Steroids and Questions About Steroids
I guess they all did it. Maybe not? I keep seeing a number of 104 out 671, 402, 1000. Does it matter? You can't hide forever. They tried to hide 2003. Can you hide something? Can you hide it because the players association wants to? Maybe. Maybe you hide it because the owners association wants to hide it too.
Did A-Rod do Steroids prior to his MVP/HR 2003 season? Maybe. Maybe is bad enough. Maybe Clemens did it. Maybe Sosa did it. Maybe Bonds did it. Maybe Ma quire did it. Maybe?
And now, the number is MAYBE more that 104 out of whatever. They retested bonds sample with a new improved method, and he turned out positive. How many more will turn out positive with this new improved method.
I think we all get it. Steroids were legal (or not illegal), and many, many, people did it.
Or maybe, they all did it. Did the 2002 Angels do it? Maybe.
What now? When did it start? When does/did it stop? When does it end?
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Sorry I have more questions than answers
This is a big moment in MLB history. I don’t know what is going to happen.
Angel Pitching, Angel Defense - get past that.
by vladtheimpaler on Feb 9, 2009 3:04 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Sorta related
Thought you guys would be interested in my take on the Barry Bonds trial going on up in the Bay Area. Bonds is represented by Allen Ruby, a locally famous litigator known for big plaintiffs cases mainly. Ruby was co-counsel with the firm of Cotchett Illston & Pitre on at least one very large case back in the 1990s. And now Susan Illston is on the bench, and Allen Ruby is arguing before her. I wouldn’t be surprised if key evidentiary hearings don’t just happen to go in Ruby’s – and Bond’s favor – in this trial.
by LazorkoRules on Feb 11, 2009 12:29 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
That's major appeal bait
I’m surprised the judge didn’t recuse herself.
Angels fan since '67
by red floyd on Feb 11, 2009 6:57 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
so can we start
speculating who roided on the Angels?
…..i can’t even think of anyone that’s a hitter except for Glaus, maybe?
by jtkelly86 on Feb 9, 2009 3:46 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
I most certainly did not want to go there
I’m not ready.
Angel Pitching, Angel Defense - get past that.
by vladtheimpaler on Feb 9, 2009 3:58 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Well, dont cut off my balls for this post but:
Fullmer
Salmon
Vlad
Hunter
DMac
GMJ
Glaus
Speizio
Molina (either of them)
Finley
OCab
are all suspect to me, I dont know.
Some more than others I guess, although I would hate to see any Angel names come up from here on out.
I brought sexy back, but they only gave me store credit....
by PhiSlamma on Feb 9, 2009 4:12 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Don't forget Eckstein
How else could a 4 foot 2 guy hit grand slams in back to back games? ;)
by MH252525 on Feb 9, 2009 6:40 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Sacred Cow, meet PhiSlamma...
Phislamma: “Say ’alo to my leo friend!”
by The Clyde on Feb 9, 2009 7:40 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Good god
If Jose Molina needed steroids to achieve his stellar hitting, then I don’t know what to make of him.
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by 442 on Feb 9, 2009 4:44 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
In Jose's case, he used 'roids to improve his wheels, not his bat.
by Stirrups on Feb 9, 2009 6:30 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
haha damn.
How did I miss that?
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by 442 on Feb 9, 2009 7:27 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I'll add a few more names....
Dave Winfield
Dave Parker
Jim Edmonds
Jose Guillen
Todd Green
Bobby Janks
Jim Abbott (Sorry but he had all the symptoms)
Bartolo Colon
Dave Hollins
Obviously Randy Velarde
I believe all of these guys were possible juice users.
by alcor805 on Feb 10, 2009 1:21 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Was Juan Gonzalez named in the Mitchell Report?
If not, he sure bulked up in a hurry (I think it was in 2001).
I was uncool before uncool was cool.
by WiHaloFan on Feb 10, 2009 6:05 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Reggie Willits
He’s the only one I can think of that has most likely done steroids.
Put Kendry Morales at 1B, and move Sean Rodriguez to 3B......NOW LETS GO WIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
by acuda27 on Feb 9, 2009 1:20 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
You forgot
Alfredo Amezaga
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by 442 on Feb 9, 2009 4:44 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Who the hell cares, at this point?
Aren’t we through with the witch hunt? For all intents and purposes, everyone did steroids. You might remember that steroids saved baseball.
Can we focus on things that actually matter, now? I can’t believe our idiot Congress wastes time with steroid allegations.
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by Carl Johnson on Feb 9, 2009 5:24 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
I agree,but players like A-Rod and Bonds should just come out and admit it,like Petite and Giambi,nobody cares that they did it anymore,its the lying and egotistical ones that are going to be scrutinized the most,not to mention that those 2 could potentially be 1-2 on the all time HR list. Flatout denying it when yer caught is not a smart PR move,and A-Rod has not been the poster boy for popularity over the past few years.. They should just admit there guilt and move on with the game,but they are not willing to do that,they have 2 much ego, and money to allow that to happen..That is what makes peoplemad thje most,they are just throwing it in our faces …I was one that hoped A-Rod would one day be the HR king,now I could care less if he does,his and Bonds numbers mean nothing… I do believe the roids give you the extra strength to hit the HR …just my opinion,doesnt mean anything
by raven191 on Feb 9, 2009 7:10 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
arod admitted it today
12/19/08 - Thank you KLJ for coming into my life.
by norcaliangelsfan on Feb 9, 2009 2:54 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
It's not a witch hunt and these are no longer allegations.
Calling it a witch hunt implies that these guys are being pursued for no reason or for made up reasons. If Congress is going to allow baseball to operate in full violation of federal antitrust laws then they have every right to ensure that baseball is not allowing it’s players and trainers to illegally acquire, transport, use, purchase, prescribe, etc. controlled substances. These are serious crimes with serious financial and social consequences. It is Congress’ obligation to investigate this.
Captain, there are doubt's...
by Match Day 5 on Feb 9, 2009 1:35 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Serious crimes?
I am really anti-doping but I am also anti-hyperbole and this is way off-base.
Calling roids a serious crime is like insising on ten years in prison for a joint.
by Rev Halofan on Feb 9, 2009 2:00 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
10 years in the joint for a joint.
Sounds too lenient
If GA wasn't so Lazy, I'd have something clever here.
by TheTypingFiend on Feb 9, 2009 2:28 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Your're right. It's only drug trafficking and drug abuse.
I’ll stop complaining about the cost of pharmaceuticals and I’ll stop complaining about tax dollars being used for sports stadiums.
It’s corruption and it’s greed and it’s people not caring about it and it all sucks.
To quote Reno 911!: “Worst country in the world.”
Captain, there are doubt's...
by Match Day 5 on Feb 9, 2009 7:18 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I really truly don't care
I think the stuff is nasty bad and I wouldn’t use it. But then again, I wouldn’t put the time or dedication that it takes to get where these guys are either.
In “Ball Four,” Bouton maintained that “greenies” were available in the trainer’s room by the bowl. That was in the sixty’s. We kjnow that speed is performance enhancing and those guys are in the HOF with no notation or scandal. Did anyone ask Hank if he had a greenie after a long road trip?
Steroids are not the begining and end all…Ozzie Cansaco and Jeremy Giambi took roids and they sucked.
I am not an ARod fan, but if NY wants to get rid of him, I’ll take him.
The one positive thing in all of this is because Alex’s ego is made of glass, he coiuld very well have some sucky moments and slow the Yankee machine down to the point that signing Teix won’t save them (I’m hoping anyway)
GA GA he's the man, if he can't do it, no one can
by Moondoggy on Feb 9, 2009 7:09 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
I'm tired of hearing about this because...
I don’t think it’s that important. I may be naive or I don’t know exactly what ‘roids do, but I don’t think it’s that big of a deal. From what I understand, steroids don’t improve a hitters ability to hit the ball, right? What I mean is, a players still has to have the ability to hit regardless of anything else. Steroids improve a players ability to rebound from injury faster and decrease the time it takes to return to peak condition, as well as increasing muscle mass. So where I see steriods making an impact is allowing a player to play in peak condition more often and when he actually hits the ball it goes further.
I think steroids have a bigger impact on the game when a pitcher is juiced. He’s able to throw a little harder more often.
I was uncool before uncool was cool.
by WiHaloFan on Feb 9, 2009 7:43 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
No offense
but, but I wish people would stop making that ridiculous argument.
If people want to move past the steroids issue, I’m fine with that. But that argument is either the ultimate denial, or the all-time Jedi Mind Trick.
by The Clyde on Feb 9, 2009 8:07 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Which ridiculous argument?
Doesn’t effect hitting ability?
No effect on hitting home runs?
Bigger effect on pitchers than hitters?
Just curious. As I wrote, I don’t know exactly what steroids do (I’ve only read a few articles unrelated to baseball), so I’m interested in the “real” effects they have in regards to baseball.
I was uncool before uncool was cool.
by WiHaloFan on Feb 9, 2009 8:37 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Just the argument that steroids don't help people hit
Then why would anybody bother? Why do they bother to ban bats in softball that make the ball fly further? It absolutely makes a difference. Otherwise would-be pop flies magically fly out of the yard. Only the hitter can tell he slightly “missed it”.
Sure it doesn’t help you hit per se. But it makes many non-hits become hits. Non HRs become HRs. And non just one or two. How about enough to reach 73 and make it look easy in your late 30’s.
Victor Conte had a good point when he said look at the best performing, highest paid players first. I always suspected ARod because, if he were clean, he’d be so much better than his juicing peers he’d be a complete freak of nature
by The Clyde on Feb 9, 2009 12:17 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
There is no question that Steroids improves hitting ability.
Let me ask you a question. Do you have better bat control with a wiffle bat or a 36 ounce wooden bat? Can you wait back longer to start your swing with a wiffle bat or a 36 ounce wooden bat?
Steriods enhances strength and specifically fast twitch fibers. Effectively, the bat is lighter for athletes using PEDs.
Every backyard hero can tell you a lighter bat makes a world of difference.
Some of those wiffle bat swings Bonds took in 2002 are almost cartoonish.
Touch'em all
by THE VOICE on Feb 9, 2009 12:36 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
You're right about bat speed
I agree a hitter on steriods can hit the ball further than a non-juicer. And it might allow a hitter to wait a bit longer before swinging because he can get around faster. But ‘roids don’t improve eye-hand coordination, right? They don’t help with pitch recognition. The hitter still has to make contact.
I was uncool before uncool was cool.
by WiHaloFan on Feb 10, 2009 6:47 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Well that may be true
But even if steroids improve only one or two aspects of hitting, that’s still an unfair advantage.
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by 442 on Feb 10, 2009 10:44 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Second Fallacy
“Bigger effect on pitchers than hitters”
What are you talking about? First of all, that argument is problematic but for the sake of time, I will focus on only one most obvious fallacy.
Look, Bonds was on Steroids 100% of the time. He was on Steroids for every one of his ABs. Even if 25% of major league pitchers were juicing at the time, that still means he had an unfair advantage in 75% of his ABs.
Cheating is cheating! Barry Bonds, Mark McGwire, Sammy Sosa and soon to be Alex Rodriquez should not be in our top four single season homerun leaders of all time. No way they get there without help. Baseball has enough data to prove those types of performance spikes just do not occur in the manner they did.
Don’t even get me started on Roger Clemens.
Touch'em all
by THE VOICE on Feb 9, 2009 12:51 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
What I meant about pitchers...
is if steriods make a player stronger, wouldn’t they make a pitcher throw harder. And if steroids help a player recover faster, wouldn’t they allow a pitcher to throw harder longer?
I can go out and throw 10 pitches and have 7 of them be strikes (or at least I used to be able to). If I’m on steroids those pitches will be faster. If I step up to the plate and take 10 swings while John Lackey is pitching, regardless of being on ‘roids or not, I’m not making contact.
I was uncool before uncool was cool.
by WiHaloFan on Feb 10, 2009 6:52 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
This is why
Everyone should be considered for HOF based on numbers vs. their own generation only, and not testing results. It obviously WAS a level playing field.
by Sethy on Feb 9, 2009 9:02 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
And...
Is it really cheating if EVERYONE is doing it?
by Sethy on Feb 9, 2009 9:02 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yes.
Captain, there are doubt's...
by Match Day 5 on Feb 9, 2009 1:36 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Ugh....
It most certainly was never a level playing field. The 2003 Tests they did, they wanted to see if more than 5% of players juiced. So obv. it was more than that but it never reached a level where everyone was doing it. A lot of players never juiced. Saying it was a level playing field, is to me a slap in the face of those who didn’t take them.
by MH252525 on Feb 9, 2009 9:14 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
agree
its not fair to say it was a level playing field.
i can’t imagine if i was in that position knowing a rival or teammate was using it and having better success then he was before he started using. the moral dilemma that i would have. the pressure i would feel knowing that if i could just hit the ball harder or further, or throw the ball harder and recover faster. the money you can make and set yourself up for life.
by HALO_86 on Feb 9, 2009 10:24 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Ehh
While I agree with you, we can’t just jump to that conclusion..
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by 442 on Feb 9, 2009 4:42 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
What conclusion of mine can we not jump to?
104 players tested positive in 2003. I don’t know how many tests they did, but I doubt they only gave 104 tests. In my mind it wouldn’t have been a level playing field until every last player took them.
by MH252525 on Feb 9, 2009 5:25 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
No, I agree with you.
I’m just saying I wouldn’t be surprised if it’s a lot more than that. For all we know, it could have been 104 tests out of 300 or something.
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by 442 on Feb 9, 2009 7:29 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Two things,
I just wish A-Roid would be a man and just come out and confess and not be a little bitch like Clemens so we can all forget about it. And secondly to bad GMJ did not get in trouble for using HGH that would have made all of us happy and probably would not have him anymore. A-Roid is now even more of a Fraud and I hope everybody boos him and throws at him. And with the Angels, well the names that were in the report and also associated with steroids are….Byrd, Glaus, GMJ, Mo Vaughn, Donnelly, and Glen Allen Hill.
Give the young guns a chance...if they suck wellll...
by angelskid2210 on Feb 9, 2009 9:26 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
I'm torn
In one hand, I say who cares. I want to see players perform and entertain at any cost. That’s what my hard earned dollar is going toward, to be entertained. I thoroughly enjoyed watching Slammin’ Sammy and the Big Mac Attack save baseball in 1998. It was one of the best years baseball has ever seen. Although I’m an Angel enthusiast through and through, I, like Jarrod Washburn was in awe of Barry Bonds home run off in in the 2002 World Series. I mean, you could read Washburns’ lips… as soon as he hit it, Washburn said “Wow!”. It meant nothing to the game, just entertainment. Who am I, or anyone else to tell someone you can’t be the best ball player you want to be, regardless of PED’s? You want the most money ever? You want the most prolific crown in all of sports (All-time HR king)? It’s easy to see how these guys could do it.
On the other hand, the records. To tell you the truth, at first it didn’t bother me at all. Different times. Would Aaron, Ruth, Mantle, Mays, Williams have used PED’s if they played today? Maybe, who knows. Gehrig likely would have, at least to help with his disease. I mean that in a respectful way… I knew a woman who passed away from Lou Gehrigs disease, and the doctors prescribed her steroids, she lived almost 13 years with it. She would not have lasted that long without them. But anyways, I always was with the majority with Bonds, yes, I completely believe he used. No question about it.
But A-Rod? I’m not mad… I’m just disappointed. It honestly makes me sad. I’ll never be able to tell my son that A-Rod was the greatest baseball player to have ever lived… and I watched him with my own two eyes. Sort of the way my dad’s eyes light up when he talks about the Mick.
A-Rod, just come clean. You’ll have more respect. You, like every other ball player of our time, will be thought of a product of your environment, not just a cheater. Maybe one day, we’ll sympathize with you.
by matt92130 on Feb 9, 2009 9:35 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Well it is learned
that A-Roid has admitted to using performance enhancing drugs in 2003. I for one give the guy a little bit more respect for having the balls to come out and admit he used it. Now its over with and we move on.
Give the young guns a chance...if they suck wellll...
by angelskid2210 on Feb 9, 2009 11:25 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
I'm more interested in
Doc Ellis
"i got 5ive on it"
by Funke5ive on Feb 9, 2009 11:50 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Interesting
In 9 years of sitting in the 6th row of CF section 240 two seats away from the batter’s eye (not for every game but for plenty of them), only three players hit homeruns that sailed OVER my seats:
Brett Boone, Troy Glaus, Alex Rodriguez.
And now the circle is complete
by Rev Halofan on Feb 9, 2009 11:58 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Ahhh, Bret Boone...
how vividly I remember the spring he came to camp for Sea with “35 lbs of new muscle from his new workout regime!” I knew it wasn’t natural the second I saw and heard that from the M’s announcers…no one was willing to call BS…everyone has a hand in the blame!
There are three things in my life which I really love: God, my family, and baseball. The only problem - once baseball season starts, I change the order around a bit. -- Al Gallagher
by K3YEROUT on Feb 9, 2009 6:54 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
He offered every excuse in the book
PLUS, he indirectly implicated his teammates
What a dick
by Higz on Feb 9, 2009 1:58 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
A-Rod is a Dick!
yeah, I could have told you this in like, 1997…
by Rev Halofan on Feb 9, 2009 2:01 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I agree.
I think the reason these players and athletes in other sports stopped using these drugs was really that tests were developed to detect them. The doctor that ran BALCO’s whole thing was to keep producing and perfecting drugs that were undetectible before it got shut down by the feds. I find it hard to believe A-Rod when he said he honestly did’nt know what he was using. When your body and health are our most valuable assets as an athlete, how can you just put anything in your body some trainer you barely met recommends? Because you are told everyone else is using it, or it works for so and so player and look what it does for him? A lot of what BALCO was producing were experimental and the knowledge of these drugs had to be kept under wraps.
Recipient of the 2008 "The Iron Man" award from scottnak of Halos Heaven!
by 44FAN on Feb 9, 2009 2:15 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Leak, leak, leak......
It’s time to release the other 103 names or this is going to drag out all of 2009 baseball season. The other players should come forward, make their apologies, so baseball and the players can move on. These names are going to be leaked out one by one anyway, all season long, so why not just get it over with? It will have less of an impact on the image and reputation of the players if they all just came out at once and admitted their use.
These players could form an organization with programs to help keep these drugs out of youth sports who this ends up hurting the most in the end. I’m sure there are probably already existing organizations that players could lend their support to. This kind of effort would help restore players’ reputations and have something “good” come out of this bad situation.
Recipient of the 2008 "The Iron Man" award from scottnak of Halos Heaven!
by 44FAN on Feb 9, 2009 1:57 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
ALBERT PUJOLS,,, COME ON DOWN!!!!!
Seriously! But dont release the names, its time for these dudes to just come out let it be know. It is what it is.
Taking the Clemens – Bonds – DJustice route is turning out to be the wrong thing to do, really fast! If they formed an organization; the players that “stepped up to the plate” and outed their own use, instead of letting it get leaked, they would be far more respected. By me atleast. If these guys can take ownership of this they will end up, as a group not individually, being a product of their era; thus hopefully forgivin but never forgotten!
"Sometimes I'm a Closer... Sometimes I make it Closer"
by Big Perm on Feb 9, 2009 2:55 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Steroids
were a necessary evil to recapture the American imagination following the embarrassing layoff of the 1994 strike and subsequent “falling out of love” of the American public with baseball.
I cannot count how many people said “I will never attend another baseball game again” during the strike. It didn’t even phase me one bit. It also helped that the Halos were pretty good in 1995 and that I had just moved back to the area. I was starving for baseball.
But, I think that everyone who “swore off” baseball was hooked again during the McGwire-Sosa circus.
So, the cat is out of the bag….finally. I vote we move on and get away from PED’s altogether. That means we implement strict testing methods and therefore ensuring the playing field stays level from here on out.
by Downing Rules on Feb 9, 2009 2:38 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I agree with comedian Daniel Tosh in that...
we should just force athletes to use steroids thus making the most amazing athlete that science can create.
And so what if they’ll be dead at 40 from all the roid use. Athletes hate their life after their done playing anyway.
by BryanHarvey'sMoustache on Feb 9, 2009 2:53 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
ha!
daniel tosh makes me laugh
Kotch would've had that.
by howiestheman on Feb 9, 2009 2:55 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
More on steroids from Daniel Tosh here...
Asterik next to Barry Bonds? How about an asterik next to Babe Ruth…find out why from Daniel here:
http://www.comedycentral.com/videos/index.jhtml?videoId=168358&title=daniel-tosh-steroids
by BryanHarvey'sMoustache on Feb 9, 2009 2:56 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Watching the ESPN interview now on TV,
A-Rod says Selena Roberts, who co-wrote the SI article, is stalking him at his home in Miami but does’nt say anything about Epstein.
“Not to belabor the point Alex, but who did you acquire the performance enhancing drugs from?” I haven’nt seen anyone dance around a question since the Sarah Palin/ Katie Couric interviews. I may have gotten them from GNC products off the shelf ain’t cutting it.
Recipient of the 2008 "The Iron Man" award from scottnak of Halos Heaven!
by 44FAN on Feb 9, 2009 3:56 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Selena Roberts
Investigative journalism or stalking? She did her job.
Angel Pitching, Angel Defense - get past that.
by vladtheimpaler on Feb 9, 2009 11:28 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
A-Rod being accused by files that were supposed to be destroyed
Fair or unfair? Just wanted to hear people’s opinions on this.
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by 442 on Feb 9, 2009 11:34 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Tough one
But a good investigative reporter’s job is to damn everything else and get to the bottom of it. Now, the person who leaked it is an entirely different matter. To me this is a big story beneath the story. Were the samples and or names suppose to be destroyed? Who leaked? Did they only leak A-Rod? Why did they leak A-Rod? Will Selena end up getting subpoenaed only to refuse to give up her source?
Still more questions than answers, that means the subject isn’t going to go away any time soon I guess.
Angel Pitching, Angel Defense - get past that.
by vladtheimpaler on Feb 9, 2009 11:47 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I think it just shows that everyone is looking to blame someone else for the steroid era rather than own up to responsibility for it
And the answer is that it’s everyone’s fault.
by linkbruin on Feb 9, 2009 11:50 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
A-Hole
The New York Post’s front page is classic.
by Higz on Feb 9, 2009 4:35 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
ny post is so ridiculous
I hate it and love it all the same.
by BryanHarvey'sMoustache on Feb 9, 2009 7:14 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Wonderful side story in the making....
ESPN is breaking all sorts of land speed records trying to get themselves back out in front of this story, which was right under their very nose for years and lost to them in the muddle of their Yankees/Red Sox love-fest.
SI kicked their ass, and it’s embarrassing. And every day that this story grows, it just gets funnier to watch them hyperventilating to retake ownership.
by Stirrups on Feb 9, 2009 6:48 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
espn lives for NFL...nothing else exists in their world!
espn can blow me!
There are three things in my life which I really love: God, my family, and baseball. The only problem - once baseball season starts, I change the order around a bit. -- Al Gallagher
by K3YEROUT on Feb 9, 2009 6:49 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
It's sad that this no longer shocks nor awes me
Any new “outed” player isn’t really news. The news would really be a player who was clean during this whole era. That’s probably more uncommon at this point. But honestly, it happened and it’s time to move on. The union and the owners turned a blind eye, and the players tried to keep ahead of their competitors. Yeah this really downplaying it, but the past is the past now.
The step now is to ban all of these substances, crack down on testing, and have a no tolerance policy for steriods. Baseball has to move on or they will lose lots of fans. Simple dollars and cents really. They cheated, now we need to know that they don’t anymore. Let’s move on.
And as much as it pains me anyone who thinks there were no juicers on the 2002 angels team is only kidding themselves. It doesnt detract from their title at all, but one can’t be so naive.
by linkbruin on Feb 9, 2009 11:09 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Nothing new
Confirms that just about every player that played during the so-called “Steroid Era” took some type of performance enhancing drugs.
Looks like we will soon be back to the years when 34 home runs leads the league.
by stolenbases on Feb 10, 2009 3:57 AM PST reply actions 0 recs

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