Dan Patrick: Scioscia best manager in baseball
Driving home today I heard Dan Patrick say on his radio show that he thought Mike Scioscia was the best manager in baseball. He was talking about this because Jon Heyman of Sports Illustrated recently published who he thought were the top ten MLB managers right now.
Here is Heyman's top five from his third annual list:
1. Tony La Russa, Cardinals
2. Scioscia, Halos
3, Francona, BoSux
4. Torre, that OTHER LA team
5. Ron Gardenhire, Twins.
To read who makes the bottom five and Heyman's thoughts check out the article HERE.
No doubt Scioscia is a great manager but sometimes his decisions make me wonder. After the live chat featured here with Mike Digiovanni a couple weeks ago, he seems to agree.
This IS NOT a criticism of Scioscia. I love the guy and do not yearn for the days of Buck Rodgers or Marcel Lachemann. I just want more beyond the usual fluff that people praise him for. A real baseball anaylsis of what Scioscia does that so many other managers don't. Often times, I feel like that is lacking in praise for Scioscia and it makes me skeptical.
Nevertheless, I wouldnt want anyone else leading this club even if he decided to bring Willits up yesterday... ; )
So who is your top five or ten?
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Dan Patrick is a smart man.
Sosh is doing something with the Angels that defies contemporary analytical study, perhaps because contemporary analytics is based on mainstream events and methods of the past. So Sosh is doing something different. Something that nobody can put a finger on. Something that is extremely successful. Something that spans players, general managers, and owners.
Patrick may just recognize that Sosh is playing a slightly different (elevated) game than everybody else, and may be a decade ahead of the rest of baseball. But since what he does is not easily identified and remains inaccessible, Sosh is too readily subjugated as “not quite the best”. Dan Patrick must think differently about the issue. Bravo.
by Stirrups on May 6, 2009 1:03 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Interesting comment....
Thanks for your thoughts.
Although stating that Scioscia “may be a decade ahead of the rest of baseball” seems a bit extreme.
Do it for Nick '09
by BryanHarvey'sMoustache on May 6, 2009 1:08 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I am not counting from 2009.
I am expecting that folks will get a good grip on his game macro-strategy any year now, and it will become well discussed. That would still mean that it took 10 years for folks to figure him out.
by Stirrups on May 6, 2009 1:18 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh, I think the "figuring out" is already happening...
As soon as the Soth disciples (Blackie Maddon, and now Wakamojo) start to filter out to the league…imitation and flattery etc…
Miss you Nick...! RIP
by K3YEROUT on May 6, 2009 3:54 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Soth
With his competition based philosophy towards positions and giving all of the roster players plenty of rest and playing time vs “OK, its been two weeks you’ve earned an every day start for the year” may take 30 years to catch on. Let’s hope so.
Angel Pitching (Adenhart), Angel Defense - get past that.
by vladtheimpaler on May 7, 2009 3:40 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't know what camp I fall in...
Soxh’s line up’s and his sticking with guys who are clearly not producing leaves me scratching my head. I can show you the bald spot if you like. That being said, what soxh brings to the team and to the bigger picture is stability and having every team at every level play the game the way Mike wants it to be played. Everyone at every level knows their role. Their is no confusion. Just Angel baseball.
Adenhart 1986-2009
by cupie on May 6, 2009 1:25 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I'd move him up one spot
Angel Pitching (Adenhart), Angel Defense - get past that.
by vladtheimpaler on May 6, 2009 1:55 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
and Dan Patrick agrees with you...
the list shown above was an SI one by Jon Heyman. I thought it was confusing too “scioscia best manager in baseball” at the title and yet it shows him second on the list below. The disconnect is that the title refers to the radio spiel by DP and the list inside refers to Heyman’s SI article.
In a year of such turmoil, whining still abounds.
by Downing Rules on May 6, 2009 2:54 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Doesn't matter
I love Danica Patrick so much, she could put him at ten and I would still be alright.
Angel Pitching (Adenhart), Angel Defense - get past that.
by vladtheimpaler on May 7, 2009 2:19 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hahaha!
Let's do this for Nick Adenhart, Courtney Stewart, and Henry Pearson.
by AlanFalcon on May 7, 2009 6:46 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd include Ozzie & Maddon on any list
And Buddy Black, if he gets anywhere near .500 with his sack of clods this year.
What Scioscia has done that’s arguably unique to baseball (with the possible exception of Maddon) is build an entire organizational culture from top down, one that has seemingly been both successful and sustainable. He has also — as much as we hate on him! — done an overall very good job in overhauling the major league roster with young in-house talent that happens to be inculcated with his vision. That’s different than, say, Torre.
His in-game strategies and lineups can certainly bug, as can his deference to veterans, and I think he needs to get another World Series before he really earns the top slot, but he’s damned close, and we’re damned lucky.
by mattwelch on May 6, 2009 2:42 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
thanks for the insight
I think I read you comment on the entire organizational culture that Sosh has helped build before on this site.
I guess his in-game strategies are what bugs sometimes like you said. And in the end, its those decisions that are going to win ball games. So i fear that sometimes its those decisions that hold us back.
Do it for Nick '09
by BryanHarvey'sMoustache on May 6, 2009 2:48 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
in-game strategies
At times I too get frustrated by his line-ups and in-game strategies, but the fact is that the Angels have the third most wins in mlb since 2000 (behind NYY and Bosux) and second most wins since 2004 (behind the yankee$).
by Idaho87 on May 6, 2009 4:07 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
true dat.
Do it for Nick '09
by BryanHarvey'sMoustache on May 6, 2009 11:17 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Tommy Lasorda is Bill Parcels...
Soth (Maddon, Black) is Bill Belichek (Mangini, Crennel).
Even though you can argue that the Belichek disciples have struggled, the key is that teams in both leagues will reward success and pluck from that tree as often as possible to try and recreate the same magic.
I thought is was and absolute steal the day he signed, and I’ll still feel that way in a decade.
by Wytelitning on May 6, 2009 3:00 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Showalter?
RIP Nick...
Jim Scully
Jim Scully Home
by jimmuscomp on May 6, 2009 7:06 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Different tree but I'll give it a shot without google...
Lasorda = Walsh
Holmgren (Reid, Gruden, Jouron?) = Soth (Maddon, Black)
by Wytelitning on May 7, 2009 9:33 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I got an idea...lets not compare them to football at all. Since its a completely different sport.
duh.
Do it for Nick '09
by BryanHarvey'sMoustache on May 6, 2009 11:17 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think he's casting
for the Moneyball movie.
*Ade-Rock 34*
by TheTypingFiend on May 6, 2009 11:28 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
NFL coaches play baseball coaches in a film.
ok ok…thats would be awesome.
Do it for Nick '09
by BryanHarvey'sMoustache on May 7, 2009 10:29 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Top 5 and Bottom 5
Torre
Cox
Francona
LaRussa
Leyland
Bottom 5:
Dusty Baker
by Salmonella on May 7, 2009 2:24 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs



















