Angels: We Will Win With What We Got
by Rev Halofan on Jul 31, 2009 1:36 PM PDT
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PrintUnless some bizarre time machine or double-secret deadline extension occurs, the Angels stood by and watched the trade deadline sail on by. The Disingenuous ESPN demoralized some Halo faithful with a last minute Roy Halladay rumor but it was not meant to be. Further depressing the average Angel fan is the likable Casey Kotchman going to the hated Red Steroid Sox.
Meanwhile - Read MATT WELCH'S EXCELLENT POST: we are playing .600 ball with a solid team. That'll cheer you up.
With Bulger's emergency save the other night, even the bullpen is coming together. The Starting Pitching is only terrible because we are spoiled with a few recent seasons worth of amazing moundwork - our offense is picking up the arms as they work through these minor bumps.
The Angels did not do much in 2002 at the trade deadline and all the press jumped on how terrible Bill Stoneman was. He could have traded Frankie and Ervin Santana to Cleveland for "proven" reliever Paul Shuey. The Detroit Tigers traded a prospect for "proven" veteran Doyle Alexander in 1987. They won the division, lost to Minnesota and did not make the playoffs again until 2006. The prospect's name was John Smoltz.
Repeat after me: WE WILL WIN WITH WHAT WE GOT. That is all.
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We will win with what we got
Arte eats dinner in Corona Del Mar; Tony Reagins eats dinner at the Corona Del Taco
We will win with what we got
i hope…
Aybar is a nowhere man, Sitting in his Nowhere Land, Making all his nowhere plans for nobody.
by princeton11loveshalos on Jul 31, 2009 1:39 PM PDT reply actions
By your command?
Is your blurb in reference to a certain rag-tag fugitive fleet circa Lorne Greene/Dirk Benedict?
by Fan Since 1981 on Jul 31, 2009 2:59 PM PDT up reply actions
should be
should be a t-shirt!
it's on, it's on, til the breakka breakka dawn
by Brian S (brianguy) on Jul 31, 2009 1:59 PM PDT up reply actions
With the current financial situation...
the waiver deadline may be interesting. But, in the meantime. W6G
In Remembrance of Nick Adenhart, Courtney Stewart, Henry Pearson. Heal soon Jon Wilhite.
I want Andrew Thomas Gallo to be a pinata, and the Angels supply the bats...
I think
a lot of guys are going to get through without anybody putting claims in, because they don’t want to get stuck with a large contract in these financial times. I heard Buster Olney on ESPN Radio this afternoon say that the Yankees went to the Royals inquiring about Brian Bannister, and they asked the Royals to pick up the $650,000 on his contract.
Yes you read that correctly, The Big Market have all the money in the world Yankees asked the Royals to pick up the contract of a player they were trading away.
I will say again that a lot of guys are going to get through waivers without a claim placed on them.
We're putting the band back togehter.
Good points.
But, if there are other possibilities out there, I have no doubt NINJA and gang will make it happen. We still need relief help. It’s not backbreaking by any means (as long as RAWR recovers), especially if Jepsen and Arredondo live up to their potential.
In Remembrance of Nick Adenhart, Courtney Stewart, Henry Pearson. Heal soon Jon Wilhite.
I want Andrew Thomas Gallo to be a pinata, and the Angels supply the bats...
I commend the front office for sticking to a plan and ignoring the urge to make a trade at any cost.
im glad we didnt overpay for heath bell
we got arredondo coming back, jepsen emerging and ollie around to get it done
RIP Nick Adenhart
we will win with what we got
i didnt really want the angels to do anything. i felt like last year was out of character for us. do you think the redsox would give us kotchman back if we gave them gmj or quinnlan? cash? i can’t look at him wearing that uniform.
Chili Davis - the closest thing the MLB got to a real life Pedro Cerrano.
Too bad for Casey
Sorry to see him in Boston, especially b/c he won’t be playing much. I thought for sure that he would be moved again by the Sox, but alas, he is stuck there for the time being. As for bringing him back here, we are set at first base. Kendry has been a revelation at the plate, constantly improving and growing as he sees more and more major league pitching. His defense has been much better than advertised as well. I can’t see any situation that would make me choose Casey over Kendry. Kudos to the organization again for making the Tex move last year and seeing the potential in Morales if he didn’t stay.
We will win with what we’ve got.
I know
KMo is the man. and it ended up being a great move. it would just be nice to have kotch as a back up or to dh every once in awhile. it just sucks that hes on the roid sox
Chili Davis - the closest thing the MLB got to a real life Pedro Cerrano.
by NW angels Fan on Jul 31, 2009 3:40 PM PDT up reply actions
The problem as we all know, is the postseason.
We will be going up against true #1’s and 2’s, Can we still score 6,7,8,9, runs? Then in the late innings our bullpen will have to succeed. It is not realistic to be so optimistic in thinking that all of a sudden they will perform in the most pressure packed situations. Bulger? Jepson? Speier?( he was so shat he didn’t even make the PS roster last season, does he look much better this year?).
by Big Bad, 'Vlad'! on Jul 31, 2009 1:49 PM PDT reply actions
maybe not score 7 runs a game
but we did beat all of these studs this year already
Beckett
Wakefield 2X (All Star!!)
Sabathia 2X
Greinke
Felix Hernandez
Washburn (maybe not a stud, but having a great year)
Bedard
Billingsley
Lincecum
We will win with what we've got
I’m glad we didn’t give away anyone. We have a great team, why mess with it? And the bullpen is coming around too, so things are looking good
Bummer about Kotchman though. Unfortunately, now I have to boo him.
Let's go Howie...
we might make the playoffs with what we got
but beat both the Yanks and Red Sox in the playoffs with this pitching? I don’t think so.
For the playoffs, a team needs 3 reliable starters.
Do we have 3 reliable starters? No. We have 2 (Lackey, Weaver). I hope for sufficient improvement from Santana or Saunders to provide a 3rd decent arm. I just don’t see Loux, Palmer, O’Sullivan, Ortega, or anyone else that can be a reliable 3rd starter.
Who would not want a 5th starter right now that holds an 8-1 record?
seriously
Mike Napoli speaks softly and carries a big stick.
I agree...
…but Palmer seemed to be getting progressively worse as a starter (without looking at his stats…this is from memory).
That is fine, I am happy to be a Matt Palmer fan all by myself.
I will be looking forward to watching him pitch tonight when Santana can’t make it past three innings.
Mike Napoli speaks softly and carries a big stick.
love the palmer magic too
he’s awesome
Aybar is a nowhere man, Sitting in his Nowhere Land, Making all his nowhere plans for nobody.
by princeton11loveshalos on Jul 31, 2009 2:23 PM PDT up reply actions
I didn't say I' m not a fan of his...
…I’m more a fan of the team’s success than of any individual player. If he can get the job done, great. Do you agree though that he was getting progressively less effective as a starter?
It seemed to me he was an unknown commodity when he was first recalled from the Bees. Once he was scouted for a few games, our opponents had a better handle on his tendencies, adjusted, and ere more successful hitting against him.
I’d be happy for Matt to have continued success. It’d make a good story…“30 year old rookie cast aside by the Giants wins important playoff game for the Angels”. I just don’t anticipate that level of success for the guy.
Palmer was'nt given the chance to be a regular starter
because Saunders and Santana had not yet imploded. You can’t bounce a pitcher back and forth between the rotation and the bullpen and expect perfect consistency. Now he is there to come to Saunders and Santana’s rescue every time they screw up. I see Palmer back in the regular rotation soon.
Mike Napoli speaks softly and carries a big stick.
You may prove to be correct.
My guess is O’Sullivan will be given priority for the 5th starter, with Palmer being used for long relief.
I really hope not
He’s been extremely lucky to have only one loss, he’s been better out of the bullpen. I’d keep him there.
R.I.P. King Ad-Rock #34
me!!
considering he has very little to do with that record
he gets the most ridiculous run support
R.I.P. #34
And the Angels are scoring about nine runs every game, not just when Matt pitches.
Mike Napoli speaks softly and carries a big stick.
If it ain't broke, don't fix it. ;)
#34 Forever
Plugging the upside since 2006.
Never give up, never surrender!
*shrug* It broke, so we fixed it. And came back to our present success.
#34 Forever
Plugging the upside since 2006.
Never give up, never surrender!
And boy did we fix it
I loved the G-Unit that year
Troy Glaus
Vladimir Guerrero
Garret Anderson
Jose Guillen
Along with a great 2nd half by Bart & an under-rated year by Escobar
That really was a fun team to watch, thanks Guillen for screwing that up
R.I.P. King Ad-Rock #34
If we'd stayed something like healthy at all that year our offense
would have been unstoppable. G-Force was an AWESOME concept.
#34 Forever
Plugging the upside since 2006.
Never give up, never surrender!
That was the G-Force, not the G-Unit.
Angels baseball. We do what we must, because we can -- HaloDutch
comfortable...
i’m comfortable with the current roster, but we’ll need the guys to step up down the stretch, namely the starting pitching. if Ervin can find any sort of form and Joe gets a little better, i like their chances. it’s just tough because a number of teams got a lot better at the deadline, and it’s tough to see that while the Angels just stood still…
I disagree
As posted, we won 100 last year and had an early exit in the first round. Our pen is awful, or lets say shaky, poor middle relief and if we had Halladay then we have a #1 and #2 who are studs.
by Ca1IFORNIA ANGELS on Jul 31, 2009 1:51 PM PDT reply actions
good point
this has been my thinking all along. your writeup helps confirm it. but if the right deal ever comes down, take it.
otherwise, why go through the whole Mark Texieira thing all over again?
it's on, it's on, til the breakka breakka dawn
by Brian S (brianguy) on Jul 31, 2009 1:58 PM PDT reply actions
I can't believe nothing happened though
It’s so ridiculous that the Angels were in NO way involved with trades this season. We may be good enough to win it all but, in the end, everybody still thinks we’re a franchise thats afraid of giving up prospects.
We could have proved them wrong by getting Halladay, but no. Of course not.
They better figure out what to do with Woody and Figgy next season, that is if they do resign Figgy….They better.
Just all this time we’ve spent, keeping up with ALL of those dumb rumors, hoping that we would get an ace. And what happened? Absolutely nothing.
Bothers me.
I don't think it's fair to say we weren't involved, just none worked out.
I’m sure the front office went into trade talks with a plan of what we were willing to give up for what we’d be receiving. If nothing comes from talks that fist within those parameters, the smart thing to do is walk away.
We Will Win With What Got
Especially with Torii and Vladdy coming back!
the postseason
is such a crap shoot. remember jeff weaver won a game in the world series after being god awful the entire year? whos to say saunders or santana can’t do the same? i don’t think beckett or sabathia don’t exactly scare me this year. it really is all about who gets hot down the stretch so i’ll roll the dice with what we have.
Chili Davis - the closest thing the MLB got to a real life Pedro Cerrano.
I got jack shit off my sources except ...
Jays wanted Kendrick, Weaver and Izturis.
Too much. IMO
Don't call me Desmond
interesting, I guess Weaver would had been the deal breaker?
though, with this combination, Figgy could have moved to second base, Wood to third base, and SRod as the back up at 3b and 2b.
Angels in 09!
They didn't want Wood?
Wow. I’d have given them Saunders, Kendrick, Izturis, and Mathis For Doc. Pretty fair.
What kind of abnormal animal is that?
And those kids who had their own ponies, I hated those kids. In fact, I hate anyone that ever had a pony when they were growing up.
by Fan Since 1981 on Jul 31, 2009 3:05 PM PDT up reply actions
My pony comment is a word-for-word quote from Seinfeld
I was curious if anybody would pick up on it.
by Fan Since 1981 on Jul 31, 2009 3:43 PM PDT up reply actions
Who figures an immigrant is going to have a pony?
Why would anybody come here if they had a pony? Who leaves a country packed with ponies to come to a non-pony country?
It is all about the pure bred pretty miniature ponies here.
Mike Napoli speaks softly and carries a big stick.
Wont win with this
I will not drink the punch….
Sorry but John Smoltz won because the Braves went and got guys like Grissom (trade) and McGriff (trade) signed FA and added some players from within the system. Good thing the Braves didnt pass on a deal for a little know single A player. By the way I think the Tigers lost to the eventual WS Champs the Minn Twins in the worst to first year
Willie Mays Aikens is FREeeeeeeee
Almost worst to first
Twins finished 2nd last in the AL West in 1986. Won the West in 1987 with just 85 wins. They weren’t that good; the Twins allowed more runs than they scored that year. The Tigers won a robust 98 games and were 8-4 against the Twins in the regular season.
Good. At least I'm not alone.
Maybe I’m just disappointed and it’s clouding my judgment, but I don’t think the Angels even have the division wrapped up, let alone any play off wins. Halladay would have been great at the right price, but are you telling me Jarrod Washburn isn’t better than Matt Palmer? Or George Sherrill isn’t better than Kevin Jepsen, or Justin Seier, or Jason Bulger? How about John Grabow? Isn’t he at least better than Rich Thompson, or Rafael Rodriquez, or Bobby Mosebach, or some other AAA farmhand who keeps showing up in games?
I love the Angels, but I think their hitting is a bit fluky and over their heads at the moment. The hitting isn’t going to continue to support the poor pitching. Wasn’t just about a month ago we all called him Failbar? Now, Erick Aybar is untouchable to a lot of you. What happens if he goes back to being the player he was in March/April (.245) or June (.256)? Or 2008 where he posted a .314 OBP?
Now that the front office hasn’t done anything to improve the club, I’m just hoping the pitching does come around. Saunders is just going through some mid-season funk, Santana figures out that he can throw his slider and not re-injure his elbow, and Arredondo can regain his confidence and return to dominating opposing hitters.
Maybe w6g
If you look there has been a record of very high scoring games across the AL all year.
I think it has a lot to do with poor and unlucky starts by teams’ pitching in general. It is even more obvious all the trades and focus on trades for pitching between teams this deadline.
Mike Napoli speaks softly and carries a big stick.
thank you
very well articulated and i agree with everything u put
R.I.P. #34
R.I.P. JJ
W6G...Go Halos!!
Tell me, were you drinking the punch last year when we got Tex like everyone said we needed to?
#34 Forever
Plugging the upside since 2006.
Never give up, never surrender!
I admit it
I was two-fisting the punch from gallon jugs.
Teixeira made the Angels better, it wasn’t his fault they lost.
So in your opinion, as long as we make the shortsighted move, it's OK if we lose?
I guess that’s consistent atleast. Me, I think that like another poster said farther down, the playoffs are a crapshoot, it’s who gets hot at the right time. Given that info, I’d rather have as many chances as possible, as opposed to 1 or 2 slightly increased chances.
#34 Forever
Plugging the upside since 2006.
Never give up, never surrender!
How was Teixeira a short-sighted move??
Casey Kotchman and Marek were important pieces to long term success? Kotchman is so good, he was traded today for LaRoche who had just been traded for Hunter Strickland and Argenis Diaz.
So yeah, I’d rather go all-in pre-flop with AA than trying to catch a straight on the river.
Yes, because in his case Reagins (you know, the guy you keep saying screwed up?)
had a BACKUP PLAN. It’s name was Kendry Morales, and it turns out to have been a much better plan than we had any right to expect it to be.
Tell me, if we traded away Aybar, Wood, Saunders, and O’Sullivan, and Halladay DIDN’T win us a ring, what was the back up plan? Sean Rodriguez, Maicer Izturis, and oh hey, we’re out of pitchers. Oops. Guess we better go trade away more of the farm or hope to hell Reckling and Bell are ready for the bigs! /sarc
Yeah, pass.
#34 Forever
Plugging the upside since 2006.
Never give up, never surrender!
Not to mention
Maicer Izturis would be on the DL at some point in time. Whose coming up to back up Sean Rodriguez when he’s filling in?
R.I.P. King Ad-Rock #34
Hanley Statia. Be still, my beating heart.
#34 Forever
Plugging the upside since 2006.
Never give up, never surrender!
Why do you keep putting trades in my mouth?
I’ve NEVER said anything about trading Aybar, Wood, Saunders, and O’Sullivan for Halladay. I’d have been happy with Saunders, Wood, Mathis and a minor leaguer (as I wrote earlier today). Which of those players are vital to the Angels future? Saunders who slots into a 3rd or 4th starter? Oh, maybe Wood who hasn’t done anything in his limited time in the majors. You must be thinking of Mathis and his sub-.200 average. Yeah, CERA wins you pennants!
I’ve been advocating improvements, not ravaging an already “soft” minor league roster.
And by the way, where did I say Reagins screwed up? I kind of enjoyed discussing this with you, but you’re pissing me off by putting words in my mouth. Either discuss what I write or STFU.
I'm talking about what it would have taken to GET Halladay, not
what I would like to have given up. That is the rumored trade we were given by Riccardi. That is what I assume you mean when you say you wanted Halladay. I apologize if this is incorrect, and I’m not trying to put words in your mouth. For the record, I’d have done Saunders, Mathis Wood and someone like Bourjos. But I don’t think Riccardi would ever have taken it.
As for the other moves you’ve talked about, I never thought we’d get Sherill, we already have two lefty late inning guys in OIiver and Fuentes. The M’s would have made us overpay for Washburn even more than the Tigers did, us being an interdivisional rival and all. I don’t even know who Grabow is, to be honest. Fact is, Heath Bell was probably our best bet for relief help and I’d guess the Pads wanted more than he was worth to us.
As for why we didn’t get Lee…My honest answer is that Shapiro must have wanted Knapp REALLY badly, because I can’t see Reagins refusing to part with someone like Torres, Bobby Wilson and S. Rodgriguez, which is a better package than the Indians ended up with. You can’t fix stupid.
#34 Forever
Plugging the upside since 2006.
Never give up, never surrender!
Just an aside, apparently the Pods wanted SOS, Dondo, AND S-Rod for Bell.
So I’m just as glad that didn’t happen.
#34 Forever
Plugging the upside since 2006.
Never give up, never surrender!
The problem in judging these things
YOU think that our prospects comprise a better package than what their prospects comprise, but obviously THEIR scouts and staff thought differently.
We overvalue our own propspects. Everyone does. Other teams spit on some of our players.
Then we'll just have to show them they're wrong.
#34 Forever
Plugging the upside since 2006.
Never give up, never surrender!
I agree
but I don’t agree with people blaming Reagins because other team’ scouts don’t have wood for Wood alone.
...Um, agreed?
Check me if I’m mistaken, I think I’ve been defending Reagins from all comers over, like, 3/4 of the website today. :P
#34 Forever
Plugging the upside since 2006.
Never give up, never surrender!
I don't think you've been defending Reagins
as much as defending your opinion. You’ve stated the Teixeira deal was bad, but that’s a deal Reagins made at this time last year.
You’ve only defended him when his actions agreed with your position.
No. I stated the Teix deal didn't WORK...and that
therefore it was unlikely trading for ANY one player would magically hand us the playoffs. Let me be clear, that was a great move, if for nothing else than clearing the way for Kendry to dominate. I’M saying trust Reagins if he decided to stand pat. He has good reasons for doing so, I’d bet.
#34 Forever
Plugging the upside since 2006.
Never give up, never surrender!
Totally agree
The farm is not deep at the higher levels; many of the players in SLC today are nothing more than “organizational guys”. They’ll get a cup of coffee now and then with the big league club, but will never be everyday players.
Ninja’s hands were tied because the there’s a lack of talent on the farm. Boston did great today and they still protected their top ranked talent.
I have no problem with Ninja not pulling the trigger.
Exactly right
Me, I think that like another poster said farther down, the playoffs are a crapshoot, it’s who gets hot at the right time.
Think of a team in Anaheim in 2002. Not even close to being the best team in MLB, but certainly the winner of the World Series.
by George Kaplan on Jul 31, 2009 3:47 PM PDT up reply actions
They all peaked at the same time
A mutual orgasm of baseball ecstasy. On paper, though—that place where baseball isn’t played—the Angels weren’t close to being the best.
by George Kaplan on Jul 31, 2009 3:57 PM PDT up reply actions
99 wins. One of the best records in the second half
I think they were close to being the best
4th most runs. 6th in OPS. 6th in OBP. 7th in SLG. Oh and they were #1 in BA
4th in team ERA. 4th in BAA. 5th in QS. 3rd in BP ERA. 8th in starters ERA
They look pretty damn good to me. Not sure what you were watching.
Play Wood already. Willits sucks.
You're discussing the results
I’m discussing the personnel. Big difference.
by George Kaplan on Jul 31, 2009 9:05 PM PDT up reply actions
Short sighted?
We got good value for Kotch, and the pitcher we traded was garbage. The ATL seemed to love Kotch…………
Play Wood already. Willits sucks.
So since we did not win it all, improving at the deadline is a bad idea?
Play Wood already. Willits sucks.
At around 1:10, ESPN was reporting rumors of Halladay..
being traded to the Angels for Saunders and others.
Man, my hopes were up.
What do you need a fancy suit for, Charlie, you ain't got no job to wear it to.
It is a little disappointing we didn't do ANYTHING
but what will happen come October if we’re winning thanks to guys like Aybar, Kendrick, Weaver, Saunders REALLY stepping it up or having 5+ rbi games or pitching lights out? Then we’ll be thanking our lucky stars we DIDN’T trade them.
Just baseball, I guess.
I'm not superstitious, but I'm a little stitious.
Yup, exactly.
I’m hoping that my scenarios are what we see happen rather than yours :)
I'm not superstitious, but I'm a little stitious.
by lightupthehalo on Jul 31, 2009 2:18 PM PDT up reply actions
You say Ninja...
I say turtle.
The fact that Tony Turtle couldn’t do one single thing to improve the club, given our glut of middle infielders and solid catching depth, says something unfortunate about Reagins’ business acumen. He’s just not up to playing with the rough boys.
I’m not talking Halladay— I’m talking the Dodgers nabbing Sherrill for close to nothing, the Sox pulling in V-mart and Kotch without shedding any of their most coveted prospects.
We may win with what we got, but it’ll have to be with our offense alone. It blows me away that he couldn’t flip an S-rod, Mathis or Bourjos for a set-up man. Other GMs got more for less.
by Turks Teeth on Jul 31, 2009 2:25 PM PDT via mobile reply actions 1 recs
yeah well
you cant judge until the season is over. what if we win a world series on the back of some heavy contributions from arredondo or a clutch hit by mathis or wood?
even if we dont, ive always felt like in 2009 we’re playing with house money. we’ve gone through so much im just thrilled to be where we are. no need to blow it up in a trade
RIP Nick Adenhart
by ihearhowie2.0 on Jul 31, 2009 2:28 PM PDT up reply actions
I'd like to see another GM construct a team that can lose it's best hitter for 3 months, it's second
best hitter for a month, it’s set up man, a promising rookie pitcher, it’s ace for 2 months, it’s #4 for 2 months, and still be playing .600 ball at the trade deadline. I’d like to watch them TRY.
#34 Forever
Plugging the upside since 2006.
Never give up, never surrender!
1 year. When we made the big trade everyone demanded at the deadline,
the one that absolutely, without a shadow of a doubt, made us the favorites. Lets see what happens when we stick with the team we’ve got.
#34 Forever
Plugging the upside since 2006.
Never give up, never surrender!
It is the end of July, check you calendar.
The pitching has until like tomorrow to get it together. Fine if they do, I really hope they do, but if not don’t look for more than winning the AL West at the very most if we are lucky and manage to beat the Rangers at the end.
Mike Napoli speaks softly and carries a big stick.
We'll make it. This team hasn't let death or injury stop it.
Can’t see why they’d be bothered by something like not making a trade.
#34 Forever
Plugging the upside since 2006.
Never give up, never surrender!
im just saying including all the amazing things the gm has done in the past
hasnt translated into anything
also i give credit to the players for the .600 ball, not the gm becuz its not exactly like our depth (gmj, willits, mathis) has lead the charge
and seeing all of our home grown pitchers outside of the ace struggle this season, im not so sold on the turtle
R.I.P. #34
R.I.P. JJ
W6G...Go Halos!!
Yeah, it's not like he got one of our best deals EVER last season.
Who’s Bobby Abreu, anyway?
#34 Forever
Plugging the upside since 2006.
Never give up, never surrender!
im not saying he hasnt done anything
im just saying most of the credit goes to the players
R.I.P. #34
R.I.P. JJ
W6G...Go Halos!!
Most of the credit goes to the players, no matter what.
On what team is this NOT true? 0_o
#34 Forever
Plugging the upside since 2006.
Never give up, never surrender!
I am also an optimist, this team has overachieved beyoned anyones expectations, very similar to our world series team. In the playoffs all you need is timely hitting (Angels got that down better than anyone) and some quality pitching….. (Lackey is coming around, Weaver has thrown some gems, and Santana/Saunders have a long time to figure it out)
I think I already gave up on this season officially not too long ago. So, this is all bonus time anyway. At this point, though, my updated guess is that they make the playoffs, but lose in the first round to the Red Sox. I hope we can face the Red Sox in the playoffs, though, and take them out in some glorious fashion. It would certainly exorcise some demons for me, personally.
I love this team.
by Downing Rules on Jul 31, 2009 5:03 PM PDT up reply actions
Can I ask why you gave up?
#34 Forever
Plugging the upside since 2006.
Never give up, never surrender!
It was looking pretty bleak, no relief corps (we were calling them the arson squad). Where were you? ;)
I love this team.
by Downing Rules on Jul 31, 2009 5:10 PM PDT up reply actions
Sleeping, more than likely. :P
#34 Forever
Plugging the upside since 2006.
Never give up, never surrender!
we got the big bat last year
and that didn’t work out either.
S-Rod, Mathis or Bourjos....
Are just not that good. It’s not reasonable to expect Ninja to put a bow around a box of crap and sell it as a dozen roses. Let’s reverse the argument: if Mathis, S-Rod or Bourjos were on another team – and we needed a no-hit catcher or middle infielder or no-power outfielder, would we trade for these guys?
I highly doubt it…..
I gotta agree, as a long time angel fan. It’s only been recently that the Angels have actually decided to play the trade/FA game. The Angels have always done it with our own system players. It won us a word series.
Our team is full of clutch offensive players that have been the highest scoring in the league. We have the most come from behind victories.
However, I was like many of you, and realy wish we got some bullpen/SP help. It didnt happen. But that is not going to rock my faith. Santana and Saunders will get their head in gear. Jepsen will earn our adoration. Loux wont be such a doormat.. Fuentes will continue his league leading saves count and Palmer will continue to be our luck charm. Not to mention Rivera, Hunter, and Vlad will come back strong!
A sad day for this years angels yes, but look at it this way, our future remains bright this season and years to come!
?????
“The Angels have always done it with our own system players.” WOW I don’t see it that way.
"The Smarter I get, the More I Have To Learn"
always should be "once"
I love this team.
by Downing Rules on Jul 31, 2009 5:04 PM PDT up reply actions
going in my sig
WE WILL WIN WITH WHAT WE GOT.
R.I.P. Nick Adenhart, Marquis Cooper, Steve McNair, and Frank Grimes, or Grimey, as he liked to be called
Not sure if this was mentioned...
But the Doyle Alexander trade was in 1987. They lost to the Twins in the playoffs.
I feel the need, the need...for speed!
Playoff success
Is a complete crapshoot. The Angels were one missed bunt and one bonehead pitch by K-Rod away from that being a completely different series.
The Angels can win with this team. Could it be better? Sure, but i’s not worth mortgaging the future. Reagins didn’t find a good trade, so he passed. Nothing wrong with that.
I feel the need, the need...for speed!
by Gorbachav5 on Jul 31, 2009 2:45 PM PDT reply actions 4 recs
i dont feel good about a 1 run lead in Fenway in October
with our current bullpen.
that’s my stance.
Thank you, Nick Adenhart. You will always be remembered. #34
Since I wouldn't feel comfortable with a 1 run lead against Boston period,
I’m not sure how anyone, even Doc, would have changed that.
#34 Forever
Plugging the upside since 2006.
Never give up, never surrender!
We're gonna be fine
Weaver has had a haircut. Lackey is more interested in pitching than hitting batters. Ervin Santana is an enigma who can be awesome. Joe Saunders may be struggling but he will get through it. I like O’Sullivan as a No. 5 right now.
On the offensive side … shit we get Vladimir Guerrero and Torii Hunter back this month. That does not suck. And HK is finally knocking the cover off that ball.. Aybar is a GG SS,
Let’s get this done second half, and Casey can enjoy missing the playoffs.
Don't call me Desmond
I think we are hampered by Vlad hogging the DH if he comes back as the team goes.
We would get much more out of Napoli and even GMJ DHing the rest of the season.
Mike Napoli speaks softly and carries a big stick.
how do we get more out of napoli as the dh?
allowing mathis to be in the lineup boosts our offensive production?
R.I.P. #34
R.I.P. JJ
W6G...Go Halos!!
We will win with what we've got
… At least I hope so, I can’t stand another unsuccessful playoff year.
At least wood is still a halo
2009 Angels Season: Let's Do This For Nick
by trojanangelfan on Jul 31, 2009 3:15 PM PDT via mobile reply actions
Wx6G
You'll never win The Death Game.
by Figgi4life on Jul 31, 2009 3:16 PM PDT via mobile reply actions
OT
But early 80’s era Sean Penn is a spitting image of WTY.
http://salamato.com/images/bb2.jpg
What do you need a fancy suit for, Charlie, you ain't got no job to wear it to.
We are a stable team, and we will win with what we got!
I ’aint worried.
I don't disagree... but...
Why does Reagins look like a fool coming out and saying he wanted to make a big deal at the deadline. The guy couldn’t trade his way off of a used car lot.
Peavy was the last straw with me.
Sure he is on the DL now but how valuable would he be next year if Lackey walks away?
Mike Napoli speaks softly and carries a big stick.
Peavy
After watching him disintegrate over the past two seasons, I am glad we didn’t pull the trigger on that one.
I think Kenny Williams will live to regret this one, since his team is now on the hook for Peavy’s deal.
by George Kaplan on Jul 31, 2009 3:51 PM PDT up reply actions
That's why I asked
Didn’t think you would jump the gun, but people are slightly off today.
Thanks for the info
R.I.P. King Ad-Rock #34
Explain to me
I would love to know why you think Reagins is so terrible at making deals. The 2 major trades I can think of that he has made, Kotch/Marek for Tex & Cabrera for Garland, worked out quite well for the Angels. Those players we received contributed to our continuing success and the players who we lost were replaced with others that have been more then adequate. Those players he hasn’t traded (Kendrick, Weaver, Saunders, Morales, Napoli, Wood, SRod to name a few) have had varying degrees of success at the major league level, but most have also contributed to the Angels winning ways.
Fans are always going to find something to bitch about.
With Stoneman, it was always “he never makes a move at the deadline.”
Ninja came on board and made a move right away and everyone was “see, that’s how you do it, Bill.”
Now, one deadline passes and it is like “Tony cannot make the move when the team needs it … what a slouch!!!”
Myopic.
I love this team.
by Downing Rules on Jul 31, 2009 5:07 PM PDT up reply actions 4 recs
Besides which...
It isn’t as if the Angels can’t get any more players through trades. I wouldn’t be surprised to see a starter with a big contract slide through waivers for the Angels to pick up (the Yankees would need that player, too, but their better W-L record would work against them in this case). I know I keep bringing up Arroyo and Harang, but the Reds are on a high-speed toboggan ride to nowhere and to unload the salary of one of those two pitchers would provide the Angels with a solid #3 while Saunders and Santana relearn how to pitch.
There are plenty of deals after the waiver deadline. They’re just a little more complicated.
by George Kaplan on Jul 31, 2009 9:23 PM PDT up reply actions
We Will Win With What We Got?
HH’ers, Rev Halofan is going all Jim Jones on us right now. Don’t drink the punch I think there is something in it. LOL
Mike Napoli speaks softly and carries a big stick.
at the bottom of your cup of kool aid there is something...
…a ring.
DRINK!
by Rev Halofan on Jul 31, 2009 3:42 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I will go back and look in the trash. Hopefully I will find it before I croak!
Mike Napoli speaks softly and carries a big stick.
62 + playoffs...
hang tight, haul. There’s room for you on the wagon. Don’t fall off, my friend.
I love this team.
by Downing Rules on Jul 31, 2009 5:08 PM PDT up reply actions
Thank you for the spot
But what is this all about?
I think I already gave up on this season officially not too long ago. So, this is all bonus time anyway. At this point, though, my updated guess is that they make the playoffs, but lose in the first round to the Red Sox. I hope we can face the Red Sox in the playoffs, though, and take them out in some glorious fashion. It would certainly exorcise some demons for me, personally.
I love this team.
by Downing Rules on Jul 31, 2009 5:03 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions 0 recs
Play Wood already. Willits sucks.
:) Call a spade a spade!
I love this team.
by Downing Rules on Jul 31, 2009 5:10 PM PDT up reply actions
Just having some fun
I am not giving up but to be blunt I do not envision a long run into October. We will be there though
Play Wood already. Willits sucks.
Actually, though…I have faith that the Angels will win it all if they don’t play the Red Sox. But, I WANT THEM to face the Red Sox and finally get over that hump. So, yes, there can still be rings in the kool aid. Giving up earlier this season was not in my usual character; however the circumstances that faced this team were so large. They must be playing inspired.
I do agree that Speier, Bulger and Jepsen is a serious gamble, but let’s see what they can do. Sounds like Mike and Tony believe in them.
I love this team.
by Downing Rules on Aug 1, 2009 3:25 PM PDT up reply actions
Just checked some stats
Guess who Doc Halladay has the worst ERA against,
Texas, Oakland, Boston
minimum of 25 innings pitched.
Split W L ERA
Texas Rangers 7 7 5.36
Oakland Athletics 6 4 4.54
Boston Red Sox 13 12 4.33
Total 26 23 4.65
W L ERA
Everyone Else 104 40 3.08
Who was it again that we needed to get Halladay to beat?
by LosAngel on Jul 31, 2009 3:45 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
solid work
I really thought / expected the Angels to get some relief pitching, but alas…here we are
quick question – how are deals made after this deadline (i heard something about waivers)
Yeah, but...
I posted this earlier this month:
If the season were to end today, the Angels would be hosting the New York Yankees (wild card), while the Red Sox would play the Tigers. In a 5 game division series, the Angels would feature a starting rotation of Halladay/Lackey/Weaver matching up to the Bomber’s Sabathia/Burnett/Pettitte. Over the last 3 seasons (2007-2009), Halladay has gone 7-1 against the Yankees, with an ERA of 2.58 in 83.2 innings. Additionally, if the series were to go further than 3 games, Halladay’s second start would be in New York where he’s compiled a 2.27 ERA with a 2-1 record.
Once the Angels beat the Yanks, most likely they’d be facing the Red Sox again, but this time in the ALCS. Halladay has been somewhat inconsistent against Boston, going 4-5 with a 4.13 ERA since 2007. However, last season Halladay posted a very good 2.56 ERA, winning 3 of 5 decisions.
who cares about the Yankees
we OWN them. CC and Pettitte have been our bitches this year.
3-2 vs the Red Sox is ok, but not worth mortgaging the future.
Saunders is 4-1 vs Red Sox 3.25 ERA
Weaver is 2-2 with a 3.99 ERA
Don’t get be wrong, Halladay is a fantastic pitcher, but the Jays were being unreasonable in their ask.
Wish we would have done SOMETHING
It didn’t have to be a sell the farm for Halladay deal but added another small piece like a middle reliever would have been a nice touch. I don’t think Sherrill was the right guy for us because we didn’t need another lefty/closer but why not someone like Matt Capps considering the Pirates were having a free sale? I do like the fact that we are actually in a divisional race this year (quite a good one actually) and if we do make the playoffs then we should remain sharp unlike when we went in basically untouched last season.
Sometimes
Doing nothing is something.
The great Branch Rickey used to say, “The best deals you make are often the ones you don’t make.”
Instead of eliminating some of the talent we’ll draw upon in 2009-2012, we kept it. That isn’t bad.
by George Kaplan on Jul 31, 2009 3:59 PM PDT up reply actions
He also said better to trade one year early, than one year late
I must not fear. Fear is the mind-killer.
He also said “there’s a sucker born every minute.” Oops, different guy.
I love this team.
by Downing Rules on Jul 31, 2009 5:09 PM PDT up reply actions
There is a reason Capps wasn't traded
He is terrible!
6.75ERA, 1.78 WHIP .328 BAA
The dangers of being a wing man
Sometimes the friend is fat
R.I.P. King Ad-Rock #34
by Seik1177 on Jul 31, 2009 4:11 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
Here's what it comes down to for me
Other than Cliff Lee, is there anyone out there that I would have wanted to get that was moved? Maybe Sherill, but that’s it (and remember that we smoked his ass earlier this year).
I’m very happy with the composition of this team. I’m happy with our abundance of quality infielders. I’m happy with our starting rotation (some rough spots here lately for Saunders/Santana…but I’m confident they’ll come around). I’m happier with our pen lately. Bulger and Jepsen have pitched better lately and DO has been a stud, and except the last two outings, Fuentes has been RAWRRAWRRAWR outstanding.
Bottom line — W6G
I must not fear. Fear is the mind-killer.
That was quite a bit.
I love this team.
by Downing Rules on Jul 31, 2009 5:11 PM PDT up reply actions
Of course it was
There was no necessity for them to trade Bell in the first place. For them to trade an effective, affordable player like Bell, the other team would have to drop their pants. A package of O’Sullivan, Arredondo and Rodriguez would equate with the sound of the buckle hitting the linoleum.
While it would have been nice to add Bell to the bullpen, it could never have justified that pricetag.
by George Kaplan on Jul 31, 2009 9:10 PM PDT up reply actions
When did we start going all Billy Beane with the playoffs are a crapshoot?
I can’t disagree more with this statement.
RIP #34
I say no move was the best move..........
considering what we heard was turned down as an offer……..
In Tony, Arte, and Sosh I trust…..
We will win with what we got
Godspeed Nick - RIP - 1986-2009
by norcaliangelsfan on Jul 31, 2009 8:51 PM PDT reply actions
The Angels.
We Have Won With What We Got. We Are Winning With What We Got. We WILL Win (IT ALL) With What We Got.
We Will Win With What We Got.
Yes, we will win the division and lose in the first round of playoffs. We need an ace and a stopper.
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