Pedro Martinez to the Angels?
by JKauf90 on Mar 10, 2009 5:50 PM PDT
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With both Ervin Santana and Kelvim Escobar out for at least May, do the Angels need to sign a free agent pitcher?
Here's my take from SoCal Sports Hub.com:
With Santana and Kelvim Escobar both on the DL to start the season, one things is now clear. The Angelsmust make a move.
With two of their starters sidelined, young and inexperienced right-handers Dustin Moseley and Nick Adenhart will be taking the hill for the Halos. And to be quite frank, I don’t trust either of these guys.
Should they sign Pedro Martinez?
However, I’m quite intrigued by the idea of signing former Boston Red Sox and New York Met Pedro Martinez, who recently threw three shutout innings for the Dominican Republic in the World Baseball Classic on Saturday. The past three seasons in New York have been a struggle for Martinez, as he has battled through numerous injuries. But, when healthy, there is no question, that Pedro is one of baseball’s better pitchers. Just a few years back in 2005, he posted an impressive 15 win season with the Mets, while also recording an impressive 2.82 ERA. I don’t think it would be a stretch to suggest that if healthy, Pedro could certainly revert back to his pristine 2004 or 2005 forms in some capacity.
Am I crazy or does Pedro to the Angels make some sense?
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Ummm......
There are many good reasons to and not to sign Pedro
For:
1. He’ll be better than any person in farm
2. At a cheap price for his talent
3.Showed good stuff in WBC
4. Veteran presence
5. Like Spidey, a very calm guy in locker room and can guide younger players
Against
1. No guaranteed success
2. Not REALLY needed for whole season
3. Opens up opportunity to give Adenhart a chance
4. Will get hurt
5. We might overpay
6. His jerecurl is hideous
Tex went to the dark side.
About No.1
I hear you on number one with no guaranteed success but if they sign him for just $4 million than there isn’t much risk if he doesn’t perform or gets hurt.
Visit SoCal Sports Hub.com.
No one is a guaranteed success
except me in bed.
I can see October from Arizona!
by Rally Manatee on Mar 11, 2009 5:33 PM PDT up reply actions
Isn't your wrist getting sore by now?
by Stirrups on Mar 11, 2009 5:47 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
Is anyone watchin the classic
this is so intense
i am loving this
1-1 Netherlands vs DR
Watching the Halos from Princeton University. The random Halo fan in a sea of Bosux and Skankee fans.
by princeton11loveshalos on Mar 10, 2009 7:13 PM PDT reply actions
Unbelievable.
I watched the last 5 innings or so.
I can’t believe they did it twice.
~Till the Halo burns out...
I missed that.
Yeah he does not have a good track record these days
Play Wood already. Willits sucks.
If you compare windups from now and 2008/2007, Pedro is putting less pressure on his body
also, his command is better than last year
Tex went to the dark side.
by vlad IS my man on Mar 10, 2009 8:43 PM PDT up reply actions
Pedro
Am I crazy or does Pedro to the Angels make some sense?
I think you answered your own question—your mentioned that the last good season Martinez had was 2005.
Over the past three seasons he is a combined 17-15 across 48 starts. Last season alone he was 5-6 over 20 starts with a WHIP of 1.569, with batters hitting .294 off him.
This is 2009. Believing he is capable of significantly more than Loux is a fool’s game.
Barring a meltdown by either Loux or Moseley, both will open the season as the #4 and #5. Assuming Santana is back in the mix by mid-May and Escobar continues to improve to join the rotation by mid-June, then there is no need to bother signing Pedro.
There is no way
The Halos are going to sign him to do a two month job. Maybe even a one month job, seen as though Santana and Escobar might be ready by May or even April. It won’t happen unless someone’s sidelined completely and if it does, which starter is going to give up his job?
I made a fanpost a while back
about how Pedro might make some sense for this team. We can get him on the cheap and if he doesn’t pan out, then call up Moseley or Adenhart, whichever one isn’t already in the rotation filling in for Santana. I wouldn’t expect Pedro to be an ace or even revert back to 2004 form but I definitely think he can do a lot better than the 5.56 ERA he posted last year and I think he could be better than Garland.
by Chzburger Jones on Mar 11, 2009 1:08 AM PDT reply actions
Better than Garland?
That’s an interesting claim.
Love him or hate him, Garland covered 200 IP for the Angels last year. Martinez has pitched a combined 270 IP over the last three seasons. Going back to Joel Sherman’s comments (posted in another thread here), expecting Pedro Martinez to ever resemble the pitcher we last saw in 2005 is a longshot bid at best.
Loux is a low-risk/high reward signing which has paid off well thus far in the Spring. Moseley is…well, he’s Moseley. It seems unlikely we’d need one of them for more than the first 6 to 8 weeks of the season, and that we’d need both for more than the first 10 to 12 weeks. Assuming that Santana’s injury requires little more than a few weeks of rest and rehab, and that Escobar’s progress continues unabated, then Pedro is superfluous to the team’s plans.
by George Kaplan on Mar 11, 2009 4:19 AM PDT up reply actions
Loux?
I agree with the low risk part, but I don’t see in any way how he is high reward..
by Darth Invader on Mar 11, 2009 9:00 AM PDT up reply actions
We haven't seen much of Loux
But from what we have seen, he seems pretty decent. Probably better than Moseley, although that’s not hard.
In a perfect world...
So if there are no new injuries, if Santana’s UCL isn’t worse than we think it is, and if Escobar continues to exceed expectations with his recovery, then we won’t have to truck out 1-2 garbage pitchers per week after the first three months of the season?!?
I’m sure the Angels would be fine this season if this happens, but I am not comfortable with this as the best-case scenario. Picking up Pedro on a one-year deal similar to Smoltz’s would be a real low-risk/high-reward signing. Reverting back to 2005 form is far from realistic and we won’t get 200+ innings out of him, but he’s going to have a better season than either Loux or Moseley – and we’re in a great position to take advantage of that.
Agree
even assuming that Pedro can’t be expected to have more than league-average stuff, I’d rather see league-average stuff in his hands than in Moseley’s or Loux’s. He’s still Pedro, after all, and 125 or so innings of that wouldn’t be a bad thing.
Pedro wants guaranteed money he said he will not sign a bargain deal
He also prefers the NL
Play Wood already. Willits sucks.
Remember that Mosely and Loux are out of options
getting Pedro might mean losing one of these guys for good.
GA GA he's the man, if he can't do it, no one can
I think I'll be able to sleep at night
if we lost Moseley for good.
by Caseys Kiss of Death on Mar 11, 2009 2:38 PM PDT up reply actions
Well then
let’s just trade Lackey and Joe, too…our rotation problems are solved.
Who cares.
by Caseys Kiss of Death on Mar 16, 2009 10:03 PM PDT up reply actions
I just wanted to point out he looked good
But it’s hard to argue with your reasoned response. I suppose you wanted to get rid of Voodoo last spring too.
GA GA he's the man, if he can't do it, no one can
That is the worst comparison I have ever heard in my entire life
nevermind the fact that I was one of the most staunch Ervin defenders last year.
by Caseys Kiss of Death on Mar 18, 2009 4:47 PM PDT up reply actions
Don't automatically assume
that Ervin will be back soon. Within the last couple years, the Twins had two valuable pitchers go down with what was initially called a elbow ligament strain and both ended up having Tommy-John surgery. Those pitchers were Francisco Liriano and Pat Neshek.
by AngelsFanInMinnesota on Mar 11, 2009 12:43 PM PDT reply actions
Our best info at the moment is that it's minor.
Most official projections right now have him coming back mid-April. Here on Halos Heaven, we overshot that significantly, with a projected return of May 15.
~Till the Halo burns out...
With team line being mid-April still?
It’s not like they’re always wrong. Lackey was back exactly when they said he’d be back last season.
~Till the Halo burns out...
That's Carrol's line, but I'm not sure I buy it.
For one thing, he says it depends on the size of the tear. Given that the Angels Org has the MRI and actually knows the size of the sprain/tear, it seems to me that they probably have a much better idea of what they are looking at in terms of recovery.
Now yes, all sorts of bad developments could still occur. But it’s also possible that it clears up and he’s back for the season opening, just like Ervin thinks he’ll be. Missing a month and a half of the season isn’t really the most optimistic possible line to take here. It seems more like a decent reality buffer compared to the official line to me.
~Till the Halo burns out...
IF it is something which requires TJ surgery
then make a deal for Jake Peavy. That would replace Santana with a premium arm, and Santana’s return would simply make the rotation that much better. The surgery typically requires a year off, then the pitcher doesn’t regain form until one season of play has passed.
Either way, Pedro doesn’t provide $5M of improvement to the team.
We need Pedro
1. He could replace Santana while Ervin is out.
2. He could be the #5 starter – the other options are not impressive
3. We could really use him if another starter gets hurt. How do we know Weaver will make it through 30 starts? Lackey had his injuries last year. Saunders once missed a full season.
Pitcher get hurt all the time. Nobody can predict which one will get hurt or when, but you can safely bet that somebody will get hurt. It never hurts to have more depth.
Please sign Pedro.
Once again
The 4th and 5th spots are expected to be filled in May by Santana and Escobar, which I almost guarantee you will have a better year than Pedro.
It's not just a two month job, fellas
if you remember correctly, it was a FOUR man rotation (with Loux/Moseley being #5) BEFORE Ervin went down…now it’s THREE men, with those two potential flops both at the back end.
Sign him. Worst case scenario, the Angels eat a few million bucks and Pedro is as bad as Loux was to begin with.
by Caseys Kiss of Death on Mar 11, 2009 2:40 PM PDT reply actions
He is hitting 92 on the gun allegedly. With a tail. May be worth a flier
Play Wood already. Willits sucks.
He pitched 3 innings.
Against the Netherlands. Whose #3 hitter is Randall Simon.
Although I do think that he does make some sense, let’s not get too excited.
replacement level analysis
Bad mouth Randall Simon all you want
the man is responsible for my most favorite MLB moment in the history of everything.
I mean, I’d like to see you take a better lookin’ swing at a sausage.
by Caseys Kiss of Death on Mar 12, 2009 2:50 AM PDT up reply actions
Oh, and hey
our man Hainley is on that team.
No bad-mouthing!
by Caseys Kiss of Death on Mar 12, 2009 2:52 AM PDT up reply actions
Pedro and LAD via Rosenthal
The bottom line is that the Dodgers are not going to meet Martinez’s price — a minimum $5 million guarantee plus significant incentives, according to one executive. Their fear, the Mets’ fear and every interested team’s fear is that Martinez, 37, will again break down
http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/9328234/Dodgers-not-willing-to-take-risk-at-Pedro%27s-ask-price
Play Wood already. Willits sucks.
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