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Ken Burns' "Baseball"

I had never seen this series before, so I decided it might be a good way to get fired up for the season. Right now, I'm watching Inning 8.

My take: great history (especially the early years); boring self-centered recollections from (now REALLY) aging east-coast writers, actors (hi Billy Crystal) and historians; great insight into the peripheral leagues and their impact; and some fun, colorful anecdotes that have helped make baseball the crazy and profound game it is.

In this round of the great "Cool Or Lame?" game (founded by our own cupie), I ask YOU to tell me what you think of this series.

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Ken Burns' "Baseball": Cool or Lame?
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Should be retitled

New York Baseball starring droolers who pat themselves on its nostalgiac shoulder with file footage of the polo grounds.

Watching Burns’ Jazz epic was basically seeing the history of Times Square billboards while minimizing heroin addiction and squalor as if they were spilled milk.

by Rev Halofan on Mar 20, 2009 12:08 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I liked the series

Except it seemed to dwell too much on the drug use. Mention it once and then move on.

I was uncool before uncool was cool.

by WiHaloFan on Mar 20, 2009 6:44 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I'm really fascinated with players of the dead ball era.

And I thought it was really cool to see those old films of those players

Phys: Well, Coon doesn't have a lot of power but he's a good bunter
Coon: F$%# That!
Thanks Zu

by halofan4life on Mar 20, 2009 8:01 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

my roomate and i watched every week when it aired on mlb network

if you’re a true baseball fan, how can you not love the series?

by NoDakHalo on Mar 20, 2009 9:34 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

One of the last times I ever inhaled....

… was when I watched the ‘70s episode, in Budapest, just floored by all the heroes of my youth with their crazy haircuts and awesome awesometasticness and it was literally the best thing ever in the history of great things and then …… one of the dudes I was watching it with, who’d I’d known vaguely for many years in many countries, confessed that A) he was actually a Gulf War veteran (imagine a dude even less likely than the character in “Generation Kill”), and that B) he was the head tank commander in one of that war’s most deadly friendly fire incidents.

Needless to say, my fumigated mind wasn’t ready for all that input, and so, like Ringo, I don’t smoke it no mo’. Though I’d love to see that episode again.

by mattwelch on Mar 20, 2009 9:59 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

There's nothing friendly about it

Lining a foul into your own dugout at your teammates is more friendly than firing a tank shell and hitting soldiers that are on your side. As a rule of thumb the fewer the casualties the higher the percentage of friendly fire victims. History is full of friendly fire incidents. I am currently reading “The Gamble” by Thomas Ricks. It is a good sequel to his book “Fiasco.” I cannot read baseball books all the time. When a foul is lined close to where we are sitting at the ballpark I yell “Incoming!”

by Yetijuice on Mar 20, 2009 10:43 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Cool

But I somewhat share the Rev’s sentiment.

And thanks to yeswecan for calling out Billy Crystal, the lamest self-proclaimed baseball expert and all-time queen of the Yankee fanboys. It makes my blood boil to hear that guy talk about baseball.

by Higz on Mar 20, 2009 10:50 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

An excerpt from The Simpsons...

“I’ll be the pitcher!”
“I’m the catcher!”
“I’m the guy at the ballpark everybody hates.”
“The Umpire?”
“Billy Crystal.”

"I've got more action than my man John Woo
And I've got mad hits like I was Rod Carew" - Shure Shot, The Beastie Boys

by Zoe Necrosis on Mar 20, 2009 11:27 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

On the topic of Simpsons baseball-related quotes...

Bart: "I’m Tomokazu Ohka of the Montreal Expos!"
Milhouse: "And I’m Esteban Yan of the Tampa Bay Devil Rays!"

(Bart was batting. Milhouse was pitching.)

Ain't no stoppin' us now. We got the groove!!

by Fan Since 1981 on Mar 20, 2009 12:54 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

And how could we forget...

Mike Scioscia’s appearance as a hard-working power plant worker playing for the softball team.

by BruinHalo on Mar 20, 2009 1:22 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

who ended up in a hospital with radiation poisoning.

Phys: Well, Coon doesn't have a lot of power but he's a good bunter
Coon: F$%# That!
Thanks Zu

by halofan4life on Mar 20, 2009 4:25 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thought he was a Mets fan

or is that only when they are winning.

by eyespy on Mar 20, 2009 5:43 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

In City Slickers he was

evidently he’s a Clipper fan too

by stolenbases on Mar 21, 2009 12:11 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Billy is the embodiment of Yankee-fan condescention

He could barely hold back his glee when talking about the Dodgers moving to LA.

I hate to defend the Dodgers, but Billy said something like “they might as well have moved to Mars!” as a phony way of trying to show empathy for Brooklyn Dodger fans. Fuck you, Billy, and your faux respect for other teams. Drag your craggy ass out to do a showcase at-bat in Spring Training, then go back to your palace.

by yeswecan on Mar 20, 2009 9:44 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I've seen this series numerous times.

I don’t know what it says to my character but I very much enjoy listening to a bunch of old farts reminisce about baseball.

I love the novelty of Bill Plympton, an englishman with a very proper accent, talking about childhood baseball memories.

I enjoy quotations such as the one Gerald Early offered: “I believe that two thousand years from now when they study this culture there will be only three things America will be known for – the constitution, jazz music, and baseball. Those are the three most perfectly designed things this country has created.”

I like the articulate and stat-loaded analysis of George Will.

Hell, I even like the contributions of that walking thesaurus Bob Costas.

And I don’t believe that anyone can’t enjoy Buck O’Neil’s stories about his days playing with Satchel Paige, Josh Gibson, Jackie Robinson, et al.

Yeah, the series all in all spends a big honking amount of time on the Yankees and Dodgers, and the Angels are only referenced twice: once when the narrator says “… the team then moved to Anaheim and became the California Angels.” And then later during the section on free agency there’s a picture of Ryan with an Angels cap. And that’s it.

But all that dead-ball era stuff makes up for it to me, particularly when it creates portraits of characters like Rube Wadell.

Maybe I won’t need it as much now that there’s the MLB network, but that series sure makes getting through the winter a lot easier.

"I've got more action than my man John Woo
And I've got mad hits like I was Rod Carew" - Shure Shot, The Beastie Boys

by Zoe Necrosis on Mar 20, 2009 11:41 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Cool - I loved it

Very informative, lots of good stories. And for those who criticize the East Coast bias – there wasn’t major league baseball out west until the ’50’s. And the Yankees/Giants/Dodgers were a HUGE part of baseball for the first half of the 20th century. That’s just the way it was.

I feel the need, the need...for speed!

by Gorbachav5 on Mar 20, 2009 12:16 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

No mention of the Phillies

Think about it, at some point the title BASEBALL is false and misleading.

by Rev Halofan on Mar 20, 2009 12:35 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Agreed

I hate the Yanks as much as most on this blog, but 26 World Championships sorta constitutes a huge chunk of the history of the game, like it or not. It’s like watching a doc on the history of the NBA and whining that the Clippers are hardly mentioned among the countless stories about the Celtics. Or, I was watching a documentary on the US presidents, and there was too much Washington, Lincoln, and FDR and hardly a mention of Millard Fillmore. History is written by the winner.

Apologies in advance.

by Red114 on Mar 20, 2009 12:42 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

but it is not called Baseball Champions

And Millard Fillmore took the unprecedented action of allowing California to become a state even thought the population minimums wre so spread out. SoCal could have been its own state if old Millard had followed protocol… but he wanted all of Sutter’s gold.

by Rev Halofan on Mar 20, 2009 9:37 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Wait til Burns makes “Hockey” then you’ll realize what East Coast bias is.

Nobody cares about your opinion.

by brokenyard on Mar 20, 2009 3:08 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Bob Costas, you're no Grantland Rice

I’d rather hear commentary from George Will.

by PieceOfAase on Mar 20, 2009 3:15 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I'd rather not.

Captain, there are doubt's...

by Match Day 5 on Mar 22, 2009 7:31 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Cool, learning about history never hurt anybody.

With his faults, Burns at least makes learning about history entertaining for people who have no interest otherwise. A baseball fan watching this film will also get some general background history of the country along with the baseball history. Talking to young people these days, it seems they have stopped teaching history in school all together.

Recipient of the 2008 "The Iron Man" award from scottnak of Halos Heaven!

by 44FAN on Mar 20, 2009 4:23 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

when i was in high school (all of 7 years ago)

history was taught in a continuous series of footnotes and bullets. they covered the big wars and certain presidents to some length, but it took a few of us with a genuine interest in history to learn about it in depth on o9ur own.

Phys: Well, Coon doesn't have a lot of power but he's a good bunter
Coon: F$%# That!
Thanks Zu

by halofan4life on Mar 20, 2009 4:28 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

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