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Angels Leave First Place, Torii Hunter and Vlad Guerrero Hurting

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Rare Photographic Evidence of the existence of an Angels run!

Final Score in Adventureland: Rangers 800, Angels -1

Minus Vladimir Guerrero (listed as day-to-day with a sore knee muscle) and Torii Hunter (out indefinitely with a nagging groin injury), the Angels did not look like a first place club and, on cue, they fell out of first place Wednesday night. A feeble Angels offense and terrible pitching combined to hand the division lead to Vicente Padilla and the Texas Rangers. Texas looked good stacked up against Anaheim's AAA lineup and slapped around the AA display of pitching. Knowing Texas has a tougher 2nd half schedule than any other team and certain that they cannot reproduce these same results against major league clubs, Angels fans can wait and hope.

But it has been a terrible short stretch for the Los Angeles of Disneyland crew... Howie Kendrick can't hit, Torii Hunter is an All Star injury, Vladimir Guerrero is running out of gas on the highway to Cooperstown, John Lackey imploded with a 3-run lead and almost a 5-inning shutout, Ervin Santana has nothing in his arm besides a $30 Million check from Arte Moreno and Chone Figgins is suddenly the little spark plug more in need of a tune up than an All Star Game appearance.

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Ervin Santana
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I am the Iron Man

by 44FAN on Jul 8, 2009 10:03 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

So much for "steers and queers".

I would’ve gladly let Ervin “Magic” Johnson pitch instead!

by TheChaz on Jul 8, 2009 11:22 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

To hell with these pitchers.

On their way to totally clusterfucking the past two games, they completely tank my pickage in terms of total K’s per game. They cannot even get that right. The first game begins as it should with Lackey picking up 6 of the necessary 8 K’s only 2/3’s of the way through the 5th. They then manage to pull out only 1 more K through the last 26 Texas batters. 1 friggin’ K in 26 AB’s. 1. One.

Tonight, with Santana pitching and offering up so much suckage as of late, I guessed that there was no way they would get this same hot-hitting team to slip into 8 K’s. No way. Sure enough, Santana gives us this reeking train-wreck of a 3rd inning:
Double
wild pitch
wild pitch
home run
walk
(2 runs surrendered)
But, of course, he interleaves 3 K’s into that disaster. And that helps, because the halo staff limps along and slowly adds to the K total right up until the 9th, when Jason Bulger steps in and K’s not 1, but 2(!) straight batters!!! And who were these two victims? None other than Andru Jones, who had 3 HR’s in the game to that point, going 3 for 4 with 4 RBI’s, and Hank Blalock who had been 2 for 2 with 2 BB’s. Sure. Strike THOSE guys out.

The pitchers screwed two games. Screwed two stadia full of fans. Screwed up a one game lead in the division. And screwed me outta 2 pickage points.

It’s enough to piss a guy off. To hell with them.

We don't have a Bullpen. We have a Cowpen. Before we get to call it a Bullpen these guys gotta grow a pair.

by Stirrups on Jul 8, 2009 10:14 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

it's only 2 games

jeez I go to Vegas for 2 days and the team falls apart.

by Fred Fredrix on Jul 8, 2009 10:44 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Ok so I only watched the game in about 45 minutes on my DVR when I got back

but can someone explain some things.

Why did it take Jeff Mathis seeing THREE Andruw Jones homeruns to realize that Jones can’t hit breaking balls nearly as well? Did you see how much he missed that off speed pitch he struck out on by Bulger?

Also I don’t understand that if Howie Kendrick is our DH and we have a starting pitcher who is 7-1 coming out of the bullpen who thew 2 shutout innings, then why are we not focused on getting another bat or two instead of a pitcher.

Is Napoli hurt too? Or did Soth just think that starting a guy with an average now UNDER 200 was a good idea when he has Vlad and Torii both out against the team you are tied for first with.

Why is Santana pitching when all he’s done is dominate a bunch of 17 year olds in a rehab assignment? Palmer and O’Sullivan are a combined 9-1 yet sit in favor of Santana? I’d like to say I have faith in Soth to make the tough decisions, but I know Santana will get the ball every fifth day until his arm falls off.

by MH252525 on Jul 8, 2009 10:45 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

What the hell was up with that lineup?

This was arguably the 1st truly important game of the season, so we catch Mathis, put Kendrick in at DH and bench Napoli? Grrrr!

And I am so tired of Santana refusing to pitch to Napoli. Why does Santana get to tell Scioscia what to do? I say, until he can prove he can still pitch at all, he should throw to whoever Scioscia says he’s throwing to. With two big power threats out of the lineup in Vlad and Hunter, it should’ve been a no-brainer to put Napoli.

Mathis should be nothing more than a true backup catcher. It is outrageous that he only has 68 fewer AB’s than Napoli.

Keep those hammies limber, boys.

by Rally Manatee on Jul 8, 2009 10:46 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Worst loss of the season to date

Ervin Santana should not be pitching in the majors right now. The starting pitching has been terrible lately and if we don’t get some help before the deadline, the Arlington Douchebags are gonna take this division.

Jered Weaver is the ONLY dependable starter we have at the moment. The ONLY ONE because everytime Saunders, Santana, Lackey, and Palmer have gone out they have been mediocre or terrible. The offense has to score at least 5 runs every night to secure a victory.

I think it’s time to make a move because this pitching staff isn’t going to cut it.

NA 34

by blochead on Jul 8, 2009 11:01 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Sosh's logic has been faulty to say the least

How do you give your team a chance to win be starting Howied instead of Napoli, not to mention his desire to allow the starters to get shallacked constantly? I’m tired of watching Howie and Quinlan start, if it’s offense we need then let’s call up Wood!

Let the Halo power flow!

by HALO N BRIMSTONE on Jul 8, 2009 11:06 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I am wondering what is going through the minds of Sosh and Butcher when it comes to sending Santana to the mound.

They are a hell of lot more capable of understanding pitchers than we mere bloggers. And they are a hell of a lot better informed about Santana’s health and curent skill set than we are. So what is it that convinces them that sending Santana out there is a good idea, when what we see seems so obviously counter to any reasonable objectives they should have?

We don't have a Bullpen. We have a Cowpen. Before we get to call it a Bullpen these guys gotta grow a pair.

by Stirrups on Jul 8, 2009 11:28 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Palmer. O'Sullivan.

hell, for all we know Santana ain’t any healthier than Loux…

We don't have a Bullpen. We have a Cowpen. Before we get to call it a Bullpen these guys gotta grow a pair.

by Stirrups on Jul 9, 2009 12:56 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions   0 recs

Which goes back to my original question.

What is going on in the minds of Sosh and Butcher? Do they REALLY have professional super powers and see something in Santana that gives them more hope than what they could get out of the available alternatives? Is that what they are REALLY thinking on Santana start days? Really?

‘cuz I don’t know about you, but I have zero faith that Santana will make it out of the 3rd in any start these days. Anything beyond the 3rd is gravy in my book.

We don't have a Bullpen. We have a Cowpen. Before we get to call it a Bullpen these guys gotta grow a pair.

by Stirrups on Jul 9, 2009 1:21 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

When I read the postgame reports...

Sosh and Butch keep saying that they are seeing improvement in his locating and velocity. The problem with that though is that we are smack dab in the middle of hotly contested divisional race, not just with Texas, but Seattle is also right there not to far behind. This team does not have the luxury of him finding his way at the big league level (and 45 pitches in AZL isn’t gonna cut it). Send him to Rancho or Arkansas or SLC and get him throwing with consistancy beyond 90 pitches, then when he has locked that down, give him a couple more starts to show he can maintain, then bring him up.

Because like you said stirrups, I have zero confidence when Ervin gets the ball.

Phys: Well, Coon doesn't have a lot of power but he's a good bunter
Coon: F$%# That!
Thanks Zu

by halofan4life on Jul 9, 2009 2:01 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

You ask a great question

At least, it’s the question I’ve asked myself a great deal since Scioscia took over. Obviously, he knows infinitely more about baseball than I do, and I have absolutely no standing to question any of his moves. Nevertheless, there are times when he makes moves that seem self-evidently foolish, and they usually turn out as badly as I expected. At times like these, I’d love to be able to know what his reasoning was, just so I could know more about the game.

by rspencer on Jul 9, 2009 1:21 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Where's Dave Smith?

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Dave Smith was the reason I listened to KLAA, Roger Lodge is a twit!

by TheChaz on Jul 8, 2009 11:17 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

According to LARadio.com

Dave Smith was let go for “budgetary reasons.” I agree that the Sports Lodge stinks without Smith.

by rspencer on Jul 9, 2009 1:22 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Big Mistake Arte

How many more mistakes will you tolerate with the Angels franchise this year buddy?

by TheChaz on Jul 9, 2009 9:15 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

This was an ugly one

But I hope it’s a mistake that can be learned from. A few things looked pretty clear tonight:

1. Ervin Santana is not capable of pitching right now, and it doesn’t seem like any amount of rehab is going to fix it. I’m still betting he has Tommy John before the year is out.
2. Howie Kendrick has nothing to offer the team this year. The obvious move is to send him back to Salt Lake, move Figgins to second, and bring Wood in to play third.
3. Jeff Mathis is a hitting catcher who can’t hit. What is his purpose in life?
4. Only 1 to 1.5 more years before Matthews gets released…

The Angels pitching staff is one of the worst in the league right now. I keep thinking it has to turn around, they’ve underperformed for too long. I really hope things change soon.

by Suboptimal on Jul 8, 2009 11:18 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

"Jeff Mathis is a hitting catcher"

When did I miss THAT memo?

We don't have a Bullpen. We have a Cowpen. Before we get to call it a Bullpen these guys gotta grow a pair.

by Stirrups on Jul 8, 2009 11:25 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Matthews signing...

almost as bad as Mo Vaughns signing

Please get rid of Speier and Aybar. And Jepsen. R.I.P. Nick Adenhart, Marquis Cooper, Steve McNair

by JoseGuillenSux on Jul 8, 2009 11:28 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Howie needs to be sent back down

Santana as well. I don’t know if it’s confidence or inability or suckage or whatever. It’s just not working right now. Both are a liability right now and need to find “it” before they get back.,

RIP #34

by linkbruin on Jul 9, 2009 1:07 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

he needs psychiatric counseling.

I love this team.

by Downing Rules on Jul 9, 2009 11:05 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Halladay is looking like a necessity right about now,

but if we have to give up Weaver, there’s no point. If Toronto asks for our only decent starter, it aint gonna help much to have Halladay this year. He’d still be followed by 4 mediocre to awful pitchers in the rotation. If we can keep Weaver and still get Halladay somehow, it might be worth it. That would mean most likely giving up Walden and Bell, plus a slew of position players, but it might translate into a playoff spot (and hopefully a ring). Hmm.

Keep those hammies limber, boys.

by Rally Manatee on Jul 9, 2009 1:51 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Trade em all for pitching

Trade the short, trade the small, trade the big, trade the tall, trade em, trade em all.

Angel Pitching, Angel Defense - get past that.

by vladtheimpaler on Jul 9, 2009 2:09 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Trade the yay-hoos, trade the boo-hoos, trade the can’t do’s, and the pity-the-fools. Put them all in a package for one, “I do’s it all.”

I am the Iron Man

by 44FAN on Jul 9, 2009 2:47 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Your slow

Angel Pitching, Angel Defense - get past that.

by vladtheimpaler on Jul 9, 2009 2:48 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

you are

Angel Pitching, Angel Defense - get past that.

by vladtheimpaler on Jul 9, 2009 2:50 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

no mess

I am the Iron Man

by 44FAN on Jul 9, 2009 2:56 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Happy face

:)

Angel Pitching, Angel Defense - get past that.

by vladtheimpaler on Jul 9, 2009 3:01 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

His slow what?

Angels fan since '67

by red floyd on Jul 9, 2009 8:17 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Santana:

They don’t see you as I do. I wish they would try to. I’m sure they’d think again, if they had a friend like Santana. Blah, blah.

Pitching, pitching, My Kingdom for some pitching.

Angel Pitching, Angel Defense - get past that.

by vladtheimpaler on Jul 9, 2009 2:00 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Sore losers?

If we were sore losers, we’d be talking about how much we hate TX, not about how we can improve our own team. That actually makes us good losers. We are trying to figure out how to learn from our mistakes.

If we were sore losers we’d be saying mean stuff about Hick’s hicks, the dimwitted Friday Night Light rejects, the insecure, sore-winner lurks, who gloat and put others down to make themselves feel better…

…but we’re not.

Keep those hammies limber, boys.

by Rally Manatee on Jul 9, 2009 12:53 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Santana=Guaranteed loss at this point

Obviously he isn’t healthy and needs to be shut down.

I am starting to fear that this injury of his is going to ruin his career and turn him into nothing more than 5th starter at best. Hope I am just panicking a bit too much.

RIP Nick Adenhart

by stolenbases on Jul 9, 2009 6:10 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Santana

The medical procedures for elbow injuries have progressed to the degree that they are not guaranteed career ending if TJ surgery is needed. My hope is that if the surgery is best for his career, he just should get on with it and stop trying to heal it with rest.

The pitcher that probably is done is Escobar. Shoulder reconstruction is very difficult to come back from.

As for Loux and Palmer, we’ve ridden them as long as we can. Honestly, the return on them has been excellent….but it’s unlikely to continue. If the goal is to contend for a World Championship in 2009, the team really needs to make some moves. Otherwise, we’re really playing for 2010 and 2011.

by mustard_man on Jul 9, 2009 6:29 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Is starting WTY 4 more times a week an option?

What do you need a fancy suit for, Charlie, you ain't got no job to wear it to.

by clover_black on Jul 9, 2009 8:06 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

“Weaver and 4-days of relievers”

and ode to “Tanana and Ryan and 3-days of cryin”

I love this team.

by Downing Rules on Jul 9, 2009 11:07 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Does Figgins need a "tune up"?

I know he’s the Rev’s least favorite player, but he was on base seven times in the three game Texas series, and has a .452 OBP over the past seven games.

Seems an odd nit to pick, given the other problems at the moment.

by Turks Teeth on Jul 9, 2009 10:14 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

single … single … single… single … c’mon

by Rev Halofan on Jul 9, 2009 11:52 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Maybe so...

But is there was ever a place for a singles happy slap hitter, its at the top of lineup Rev. Figgy is doing his job.

Phys: Well, Coon doesn't have a lot of power but he's a good bunter
Coon: F$%# That!
Thanks Zu

by halofan4life on Jul 9, 2009 2:06 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Santan is the BOG

Howie needs to go back to SLC he sucks right now.

Play Wood already. Willits sucks.

by hauldog on Jul 9, 2009 5:48 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Why won’t this post clear the “4 new” ?

I love this team.

by Downing Rules on Jul 10, 2009 1:19 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

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