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Saint Paddy's Day Spring Game Thread

1:05 PM - John Lackey is pitching for the Angels on the road against the Padres.

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by K3YEROUT on Mar 17, 2009 12:48 PM PDT reply actions   1 recs

Good guys!

Matthews, CF
Mathis, C
Rivera, LF
Quinlan, 1B
Wood, SS
Brown, M, 3B
Rodriguez, S, 2B
Pettit, RF
Lackey, P

There are three things in my life which I really love: God, my family, and baseball. The only problem - once baseball season starts, I change the order around a bit. -- Al Gallagher

by K3YEROUT on Mar 17, 2009 12:49 PM PDT reply actions   1 recs

Bad guys

Gerut, CF
Eckstein, 2B
Giles, RF
Kouzmanoff,
Blanks, 1B
Headley, LF
Alfonzo, C
Rodriguez, L, SS
Geer, P

There are three things in my life which I really love: God, my family, and baseball. The only problem - once baseball season starts, I change the order around a bit. -- Al Gallagher

by K3YEROUT on Mar 17, 2009 12:50 PM PDT reply actions   1 recs

Truth.

~Till the Halo burns out...

by Zu Long on Mar 17, 2009 2:00 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Oh and since we are having so much fun...

KLAA audio Link via MLB.com

There are three things in my life which I really love: God, my family, and baseball. The only problem - once baseball season starts, I change the order around a bit. -- Al Gallagher

by K3YEROUT on Mar 17, 2009 12:58 PM PDT reply actions   1 recs

Wood at SS!!!

Nice. Give the kid a chance to earn that job since it looks like he’s not gonna have a shot at third.

by Wytelitning on Mar 17, 2009 1:04 PM PDT reply actions   1 recs

Lackey's playing with the 'B' team

Should still be enough against the Pads

by SoCalWine on Mar 17, 2009 1:09 PM PDT reply actions   1 recs

Q!!!!!!!!!

HR!

Show 'em your a panther... Show 'em what you can do....

by stuck in Romania on Mar 17, 2009 1:16 PM PDT reply actions   1 recs

we stil got quitlin? ;)

by Downing Rules on Mar 17, 2009 2:25 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Yes

You we quiltin

Light Up That Halo!

by Clutch on Mar 17, 2009 6:40 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

********HOMRUN***********Rob Quinlan!**************

Recipient of the 2008 "The Iron Man" award from scottnak of Halos Heaven!

by 44FAN on Mar 17, 2009 1:18 PM PDT reply actions   1 recs

Q stands for clutch.

Plugging the upside since 2006.
Never give up, never surrender!

by TheOptimist on Mar 17, 2009 1:20 PM PDT reply actions   1 recs

3-0 Angels now.

Plugging the upside since 2006.
Never give up, never surrender!

by TheOptimist on Mar 17, 2009 1:37 PM PDT reply actions   1 recs

Unfortunately

It’s against the Padres, which is similar to him pitching well against a single A team. It’s still better than not pitching well, but I’m not going to read too much into it.

I feel the need, the need...for speed!

by Gorbachav5 on Mar 17, 2009 1:47 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

The B+ team is also hitting well. 4-0, runners on the corners.

Plugging the upside since 2006.
Never give up, never surrender!

by TheOptimist on Mar 17, 2009 1:50 PM PDT reply actions   1 recs

GMJ with a bloop 2-RBI single. 6-0.

Plugging the upside since 2006.
Never give up, never surrender!

by TheOptimist on Mar 17, 2009 1:53 PM PDT reply actions   1 recs

I tell ya…GMJ would play well in the NL

There are three things in my life which I really love: God, my family, and baseball. The only problem - once baseball season starts, I change the order around a bit. -- Al Gallagher

by K3YEROUT on Mar 17, 2009 2:06 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Of course.

It’s AAAA.

~Till the Halo burns out...

by Zu Long on Mar 17, 2009 2:07 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Rivera still cold as ICE!

:(

There are three things in my life which I really love: God, my family, and baseball. The only problem - once baseball season starts, I change the order around a bit. -- Al Gallagher

by K3YEROUT on Mar 17, 2009 2:04 PM PDT reply actions   1 recs

Hence,

…he will start the season on fire!

There are three things in my life which I really love: God, my family, and baseball. The only problem - once baseball season starts, I change the order around a bit. -- Al Gallagher

by K3YEROUT on Mar 17, 2009 2:10 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

No...

He’s just gonna allow Soth to justify starting GMJ early and often.

by Wytelitning on Mar 17, 2009 2:11 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

ouch….

There are three things in my life which I really love: God, my family, and baseball. The only problem - once baseball season starts, I change the order around a bit. -- Al Gallagher

by K3YEROUT on Mar 17, 2009 2:12 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Heh. Eckstein starts a rally.

Why does THAT sound familiar?

~Till the Halo burns out...

by Zu Long on Mar 17, 2009 2:11 PM PDT reply actions   1 recs

closer by committee................

w00000000

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12/19/08 - Thank you KLJ for coming into my life.

by norcaliangelsfan on Mar 17, 2009 2:37 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

bored eh?

Show 'em your a panther... Show 'em what you can do....

by stuck in Romania on Mar 17, 2009 2:41 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Yeah...

stuck in “Office Space”

by Downing Rules on Mar 17, 2009 2:43 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

sounds like someone has a case of the

Tuesdays………….

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by norcaliangelsfan on Mar 17, 2009 2:44 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

“I got a meeting with ‘the Bobs’ in 5 minutes.”

by Downing Rules on Mar 17, 2009 2:50 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

"So you've been missing alot of work lately"

A person who performs good Karma (deeds) is always held in high esteem
12/19/08 - Thank you KLJ for coming into my life.

by norcaliangelsfan on Mar 17, 2009 2:51 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

“Well, Bob… I wouldn’t exactly say I’ve been missing it!” (all chuckle).

by Downing Rules on Mar 17, 2009 2:53 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

lol indeed........

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by norcaliangelsfan on Mar 17, 2009 2:54 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

“Damn it feels good to be a gangsta!”

by Downing Rules on Mar 17, 2009 2:54 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

its actually

gansta……….haha…..one of my worst typo’s ever on here.

A person who performs good Karma (deeds) is always held in high esteem
12/19/08 - Thank you KLJ for coming into my life.

by norcaliangelsfan on Mar 17, 2009 2:55 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

“Ridin around town in a drop-top benz
Hittin switches in my black six-fo”

by Downing Rules on Mar 17, 2009 2:57 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

I helped........

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by norcaliangelsfan on Mar 17, 2009 2:44 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

lol

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by norcaliangelsfan on Mar 17, 2009 2:43 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Is everyone else wearing A's colors today?

It’s the only day of the year where it’s OK to wear green.

by Downing Rules on Mar 17, 2009 2:49 PM PDT reply actions   1 recs

And the added bonus is...

it’s not even regular season yet, so nobody could confuse you with being an A’s fan.

by Downing Rules on Mar 17, 2009 2:49 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

*Watches Fuentes get knocked around by the Padres*

Eyes K-Rod schooling people in the WBC

sighs

~Till the Halo burns out...

by Zu Long on Mar 17, 2009 2:54 PM PDT reply actions   1 recs

Good news....

He still has a few weeks to iron things out. Stay positive.

by Downing Rules on Mar 17, 2009 2:55 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

tis march......

when Fuentes is giving up walk offs and go-ahead homers in the ALDS more so than Frankie…….then I will join you in pinning for him……..

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by norcaliangelsfan on Mar 17, 2009 2:57 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Dang ... lost in the shuffle of greenage...

i really truly meant to recommend this. Nicely put.

by Downing Rules on Mar 17, 2009 2:58 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

When Fuentes has a world series ring

you can pretend they’re equal. Not before.

~Till the Halo burns out...

by Zu Long on Mar 17, 2009 3:01 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Never said they were equal......

but just because Fuentes gets knocked around in a meaningless spring training games……doesnt mean he’s any worse of a closer than Frankie was.

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by norcaliangelsfan on Mar 17, 2009 3:02 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Correct. The statistical fact that he's a worse closer than Frankie

is what makes him a worse closer.

~Till the Halo burns out...

by Zu Long on Mar 17, 2009 3:05 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

You mean the decrease in his WHIP over the last 3 years each year....

compared the to increase of Frankies over that same period of time?

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by norcaliangelsfan on Mar 17, 2009 3:07 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

and fuentes pitches in a worse pitchers park than frankie......

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by norcaliangelsfan on Mar 17, 2009 3:08 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Yeah, over in AAAA

Meanwhile, K-Rod destroys Fuentes in ERA, Losses per Appearence, Save %, and WPA.

And before you start talking about playoff records, you might at least look up Fuentes. 7 earned runs in 9.2 innings during the Rockies 2007 run with 2 homers given up, good for a 6.52 ERA.

~Till the Halo burns out...

by Zu Long on Mar 17, 2009 3:14 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

LOL compared to Frankies 54.00 ERA in 2007

and 7.71 in 2008?

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12/19/08 - Thank you KLJ for coming into my life.

by norcaliangelsfan on Mar 17, 2009 3:16 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

3.13, my mistake.

~Till the Halo burns out...

by Zu Long on Mar 17, 2009 3:19 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

So obviously the Halos did the smart thing........

because the last 2 postseason series…….He’s pitched more like Dustin Moseley……….than the 2002-2005 Frankie………

Again I say…….we’re no more worse off this year…than we were last.

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by norcaliangelsfan on Mar 17, 2009 3:21 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

I see nothing obvious about it.

He’s had a whole 2.2 innings the last two seasons.

We are far worse off with Fuentes on the mound than Franky, whether you see it or not. The only question is whether the other clubs are going to stay close enough to us for it to make a difference.

~Till the Halo burns out...

by Zu Long on Mar 17, 2009 3:24 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Wait so we get a closer........

walks less batters per 9 innings…..

K’s more batters per 9 innings…….

Only has an ERA of .5 more than Frankie pitching the majority of his games at Coors……..

Who’s WHIP has consistantly decreased over the past 3 seasons (again pitching at COORS)

all the while Frankie’s velocity is down…..walks up……K’s down……WHIP way up…….

and you dont see anything obvious there?

Well then……I guess stats are wrong……why do we even bother using them for anything?

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12/19/08 - Thank you KLJ for coming into my life.

by norcaliangelsfan on Mar 17, 2009 3:27 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

So we take the 32 year old AAAA player

who happened to have a career year…

over the 27 year old guy who knocks him cold when it comes to actual production from the closer spot,

who blows fewer saves per opportunity

loses fewer games per appearance

while pitching in tougher situations on average

and contributing more Wins according to fangraphs

The only thing obvious to me is that while your stats have no real import in terms of games won or lost, and based entirely on one season

While my stats measure actual outcomes of games in terms of blown leads and losses, and have held true for the past four seasons the two players have been closers on their respective clubs.

~Till the Halo burns out...

by Zu Long on Mar 17, 2009 3:37 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

The real sad thing is that the 32 year old player seems to be getting better

while the 27 year old is declining………

Are you saying that the individual stats of each closer have no sway in the outcomes for their teams?

Because Fuentes stats lead me to believe that given the same type of consistant chances at Saves that Frankie got………

Fuentes will perform just as well….if not better

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by norcaliangelsfan on Mar 17, 2009 3:41 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

LOL thanks.....

Im just looking at it like I think the FO is……obviously the feel like Fuentes can do as well as Frankie did…..otherwise they woulda made bringing Frankie back priority 1….and would have given him whatever money he wanted….

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by norcaliangelsfan on Mar 17, 2009 3:58 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

There's a conversation between Zu and myself...

that goes out this far on the screen in another thread, saying quite the same thing. I personally think that Fuentes’ Loss % is inflated by injury in a time when he lost four games in a row. Also, he comes into a lot more tied games (something Frankie RARELY does) and so the LOSS percentage increases.

But, Zu has his numbers and fangraphs to back him up. So he makes good points, but there are certainly a lot of indicators that say GREAT MOVE, but some others that say NOT GREAT MOVE.

My research has led me to think that the great move indicators are slightly greater than the bad move ones.

by Downing Rules on Mar 17, 2009 4:02 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Yeah I was looking at that too.....

Frankie pretty much only comes in when its a save opp….and thats it…and based on his GP and his INN pitched Frankie pitches 1 inn and thats it…….

69 GP last year…and 68 1/3 IP….

Fuentes meanwhile had 48 GP and over 62 IP…..thus obviously he avg more than 1 IP per apperance.

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by norcaliangelsfan on Mar 17, 2009 4:05 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

That was a manager preference

 rather than a commentary on K-Rod’s ability.

Scioscia did the same thing with Percival most of the time, and will likely treat Fuentes the same way. For K-Rod’s ability to go beyond one inning, one need only look at the WBC, where he’s had two such appearances in the space of a week.

On a different note I’m not sure where you got 48 GP. ESPN.com says it was 67 Games, 62.2 IP, which would obviously be an average of less than an inning.

I already responded to the comment about Fuentes’ injury elsewhere, but I’ll do so again here. If you use his injury as an excuse for the losses, then I think you’d have to excuse K-Rod’s April 2008, which was responsible for his lowered K/9 rate and his lowered average velocity.

I have yet to see a stat backing up Fuentes coming into more tied games than K-Rod. It’s certainly not impossible, but I’d like to know what the actual numbers are.

I have never argued that this move was bad financially, or really even tactically unsound. Fuentes will in all likelihood be just fine at closer. It is unlikely that the quality change will make a difference in where we finish this season. My point is simply that there IS a quality change, and I really feel that people who say differently are fooling themselves. K-Rod dropped in a few peripheral stats due largely to a poor start to the season (see earlier note on injury). By the end of the year he had regained both his strikeout rate and his velocity.

Fuentes had a career season last year, marking personal bests in K/9, ERA, and Opp OPS. As a 33 year old, the chances that this season becomes his new standard of play are rather small. The chances that a 27 year old whose production was otherwise unchanged brings up a couple peripheral numbers are much better.

~Till the Halo burns out...

by Zu Long on Mar 18, 2009 5:14 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Data

2008:
Frankie 4 ties
Fuentes 10 ties

2007
Frankie 8 ties
Fuentes 7 ties

2006
Frankie 8 ties
Fuentes 4 ties

2005
Frankie 9 ties
Fuentes 9 ties

by Downing Rules on Mar 18, 2009 6:06 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

So in other words

It was once again only last season where Fuentes pitched in a lot more tied games, and over the past four seasons, the totals are nearly identical?

~Till the Halo burns out...

by Zu Long on Mar 18, 2009 6:10 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Yes, so we save $3m and get more draft picks.

verdict: Angels win. (now start saving some games doggone it Fuentes).

;)

by Downing Rules on Mar 18, 2009 11:47 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Actually,

Fuentes was a type A Free Agent just like Frankie, so we don’t gain any extra draft picks (They are slightly higher up in the draft order though). The difference, as you say, is a few million dollars.

I really wish we’d have just let Dondo close. That would have made more sense than signing a different guy to slightly less money.

But yeah, I hope Fuentes does great. And you won’t catch me freaking out and shouting that the sky has fallen if he struggles a bit at the start of the season. Just don’t expect me to buy into some myth that we wound up with a better player for less money.

~Till the Halo burns out...

by Zu Long on Mar 19, 2009 11:10 AM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Give up...

ZL is a Fuentes basher and has already made up his mind that he is not going to do as well as Frankie. He might be right, but he might not be.

by Downing Rules on Mar 17, 2009 3:52 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

I dont mind discussing things like this with Zu....

he knows his stuff…..he might be right about this……I dont know….but just from looking at the stats….and the trends Im seeing…….I just think Frankie isnt gonna be as dominate as he was……

And Fuentes will be servicable…….(today nonwithstanding)

We’ll see whos right after the year I guess

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12/19/08 - Thank you KLJ for coming into my life.

by norcaliangelsfan on Mar 17, 2009 4:03 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Yeah I remember reading that...

Im not sure why I didnt join in on that…..

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by norcaliangelsfan on Mar 17, 2009 4:08 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Awesome :)

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12/19/08 - Thank you KLJ for coming into my life.

by norcaliangelsfan on Mar 17, 2009 4:10 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

I feel "basher" is an unfair characterization.

I haven’t bashed him once. I haven’t said he sucks, that he’s worthless, that he’s lazy, that he’s going to destroy the team, or made any other comments degrading him either as a player or as a person.

I HAVE made up my mind that he isn’t going to be as good as K-Rod, because to me all available evidence says that he won’t be. I’ve also made up my mind that Morales will not be better than Teix, that Garland will not be better than Lackey, and that Hunter will not be better than Vlad. I might be wrong about any of those, but I can’t make any other prediction given what I know.

~Till the Halo burns out...

by Zu Long on Mar 18, 2009 5:24 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

7-7 Way to go Woodie!

Doubles!

C’mon Brownie!

There are three things in my life which I really love: God, my family, and baseball. The only problem - once baseball season starts, I change the order around a bit. -- Al Gallagher

by K3YEROUT on Mar 17, 2009 3:05 PM PDT reply actions   1 recs

no but he gave up 5

Watching the Halos from Princeton University. The random Halo fan in a sea of Bosux and Skankee fans.

by princeton11loveshalos on Mar 17, 2009 3:55 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Woohoo 9-7

Brownie doubles in two more including Woodie!

There are three things in my life which I really love: God, my family, and baseball. The only problem - once baseball season starts, I change the order around a bit. -- Al Gallagher

by K3YEROUT on Mar 17, 2009 3:07 PM PDT reply actions   1 recs

another 0-3 for rivera

ughhh

Watching the Halos from Princeton University. The random Halo fan in a sea of Bosux and Skankee fans.

by princeton11loveshalos on Mar 17, 2009 3:18 PM PDT reply actions   1 recs

slow starter......

like Timmy perhaps?

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by norcaliangelsfan on Mar 17, 2009 3:23 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Top 8.

9-7 Good guys.

~Till the Halo burns out...

by Zu Long on Mar 17, 2009 3:27 PM PDT reply actions   1 recs

hahaha rex huddler

hahahaha
its the top 8 11-7
coon hit another one out of the park

Watching the Halos from Princeton University. The random Halo fan in a sea of Bosux and Skankee fans.

by princeton11loveshalos on Mar 17, 2009 3:28 PM PDT reply actions   1 recs

nice job Coonster

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by norcaliangelsfan on Mar 17, 2009 3:29 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

LOL.

Dude has like 3 homers in his umpteen million minor league at bats, but has two this spring.

~Till the Halo burns out...

by Zu Long on Mar 17, 2009 3:38 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

12-7

Watching the Halos from Princeton University. The random Halo fan in a sea of Bosux and Skankee fans.

by princeton11loveshalos on Mar 17, 2009 3:33 PM PDT reply actions   1 recs

Ervin mini-update

Linkie

The club is being careful with Santana, who reported elbow discomfort and was shut down. “Ervin’s going to take it slow,” Scioscia said. “He has started to play catch again. There’s a lot that has to happen from right now before he’s going to play in a game for us. Right now, it’s baby steps, but he feels much better.”

There are three things in my life which I really love: God, my family, and baseball. The only problem - once baseball season starts, I change the order around a bit. -- Al Gallagher

by K3YEROUT on Mar 17, 2009 3:50 PM PDT reply actions   1 recs

another halo victory

Watching the Halos from Princeton University. The random Halo fan in a sea of Bosux and Skankee fans.

by princeton11loveshalos on Mar 17, 2009 3:57 PM PDT reply actions   1 recs

From SB, I can only recall Toad the Wet Sprocket and a ska band called “Spencer the Gardner”. N’er heard of the cacto-puses. What genre?

by Downing Rules on Mar 18, 2009 9:28 AM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Another Halo Victory!

Hats off to Coon-Dog’s homer.

Recipient of the 2008 "The Iron Man" award from scottnak of Halos Heaven!

by 44FAN on Mar 17, 2009 3:58 PM PDT reply actions   1 recs

Nice job by D-nasty......

2 IP of nothing……to close it out….

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by norcaliangelsfan on Mar 17, 2009 4:00 PM PDT reply actions   1 recs

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