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CC didn't feel right about playing for the Angels

So why didn't Sabathia sign with the Angels?

"It just didn't feel right," said Sabathia (8-5, 3.70 ERA), who starts against the Angels tomorrow. "I was at the point where I wanted a chance to win every year and it's kind of hard not to pick [the Yankees]."  NY Post 7/11

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Hmmm.  Maybe his agent should've had the ESPN (the Magazine) do his research for him  CC wants to win every year.  Let's take a look at who he's going to battle with for the next 7years:

Derek -- 35 (signed through 2010 and beyond?)

Damon -- 35 (signed through 2009...Yankees are catching a break here)

Matsui -- 35 (signed through 2009...ditto)

Posada - 37 going on 38 (signed through 2011...good thing Matsui's deal is up freeing up the DH role for Jorge)

Arod -- 34 (signed through the second coming...although let's see how the post steroid era treats golden boy)

Mariano -- 39!! (signed through 2010...he;s still very good, but fragile and who's taking his place?  Joba? Hughes?)

Andy -- 37 (this is the end of the ride for Andy.  At least he eeked out $7-10MM for his last hurrah)

This team is positively creaky.  I've seen Oldtimer's Games with younger players.  Granted, Tex is young and very good.  But does he have the mental make-up to anchor a team?  Cano is above average when his head is out of his ass.  But the rest?  Melky?  Gardner? Cervelli? Igawa (remember him?  Signed through 2011 -- this cracks me up)?  If winning every year was the criteria, this was not the team to go to.  Be honest CC, $167/7 was the only reason.

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Sorry, but Moondoggy is right

If this is about 2009, then maybe the Yankees have a chance. They have almost a decade of first-round flameouts to overcome, but that’s fine.

But for the long haul, the future is far from guaranteed in pinstripes, and signing a deal for seven seasons which make one untradeable is a huge leap of faith.

Unless it solely about the $$$…

by George Kaplan on Jul 11, 2009 9:07 AM PDT up reply actions  

are you going to tell me the angels have a better chance at winning a ring over the next 7 years than they do?

im sorry, but this is angels bias. Who exactly do we have beyond 2009? Vlad, Lackey, Figgins, Abreu could ALL be gone and offensively this club is always streaky.

So would i rather be with mark teixeira, a-rod, burnett, jeter etc or with an aging torii hunter…morales and napoli?

yanks spend money EVERY year to get who they want. being on the yankees means every year you will get the guy you want to help you win, players know this, lets not pretend like we dont.

plus, these ages are irrelevant because nady, damon and matsui are gone(which means they could sign a matt holliday or jason bay immediately this offseason….weird), rivera is still extremely effective and theres always trades and salary dumps they can take advantage of.

i think you guys are seeing red a little bit

RIP Nick Adenhart

by ihearhowie2.0 on Jul 11, 2009 9:28 AM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

i forgot to point out

that as much as you or I or any other angel fan might think brandon wood, sean rodriguez, jordan walden and trevor reckling all represent a championship future, prospects meaning absolute zero to free agents.

also, last year was the first time the yankees didnt make the playoffs in like 15 years or something. We might not even make it this year and the rest of the division is only getting stronger

RIP Nick Adenhart

by ihearhowie2.0 on Jul 11, 2009 9:31 AM PDT up reply actions  

No, I'm not saying that at all

Let me rephrase things.

The belief among many is that the Yankees can “buy” a World Series, and that is implicit in the signings of Sabathia, Burnett and Teixeira.

Let’s review the story so far:

The Yankees as of this morning have a record of 51-36. Not bad, but they’re also in second place behind the Red Sox, after spending the opening months of the season staring at the ass of the Blue Jays. The Rays, with a payroll which is a fraction of the Yankees’, are just three games behind New York.

We know that Rodriguez was out for some of the first half, and that Teixeira had his characteristic slow start. However, Sabathia—a player who has never won a post-season game in his career—is just 8-5 in his 18 starts thus far in 2009 (though, to be fair, he’s had a couple of tough ND as well). While being paid on a par with aces like Santana, Sabathia is performing like a really good #2.

Well, then, surely Burnett is lighting it up, right? Especially since he was being paid an absurd amount of money to pitch in New York. But Burnett is just 8-4 in his 17 starts thus far. Not horrible, but also not exactly what one might point to as the ace of the staff, despite his salary.

Chamberlain is a guy the team keeps trying to stuff into the rotation, despite all signs that he can’t sustain his magic into the third pass through the lineup. He’s averaging just 5.1 IP/start, and isn’t overwhelming observers with evidence of emotional maturity, either.

Wang can’t stay healthy and the team has decided Hughes is better out of the ’pen.

How does the Yankee “philosophy” of simply buying the talent every year—assuming that this truly is their game plan—translate into automatic rings? After all, this same team bought Damon, traded for (and extended) Rodriguez, signed Pavano and Wright and made many other high-profile moves over the past decade, and hasn’t won a World Series since 2000 or even appeared in a Series since 2003. All the Sheffields and Matsuis and Giambis didn’t make a difference in the post-season. Most years, they were shown the door in the ALDS.

So how exactly is this any different from the Angels, and how exactly does the signing of a Sabathia or Teixeira make any more of a difference than the past high-profile signings?

It isn’t and it doesn’t. That goes to what I wrote above:

But for the long haul, the future is far from guaranteed in pinstripes, and signing a deal for seven seasons which make one untradeable is a huge leap of faith.

by George Kaplan on Jul 12, 2009 10:06 AM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

This says it pretty well

I won’t quote the whole story in the NY Times, but it illustrates well what i was saying:

The Yankees arrived at the All-Star break Sunday with a 51-37 record, the second-best in the American League. But behind the numbers is a troubling reality, reinforced by a weekend sweep at Angel Stadium.

After the Los Angeles Angels’ third comeback victory of the weekend, by 5-4 against C. C. Sabathia, the Yankees could find themselves asking why they struggle against the other powers in the league.

In the first half, the Yankees faced four teams that are now in first place: the Angels, the Boston Red Sox, the Detroit Tigers and the Philadelphia Phillies. The Yankees went 5-15 in those games.

Also troubling is their record when Sabathia pitches. Signed to a seven-year, $161 million contract in December, Sabathia is 8-6 with a 3.86 earned run average. The Yankees are 9-10 in games he has started.


After the Angels torched their pitching on Friday and Saturday, the Yankees needed Sabathia to pitch like an ace. Instead, he allowed five runs and nine hits in six and two-thirds innings. The Angels’ John Lackey was better, allowing two runs in seven innings.

Mandatory reading for anyone foolish enough to believe that Roy Halladay is all that stands between the Angels and a World Series victory.

by George Kaplan on Jul 12, 2009 5:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

Baseball is the ultimate team sport.

Rarely will the addition of one player turn a .500 team into a championship contender. (The Dodgers adding Manny Ramirez last year being one exception to the general rule. Strangely enough, they didn’t skip a beat this year with his 50 game suspension.)

In baseball, it’s also rare for a team to “buy” a championship (the Yankees of the late ’70’s and the Marlins in ’97 perhaps beings exceptions to this general rule).

I don’t believe Halladay is our best trade option. If we were to pursue a trade for an SP, I’d prefer Haren. And before Haren, I’d prefer a solid relief pitcher.
I’ve seen enough inconsistency from Jepsen, Thompson, Speier, and Bulger to be convinced our bullpen is NOT a championship caliber bullpen. In fact, it’s not even close.

If Haren can be had for the right price (whatever that is) then pull the trigger. However, Haren will do next to nothing to help our ’pen (unless he pitches complete games in every start).

A solid reliever..that is what we need more than anything. Will this guarantee a championship? No. But a solid reliever may stabilize the bullpen.

by sothball on Jul 12, 2009 6:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

Winning? HA

It was the $$$$

Do it for Nick '09

by BryanHarvey'sMoustache on Jul 11, 2009 9:45 AM PDT reply actions  

Oh well he's not on the team so it doesnt matter anyway

Please get rid of Kendrick and Aybar. And Santana. R.I.P. Nick Adenhart, Marquis Cooper, Steve McNair

by JoseGuillenSux on Jul 11, 2009 9:57 AM PDT reply actions  

Also has an opt out after 3 years (or was it 2?)

That'll only happen if that one prospect is the second coming of Christ and redemption for mankind can only be achieved by smacking many balls out of the yard.
-The Limey

by anaheim angels on Jul 11, 2009 11:37 AM PDT reply actions  

now thats confidence

I wanna win with the Yankees but…… just in case get me outta here in 3 years

"Boy, did he drop a huge deuce in the stands!" (About a two-run homer)
Rex Hudler

by devildogamp on Jul 11, 2009 5:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

Great analysis. I love it.

Wants to win every year with a bunch of geriatrics

Play Wood already. Willits sucks.

by hauldog on Jul 11, 2009 2:43 PM PDT reply actions  

He wanted to play for a team that matched his ambition

And his ambition was to earn $161m in 7 years.

# Halo Heaven Fantasy Champ 2008 #

by UK Halo on Jul 11, 2009 6:08 PM PDT reply actions   1 recs

It's New York

They lose one player and they buy another player of equal or greater talent.

You have money, you have a winning team.

by TheAntiSox on Jul 11, 2009 6:27 PM PDT reply actions  

What else could he say?

CC didn’t want to couldn’t sound like a douche. Same damn type of lines Teix gave us. It’s the Yankee way.

Gotta look good in the press.

Which current NY player said he could never play in them pinstripes?

by eyespy on Jul 11, 2009 7:32 PM PDT reply actions  

Let's put it this way

It maybe sacriligious to say, but while the Yankees might not be as good as the Boston Red Sox in the duration of CC’s and Teixeira’s contract, the Bronx Bombers are still the model organization of being able to throw money at any perceived deficiency.

There is tradition of the franchise, but more importantly, piece of mind NY can reload as opposed to dismantle and rebuild if things are simply not working.

Or is Kendry perhaps the one who needs to sit?

by BBFan1 on Jul 11, 2009 9:09 PM PDT reply actions  

The irony...

..is that the Yanks won their 4 most recent world series championships (’96 & ’98-2000) with a blend of home grown rookies, veterans, and very few “premier” free agents.
Since they returned to pursing/signing “premier” free agents, they have not won another World Series Championship.
That speaks to;
1) How difficult it is to win the World Series.
2) How a blend of players that are not quite premier but definitely better than average, seem to be better than a team of All-Stars.

by sothball on Jul 11, 2009 9:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

That is why it is fun to root for the Yankees to fail

Back in their last run of winning championships, the Yankees were built upon lunchpail type of guys, whom you had to respect regardless of the uniform.

Once again however, they are built upon all-star mercenaries who I never has known what it is like to fail, to have to have to prove themselves againt after miserable seasons and know the process of having to play together as a team.

Or is Kendry perhaps the one who needs to sit?

by BBFan1 on Jul 11, 2009 10:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

very astute observation

i call “curse of the Giambino” because it started in 2001 when they replaced Tino with Jason.

I must not fear. Fear is the mind-killer.

by Moondoggy on Jul 11, 2009 11:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

Maybe its because Santa Claus brings pennants to teams with the best chemistry

That'll only happen if that one prospect is the second coming of Christ and redemption for mankind can only be achieved by smacking many balls out of the yard.
-The Limey

by anaheim angels on Jul 12, 2009 12:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

Can't be true.

Santa comes in December, not October.
Duh.

by sothball on Jul 12, 2009 12:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

What continues to bother me about players like CC...

Is that they always cite the “It’s not about the money” line, which of course means it is most definitely about the Benjamin’s. Take U-Haul for example, being close to family is important, I understand that, but to then turn around and take the skanks offer, despite the fact that the Nats and O’s offered very handsome contracts smacks of hypocrisy. He and his weren’t gonna starve on a 150 mil. contract. So, being close to family wasn’t the most important thing. CC is a worse example of hypocrisy, being a West Coast guy, claiming to want to play closer to home, and then ultimately signing with the team, on the other side of the country, that offered the most. But, yeah, it’s not about the money. Have fun at White Castle you schmuck.

YOU DON'T KNOW THE POWER OF THE DARKSIDE.....

by halofolife on Jul 11, 2009 10:24 PM PDT reply actions   1 recs

Agree

Why can’t anyone fess up and say, “I signed with the Yankees because they offered more money” There’s nothing wrong with that, we all make decisions to our maximum economic advantage every time we compare prices at the supermarket. But it seems when you’re in the realm of nine-figure contracts, some sort of cognitive dissonance kicks in. Sabathia grew up in Vallejo, which is a hole (I know because my car broke down there once and I got stuck at a disreputable McDonalds for six hours, and so on). Taking a $160 million deal as opposed to $120 million, which he might have got from the Angels, is not really 33% more money. It’s a diminishing return: how much better are you going to eat, how much bigger will your house be? I’m sure CC knows what that $40 million difference could do if it was invested in one of Vallejo’s shitty neighborhoods, but to rationalize his self-interested hoarding of resources, he farts out something like, “I wanted to be a winner.” Bullshit, and he knows it. I’m sure Tex knows it too. Baltimore is a hell of a lot closer to Baltimore than New York, asshat. Come on, don’t treat us like idiots, you guys are richer than the gangsta rappers who’ll fill a swimming pool with dollar bills just because they can, and America loves them for it. Flaunt it. Next time someone asks CC why he loves being a Yankee I want to hear him say, “because I’m rich, bitch!” At least then I won’t be able to call him a liar.

by Suboptimal on Jul 12, 2009 1:06 AM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Suboptimal

“Baltimore is a hell of a lot closer to Baltimore than New York”, you had me at asshat. No need to hide the greed. You had me at asshat. CC and Tex are the prime examples of FA mercenaries that follow the almighty dollar. How much happier could these players possibly be, when the question is deciding between a 150 million dollar contract and 180 million dollar contract. Tex and CC weren’t about competivness, but about money only. They are complete FA whores. Sorry if this offends, but its the truth.

YOU DON'T KNOW THE POWER OF THE DARKSIDE.....

by halofolife on Jul 12, 2009 2:19 AM PDT up reply actions  

To be fair, it needs to be pointed out

that at least with CC, there was tremendous pressure from the players union to take the highest offer. They don’t give a shit whether CC’s happy or that he’s playing for a team he loves, they only want to increase the bench mark with the theory that a rising tide lifts all boats. Even if the boats are stuck in a polluted harbor.

Again, there’s nothing wrong with going for the money (I work with people who jump ship all the time for $$), just be honest about it.

I must not fear. Fear is the mind-killer.

by Moondoggy on Jul 12, 2009 4:45 AM PDT up reply actions  

Money

The Yankees had already made him the highest offer, and he so badly wanted to play for anyone else that he sat around and waited until the Yankees offered even more money. Sabathia really didn’t want to be a Yankee, and therefore the only reason he’s a Yankee now is because of the $$$.

by jjackflash on Jul 12, 2009 9:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

agreed

I must not fear. Fear is the mind-killer.

by Moondoggy on Jul 12, 2009 11:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

I want to hear more about that
I got stuck at a disreputable McDonalds for six hours

How bad does a McDonalds have to be for it to sully the reputation of all other franchises? Did they serve you a Sad Meal? Were they selling McCrank in the parking lot? Did the girl behind the counter give you a wink and offer to “supersize” you in the supply room for $20?

by George Kaplan on Jul 14, 2009 9:18 AM PDT up reply actions  

McDeath

there’s a McDonald’s just across the street from the Penn Campus at 40th & Walnut. At least back in the late ‘80s, it was alternatively known as McDeath or McDOA because of the number of stabbings and shootings that occurred there, at least one per year. Strangely, the Burger King that was directly across the street did not suffer a similar fate. Now that is a disreputable McDonald’s.

by jjackflash on Jul 14, 2009 11:21 AM PDT up reply actions  

Burger King

Even murderers and thieves have a line they won’t cross.

by George Kaplan on Jul 14, 2009 1:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

HAHAHAHA

Fell outta my seat with that one

Phys: Well, Coon doesn't have a lot of power but he's a good bunter
Coon: F$%# That!
Thanks Zu

by halofan4life on Jul 14, 2009 1:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

That’s because “I once got busy in a Burger King bathroom;” Humpty legitimized Burger King for the gangsta demographic, yo.

I love this team.

by Downing Rules on Jul 14, 2009 2:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

I want to go to that Mcdonalds

YOU DON'T KNOW THE POWER OF THE DARKSIDE.....

by halofolife on Jul 14, 2009 4:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

hell yea

i love beating that greedy punk to complete the sweep and raising his era .016

R.I.P. #34

by sctrojans13 on Jul 12, 2009 5:08 PM PDT reply actions  

I'm a fan of calling a spade a spade...

If a player claims that family, and geographic proximity to home is important, I completely understand. Who would not want to enable his family to be close, and ensure economic independence, but again, CC and Mark are FA mercenaries and Ho’s. How can there be any other interpretation? It seems to me, being on a winning team is secondary to these FA dishonest asses.

YOU DON'T KNOW THE POWER OF THE DARKSIDE.....

by halofolife on Jul 13, 2009 12:30 AM PDT reply actions  

BS

He signed with the Yankees because of $$$.

"F it, let's pitch." - Ervin Santana

by Chzburger Jones on Jul 14, 2009 12:46 PM PDT reply actions  

You don't understand

CC didn’t feel right about playing for the Angels because he knew he could get more $$$ from the Yankees.

Angels fan since '67

by red floyd on Jul 14, 2009 1:05 PM PDT up reply actions  

what an idiot he is.

Enjoy never being able to live up to new yorks ridiculous expectations fatty.

the angels have been a more successful franchise this decade.

by Go Ducks on Jul 20, 2009 4:41 AM PDT reply actions  

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