Hard Nosed Torii Hunter
So I have been a baseball fan ever since I can remember. Although that has only been about 18 years, I love the game. I was driving home today thinking about baseball listening to Post Game Angel Talk. I started thinking about all of the hard nosed baseball players I could remember. There is only a few players I could think of that played the game harder then most. One that I feel stands out is Pete Rose, I think everyone would agree with that one. From books I have read I guess Honus Wagoner was a hard nosed old school guy. As far as in the game now I don’t think anybody comes close to Torii Hunter, the guy ran into the wall with an eight run lead and nobody on base. If you could ask him why he did it in that situation I think he would say, "a fly ball is a fly ball, and I am going to catch it." Or something humble and along that line.
I heard an interview with Torii on AM 830, the morning after that game, while I was on my way to work. One of the reporters asked him how he felt and he went on about how he will be sore but then said, "I love the meds though…. I think I’m high."
I wanted to get some other thoughts about this. Who do you think is the hardest player of all time? Who is the hardest now? Finally what do you think of the comment "I think I’m high."
Personally I loved the comment….
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I am all in favor of Torii's candor
The most balls out guy off the top of my head has to be Darin Erstad.
by Rev Halofan on Jun 17, 2009 10:02 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I have to agree with the Rev.
I had forgotten how “balls out” Erstad played, until I watched re-runs of the 2002 World Series games. The guy was just flying all over center field and on the baspaths. I don’t believe he yields ANYTHING to Pete Rose.
Torii Hunter is close. He has a bit more exuberance than Erstad. Erstad was all game, all serious, all the time.
by sothball on Jun 17, 2009 10:17 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Erstad was the guy I always pointed at when I took my sons to watch games when they were young.
Just watchiing him dash to first base regardless of the situation was an opportunity to teach giving your very best no matter what you think the outcome might be. And every now and then Erstad’s hustle, and speed, would force an error out of the opposing infielders proving the point.
Erstad was a 100%’er, 100% of the time. He will always be my all-time favorite.
We don't have a Bullpen. We have a Cowpen. Before we get to call it a Bullpen these guys gotta grow a pair.
by Stirrups on Jun 17, 2009 11:11 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would trade GMJ for Erstad straight up right now
NA 34
by blochead on Jun 17, 2009 11:27 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah. Hula and Ersty. That would be a hell of a combo.
Angels fan since '67
by red floyd on Jun 17, 2009 11:30 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
you could have FIVE infielders
with the ground those two could cover in tandem.
by Rev Halofan on Jun 17, 2009 11:31 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe that way Wood could play...
#34
by stuck in Romania on Jun 20, 2009 12:36 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ty Cobb.
We don't have a Bullpen. We have a Cowpen. Before we get to call it a Bullpen these guys gotta grow a pair.
by Stirrups on Jun 17, 2009 11:18 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I read once
that Ty Cobb had his tonsils removed and still played in an exhibition game later that day.
by Doctor Wu on Jun 17, 2009 11:35 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
The operation was apparently performed by a quack who was later committed.
"I've got more action than my man John Woo
And I've got mad hits like I was Rod Carew" - Shure Shot, The Beastie Boys
by Zoe Necrosis on Jun 18, 2009 4:51 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nolan Ryan...for pitchers anyways.
I know for pitchers its kinda different because they only play every fifth day. But when I hear stories about Nolan Ryan throwing 212 pitch games and then take into account how LONG he played, its hard to think of anymore more “hard-nosed”.
Not to mention he beat up a roided-out Robin Ventura when he was like 42.
Do it for Nick '09
by BryanHarvey'sMoustache on Jun 18, 2009 12:46 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Cobb, Ryan, Ersty
All great choices, all among my favorite players of all time—even though yes, I know Cobb could be a flaming a-hole at times. But all share one overriding characteristic: within the rules of the game, the boundaries of honor and the needs of the team, they would do whatever they possibly could to win.
Ryan is one of my life heroes, and is the reason why I developed an unquenchable love for the game. He was my hero because even with his natural talent, success did not come easily for him. He had to work very hard to tame his wildness. As a boy, this made a strong impression on me. I learned from him that talent is nothing without the hard work necessary to develop and channel it. Recently, Guby was talking about picking Ryan’s brain about his conditioning program. Ryan said he ran 15 miles of long distance, and then when he had gotten himself good and exhausted, he ran sprints until he could no longer move. That’s Pantheresque right there.
Ersty—well, we all remember him well. But two things stand out about him for me. The first was during the on-field celebration immediately after the deciding game 5 of the ALCS. Everyone else is jumping around in glee, but Ersty is stalking amongst his teammates with a warrior’s look on his face and his index finger pointed up, saying “ONE MORE! ONE MORE!” One more series, that is. Eyes always on the prize. The other was his home run in game 6 of the WS. Months later, it was revealed that he had hit that HR with a broken hand incurred several games previously. No complaints, no boasting, just getting the job done. God, I revere that guy.
With Cobb I must of course rely upon historical accounts, but one story stands out for me: typically, when he got to first base, he’d chat up the opposing team’s first baseman. Of course, we see that all the time now. But Cobb was doing it to take the first baseman’s mind off the game, so that he’d be rendered clueless when Cobb suddenly broke for second in mid-sentence. I love that sort of dedication to the inner game.
I think Torii deserves to be considered among this group, but he has something more: a built-in natural talent for living, an innate joy for life that is quite rare—not just among baseball players, but among humanity. Of all his evident attributes, it is this that I find the most admirable.
by rspencer on Jun 18, 2009 1:13 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
My most interesting Cobb story was where he wnet into the stands after a heckler.
He warned the opposing team that they needed to get control over this one heckler or there would be trouble. Nothing was done. The heckler kept it up. Cobb goes into stands after him and starts beating on the guy – who, by the way, was severely handicapped, but Cobb didn’t give a crap. They pull Cobb out and he gets suspended. Cobb’s whole team walks out in support (and not even his own team liked Cobb so much). Soon they all come back and play again, but a union is formed. That union is today the MLBPA.
You think Donald Fehr is a bastard? Donald Fehr owes his entire success to the magnitude of Ty Cobb’s bastardness!
We don't have a Bullpen. We have a Cowpen. Before we get to call it a Bullpen these guys gotta grow a pair.
by Stirrups on Jun 18, 2009 5:32 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I remember there was a LONG article in Sports Illustrated...
..about 25 years ago on Cobb. The impression I had from the article was that he was a coarse, unforgiving man, even after he retied from baseball. He didn’t inspire any love from…anyone! And if I recall correctly, he was fairly racist (apologies in advance if my memory is not accurate).
by sothball on Jun 18, 2009 8:27 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
your memory is spot on
the article was written, I believe, by his hand picked biographer. The two items I remember vividly from the article were 1) he estranged himself from Ted Williams (another loveable guy) because Ted thought Honus Wagner was the best SS of his era (evidently Cobb hated Wagner); and 2) how his mother killed his father right before or right after his contract was picked by Detroit and the it may not have been an accident and that hs father was a racist sociopath as well.
This season just seems jinxed. If it can go wrong, it does
by Moondoggy on Jun 18, 2009 8:52 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
IIRC, the death of his father was
that his father thought that his wafe was sheating on him, so he was sneaking around outside. The wife saw his shadow in the window, mistook him for a burglar, and shot him.
Nice family life.
And, yeah, I seem to also recall that Cobb was an incredible ass-bite after retirement until he finally was alone (divorces and early death of his kids). Then he was pretty danged good with charity and financial support for old ball players.
We don't have a Bullpen. We have a Cowpen. Before we get to call it a Bullpen these guys gotta grow a pair.
by Stirrups on Jun 18, 2009 9:04 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
"wife"
We don't have a Bullpen. We have a Cowpen. Before we get to call it a Bullpen these guys gotta grow a pair.
by Stirrups on Jun 18, 2009 9:04 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
If you guys haven't seen it.
The movie Cobb is great, it covers just about everything right up until his death and is based on the book written by the hand picked biographer from SI mentioned above.
Phys: Well, Coon doesn't have a lot of power but he's a good bunter
Coon: F$%# That!
Thanks Zu
by halofan4life on Jun 20, 2009 1:42 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Jimmy Piersall, just to add some flavor.
Yeah, I know. But still.
Angel Pitching (Adenhart), Angel Defense - get past that.
by vladtheimpaler on Jun 18, 2009 1:18 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Off-topic slightly...
…but whenever hard-nosed ball-players are mentioned, this story comes up.
Wayne “Buck” Shelford, captain of the All Blacks, the New Zealand national rugby team was once involved in a game against France, known as the Battle of Nantes in which he was knocked unconcious, lost a handful of teeth and most incredibly had his scrotum ripped open by the studs on a French boot. He instructed the team doctor to pop the errant testicle back in, stitch him up on the pitch and he then carried on playing until he was knocked unconcious a second time and was forced to leave the pitch.
Tough bastard. Wouldn’t want to fight him.
I see red people
by The Limey on Jun 18, 2009 4:32 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Oh my Gosh!
And I thought Jimmy Piersall was crazy. I don’t think anyone’s going to beat that.
Angel Pitching (Adenhart), Angel Defense - get past that.
by vladtheimpaler on Jun 18, 2009 4:52 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I had my scrotum ripped open too
it was called my first marraige
This season just seems jinxed. If it can go wrong, it does
by Moondoggy on Jun 18, 2009 6:31 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I believe it was Robin Williams that said...
“…the definition of divorce is to rip out a man’s genitals through his wallet…”.
by sothball on Jun 18, 2009 8:30 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I dunno...
Jack Youngblood broke his leg one year during the NFL playoffs. He left it broken. Then he played in the NFC Championship game AND the Super Bowl on that broken leg. THEN he had it taken care of.
We don't have a Bullpen. We have a Cowpen. Before we get to call it a Bullpen these guys gotta grow a pair.
by Stirrups on Jun 18, 2009 8:12 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
we just played against another hard nose player
arron rowand. everyone better remember when he ran full speed into the grated fence in center field in philly. his fans was bloody! he had to get stiches! and….HE CAUGHT THE BALL!!!
by kingfish on Jun 18, 2009 5:33 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Torii respects the game, his teammates and ownership
He plays hard. He wants to play every inning of every game. That comes from a work ethic. He’s gives you all-out hustle on the field.
But Torii has three other rare factors that make him great.
One: Ability. It’s one thing to see Eckstein or Willits hustle. They pretty much have to to keep up and play at the major league level. But it’s another thing to see a talented player hustle. Torii combines hustle with amazing defensive skill [witness the gold gloves, you’ve all see his level of play as well.] And he gives us a very solid bat with good power … lately, pretty exceptional power. And would Torii slack to first base like Matthews did the other day? Not likely.
Second: Joy. Torii acts like a ten year old who likes to play baseball. He never seems tired of his circumstance or that he takes it for granted. Some players, you get the feeling that they’d rather be playing guitar with Sandfrog [Spezio] or riding their motorcycles [Jeff Kent] or surfing or golfing than playing baseball. Torii, both on the field, and in post game interviews, just seems like he respects the game and enjoys his work. Would he do this for nothing? Probably. At least he seems like it. And he gives the best interview ever. Telling reporters that “You can tan naked” in Southern California during the Sign Tex period? That’s just nuts! He brings nutty, unpredictable enjoyment to his work. It’s a pleasure watching him treat his work – from the pregame workout to the postgame interview – as insanely fun.
Third: Respect for the owner. Torii went out of his way publicly trying to get hired gun Teixeira to sign. Who does that? He had his own media blitz. If you’re cynical, you could say “Well, it’s self-serving for him to do that.” But treat it like the rare event that it is, especially Torii’s statements about how great it was to be an Angel, speaking well of Arte Morena and so forth. That’s just pure class. And it shows that he knows that his situation is rare.
Many players have one or two of these qualities, but Torii is – right now – the complete package. Let’s enjoy it – we’re watching a superstar who doesn’t act like a prima donna, who’s not roided out, who not a buffoon like Clemens or Bonds. Rare? Hell yes! Personally, I feel like we’re in the presence of Willy Mays or Ernie Banks. Someone who rakes, plays great D, plays hard and has a great personality. Let’s play two, Hula Dula!
Torii Hunter: Best Halo Ever.
by LazorkoRules on Jun 18, 2009 5:56 AM PDT reply actions 2 recs
Lineup for Yesterday
C is for Cobb,
Who grew spikes and not corn,
And made all the basemen
Wish they weren"t born.
— Ogden Nash, Sport magazine (January 1949)78
I have a family story about Ty Cobb, involving a cousin who tried out for the Tigers way back in the 19-teens. I’m trying to locate it.
.... as sexy as socks on a rooster.
by opiejeanne on Jun 18, 2009 11:32 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes.
I had read it before but it’s really good.
I can’t find the place I had the story written down, but in 1910 my cousin, James Clement Edgeworth, travelled from the Toronto area with his father to the Detroit Tigers’ training camp . He was a pitcher and had made some waves and been invited by the team to try out. During a split-team “friendly” game James became agitated when Cobb slid into second cleats first, and hurt the kid trying out so badly he had to be removed from the game. When he faced Cobb from the pitcher’s mound he threw the first ball right at Cobb’s head. Cobb yelled at him, and James yelled back, “I’m going to throw the next three right in the strike zone and you will not be able to hit them.” He did and Cobb swung and missed all three.
The sad part of the story is that Tigers offered him a contract but he was only 18 and had to have his dad sign for him, but his father refused, saying, “We’re going home to the farm. Baseball is something you do for fun.”
.... as sexy as socks on a rooster.
by opiejeanne on Jun 18, 2009 11:50 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
awww, man, what a great but sad story
did James resent his father for that?
by ladybug on Jun 18, 2009 3:41 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You have no idea.
This branch of the family was “lost”, to us at least, just as we were “lost” to them. I found his son a couple of years ago and he told me the story. I have a photo of the team stashed somewhere on my computer.
Back then you had to be 21 or your parents had to sign for you.
.... as sexy as socks on a rooster.
by opiejeanne on Jun 24, 2009 9:00 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh, I also have a photo of James' father with his own baseball team,
when they were a bunch of old guys. They got together for a reunion game, but they were all in suits in the photo. Baseball was pretty big in that area of Canada, and there were quite a few family members who played in these amateur leagues, meaning they still ran businesses and farms somehow but they were serious about the game.
.... as sexy as socks on a rooster.
by opiejeanne on Jun 24, 2009 9:08 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Canadian?
Couldn’t have been a native
This season just seems jinxed. If it can go wrong, it does
by Moondoggy on Jun 18, 2009 6:33 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Couldn't have been a native what?
Yes, he was Canadian. I thought that was clear when I said he travelled from the Toronto area, but maybe it wasn’t. Sometimes I think people can follow what I’ve written, and sometimes that means they have to read my mind.
.... as sexy as socks on a rooster.
by opiejeanne on Jun 24, 2009 9:03 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Pete Rose
Play Wood already. Willits sucks.
by hauldog on Jun 18, 2009 10:15 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
sucks
RIP Nick Adenhart 4/9/09
by vlad IS my man on Jun 18, 2009 10:56 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
As a hairstylist
Torii Hunter: Best Halo Ever.
by LazorkoRules on Jun 18, 2009 11:41 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ask Ray Fosse
Play Wood already. Willits sucks.
by hauldog on Jun 18, 2009 12:03 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He had a beautiful head of hair
Torii Hunter: Best Halo Ever.
by LazorkoRules on Jun 18, 2009 1:42 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ersty of course
I’ll second Aaron Rowand
Eric Byrnes is just plain nuts
Ty Wigginton is a beast. I’m pretty sure it was him who I saw get hit in the face with a fastball and he didn’t even flinch. That’s effing HARD.
Eckstein is no slouch either. He had no problem letting pitches hit him to get on base.
RIP Nick Adenhart, #34
by Higz on Jun 18, 2009 11:46 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Eck
I once saw an AB of his where on a hit&run (or maybe a steal), the opponents pitched out. Eck somehow managed to go wayyyy over the plate and foul off the pitchout to save the runner.
Angels fan since '67
by red floyd on Jun 18, 2009 11:57 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think I remember that. Takes a very good baseball mind to react to the play like that.
RIP Nick Adenhart, #34
by Higz on Jun 18, 2009 12:18 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Byrnes was a commentator ...
on Fox with Jeanie Zalasko during the playoffs when the Cards were in the Series, and she was talking about our boy, Spezio. Spez was wearing a goatee [basically a stripe of bizarre looking fur on his chin]. And it was dyed red. Zelasko made the mistake of asking Byrnes what that sort of goatee was called. Byrnes got this big grin on his face and evil gleam in his eye and said, “I think it’s called the Tickler.” He puts his head on the desk in a vain attempt to conceal laughter. Cut to commercial.
I will always love Byrnesie for that.
Torii Hunter: Best Halo Ever.
by LazorkoRules on Jun 18, 2009 7:07 PM PDT up reply actions 3 recs
My friend saw Torii at Disneyland today
And he said that he was walking around like he owned the place. Makes you wonder what kind of meds they give these players. I want some.
by TheAntiSox on Jun 18, 2009 9:21 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Erstad for sure...
But how about Nails… Lenny Dykestra?
by matt92130 on Jun 21, 2009 9:39 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Torii Hunter on this team
its like having darin erstad again
by JoseGuillenSux on Jun 25, 2009 5:57 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs


























