MLB Trade Deadline Thread Part 2
by Rev Halofan on Jul 31, 2009 12:19 PM PDT
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The Tigers acquired pitcher Jarrod Washburn from the Mariners for pitchers Luke French and Mauricio Robles.
The Twins acquired shortstop Orlando Cabrera from the A’s for shortstop Tyler Ladendorf.
The Brewers acquired pitcher Claudio Vargas from the Dodgers for catcher Vinny Rottino.
The Red Sox are this°close to landing Victor Martinez from the Indians for Justin Masterson and Nick Hagadone
The Yankees get Jerry Hairston Jr. from the Reds
The Red Sox trade Adam LaRoche to the Atlanta Braves for Casey Kotchman
The Toronto Blue Jays trade Scott Rolen to the Reds for Edwin Encarnacion
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Roy Halladay to the Angels
PLLLLLLLLLEEEEEEAAAAAAAASSSSSSSSEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
R.I.P. Nick Adenhart #34
A nice arm we could have added but the FO ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ
The Rockies acquired lefty reliever Joe Beimel from the Nationals, according to Chico Harlan of the Washington Post.
R.I.P. Nick Adenhart #34
Hey Rev... could you include the recent signings.
Just so we can see all the moves on oen page.
RIP Nick Adenhart 4/9/09
Blue Jays buyers???
From Dejan Kovacevic of the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette, via Twitter: the Blue Jays acquired Double A pitcher Sean Smith from the Pirates for future considerations
R.I.P. Nick Adenhart #34
I hope Arrendondo is healthy
If we don’t make a move, he can make an impact like K-Rod did in 2002.
RIP Nick Adenhart 4/9/09
We could always get some through waivers
although i have no idea how that goes
R.I.P. Nick Adenhart #34
Maybe Reagins is only a ninja
when it comes to contract signings. Teix was a fluke.
RIP Nick Adenhart 4/9/09
good point.
But that was pre-season. Maybe Stoneman is holding a golden challis and saying… NOW IS NOT THE TIME MY PROTEGE, not now.
RIP Nick Adenhart 4/9/09
He also got Palmer.
Not a small thing considering where we might be without him at the moment.
#34 Forever
Plugging the upside since 2006.
Never give up, never surrender!
by TheOptimist on Jul 31, 2009 12:29 PM PDT up reply actions
If you can get somebody cheap, do it Ninja.
Otherwise, sit pat. We’re a goddamn .600 ballclub, we don’t NEED anything.
#34 Forever
Plugging the upside since 2006.
Never give up, never surrender!
That's what I'm thinking.
Look if we can get better, why the h not? We don’t need to sell the farm, but if we can pick up a missing piece, lets do it.
RIP Nick Adenhart 4/9/09
What do you want to bet the Dodgers are back to being a .500 club in 2-3 years?
#34 Forever
Plugging the upside since 2006.
Never give up, never surrender!
by TheOptimist on Jul 31, 2009 12:34 PM PDT up reply actions
it depends on what they trade away.
Because from what I’ve heard they didn’t lose much making their trades.
RIP Nick Adenhart 4/9/09
Doesn't matter what they traded, it's a mindset. Something will go wrong,
they’ll have no depth to cover, and BAM. .500 ball club.
#34 Forever
Plugging the upside since 2006.
Never give up, never surrender!
by TheOptimist on Jul 31, 2009 12:36 PM PDT up reply actions
With a WS Championship?
What would you rather have, a .500 club 2 years from now and a WS Championship in 2009? Or a .600 club for 5 years with no championship?
I'd like to have a WS ring.
Even if that means the following year we suck.
i.e. 2002, then 2003.
RIP Nick Adenhart 4/9/09
If you're asking whether I'd rather be the 90's Braves or the 90's Marlins, I take the Braves
every time.
#34 Forever
Plugging the upside since 2006.
Never give up, never surrender!
by TheOptimist on Jul 31, 2009 12:38 PM PDT up reply actions
That's a bullshit answer
Are you saying the Angels would sell off everyone after a WS win to save cash?
A sell-off is not the only way a champion disappears
by Rev Halofan on Jul 31, 2009 12:43 PM PDT up reply actions
I was highlighting what you're talking about giving up,
the way it happened isn’t necessarily important.
#34 Forever
Plugging the upside since 2006.
Never give up, never surrender!
by TheOptimist on Jul 31, 2009 12:48 PM PDT up reply actions
I'm looking for where I wrote anything in this thread
about giving anything up. All I wrote was the Dodgers were a .618 team and they’re making moves.
No need to explain
Just let it be known that the Red Sox have been very active the last 5 years and they have not suffered because of trades made
Willie Mays Aikens is FREeeeeeeee
by Angel Aviator on Jul 31, 2009 12:57 PM PDT up reply actions
And I said they'd be back to a .500 ballclub in 2-3 years.
Do we want to recap the whole thread? Look, you’re the one who asked the question, and I answered you. I look at it as a mindset thing. You’re either in it to be a perpetual champion, or you’re not.
#34 Forever
Plugging the upside since 2006.
Never give up, never surrender!
by TheOptimist on Jul 31, 2009 12:59 PM PDT up reply actions
It's a difference in approach. Don't like that one? Fine, how bout the '00s DBacks?
#34 Forever
Plugging the upside since 2006.
Never give up, never surrender!
by TheOptimist on Jul 31, 2009 12:44 PM PDT up reply actions
We can do this all day
How about the 2004 Red Sox? Traded Nomar and others…I think they won something in October.
And traded...oh right, NOBODY, midseason.
#34 Forever
Plugging the upside since 2006.
Never give up, never surrender!
by TheOptimist on Jul 31, 2009 12:56 PM PDT up reply actions
At the expense of what? Value for nothing is rare.
#34 Forever
Plugging the upside since 2006.
Never give up, never surrender!
I mean, sure, the Phillies just did it to the Indians,
but that’s like the Padres-Rangers trade a few years back. You can’t count on that kind of incompetence.
#34 Forever
Plugging the upside since 2006.
Never give up, never surrender!
They traded Nomar, a clubhouse cancer, for Orlando Cabrera,
a statistically worse player. And won on Roidy McRoiderton’s Game 4 9th inning HR.
#34 Forever
Plugging the upside since 2006.
Never give up, never surrender!
by TheOptimist on Jul 31, 2009 12:54 PM PDT up reply actions
.600 for another 5 years with no more championships
I already have my Angels World Series ring. :)
by Fan Since 1981 on Jul 31, 2009 12:38 PM PDT up reply actions
Besides, going .600 every year gives you a hell of a lot more shots than trading
everything for a slightly better shot 1 year.
#34 Forever
Plugging the upside since 2006.
Never give up, never surrender!
by TheOptimist on Jul 31, 2009 12:41 PM PDT up reply actions
I'm not really advocating trading away the farm.
I’m talking about adding one bullpen guy or a pitcher if we can get a deal.
RIP Nick Adenhart 4/9/09
Nope, Ninja made sure we had a good backup plan.
(Turns out it was a GREAT backup plan). Otherwise I bet he never gets Teix.
#34 Forever
Plugging the upside since 2006.
Never give up, never surrender!
by TheOptimist on Jul 31, 2009 12:52 PM PDT up reply actions
True. But we were pretty sure he could equal what Kotch had been
giving us. And that was what Tony was banking on.
#34 Forever
Plugging the upside since 2006.
Never give up, never surrender!
We already saw last year that making a big trade at the deadline guarantees us jackshit.
#34 Forever
Plugging the upside since 2006.
Never give up, never surrender!
by TheOptimist on Jul 31, 2009 12:39 PM PDT up reply actions
It did make them a better team
Just wasn’t going to help HK who hit .118 or GA who hit a solid .158 or Aybar and his robust .111
Willie Mays Aikens is FREeeeeeeee
by Angel Aviator on Jul 31, 2009 12:56 PM PDT up reply actions
600 club means nothing
we won 100 games last year, and could not get out of the first round. The first round is all about pitching and have two studs as your #1 and #2. Plus we need middle relief.
by Ca1IFORNIA ANGELS on Jul 31, 2009 1:27 PM PDT up reply actions
Yup, that was solidified by a 19 yr old
called up in September. We may have the answer already
R.I.P. King Ad-Rock #34
Dunno if this is true, but if it is, it's a sad day
Hearing Adam LaRoche to the Braves for Casey Kotchman. Which means…
…Casey will be a Red Sock.
/inmouthvomits
Years later, Clutch still needs to chill.
R.I.P. Nick Adenhart, #34.
by cardinalwraith on Jul 31, 2009 12:25 PM PDT reply actions
sucks for him
Thank you, Nick Adenhart. You will always be remembered. #34
by howiestheman on Jul 31, 2009 12:26 PM PDT up reply actions
Yuck.
#34 Forever
Plugging the upside since 2006.
Never give up, never surrender!
by TheOptimist on Jul 31, 2009 12:26 PM PDT up reply actions
Halladay
is worth it if it costs them no more than 2 guys currently on the major league roster. Plus up to 3 prospects, not all pitchers.
ESPN said Victor Martinez is tewnty miles away from Boston.
Mike Napoli speaks softly and carries a big stick.
See above, he's going to the Sox.
Years later, Clutch still needs to chill.
R.I.P. Nick Adenhart, #34.
by cardinalwraith on Jul 31, 2009 12:28 PM PDT up reply actions
theres nothing on mlbtraderumors
i dont think details are final yet but i doubt Boston wants Kotchman
R.I.P. Nick Adenhart #34
Although really an hour
because so many get announced after 1 PM
by Rev Halofan on Jul 31, 2009 12:30 PM PDT up reply actions
ah yeah true.
Could we get one of those Nazi/Hittler front office videos again.
RIP Nick Adenhart 4/9/09
that would be cool if its like 2:00
and they annouce we got Halladay and Bell…huhhhhh i can dream right
R.I.P. Nick Adenhart #34
Trade on the way?
according to MLBtraderumors, both SRod and Bobby Wilson were recalled, even though there is only 1 open spot.. Maybe Wood/HK/Izzy and Mathis in a deal with SD for Heath Bell?
World Series '09 - In Memory of #34 Nick Adenhart!
Please no...
MLB.com’s Padres reporter Corey Brock is blogging that Heath Bell to Dodgers could be close. #mlbtrades
Traderumors is an informaation compiler They do not break anything
Play Wood already. Willits sucks.
I kind of feel like
This is kind of like foreplay without the sex. If we don’t make a trade, its like we didn’t “finish.”
RIP Nick Adenhart 4/9/09
August 12, 1987: Doyle Alexander traded by the Atlanta Braves to the Detroit Tigers for John Smoltz.
by Fan Since 1981 on Jul 31, 2009 12:36 PM PDT reply actions
Two years later in 1989 he went 6-18 for the Tigers
And Detroit went 59-103 that year.
by Fan Since 1981 on Jul 31, 2009 12:40 PM PDT up reply actions
Yeah, but the Tigers made the play-offs by 2 games
Would they have done that without Alexander going 9-0?
And lost to the A's in the ALCS, giving up a HOF who could have led the club for YEARS.
Oops.
#34 Forever
Plugging the upside since 2006.
Never give up, never surrender!
by TheOptimist on Jul 31, 2009 12:49 PM PDT up reply actions
Oops, Twins. Same dif.
#34 Forever
Plugging the upside since 2006.
Never give up, never surrender!
by TheOptimist on Jul 31, 2009 12:50 PM PDT up reply actions
1. Which makes it 1-0, by my count.
#34 Forever
Plugging the upside since 2006.
Never give up, never surrender!
Lot of questions answered today
Pretty sure now we won’t be big players for Figgins or even Lackey this offseason. FO is hoarding the young guys.
Need some ninjitsu.
agree 100%
We are passing on the trade deadline because we are sticking with a plan.
by Rev Halofan on Jul 31, 2009 12:39 PM PDT up reply actions
So do you think this means that Lackey and Figgins are gone next year?
What about Bobby Abreu.
RIP Nick Adenhart 4/9/09
Just because we arnt making trades doesnt me we wont resign are guys
Quinlan has to be the #1 priority though
R.I.P. Nick Adenhart #34
That leaves the Angels in the two teams that were negotiating with the padres late Thursday night.
Mike Napoli speaks softly and carries a big stick.
maybe i was wrong
2:38pm: Ken Rosenthal of FOX Sports says LaRoche could be swapped for Casey Kotchman.
R.I.P. Nick Adenhart #34
ESPN Radio
Scott Van Pelt show also reporting that Kotchman went to Boston for LaRoche
We're putting the band back togehter.
just dreaming right now..
Actually love Kendry but that would be effen awesome
by Monkeyspanked on Jul 31, 2009 12:44 PM PDT up reply actions
How about split the difference.
3 way swap. Pads, Marlins, Halos. Kendry to Marlins, Cameron Maybin to Pads, Gonzales to Angels. Add others as necessary, like Wood to SD, etc.
In Remembrance of Nick Adenhart, Courtney Stewart, Henry Pearson. Heal soon Jon Wilhite.
I want Andrew Thomas Gallo to be a pinata, and the Angels supply the bats...
Padres want THREE times what the Jays want for Halladay
12:26pm: A Jayson Stark source says the asking price for Gonzalez is “astronomical, three times the asking price on Halladay.”
R.I.P. Nick Adenhart #34
Just shooting in the breeze.
In Remembrance of Nick Adenhart, Courtney Stewart, Henry Pearson. Heal soon Jon Wilhite.
I want Andrew Thomas Gallo to be a pinata, and the Angels supply the bats...
yeah... but I have morales
And I can’t love anyone who wears a Red Sox logo.
RIP Nick Adenhart 4/9/09
I still love him.
I can kidnap him while he’s still in Atlanta.
In Remembrance of Nick Adenhart, Courtney Stewart, Henry Pearson. Heal soon Jon Wilhite.
I want Andrew Thomas Gallo to be a pinata, and the Angels supply the bats...
Straight up, plus a case of Molsons.
In Remembrance of Nick Adenhart, Courtney Stewart, Henry Pearson. Heal soon Jon Wilhite.
I want Andrew Thomas Gallo to be a pinata, and the Angels supply the bats...
You're right.
6 pack.
In Remembrance of Nick Adenhart, Courtney Stewart, Henry Pearson. Heal soon Jon Wilhite.
I want Andrew Thomas Gallo to be a pinata, and the Angels supply the bats...
Plus we'll let them hold the Stanley Cup
the next time the Ducks win it.
RIP Nick Adenhart 4/9/09
by Jay Cal on Jul 31, 2009 12:50 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Nothing is happening for us
This sucks. We’re playing great right now, but we need pitching help for a potential playoff run. Not gonna get it done with pitching we have right now.
RIP #34
Definitely not winning the World Series with what we have.
Gonna be 07 and 08 all over again.
Let's win one for Nick
If we get hot at the right time we could win it
if the Nats got hot and some how made it to the playoffs they could win it to its all about who is hot
R.I.P. Nick Adenhart #34
Not with a pitching staff with an ERA over 6
…especially against the Red Sox (see Angels recent Playoff history)
Missing Garret "Groundout" Anderson
if a team gets hot they can have a 2.00 or below
ERA in the playoffs its who ever gets hot
R.I.P. Nick Adenhart #34
If only we could pull off another blockbuster like in 2002 to win it all!!!
Unfortunately I don’t see anybody out there as solid as Sal Fasano or Alex Ochoa
by Wytelitning on Jul 31, 2009 12:52 PM PDT up reply actions
I liked Ochoa.
In Remembrance of Nick Adenhart, Courtney Stewart, Henry Pearson. Heal soon Jon Wilhite.
I want Andrew Thomas Gallo to be a pinata, and the Angels supply the bats...
Kotchman is on the Red Sox
What a Shame
2009 Angels Season: Let's Do This For Nick
by trojanangelfan on Jul 31, 2009 12:53 PM PDT reply actions
Shame is right :(
I'm not superstitious, but I'm a little stitious.
by lightupthehalo on Jul 31, 2009 12:54 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
so is life
I don’t miss him. Honestly. He was good. But Morales is way better.
RIP Nick Adenhart 4/9/09
For those who might not get it...
Ninja’s doing nothing at the trade deadline like Stoneman used to do.
by Monkeyspanked on Jul 31, 2009 12:57 PM PDT up reply actions
You don’t do something just to say “we did something.” You do something if it will improve the club. If the asking prices are too high, you pass.
I love this team.
by Downing Rules on Jul 31, 2009 4:40 PM PDT up reply actions
Less than 4 minutes to go.
I really think they’re not going to do anything. Crap.
Let's win one for Nick
This is so exciting.
:|
What do you need a fancy suit for, Charlie, you ain't got no job to wear it to.
that leaves us and the Dodgers
2:54pm: USA Today’s Bob Nightengale, via Twitter, says the Twins’ talks for Bell are all but dead. However, they’re in on Arizona’s Jon Rauch.
R.I.P. Nick Adenhart #34
Bottom of the 8th, Fenway, a 5-4 lead, Bulger walks the leadoff hitter, Sosh goes to the pen, the announcer announces; # 33 . . .
Tell me then you didn’t wish we traded for a better reliever.
by Big Bad, 'Vlad'! on Jul 31, 2009 12:57 PM PDT reply actions
I hope it doesn't come to that...
…and we let the Tigers or Twins take out the Sox.
Missing Garret "Groundout" Anderson
I wish we'd trade for a better reliever.
In Remembrance of Nick Adenhart, Courtney Stewart, Henry Pearson. Heal soon Jon Wilhite.
I want Andrew Thomas Gallo to be a pinata, and the Angels supply the bats...
Look how his stock dropped. Last year he was worth Tex, this year Laroche.
by Big Bad, 'Vlad'! on Jul 31, 2009 12:59 PM PDT up reply actions
Betancourt, Beimal, Sherrill, geez, It sucks watching the competition get better.
by Big Bad, 'Vlad'! on Jul 31, 2009 12:58 PM PDT reply actions
What, are the Dodgers and Rockies in the AL West now?
Rangers haven’t done diddly.
In Remembrance of Nick Adenhart, Courtney Stewart, Henry Pearson. Heal soon Jon Wilhite.
I want Andrew Thomas Gallo to be a pinata, and the Angels supply the bats...
Well, I like your optimism.
In Remembrance of Nick Adenhart, Courtney Stewart, Henry Pearson. Heal soon Jon Wilhite.
I want Andrew Thomas Gallo to be a pinata, and the Angels supply the bats...
All right, how about a great hitter in Martinez going to the sux, already proved he can mash our closer.
by Big Bad, 'Vlad'! on Jul 31, 2009 1:02 PM PDT up reply actions
Confirmation that happened?
#34 Forever
Plugging the upside since 2006.
Never give up, never surrender!
VMart Great? Nah. Good, yes.
Responding only to the NL West acquisitions.
In Remembrance of Nick Adenhart, Courtney Stewart, Henry Pearson. Heal soon Jon Wilhite.
I want Andrew Thomas Gallo to be a pinata, and the Angels supply the bats...
Give it another 30 min
before you give up
Although you probably don’t wanna hold your breathe while waiting
R.I.P. King Ad-Rock #34
hopefully news of a trade is just coming in late for us..
grr..
World Series '09 - In Memory of #34 Nick Adenhart!
Stop: Clearing Waivers Time.
In Remembrance of Nick Adenhart, Courtney Stewart, Henry Pearson. Heal soon Jon Wilhite.
I want Andrew Thomas Gallo to be a pinata, and the Angels supply the bats...
Not true. Trades continue to leak out for a couple of hours
They need to be submitted at 1 and approved
Play Wood already. Willits sucks.
Its true.
Anything submitted past 4EDT must clear waivers.
In Remembrance of Nick Adenhart, Courtney Stewart, Henry Pearson. Heal soon Jon Wilhite.
I want Andrew Thomas Gallo to be a pinata, and the Angels supply the bats...
But they can be approved after 4:00edt
They just have to be received by 4:00edt
R.I.P. King Ad-Rock #34
No crap
But the information takes time to trickle out.
Plus I said they need to submitted at one. I understand that. Reporting is not instantaneous is my point
Play Wood already. Willits sucks.
Kotchman/Halladay thoughts
Krotchman as my friend would call him- Ouch thats a good pick up for the bo sox. So we need to counter get Halladay and give them what they want. Enough. Arte is a great owner and will always be able to sign free agents. Wood, bye bye and who ever else Toronto wants give them, we need the best pitcher in baseball.
by Ca1IFORNIA ANGELS on Jul 31, 2009 1:01 PM PDT reply actions
Jason Stark on ESPN, Halladay maybe to the Angels.
Mike Napoli speaks softly and carries a big stick.
wasup with this rumor???
LINKIE PLEASE!!!!
2009 Angels Season: Let's Do This For Nick
by trojanangelfan on Jul 31, 2009 1:04 PM PDT up reply actions
Angels still talking to Blue Jays about Halladay, that's all they said.
Mike Napoli speaks softly and carries a big stick.
source?
link to any of this? i am not seeing anything on espn?
"The Napoli-est Place on Earth."
Trade them
Willie Mays Aikens is FREeeeeeeee
by Angel Aviator on Jul 31, 2009 1:08 PM PDT up reply actions
Get a faster typer
Willie Mays Aikens is FREeeeeeeee
by Angel Aviator on Jul 31, 2009 1:08 PM PDT up reply actions
I just put on my lucky Red Angels jersey!!!
C’Mon NINJA!!
2009 Angels Season: Let's Do This For Nick
by trojanangelfan on Jul 31, 2009 1:08 PM PDT up reply actions
ESPN News on TV is running a trading deadline special, we are not making this up, promise
though these are just rumors at this point
Angels in 09!
Fuck. (my one for July) You gotta give to get. Don't we want to win? Our bullpen is the worst of any division leader.
by Big Bad, 'Vlad'! on Jul 31, 2009 1:06 PM PDT reply actions
bingo
ESPN is trying to get you to keep watching. theres nothing to this. theyre even going out of their way to say its unconfirmed – cover themselves
RIP Nick Adenhart
by ihearhowie2.0 on Jul 31, 2009 1:09 PM PDT up reply actions
In years past there have been trades that took 2-3 hours to be reported.
Play Wood already. Willits sucks.
Oh no, the sky is falling!!!
Get a grip, folks. This is a good team as it stands and well worth going to war with. As Rev said earlier, Reagins has a plan and it involves Brandon Wood and Sean Rodriguez. No need to trade those guys – they will be Kendry Morales and Mike Napoli, v. 2010.
RIP Nick...
Jim Scully
Jim Scully Home
by jimmuscomp on Jul 31, 2009 1:09 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
You are crazy if you think this bullpen is WS worthy. PLease God prove me wrong, but it's silly to think about Bulger or Speier pitching the 8th in any pressure filled meaningfull game.
by Big Bad, 'Vlad'! on Jul 31, 2009 1:12 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Who do you trade for Heath Bell?
He ain’t worth Wood and/or S-Rod.
I’ll stick with Bulger and his high K-rate and his stuff over sending a bunch of folks away. Bulger, Jepsen, Dondo (if healthy), Oliver and Fuentes are fine. Not the best we’ve had, clearly, but not awful. Let’s see how this bullpen does over the next 60 games. If they are healthy, have 1/2 year of experience in the younger guys and keep their stuff – which is very good – they could be just fine.
Remember, they can promote from within too.
Bullpen arms are expensive for little to no guarantee. You are better going with guys that are cheap and throw hard. It doesn’t pay to spend money (or prospects) on relievers. They are terribly flukey.
RIP Nick...
Jim Scully
Jim Scully Home
Insider
UPDATE: Halladay deal still alive?
Roy Halladay | Blue Jays
UPDATE: We’ve heard whispers from a couple places that the Angels might have a late push in for Roy Halladay. Will update soon.
Play Wood already. Willits sucks.
I like Insider
Especially on days like today.
And now it seems the only way to read Stark’s columns. I love those wacky stats!
by LittleCupcakes on Jul 31, 2009 1:13 PM PDT up reply actions
Oh, that Magazine
That’s the part of Insider I don’t enjoy. It’s perhaps the worst sports magazine on the newsstands.
by LittleCupcakes on Jul 31, 2009 1:14 PM PDT up reply actions
No deal for Halladay
Ninja asked for a Tim Horton’s coffee. Ricciardi flew into a rage and ended all talks.
I was unable to land a role in Canada's most famous play
“We’re Gonna Be Alright You Creep, Leaving Home And All, eh?”
by Fan Since 1981 on Jul 31, 2009 1:33 PM PDT up reply actions
ESPN is sick that Halladay may go to Anaheim and not an east coast team.
Mike Napoli speaks softly and carries a big stick.
From Twitter:
fact rolen got done when jays execs said no rolen trade unless doc is dealt, makes me wonder if doc actually got moved
huh? does any of this make sense?
Rotoworld is reporting that Austin jackson may have been the player going to the REDS for Jerry hairston JR
AND
The Reds gave up Encarnacion AND Yonder Alonso for Scott Rolen?
www.13stoploss.com
He is nice but
Alonso is going to be a stud and Rolen is a FA in a year and 2 months
Play Wood already. Willits sucks.
I need a Halladay
2009 Angels Season: Let's Do This For Nick
by trojanangelfan on Jul 31, 2009 1:15 PM PDT up reply actions
My problem is "X" Games are on same time as Angels this afternoon...
Mike Napoli speaks softly and carries a big stick.
What the fuck is happening?
I would call Mead but his phone is gonna be too busy.
Don't call me Desmond
We're just about clear...
I’ll be glad when I see we get clear of this thing unscathed with our players in-tact. I hate the Kotchman/Teixeira trade last year and I don’t want to see the team derailed again when they are playing so well.
That trade was great, look who we got at first now.
by Big Bad, 'Vlad'! on Jul 31, 2009 1:17 PM PDT up reply actions
no it was the lack of a good HK or Maicer in the playoffs
2009 Angels Season: Let's Do This For Nick
by trojanangelfan on Jul 31, 2009 1:19 PM PDT up reply actions
True...
That did hurt us a lot in the playoffs… but I felt the team played worse overall after the trade. They just didn’t seem the same to me.
I don't konw how to explain it exactly...
It seemed like Teix put up big numbers, but the team just didn’t seem to be the same. I think there weren’t any real trades for a long time, then they dumped off a guy that had basically grown up in the organization. I’m not saying that Teix wasn’t an upgrade, but I think his arrival screwed with team chemistry and hurt the team more than his extra offensive stats helped it.
I repeat
what does that mean, “didn’t seem the same?” How do you quantify that? They won a lot of baseball games. You haven’t said anything…
Sorry, Jack...
I’m not a stat geek. I just watch the games and now I’m just commenting on a message board. I can’t necessarily quantify it for you. I’m just posting my observation. Take it for what it’s worth.
nothing
again, what did you see? I’m honestly asking. Because I saw the Angels scoring more runs than the teams they were playing, on a regular basis.
Last year they seemed more down to business after the trade
and seemed to stop enjoying playing the game. IMHO that’s what I saw.
R.I.P. King Ad-Rock #34
Yeah... that's part of it
It’s like the trade reminding them that they weren’t a baseball family, but a business… and they better start looking out for themselves a bit. Maybe someone fails a sac bunt because they are trying to bunt for a hit instead. Little things like that.
It's silly
because your opinion is not founded upon any kind of empirical evidence or reasoning; it’s based upon imagination.
There is reasoning.
Just no stats to back up the reasoning. You disagree. You have no evidence that we would have done worse with Kotchman. It’s all a guessing game. We all watch the game and take away differing opinions. To think you can pull up some stats and assume they would hold true in different circumstances is foolhardy.
This is really winding you up, though, isn’t it? Relax, man. It’s ok for us to disagree. Message boards would be awful boring if one person posted something and it was followed up by 100 posts of “yeah, that’s right”. I can only come away with new insights if people share what they think and we can disagree.
I'm not
the one trying to make a point; you are. Of course you are entitled to your beliefs, but I’m curious what you observed that led you to those beliefs, or did you form them out of whole cloth?
We were both trying to make a point...
Obviously, what I saw on the field led me to those beliefs.
What you saw (whether on the field, or on the stats page, or both), led you to believe something different.
That’s basically where we are. It’s a discussion that I think has to end at us disagreeing because there is no clear numerical/scientific way to decide who’s right.
but
what did you see? That’s what I’m asking. I haven’t said anything one way or the other. You started by saying they were “not the same.” How and why? I’m not saying I agree or disagree. Otherwise, it’s just empty commentary, the kind of thing I expect from Bill Plaschke.
I don't know who Bill Plaschke is...
but I don’t have concrete examples. If you were with me when I was watching the games last year, I could have pointed out the things that I based my perception on. At this point, I’m watching the 2009 Angels and don’t remember most of the minutiae of last years season. I just remember seeing it and talking about it with friends last year. Sorry I don’t have good specific examples.
Not sure if it's concrete, but here's
something interesting. Last year with Kotchman on July 29th, we were on track to win 100 games. We got Teixiera and all the improved batting he brought over Kotch and won…100 games. Would we still have made 100 with Kotch? Who knows. But it’s an interesting question. :)
#34 Forever
Plugging the upside since 2006.
Never give up, never surrender!
Sigh...
I saw that as well… but I saw it with either first baseman. After the trade, it didn’t seem like the team fought as hard when they were down and they didn’t seem to have the same chemistry.
You’ve already said my observation is worth nothing to you, so why worry about it. It’s not a stat thing… I can’t quantify it for you. Maybe, if I had a bunch of extra time, I could look through the stats and see how players may have or may have not changed and how we did in games we fell behind pre-trade and post-trade or some such thing, but I don’t have time for that.
Why don’t you just assume I’m an idiot and let it go. I’m obviously not expressing myself very well.
I seem to recall that
even that asshole Beckett noted that we were a different team with Izzy.
Angels baseball. We do what we must, because we can -- HaloDutch
???
The team won 100 games and Teixeira was on base practically every time. No XBH, to be sure, but how did not having Kotchman “derail” the season That doesn’t make any sense at all.
Sometimes you gotta roll the dice...
2009 Angels Season: Let's Do This For Nick
by trojanangelfan on Jul 31, 2009 1:17 PM PDT up reply actions
and other times you don't.
I know what you’re saying, but I still think we’ve got a great team without selling half of it off for a player that will likely be gone next year.
Say what you will, that ultimately worked out well.
When it comes down to it, I trust Reagins to do what’s in the best interests of this club. Whatever he does, I believe things will work out.
#34 Forever
Plugging the upside since 2006.
Never give up, never surrender!
I hope
they didn’t trade Wood.
Stay on the damn bag!!
If we traded for Halladay you can bet Wood was in there
Don't call me Desmond
by highlandhalo on Jul 31, 2009 1:17 PM PDT up reply actions
Because they hate us
We’re not located within 300 miles of Bristol, Connecticut.
Let's win one for Nick
True, but somewhat fun to follow anyway, no?
by LittleCupcakes on Jul 31, 2009 1:19 PM PDT up reply actions
look its a win-win if you ask me
if we don’t get him we already have a great team… but if we do well then we have halladay and lackey 1-2 punch
don’t tease me with that 1-2
2009 Angels Season: Let's Do This For Nick
by trojanangelfan on Jul 31, 2009 1:20 PM PDT up reply actions
The Jays traded Rolin
so……..
Stay on the damn bag!!
Roy Hallady has been mentioned potentially with the Angels from the lips of ESPN just now.
Mike Napoli speaks softly and carries a big stick.
They expect news of trades to break within the next half hour.
Mike Napoli speaks softly and carries a big stick.
I'm on my mobile ... will let you all know if I get any news
Don't call me Desmond
by highlandhalo on Jul 31, 2009 1:22 PM PDT up reply actions
everyone's busy ... will post with solid news
Don't call me Desmond
by highlandhalo on Jul 31, 2009 1:29 PM PDT up reply actions
They should a kept the midnight deadline
by Big Bad, 'Vlad'! on Jul 31, 2009 1:21 PM PDT reply actions
The reason
for the change, per a story on MLB Network last night, was for the benefit of teams playing on the west coast – i.e., they’re playing games in the final hours of the deadline, meaning they are shorthanded, whereas east coast teams could play with full rosters, then make a deal later.
You people are crazy
The Angels don’t need any more pieces to win the division and the playoffs are a crapshoot no matter what. Let it go.
I feel the need, the need...for speed!
I keep telling people this. If we can get somebody relatively cheap, great. Otherwise, I believe
we can win with what we have now.
#34 Forever
Plugging the upside since 2006.
Never give up, never surrender!
Get to the post season healthy
then get hot…that’s been the formula
I must not fear. Fear is the mind-killer.
We'll find out who's right. It'll be fun.
#34 Forever
Plugging the upside since 2006.
Never give up, never surrender!
Awww man casey on the red sox???
Blehhhh
Please get rid of Speier. "Yes, I suck."- Jose Guillen.
R.I.P. Nick Adenhart, Marquis Cooper, Steve McNair, and Frank Grimes, or Grimey, as he liked to be called
Is silence an indication of
confirmation or no deal
Stay on the damn bag!!
espn just said nothing happening according to Jason Stark
by Fordtrophytruck on Jul 31, 2009 1:23 PM PDT reply actions
no alonso
but still… a younger, cheaper Encarnacion, with more pop potential… with Roenicke and another for Rolen?
They must have really hated Encar…
www.13stoploss.com
Now Stark says nothing is happpening with Angels and Halladay.
Mike Napoli speaks softly and carries a big stick.
Lackey and O'Sullivan
and pray for rain
Stay on the damn bag!!
yea just heard
Aybar is a nowhere man, Sitting in his Nowhere Land, Making all his nowhere plans for nobody.
by princeton11loveshalos on Jul 31, 2009 1:25 PM PDT up reply actions
OMG WHY DIDN'T NINJA JUMP ON THAT?
Years later, Clutch still needs to chill.
R.I.P. Nick Adenhart, #34.
by cardinalwraith on Jul 31, 2009 1:25 PM PDT up reply actions
They are not sure if Peavy approved the deal yet though.
Mike Napoli speaks softly and carries a big stick.
he has a long deal
its not like u lose him because he’s injured
you get him for a few year
Aybar is a nowhere man, Sitting in his Nowhere Land, Making all his nowhere plans for nobody.
by princeton11loveshalos on Jul 31, 2009 1:33 PM PDT up reply actions
son of a!
Please get rid of Speier. "Yes, I suck."- Jose Guillen.
R.I.P. Nick Adenhart, Marquis Cooper, Steve McNair, and Frank Grimes, or Grimey, as he liked to be called
i guess we are good to go
well lets go get em
Aybar is a nowhere man, Sitting in his Nowhere Land, Making all his nowhere plans for nobody.
by princeton11loveshalos on Jul 31, 2009 1:26 PM PDT reply actions
Well again
There could have been something that hasn’t been reported yet but you’re right. No Halladay.
GM jr.
could’ve been had for so little, I am suprised more teams didn’t offer. DP’s and weak defense are so valuable.
Stay on the damn bag!!
somebody above said that Wilson and SRod have been recalled, this is not on the offfical
can anybody else confirm this with a source?
Angels in 09!
old news
Years later, Clutch still needs to chill.
R.I.P. Nick Adenhart, #34.
by cardinalwraith on Jul 31, 2009 1:29 PM PDT up reply actions
After all that..
I think JP Ricciardi is probably gay. He gave great oral and he sure knew how to stroke everyone!
Yeah Ricciardi blew it
He could have gotten a truckload for Halladay and came away with nothing. He’ll either have to settle for seeing a Cy Young pitcher throw for a 4th place team or take a crappy deal like the Twins got for Johan a couple years ago.
I think the Angels did the right thing by not selling the farm for Roy, but Ricciardi blew it.
I feel the need, the need...for speed!
If we wanted to get Halladay
why would we wait till the last fuking second to try and make a trade wtf
R.I.P. Nick Adenhart #34
Mosenbach
back to Salt Lake. No word who is replacing him.
Stay on the damn bag!!
It's official
According to ESPNEWS…Roy Halliday will NOT be traded. Bastards.
Let's win one for Nick
Toronto now saying Halladay will not be moved-source ESPN News
nothing to see here, move on
Angels in 09!
Today
It was reported that the Marlins had swayed away from Nick Johnson, while within in hour it was com firmed that they had acquired him.
I’m done with rumors.
Almost every big deal the Ninja has pulled off came completely without rumors.
Who the hell knows anymore?
I heard somewhere
That the Angels and Jays are working on a late deal and that S-Rod and Bobby Wilson have been called up. Could be an injury but please… What are the odds that someone would be injured on the deadline?
So the S-Rod call up probably means any pick of the middle infielders and possibly Mathis gone? If it has anything to do with Napoli, then there better be a damn good explanation.
but nobody seems to have a source for the SRod and Wilson call up, it's not on the official site. so who knows?
Angels in 09!
DINGDINGDING!
In Remembrance of Nick Adenhart, Courtney Stewart, Henry Pearson. Heal soon Jon Wilhite.
I want Andrew Thomas Gallo to be a pinata, and the Angels supply the bats...
god this is ugly
the yankees are the only big competitor outside of us that didnt add anything, but the difference is they have the most talented team by far
kotchman going to the sux makes me sick almost as much as the lack of deals from the angels part
R.I.P. #34
the rays are third in that division by far
and the rangers have no chance and they know it
R.I.P. #34
Remind me what the Cardinals did.
#34 Forever
Plugging the upside since 2006.
Never give up, never surrender!
DeRosa
Willie Mays Aikens is FREeeeeeeee
by Angel Aviator on Jul 31, 2009 1:45 PM PDT up reply actions
Yeah, OK, I deserved that one. Duh.
#34 Forever
Plugging the upside since 2006.
Never give up, never surrender!
I don't claim perfection.
I merely claim that Reagins knows what he’s doing. ;)
#34 Forever
Plugging the upside since 2006.
Never give up, never surrender!
bingo
If Chone Figgins was included in the deal that’s a deal-buster
Don't call me Desmond
by highlandhalo on Jul 31, 2009 1:54 PM PDT up reply actions
Not meaning to sound like the "Negativist"
But I’m not sold on Reagins yet. Too soon to tell for me.
i dont know if the rangers know they have no chance
even the mariners think they’re in this race. the al west is by no means a foregone conclusion
RIP #34
the m's are gearing up for a run next year
proven by trading away washy whose contract expires at the end of the year
the rangers in their hearts know they dont have it
R.I.P. #34
26 players of the active Angels roster
Stay on the damn bag!!
oh shit we're badass
26 players on our active roster
Please get rid of Speier. "Yes, I suck."- Jose Guillen.
R.I.P. Nick Adenhart, Marquis Cooper, Steve McNair, and Frank Grimes, or Grimey, as he liked to be called
by JoseGuillenSux on Jul 31, 2009 1:45 PM PDT up reply actions
Damnit!
Yup the Jays issued a statement saying that Halladay stays.
Come on!
All this for nothing?!!!
Yep.
Screw it, I like this team anyhow. Mediocre pitching, but leave it to Soth to get things right.
Let's win one for Nick
It'll be funny when we win the WS.
#34 Forever
Plugging the upside since 2006.
Never give up, never surrender!
We's waiting in the Shadows
Like Batman. That guys is going to crush people in the post-season.
RIP Nick Adenhart 4/9/09
I sure hope so
Please get rid of Speier. "Yes, I suck."- Jose Guillen.
R.I.P. Nick Adenhart, Marquis Cooper, Steve McNair, and Frank Grimes, or Grimey, as he liked to be called
by JoseGuillenSux on Jul 31, 2009 1:50 PM PDT up reply actions
I believe they're working on something with him in SL.
#34 Forever
Plugging the upside since 2006.
Never give up, never surrender!
Mortgage
Are the same people who wanted us to trade every under 27 player we have & all of the Bees to Toronto for Halliday, the same type of people who mortgaged a $500,000 house when they make $50K a year? It’s bad math. Just cause you want it doesn’t mean it’s wise to do it.
Nick, you will always be an Angel. And you will be missed.
I don't want to deal everyone
I just wanted another top of the line starter. And a deal involving Wood, Aybar, Saunders, and a pitching prospect surely isn’t the entire future.
We have middle infield depth.
RIP Nick Adenhart 4/9/09
I liked being in first and winning without and I'll continue to like it that way
when we get our beloved ninja signed Torii Hunter back in the lineup it’ll feel like we made a trade
"Boy, did he drop a huge deuce in the stands!" (About a two-run homer)
Rex Hudler
Plus Vlad was rounding back into form when he went down again.
Getting Torii and Vlad for Juice and Quinlain/Willits will do a lot.
#34 Forever
Plugging the upside since 2006.
Never give up, never surrender!
also when beckett outduels lackey
and then the other sux pitchers blow away the rest of our guys (look at weav’s stats, he declines in the 2nd half of the year each year and is doing it again) while they have as good of a lineup as us, it will feel like we made a huge trade
R.I.P. #34
Beckett ain't out-dueling Lackey this year.
Fact. Count on it.
Don't call me Desmond
by highlandhalo on Jul 31, 2009 1:56 PM PDT up reply actions
twice?
i can see him matching and maybe out-dueling him once in a series
but i consider it a great day to get 3 off beckett in 7 innings
ill eat my hat if im wrong, but i just dont see lackey outdoing beckett twice, and even if he did their bullpen owns theirs
it will take a lot of magic and or luck to win both of the matchups between the aces
R.I.P. #34
it was both
and we still dont have a #2 starter while the sux have 2 guys that are arguable better than our #1
R.I.P. #34
Napoli with two bombs won the game off Beckett
it was lester who was killing us check it out
"Boy, did he drop a huge deuce in the stands!" (About a two-run homer)
Rex Hudler
We'll just throw out Matt Palmer and his invincible run support.
#34 Forever
Plugging the upside since 2006.
Never give up, never surrender!
its more comfortable than having saunders throw
Please get rid of Speier. "Yes, I suck."- Jose Guillen.
R.I.P. Nick Adenhart, Marquis Cooper, Steve McNair, and Frank Grimes, or Grimey, as he liked to be called
by JoseGuillenSux on Jul 31, 2009 2:09 PM PDT up reply actions
you know maybe this seems familiar to me
because isn’t this what 2002 looked like when we were known for comeback wins and the dramatic which just drains opposing teams confidence………. just a thought
"Boy, did he drop a huge deuce in the stands!" (About a two-run homer)
Rex Hudler
The difference is the last 2 years we got to the postseason and couldn't score, period.
This year might be the same, but I’m thinking with the O we’ve had the last 2 months, it won’t be.
#34 Forever
Plugging the upside since 2006.
Never give up, never surrender!
We could still have a trade coming
Something that hasn’t been reported yet.
Poor Halladay. That guy has gone through so much crap lately, its a miracle he hasn’t gone completely nuts yet.
im so tired of hearing the analysts croon over halladay
they are still saying the phils and sux should have gotten him but they arent facing the facts
1.) jp was ridiculous in his asking price
2.)the phils stole lee without really giving anything
3.)pitching has never been the problem for the sux, they needed hitting and they got it
R.I.P. #34
son of a joto
i hate the red sux
Please get rid of Speier. "Yes, I suck."- Jose Guillen.
R.I.P. Nick Adenhart, Marquis Cooper, Steve McNair, and Frank Grimes, or Grimey, as he liked to be called
Can't believe
Kotch is over there
You'll never win The Death Game.
by Figgi4life on Jul 31, 2009 3:14 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
There's a sale on Kleenex at Stater Bros, everyone...
jeez, you think we just got eliminated and the season is over today, judging by some of the posts here.
THIS WAS THE TRADING DEADLINE. There are 62 games and and entire set of playoff games still to be played.
While I would have like to have a Roy Halladay or a Heath Bell or BOTH, you have to give Soth and Reagins the benefit of the doubt. They had all the information on the table right in front of them and they know a lot more than we do about what it was going to take to get Bell or Halladay. So, STFU with the whining.
I love this team.
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