announce publicly they’re not pursuing Manny — an announcement that makes it much tougher for Scott Boras to play his time-honored Mystery Team game. Now for us reporters trying to cover the old Hot Stove circuit, this is fine. But as a business strategy, it’s odd. Isn’t it? As another veteran baseball man put it, “Most businesses do not want their competitors to know what they are doing. In this industry, every day a club makes some public pronouncement, so that all of its competitors will know exactly what they are doing.” And remember, these teams are all supposed to be competing against each other.

…call it the anti-Boras collusion

…and then my favorite (being over 35 and all)!

• Don’t trust anybody over 35: During two different labor negotiations back in the ‘90s, the owners made an interesting proposal: No more multiyear contracts for players 35 and older. There was a zero-percent chance of the union’s agreeing to that proposal, obviously. But it was fascinating nonetheless. And if you’ve been paying attention over these past two offseasons, you might notice something: That same mindset is back. We count 34 free agents age 35 and older who still don’t have jobs. And of the 13 contracts of three years or longer signed by free agents this winter, only three went to players 35 or older — Raul Ibanez, Derek Lowe and Casey Blake. All of a sudden, only young players can be trusted? As one GM put it recently, “Why not go with the kids? What’s the difference?” Well, here’s the difference: “The kids” work cheap. The Junior Griffeys and Pedro Martinezes of this world actually want to get paid more than $400,000 a year.

Kotch and Marek for two draft picks...hmmm, what a deal! NOT!

by K3YEROUT on Feb 6, 2009 12:25 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

I love the "no more secrets" faction!!!

The “veteran baseball man” who said “Most businesses do not want their competitors to know what they are doing” is an idiot. Businesses do hide trade secrets from one another, such as intellectual property and market strategies, but those are things what come from WITHIN a business.

When bidding for an OUTSIDE asset, such an another company or a parcel of land or a granted patent or the screenplay rights to a hot new novel, they have EXACTLY the same desire to know what their competitors are bidding as do MLB teams for player assets. And when the seller repeatedly has all the advantages gained from keeping the competitive bids secret from one another, eventually the buying community reacts in its own defense and creates a system that divulges the necessary information. Think financial exchanges. Or land auctions. Or General Services contracts.

But I don’t suppose that the players union – or Scott Boras – would care too much for live auctions, would they?

by Stirrups on Feb 6, 2009 5:55 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I have been wondering what it will take to get Boras out of baseball...?

Good for the players…not so good for the game, IMO!

I suspect that Arte wanted to do something this offseason and yes, he probably is ticked off! That said, the satisfaction of winning with the players we have would be phenomenal!

I suspect this all means we are trading prospects again come June/July as we did last season…

Kotch and Marek for two draft picks...hmmm, what a deal! NOT!

by K3YEROUT on Feb 6, 2009 12:56 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Manny is a clown...

a HOF hitting clown, but a clown none the less.

Peanuts...Get your Overpriced Peanuts!

by Angel Hawker on Feb 6, 2009 3:39 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

I was thinking that might be case

How could you not be irritated with Boras when he is steering the one client you want away from you in hopes that when you miss out you will bid up his other client.

by UCIHalo on Feb 6, 2009 4:07 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

So what?

Just because Boras treated us badly, we’re never going to deal with him again? I think it’s safe to say that he treats every team the same.

Of course I will boo Teixeira when he comes to the Big A this summer. However, it’s too bad if Arte doesn’t like Boras. Get the business done.

replacement level analysis

by 442 on Feb 6, 2009 4:46 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Would *you* continue to work

With a guy whose sole objective was to (my one for February, watch out kids) fuck you in @$$?

Light Up That Halo!

by Clutch on Feb 6, 2009 5:03 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Oh give me a fucking break

You honestly believe that all Boras wants to do is screw GMs over? No, he wants to get the most money possible for his clients. You know why we probably didn’t get a reply? It’s because we got outbid. If you’re selling something, and someone wants to give you $10 for it; another wants to give you $50. Would you even consider negotiating with the former? The Angels were in no shape to compete in terms of $$$ with the Yankees (proven last offseason with A-Rod and again with Teixeira).

Now, I understand that Boras is probably a bit of an asshole. But saying that you don’t want to go for the best option just because he’s affiliated with someone you don’t like is unprofessional and in this case, pretty stupid.

replacement level analysis

by 442 on Feb 6, 2009 8:21 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Ahem

"No, he wants to get the most money possible for his clients. "

Which, essentially, at the end of the day, means f—ing over a few GMs—in this case Reagins.

There. F—ing break given.

Light Up That Halo!

by Clutch on Feb 6, 2009 8:27 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Then if you know that

You don’t f—ing deal with him in the first place. If you know it’s going to bite you on the ass, then just don’t bother going near it. Don’t cry about it later.

"No, he wants to get the most money possible for his clients. "

Which, essentially, at the end of the day, means f—ing over a few GMs—in this case Reagins.

Interesting. So you say that wanting to get the most money for client = “f—ing over a few GMs”. Last time I checked, players hire agents to get the most money possible. According to your logic, in order to not be f—ed over, we should not deal with any agent that does a decent job representing his client. Never.

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by 442 on Feb 6, 2009 8:37 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

No

The way in which he goes about getting the most money involves f—ing people over. Wanting to get the most money is not in itself a dick move.

Light Up That Halo!

by Clutch on Feb 6, 2009 8:59 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

And what is this "way"?

Did I miss the news post where Boras kidnapped Arte’s kid and demanded a ransom?

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by 442 on Feb 6, 2009 9:15 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I realize now, a team that wants to be the best is going to have to deal with Boras.

He gets all the best players. If we refuse to negotiate with Boras, we are taking ourselves out of the competition. I’m almost positive Boras has nothing against the Angels. If we truly offer the best deals to his players, then they will sign with the Angels instead of the East Coast teams.

Don't mess with Teix-ass or Bor-ass!

by Rally Manatee on Feb 6, 2009 4:52 PM PST reply actions   1 recs

well

it would be ok if everyone was playing with the same amount of money. i guess i can assume Teix was going to go where ever the money was. so if i assume that and Arte matched or exceeded the Yanks offer. then what? Boras goes back to the NYY and tells them hey i have a better offer, are you going to beat it? if the NYY really wanted Teix they would have out bid us no matter what. so we would have lost out on Teix regardless.

NYY will always win out because they can afford to give the most. they will always outbid Arte if they really want a certain player. i’m trying to say is that the Angels will never be able to make the best deal when the NYY are involved.

by HALO_86 on Feb 6, 2009 5:05 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I agree with you...however

Where are our extra sources of revenue?
Why don’t we have an Angels network (you could partner with the Lakers or Ducks to start)?
Why don’t we build our own stadium?
Why don’t we employ our own concessions?
Where is the ingenuity?
Why don’t we have Angels stores (put them inside Sporting Goods stores) all over the southland or at least one huge one like the Sux have?
Etc…

Kotch and Marek for two draft picks...hmmm, what a deal! NOT!

by K3YEROUT on Feb 6, 2009 5:52 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

revenue

-theres only soo much revenue the Angels can make. its going to take 2-3 generations of winning to overtake the Dodgers here in the southland alone. if the Angels can.

-how much do u think they can get from the providers? Angels ratings aren’t that impressive to begin with. i don’t know why the Lakers never started their own network. they must get alot from KCAL and cable for them not to want to start their own. the Ducks, cmon your kidding. i know your just throwing out examples but the Ducks.

-where would Arte build the stadium? outside of the OC? i don’t think the Arte can build the stadium on his own like the Cowboys are doing in Dallas without a national following. he would just have a expensive stadium that would cost us fans more to just watch them play.

-outside the OC the Angels merch isn’t that popular. i can’t believe it myself. lol.

-your right Arte needs to keep figuring out ways to make money but there comes a point where he can do only soo much before he’s just maxed out. i hate to think what would have happened if he ended up with the Dodgers. imagine what he could have done with a built in market as big as the Dodgers?

by HALO_86 on Feb 6, 2009 6:22 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Angels' network
Why don’t we have an Angels network (you could partner with the Lakers or Ducks to start)?

Disney was going to try such a thing with a regional ESPN network for the Angels in 1997. The company backed down when Fox Sports West showed the local market couldn’t support another cable channel and re-signed the Angels, and bought the Dodgers for good measure.

Disney, meanwhile, had already signed the Angels over-the-air rights to KCAL, which it then owned. It was a sweetheart deal, which put most of the revenue in the hands of KCAL, leaving little for the Angels. At the time it was sort of academic, since Disney owned both halves of the equation.

Then Disney merged with Cap Cities, and had to divest itself of KCAL as it now also owned KABC. This meant the crappy deal Disney had forged now simply hurt the team financially.

FSW, in the meantime, looked down the road and split the marquee teams in its portfolio between FSW and FSW2 (now known as Prime Ticket, the name formerly given to what is now FSW). The Dodgers are on PT, along with the Clippers and Kings, while FSW is for the Angels, Lakers and Ducks. Having the Dodgers on one and the Lakers on the other helps force cable companies to carry both channels earning fees for each net.

For Arte to start his own network, he’d need more than the Angels, since the channel operates 365 days a year, and tons of programming, since it would be on 24 hours a day. He’d need the rights to (at minimum) a basketball franchise and a hockey franchise. The latter might be possible, with the Samuellis’ taking an equity stake in such an enterprise, but the Lakers wouldn’t make such a move—FSW has its studio in Staples Center, after all. The Clippers would be a poor second choice, but Don Sterling has shown a reluctance to act boldly when it comes to investing in his team.

Add in the fact that is is a terrible time economically to even consider such a venture, and that the deals signed by each team lock them to Fox for years to come, and there isn’t much chance that the Angels will be able to start their own version of NESN or YES anytime soon.

by George Kaplan on Feb 7, 2009 1:15 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

So why doesn't Arte

Just buy Fox? I mean come on, he’s rich and has the ambition, right? ;-D

Light Up That Halo!

by Clutch on Feb 8, 2009 1:36 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

If we remember...

…Arte postured a few years ago about starting his own Angels cable network. He was seeing to renegotiate his deal with FSW to better reflect what Fox was paying the Dodgers. His ploy worked, in that the team has a much more lucrative deal now than it had previously.

Where Fox has him over a barrel, though, is that there are only two independent VHF channels in LA. One of them is KCAL, and they’re locked in with the Dodgers. The other is KCOP, and that station is owned by Fox. The only possible alternative is KDOC—some have suggested Arte should buy it and use it for Angel broadcasts—but the station isn’t very compelling in its programming (it schedules reruns of Matlock the way WTBS used to show “Beastmaster” all the time), and the channel isn’t carried on every cable system in the LA Metro area, in the way that KCOP is.

So for the meantime, it seems like Arte and Fox will be partners in broadcasting Angel games.

And rich as Arte is, I don’t think he’s wealthy enough to get Rupert Murdoch to return his phone calls…I guess the Moreno empire won’t include News Corp as one of its holdings.

by George Kaplan on Feb 8, 2009 1:54 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

What you say is true

But that has nothing to do with the matter at hand. We’re going to be outbid by the Yankees, noone can deny that. But you can’t refuse to sign someone (MANNY, of all people) just because of Boras. The Yankees have nothing to do with Arte’s statement.

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by 442 on Feb 6, 2009 8:23 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

exactly

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by 442 on Feb 6, 2009 8:21 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

That's cool..

…’cause it looks like you congratulated yourself on your comment. Cool.

I don't know...I'm makin' this up as I go.

by ArkAngel on Feb 6, 2009 8:59 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I replied to Rally Manatee

Do you actually have anything to say? Or are you just content with being an ass

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by 442 on Feb 6, 2009 9:16 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

yeah

replacement level analysis

by 442 on Feb 6, 2009 9:17 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Boras is absolutely not anti-Angel, correct.

However, I disagree with the notion that you can’t field the “best” team without Boras clients. It definately limits your possibilities, but I think most teams are willing to overlook Boras’ standards if their need is really all that dire.

I think everyone realizes the score at this point concerning Boras, and that includes fans, players and GMs: If you’re dealing with a Boras client, expect to pay through the nose. Highest bidder wins, regardless of location.

by Omerta on Feb 6, 2009 10:09 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

WHINE!

I dont buy this “literally never got back” BS. It this modern world there is a helluva lot of ways to contact someone. How about knocking on Boras’ door. Too much pride?

Either this entire article is BS or Arte is too proud for his own good and needs to get over it. If you REALLY wanted Teix and were willing to go higher than everyone else for it then you gotta do everything you can. Even if that means getting on a plane and playing to Boras game.

If. What did Boras do wrong? He played the market, listened to his client and Teix went to the highest bidder.

However, I do dig the teams coming together against Boras. On the other hand, there will always be a team that will be willing to play so good will it really do

by BryanHarvey'sMoustache on Feb 6, 2009 6:48 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

I'm in journalism and this entire article is speculative.

If it was a sure thing, then you Stark would give names and titles in his article. If the people wanted to remain anonymous then he would include that in his article as well.

“NL official”? That might as well be a secretary.

by BryanHarvey'sMoustache on Feb 8, 2009 2:30 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Hyperbole?
If it was a sure thing, then you Stark would give names and titles in his article. If the people wanted to remain anonymous then he would include that in his article as well.

"NL official"? That might as well be a secretary.

If you’re truly “in journalism” then you’re either speaking tongue in cheek or you’re leveling a pretty harsh accusation towards Stark. Anyone who knows the type of writing Stark is doing—a behind-the scenes view of the offseason—knows that often folks will speak, but only off the record. In that case, it wouldn’t be possible for Stark to provide “names and titles”, but that doesn’t mean that his information is bogus because it isn’t quote-attributed. The very fact that they are vaguely identified speaks to their desire to remain anonymous.

Likewise, anyone in journalism knows a secretary is not an “NL [club] official”. A person who would have that description would be (for example) a GM or assistant GM, a team president, a partner or owner, but not a clerical. To insinuate otherwise is disingenuous.

Unless you can prove otherwise, the only thing Jayson Stark and Jayson Blair have in common is their first names.

by George Kaplan on Feb 8, 2009 3:24 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

A better explanation...

First, your assumption that “behind the scenes” reporting (is there such a thing? Can I take a class on that? Hey Joe, go do some “behind the scenes” reporting. Everyone in office begins to chuckle) does not allow a journalist to use names is ridiculous. So any slightly investigative article must include absolutely no names? Can I least get an "NL official who wished to remain anonymous, etc?

However, perhaps you’re right that my above comment seemed accusative towards Stark. Let me make myself a little bit more clear. I am merely taking note of the vague nature of this article. In addition, I understand Stark is probably on a deadline to write something (anything!) even if there is very little of a story. Furthermore, I failed to acknowledge that perhaps Stark is using the terminology “NL official” because he also doesn’t entirely consider his source credible. You say he is protecting his source, I say, while taking into consideration the nature of off-season business and Arte Moreno’s understanding of that as a businessman, that Stark’s source and probably entire article is likely discreditable and the equivalent to a US Weekly piece. I mean really, what is the difference? This “unnamed person” said this, Joe Blow at the this weekly says he heard this, Sally Smith saw this. Blah Blah. Its all gossip and should be read with the utmost cynicism. (Remember when everyone said Teix was going to the Sox?)

However, since were all making up our own little possibilities, here is my scenario: Stark gets paid to write and in noticing a bunch of Boras clients unsigned he set out to write an article about this subject. To tweak his article he has to use some leftover quotes blabbed to him over cocktails from Joe Schmo NL official.

Point being: I don’t buy Moreno possibly hurting the winning chances of his team by not dealing with Boras simply because he holds a grudge. This is from the same guy who stated, “I hate losing.” Well, if you want to win, sometimes you have to do some things you dont like. Moreno knows this and thus I consider that section of Stark’s article easily discreditable. However, in no way does that mean I am wholly discrediting Stark as a reporter or that there is a possibility that some factual truth to what was written.

by BryanHarvey'sMoustache on Feb 9, 2009 7:41 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

That's OK

I was in such a hurry I used “behind the scenes” instead of the word I couldn’t think of, “background”.

As for Moreno, I don’t think that anyone would say “never” as being definitive, but his experience with Boras hasn’t been great. Stark was hardly the first to write that the Angels were upset with a lack of communication from the Boras camp—that story was printed even before Teixeira signed with the Yankees, and was said at the time to be the reason why the Angels pulled their offer off the table.

I am sure that the team will do business with Boras in the future if they need to. But the reality is that Arte is one of the few owners in the game who can afford to pay huge salaries, and that works perfectly into Boras’ MO of playing team against team for maximum bidding, the very reason why the Angels publicly withdrew from the bidding—the team didn’t want to be used to ratchet up the bids for a player it wasn’t ever going to be able to sign. Maybe in a year or two things will be forgotten, but in the meantime I don’t think Moreno wants a thing to do with Boras, and I think a lot of GMs and owners are experiencing vicarious joy seeing Boras thwarted in getting a monster payday for Manny—so Moreno isn’t alone in his point of view.

Maybe the Angels will relent next year and work with Boras in an attempt to sign Andruw Jones.

But seriously—it is SOP when protecting the identity of someone who is speaking off the record to use a vague identifier, such as “NL Official”. This isn’t indicative of anything but Stark honoring the quid pro quo of protecting his sources. Stories written about politics, sports, entertainment…all of them are rife with quotes from unnamed sources, who provide information anonymously, simply because they need to continue to work within that industry.

by George Kaplan on Feb 9, 2009 8:30 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

aren't the players just all sock puppets for Bor-ass?

"People ask me what I do in winter when there's no baseball. I'll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring".
Rogers Hornsby

by ladybug on Feb 6, 2009 6:55 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Feel free to start hating

I simply don’t understand how people on this site can defend Boras’ actions, which seem detrimental to baseballs long term health. I get the whole “He’s just looking out for his clients best interests”, or “You’d take the most money, why shouldn’t they”? But what confounds me with this logic,is its teams like the Halo’s that constantly lose, in these unfair contract negotiations. If there were a cap, where most, if not all teams had realistic shot at signing premier FAs, that would be one thing, but with the way the system is now, rest assured, the skanks, bosux, and metropolitans almost always (unfairly) get their men.

YOU DON'T KNOW THE POWER OF THE DARKSIDE.....

by halofolife on Feb 6, 2009 9:36 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

It's Friday night...quit fighting and start partying!

Here’s to the 2009 Angels!

(raises glass, drinks)

WOO HOO!

by Downing Rules on Feb 6, 2009 10:12 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

If this is true

…then Arte needs to grow up. Business is business. Arte has been dealing with Boras for years, knows his reputation, and knows how he operates. Arte knew what CC signed for, and if he really wanted Tex he knew what type of offer was necessary to out bid the other teams in the chase. Candidly, I think the fact of the matter is that when it comes to spending money to get the top free-agent talent, Arte just does not have the resources to compete with the Yankees.

Using being mad at an agent as the reason NOT to improve your business is just stupid. I have to believe Arte is smarter than that….

by mustard_man on Feb 7, 2009 6:40 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

3 year contracts at 20+ mil for a 36 year old is debatable in how much it improves ur business

that is a risk. It might make baseball sense but this isnt fantasy baseball. We’re in a major recession and we’ve yet to see how it impacts economics in the game. What if we get locked in to manny for 3 years and then nobody shows up to the ballpark this year and concessions are down and we lose advertisers and arte takes a big hit in income?

Arte NOT signing manny is protecting his business.

by ihearhowie2.0 on Feb 7, 2009 9:20 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

yeah Arte is smarter then us

thats why he’s a billionaire and were not. or at least i’m not. lol. no one has the resources to compete with the Yanks. i don’t even think the Redsox do.

in bussiness if i get screwed, i’m going to whatever i can to succeed without the person who screwed me.

by HALO_86 on Feb 7, 2009 10:41 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Boras

Remember that Arte’s first experience with Boras was in the year-long negotiations for Jered Weaver which became an epic battle of wills, solved only hours before Jered was supposed to go back into the draft.

Aside from Jeff Weaver, I can’t think of another Boras client who has been with the Angels (GA didn’t sign with him until he was already out the door). My guess is that the Teixeira negotiations just pushed Arte over the edge. Let’s see how good the food service in the dugout seats is for Boras in 2009. Boras may not be officially blacklisted the way Arn Tellem is allegedly with the Braves, but it may be awhile before the Angels pursue one of his clients, which includes Matt Holiday, someone I thought might be on the Angels’ radar up to now.

by George Kaplan on Feb 7, 2009 12:36 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Ned Colletti's job just got easier

Brian Sabean all but said the Giants aren’t going to pursue Manny:

“It’s going to take a special set of circumstances. It’s not going to be a long-term contract. It’s not going to be at the dollars being speculated. It’s going to have to make business sense and it’s going to have to make baseball sense with a player who certainly has a tremendous upside in the end and some warts that still leave him on the market because of what his lack of all-around play is and what his past has been in previous organizations.

Anybody left standing besides the Dodgers? Let’s see if Manny decides that one year offer of $25M wasn’t so crappy after all.

Assuming Manny signs with the Dodgers, then they’re out of the hunt for Dunn and/or Abreu. This means that Dunn will either sign his deal with the Nationals or decide to accept less money/fewer years with another team. Likewise, Abreu’s options will be reduced by one with the Dodgers out of the picture.

by George Kaplan on Feb 8, 2009 3:31 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

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