Angels/Brewers trade idea

by Brew Angel on Jul 29, 2009 1:01 PM PDT

Bear with me here. As most of you know, I have rooting (and I don't care what "rooting" means in Australia) interest in a certain NL Central team in addition to the Angels. The Brewers had a great 2nd half of April and May, surged into first place in their division, but have dropped since due to injuries (Rickie Weeks, Dave Bush) and lack of starting pitching depth (after Yovani Gallardo, Jeff Suppan is statistically their 2nd-best starter right now!) The Brewers have gone from buyers a week ago to potential sellers today, as the result of an abysmal start to the 2nd half. (Consecutive blowout losses to the Nationals will do that to a team.) On BrewCrewBall today (Brewers SBNation site) someone mentioned what they thought Angels might be willing to give up for bullpen help.

Now, I understand that the Angels would like to shore up their starting rotation. But Cliff Lee is gone, and we're not going to pay the asking price for Halladay, so let's accept that a front-line Ace isn't going to happen. And the Brewers need starting pitching, too, so they won't give up anybody (other than Jeff Suppan, but nobody would want him). Our other big weakness this season has been the bullpen. What do the Brewers have to offer? How about the all-time saves leader? Can you picture a Hoffman/Fuentes righty/lefty combo? Fuentes has worked as a setup man in Colorado, and Hoffman might have the added advantage that most AL batters have very limited experience against him.

According to Elias, Hoffman is expected to be a type A Free Agent at the end of the year, so he'd also bring a couple of draft picks. That has to be part of the equation, because if he isn't traded the Brewers would be happy to offer him arbitration and take the picks if he turned them down. But since picks are riskier than already-developed prospects, I think they'd be willing to trade him for the right package of minor-league talent. So what would you trade for a Hoffman?

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HELLS BELLS

Get this trade done, Ninja.

by Rev Halofan on Jul 29, 2009 1:11 PM PDT reply actions

We have

the rights to Hells Bells to trade? Odd for a team called the Angels to have that….

Nick, you will always be an Angel. And you will be missed.

by anaheimisnotla on Jul 29, 2009 1:14 PM PDT up reply actions

Rights?? Don't let that stop you.

I think I read we were trying to throw Brandon Webb in on the Halladay deal.

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by matthiasstephan on Jul 29, 2009 5:38 PM PDT up reply actions

I'd love to

“root” for (and apparently with) the woman’s volleyball team from Australia. But I digress…it would be great to have Hoffman.

In Remembrance of Nick Adenhart, Courtney Stewart, Henry Pearson. Heal soon Jon Wilhite.

I want Andrew Thomas Gallo to be a pinata, and the Angels supply the bats...

by Slasher52 on Jul 29, 2009 1:26 PM PDT reply actions

at first read i thought bad move but when you look...

at how well hoffman has pitched this year and the fact his family has so cal roots (another usage of root) and the previously mentioned unfamiliarity of the a.l. bats w/him, it makes sense. it realistically can be done for players/prospects to be named later w/the halos protecting a slew of our talent.

by thejd on Jul 29, 2009 1:28 PM PDT reply actions

What's wrong with Lincecum?

I know it’s probably a dumb question. I’m sure that the Giants do not, by any means, give up Lincecum but hey.

So why is it that no team has reportedly inquired about Tim Lincecum? I mean, again, it’s obvious that he would be pricey and that SF wouldn’t want to give him up.

Is it just that he is “untouchable”?

by TheAntiSox on Jul 29, 2009 2:32 PM PDT reply actions

St. Timothy?

If the Giants traded the savior of McCovey’s Cove the fans would rise up and storm Sabean’s office and bury him under the pitching mound.
Lincecum is where he should be, torturing the Doyers.

Boycott Boston!

by SalmonStream on Jul 29, 2009 3:34 PM PDT up reply actions

Clearly, someone has not been keeping track of the standings

Um, the Giants are tied for first place in the NL Wild Card race. So, there is zero chance of them giving up a vital piece like Tim Lincecum. The reason the Tribe is in sell mode is because they’ve fallen apart this year and need to go into immediate rebuilding mode.

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by scareduck on Jul 29, 2009 4:06 PM PDT up reply actions

True

But they could get so many key players for Lincecum. Probably a much better package than Halladay.

by TheAntiSox on Jul 29, 2009 5:17 PM PDT up reply actions

Just take a mulligan on that idea

…and move on.

by George Kaplan on Jul 29, 2009 6:47 PM PDT up reply actions

Just take a mulligan on your mother

…….yea, thats right.

I expect a rec for that………..

by TheAntiSox on Jul 29, 2009 10:49 PM PDT up reply actions

Henry Louis Gates, is that you?

by PieceOfAase on Jul 29, 2009 11:18 PM PDT up reply actions

Wow, that was witty

It has been years since I was treated to smack talk from the bike racks.

I had hoped that time’s passage might help you to understand what a boneheaded idea it is to trade the ace of the team leading in the NL Wild Card race for a handful of prospects, just because said ace has a current high value.

A team which finished 72-90 last season has a legit shot at the postseason, but you’d counsel them to trade their young, affordable ace because they’d get a bunch of players back?

Brilliant. Sort of in line with your comeback above.

by George Kaplan on Jul 30, 2009 6:15 AM PDT up reply actions

I hope you realize I was being sarcastic

by TheAntiSox on Jul 30, 2009 7:44 AM PDT up reply actions

I actually thought it was funny

in a junior high kind of way

I must not fear. Fear is the mind-killer.

by Moondoggy on Jul 30, 2009 11:45 AM PDT up reply actions

I saw yo momma kickin’ a can,
I said “whatcha doin’?”
She said “Movin’.”

I love this team.

by Downing Rules on Jul 30, 2009 12:06 PM PDT up reply actions

yo mommas so fat,
she fell in love and broke it!

by TheAntiSox on Jul 30, 2009 5:30 PM PDT up reply actions

WOW, you must be smoking some pretty crazy stuff to think that the giants will get rid of lincecum

by robi s on Jul 30, 2009 3:22 AM PDT up reply actions

Or we could try to trade for Jesus

NA, #34 SP, LAA
Light up the Halo for Nick!

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by hk47 on Jul 30, 2009 9:38 AM PDT up reply actions

win

I love this team.

by Downing Rules on Jul 30, 2009 12:06 PM PDT up reply actions

think we'd get a save?

I must not fear. Fear is the mind-killer.

by Moondoggy on Jul 30, 2009 1:25 PM PDT up reply actions

Apparently

Lincecum is God’s other Son.

by TheAntiSox on Jul 30, 2009 5:31 PM PDT up reply actions

No...that was Imus

Lincecum is his nephew

I must not fear. Fear is the mind-killer.

by Moondoggy on Jul 30, 2009 6:14 PM PDT up reply actions

what about pujols...

i think if the price was right the cards would deal him too. (tongue firmly implanted in cheek)

by thejd on Jul 29, 2009 2:36 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs

Rec'd

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by scareduck on Jul 29, 2009 4:13 PM PDT up reply actions

Hoffman?

You mean that guy who choked in game 161 against the Brewers in 2007, and again in game 163? A converted save in the former would have given the Padres the Wild Card, and in the latter case, would have forced more innings. Granted, game 163 ended on a disputed call, but how do you get there but by allowing baserunners?

Considering the Angels decided to let K-Rod walk because he was asking a lot of money but had repeatedly failed to get it done in the postseason, why would the Angels give anything of value for a closer whose best days are behind him, and in fact has done at least as badly if not worse in the regular season?

Witty .sig goes here.

by scareduck on Jul 29, 2009 4:02 PM PDT reply actions

Actually

In game 163, Hoffman gave up three runs; it was the second one that tied the game, and the third one (Jamie Carroll’s sac fly that scored Matt Holliday) that decided the game. So all he had to do was protect a two-run lead after the Rockies had failed to score in the prior six innings — and he couldn’t get it done.

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by scareduck on Jul 29, 2009 4:12 PM PDT up reply actions

Yes, please judge a man's trade value based on 1 game in 2007.

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by matthiasstephan on Jul 29, 2009 5:40 PM PDT up reply actions

Or how about the hoffman thats the ALL TIME SAVES LEADER?

I heard he’s ok…

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by JoseGuillenSux on Jul 29, 2009 9:11 PM PDT up reply actions

Well, if the career is what is important, not recent history

then let’s get Sandy Koufax and Bob Gibson under contract.

by George Kaplan on Jul 29, 2009 10:09 PM PDT up reply actions

2007 is not exactly recent history

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by matthiasstephan on Jul 30, 2009 1:19 AM PDT up reply actions

Less than two years ago isn't "exactly recent history"?!?

OK, got it, thanks.

by George Kaplan on Jul 30, 2009 5:55 AM PDT up reply actions

I would love to have Hoffman on the team

He’s been one of my favorite players of all time. But the chances of him coming are slim to none

Aybar is a nowhere man, Sitting in his Nowhere Land, Making all his nowhere plans for nobody.

by princeton11loveshalos on Jul 29, 2009 6:23 PM PDT reply actions

I would love to hear hells bells in the A!

by robi s on Jul 30, 2009 3:24 AM PDT reply actions

You know what I love?

The man asked a question… and not one of you answered him. Shut the fuck up with all the useless jabber about dumb shit.

As for Brew Angel. I like Trevor Hoffman, but I can’t imagine what deal could be worked out. Yes, we would like bullpen help, but you stated you neeed starting pitching, which is something we cannnot afford to give up at this time unless it’s part of a package for a premium starting pitcher. And like you said, that hasn’t become readily available to us… at least not at a price we’re comfortable with. So in closing, sadly given his age, I’d say pass. 3 to 4 years ago, I would traded a prospect or two for him.

by matt92130 on Jul 30, 2009 4:15 AM PDT reply actions