Angels offered Sabathia $100MM over 5
by hauldog on Apr 3, 2009 12:44 PM PDT
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S.L. Price's fabulous Sabathia feature in the Sports Illustrated baseball preview issue contains this nugget: The Angels offered Sabathia a five-year contract for $20 million a year with a 24-hour window. I don't know exactly what Sabathia thought of this offer, but he did tell me at one point that the interest from his home state California teams "wasn't what you think," meaning it was less.
I am not really sure what the Ninja was thinking on this one. I guess he was going for the hometown discount. It seems to me that quick strike strategy is not effective with the highest caliber stars. Those signings seem to always drag on.
Anyhow I thought this was interesting and I had not seen it reported elsewhere.
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Never hurts to try
The offer is clearly not insulting.
Play Wood already. Willits sucks.
by hauldog on Apr 3, 2009 12:52 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
C'mon Ninja only 100 mil. for C.C.
He has a family to support and sweat pants to buy. Funny how his desire to play on the west coast disappeared following the skanks contract offer.
YOU DON'T KNOW THE POWER OF THE DARKSIDE.....
by halofolife on Apr 3, 2009 12:55 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
hahahaha
perhaps they should include a clothing stipend- way to go Latrell
There is an "Angel in the outfield" and his name is GA! ps. he is lazy but not a bum GO HALOS!
by wallispdub1 on Apr 3, 2009 12:57 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
i fail to see how 5 year 20 per is a bad offer
i think lackey signs with an offer as such. the next logical question is has lackey been offered this? there is still time to sign him….
There is an "Angel in the outfield" and his name is GA! ps. he is lazy but not a bum GO HALOS!
by wallispdub1 on Apr 3, 2009 12:56 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
It is an excellent offer now...
Just not enough back then. The sports landscape is going to change a bit this year, and I would get pretty serious if I was Lackey now to try and get a deal done especially with arm problems in back to back years.
by Wytelitning on Apr 3, 2009 1:13 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree...
but an overwhelming majority (i’d venture to guess 85%) on this site disagree with us, stating that the market for #1’s will not decline.
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by Downing Rules on Apr 3, 2009 1:14 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think too...
that it can be very dangerous in this climate to make an offer right now. Lackey has made it clear that he wants to test the market and we could eliminate ourselves by making an offer right now.
by Wytelitning on Apr 3, 2009 1:41 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
A la FRod
Circa 2008.
Warm beer is infinitely colder than no beer.
by ostthomas on Apr 3, 2009 2:23 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Exactly...
wasn’t hard for me to come up with that scenario.
by Wytelitning on Apr 3, 2009 3:29 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
No, Lackey would likely have signed if we had.
It’s mostly a problem of age. If Lackey were three years younger then giving him that contract might make sense. As things stand, it’s less justifiable.
I’m just as glad though. I’m really hesitant at giving that much money to a guy who doesn’t play every day.
~Till the Halo burns out...
by Zu Long on Apr 3, 2009 1:14 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
neither lackey or sabathia are worth 5/100
These guys pitch once every five days…why the hell should they make 600k a start? That is obscene.
by jtkelly86 on Apr 3, 2009 1:01 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
well if you think of it this way
A batter controls the outcome of a game say 650 times a year (PAs). A pitcher who pitches 200 innings (200 innings x 1.2 whip lets say x 3 outs per inning)= 720 outcomes. Obviously defense has to be taken into account, but are there really going to be 70 plays over the course of a season that one player can make over another (obviously were not talking about sizemore v Bengie Molina in CF, but people that play the same position). The big time starters are worth the money, but virtually no reliever ever is worth anywhere near that kind of money.
That'll only happen if that one prospect is the second coming of Christ and redemption for mankind can only be achieved by smacking many balls out of the yard.
-The Limey
by anaheim angels on Apr 6, 2009 11:52 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm glad Sabathia turned down that offer.
Just because we was the best available this year, does not make him the best over the next 5 years.
by snowhor on Apr 3, 2009 1:30 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
the only guys who deserve 20+ mil are guys in their prime
CC and Lackey are both leaving their primes.
by ihearhowie2.0 on Apr 3, 2009 1:36 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
???
CC is 28 this season.
~Till the Halo burns out...
by Zu Long on Apr 3, 2009 1:39 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
True dat. But (especially after last season) the jury is out on how old is arm has become.
by Stirrups on Apr 3, 2009 2:07 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He can always DH...
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by Downing Rules on Apr 3, 2009 2:27 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
i have read the story, and it says cc was uncomfortable having only 24 hrs to decide
anyway, it was a generous offer
Vlad cheated me. I thought he was 12.
by vlad IS my man on Apr 3, 2009 2:56 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
the Yankees offered 2 years and 61M
more than us i see why he went there
by Vladd#27 on Apr 3, 2009 3:04 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
yep, hard to argue with that kind of ca$hi$h.
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by Downing Rules on Apr 3, 2009 3:05 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Free Agent contracts in 2010
It will be interesting to see how this goes, but if I had to guess now I think we will see a lot of FA contracts written this winter with Scott Boras-style opt-out clauses for 2012 or so. Assuming the economy and baseball salaries in general improve, that would give the player the chance to reenter the market, perhaps while still in his good years. It would also protect against injury, since he can decline the opt out.
Someone smarter than I would know if the potential wrinkle might be the need to renegotiate and sign the collective bargaining agreement, which I think also expires at the end of 2011, but I don’t have the time or means right now to look that up.
In that scenario, signing Lackey might not be that difficult. Give him a 5 year deal for $60M and an opt-out clause for 2012 and I bet that wouldn’t be a tough sale.
by George Kaplan on Apr 3, 2009 3:13 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Amazon what a tight lid Reagins keeps on stuff
by mattwelch on Apr 3, 2009 3:29 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Not sure how much a role Amazon played in it
but I did get a pretty cheap RAM card from my laptop on their site!
by Caseys Kiss of Death on Apr 3, 2009 4:15 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Assuming the offer is true
Then it is pure Arte. Just as with Hunter, the idea is to step in, make an offer the team considers fair and not to be haggled with, then provide a deadline. History has shown Arte can’t stand having his offers used to leverage other offers from other teams. The Teixeira negotiations—a necessary evil in this case—must have damn near killed him, and his frustrated, angry response late in the process was perfectly in character.
I don’t see a free agent in the next Winter crop who will warrant this same sort of attention from the Angels. Holliday is both a Boras client and yet another OF, and as such doesn’t seem to have a place to play in Anaheim. One will assume that Brandon Webb and Josh Beckett will see their 2010 options picked up, so they’re not going to be available. Lackey and (if he’s healthy) Rich Harden could wind up being the marquee players as starters, and that gives some idea of how thin the crop will be. Many teams may well prefer to sign middle-road and medium-risk pitchers like Penny or Jason Marquis for much less money and load up on arms, instead of spending it all on every 5th start.
Of course, there is always the outside chance we could land Washburn…
by George Kaplan on Apr 3, 2009 4:31 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ben Sheets would likely lose his type A status
and if he can prove hes healthy, will def get a contract
That'll only happen if that one prospect is the second coming of Christ and redemption for mankind can only be achieved by smacking many balls out of the yard.
-The Limey
by anaheim angels on Apr 6, 2009 11:54 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm going to laugh my ass off
when the Yankees don’t win the world series again this year.
Cuz mark my words: it ain’t happening.
The Yankees spent too much time in the past acquiring expensive, problematic players who weren’t worth it (see: Kevin Brown, Carl Pavano, Jason Giambi, etc.). Though these guys were being added to a strong core of players, they were cost prohibitive enough to stop the Yanks from investing as much in homegrown talent, and kept them from pursuing better available players.
They sat around and waited, and finally have invested the money in some bona fide, worthwhile players in Teixeira and Sabathia (though I still have to scoff, particularly in this market, at the size of Burnett’s contract…and at the other two for that matter, considering how early on they paid the premium for those guys compared to the rest of the market). The problem is, the core of their franchise has now significantly aged, and is on the backside of the career.
Jeter seems to be regressing, Rivera is likely to take a turn soon, Posada is a injury risk every day, Damon is sliding, A-Rod is gone for who knows how long, Matsui can’t stay healthy. I think these moves are just too late in the coming. And as a team, the just have too many questions.
by Caseys Kiss of Death on Apr 3, 2009 4:21 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Not exactly a bold prediction
Play Wood already. Willits sucks.
by hauldog on Apr 3, 2009 4:23 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You'd never guess it
with all the fellating going on across the intra-nets.
by Caseys Kiss of Death on Apr 3, 2009 4:29 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Truth
I’m going to laugh my ass off
when the Yankees don’t win the world series again this year.
Cuz mark my words: it ain’t happening.
Even more significant are the continuing stories about how the Yankees aren’t selling the more expensive seats in the new Stadium. The franchise won’t go broke, but in this contracting sports economy, even the Yankees will have to exercise some sense of financial restraint. All those ideas that the Yankees will spend with abandon on free agents (like Lackey) in 2010 I think are nonsense, unless things change very dramatically with the economy and the fan reaction to the game today.
When the team fails to make the Wild Card at the end of this season and the mooks in the Bronx take after Girardi with torches and pitchforks, we’ll sit back and think about how great it is to have a team where the owner, GM and manager have a plan, work the plan, and find success from the plan.
by George Kaplan on Apr 3, 2009 4:35 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I know this no doubt sounds quite cocky
but I have every reason to believe that if you were to give me the kind of money that Steinbrennar is willing to pay, that I could quite easily build a better ballclub. I would never sign the Pavano/Brown/Giambi type contracts, for starters, and I wouldn’t have gotten played on that Burnett one, either.
Just give me mattwelch, scareduck, zu long, scottnak (to crunch the numbers on the calculator I like to imagine he always carries on him), the Rev, cupie, and acuda (to remind me to respect the Kendry) and we’ll do better with that cash than Cashman.
Also, I heard Hal Steinbrennar the other day admitted that his new tickets were overpriced (to say the least…calling them overpriced is a gross understatement. they’re outlandish and offensive to everyone who loves the game of baseball, and a slap in the face.). And yet, he also took the time to be defensive and say that they gauged the market correctly (a lie), and made no indication of a willingness to change them. Meanwhile, Sabathia made a very dickish comment the other day (not sure it was entirely intended). He was asked what he thought of fans who were now complaining about ticket prices being so high. Rather than be apologetic, or acknowledge that he’s getting hundreds of millions of dollars when other people are losing their homes, he basically said “yeah, that’s too bad that they can’t afford things anymore, but i hope they still come to our games!”
And yet here we are…the Blue Jays are offering season tickets for $76 bucks for upper view seats. And no, that’s NOT per-game.
by Caseys Kiss of Death on Apr 3, 2009 4:51 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
So Yankee fans could buy Toronto season tickets and
essentially get a 9 game mini-package for about $8.50 a game. Not bad. Anybody tell that to Hal?
by Stirrups on Apr 3, 2009 5:10 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Same tickets at Yankee Stadium
go for $22 bucks a pop.
by Caseys Kiss of Death on Apr 3, 2009 5:36 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good Lord
http://yankees.com/yankeespremium
Look how fucking snooty and pretentious and pompous that freakin’ page is. They just bask in the glow and radiance of how amazing a franchise they think they are. It’s a slap in the face to an entire country that’s going through economic chaos right now to parade around your fucking overpriced BASEBALL tickets as, and I quote “for those who only want the best in life.”
Who the fuck are these assholes trying to appeal to? Queen Elizabeth? Get the fuck over yourselves, Yankee shitheads. This disgusts me.
by Caseys Kiss of Death on Apr 3, 2009 5:44 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not only that...
And yet here we are…the Blue Jays are offering season tickets for $76 bucks for upper view seats. And no, that’s NOT per-game.
The price is in Canadian dollars—that’s just over US$60.
I like the OF seats for the Twins—$1 per 1,000 Dow points on that week’s close. That’s some smart marketing. A $21 seat for $7 or $8?
by George Kaplan on Apr 3, 2009 6:22 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Except it makes you root for the market to tank
at least it does if you’re particularly cheap.
by Caseys Kiss of Death on Apr 3, 2009 6:44 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Speaking of ticket prices.....
anyone seen this graph?
http://www.flipflopflyin.com/sport/2009tickets.html
Netherlands-2 Dominican Republic-0
by HaloDutch on Apr 4, 2009 6:03 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Awww...
I’m on the team. /sniff
:’)
~Till the Halo burns out...
by Zu Long on Apr 3, 2009 10:11 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
See, this is why you didn't make the team
You freakin’ clubhouse cancer.
Or should I call you, MR. HILLENBRAND!
by Caseys Kiss of Death on Apr 4, 2009 5:11 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
What job would that be
the pot smoking, or the over-exuberant leg-humping?
by Caseys Kiss of Death on Apr 4, 2009 6:55 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The "sitting on your butt watching all the games for free
without any real responsibility for rational behavior" job.
by Stirrups on Apr 4, 2009 7:33 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Compare that
to the Yankees ticket prices. Their prices at the new stadium AVERAGE $73/game, the highest of anywhere in the league.
by turs12 on Apr 4, 2009 9:23 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
CC
Maybe the Halos should have offered $101 million.
"why do you we still have quitlin?" -VladdyG
by cupie on Apr 3, 2009 5:04 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Someone should really start a thread that includes Roy "the man" Halladay or Cliff Lee
Let’s be real…..neither of their current ball clubs will be able to extend them. I have already started praying to baby Jesus to orchestrate the blue jays to end up having a bad season so that they can trade with the halos mid season through.
If I hear the word "red sox"...POW!!! RIGHT IN THE KISSER!!!
by Halofanatic on Apr 3, 2009 5:20 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Cliff Lee
I’d rather wait until he regresses to his norm, rather than pay top dollar for a #2 or #3 starter.
by Caseys Kiss of Death on Apr 3, 2009 5:37 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Amen
I like the guy, but his Spring Training was downright alarming, considering the season he had in 2007.
by George Kaplan on Apr 3, 2009 6:26 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
toronto is going to want to rebuild their future by trading halladay
unless we know lackey is a goner, i cant see us doing it. Adenhart & Walden look like the future and im sure the jays would expect both in a halladay trade.
and with abreu, figgins and maybe even vlad gone in 2010…we cant afford to just throw in Wood can we?
To be honest, i dont think we have the chips to make any marquee trades. We need big years from a lot of our prospects in the lower levels to up our value
by ihearhowie2.0 on Apr 3, 2009 6:01 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Halladay is signed only through 2010
This isn’t like trading for Peavy, who is signed through 2012, with an option for 2013. Few teams are going to empty their farm systems of prizes to get a guy who goes FA at the end of 2010.
He’ll score a top prospect, a mid-level with a good ceiling and a role player, but not much more. The Jays get salary relief and the chance to start anew.
by George Kaplan on Apr 3, 2009 6:25 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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