This Year's Angels Deeper Than Last Year's? (Revised)
Sure the 2008 LA Angels of Anaheim finished with 100 wins.
Sure they won yet another AL West title finishing a whopping 21 games ahead of the second place Rangers.
Sure we made a blockbuster trade landing us All-Star first baseman Mark Teixeira for the last few months of the season (and boy did he make a difference).
Sure last year we still had one of our greatest closers in the history of the Angels, Fransisco "K-Rod" Rodriguez who set a major league record with an astonishing 62 saves.
Sure this year Teixeira, K-Rod, Garret Anderson, Jon Garland, and the recently released Justin Speier are no longer Halos.
Sure the Halos have been plagued by injuries to their three biggest bats (Vlad Guerrero, Torii Hunter, and Juan Rivera) and numerous pitchers (Lackey, Escobar, who has still not returned, Saunders, Santana, etc.).
Sure we've had to put rookie after rookie on the mound on a nightly basis (who had ever heard of Sean O'Sullivan, Matt Palmer, Jason Bulger, Trevor Bell, Kevin Jepsen, Shane Loux, and company before this year?).
Sure Big Daddy Vladdy is in the worst shape of his career.
And sure the 2009 season started on an awful note after the death of a Halos fan on Opening Night at Angel Stadium and Nick Adenhart being killed a few days later.
But despite all these things, I strongly believe that our Angels this year are much deeper. Why you ask? To start us off, the Angels lead the league in batting average after only batting a mediocre .268 all of last year ("good" enough for 7th place in the AL alone). This year they lead the league in BA. Look at their stats. All of them (except for maybe one or two hovering just below it) are batting .300+. Even Mike Scioscia admitted to being impressed by that. Heck the only ones batting below the .300 line are the bench/utility guys who don't play every day (Willits, Matthews Jr., Kendrick, Mathis, Quinlan, Wood, etc.).
Onto pitching. All of our starting five (Lackey, Weaver, Saunders, Santana, and Palmer, O'Sullivan, and Trevor Bell taking turns in the 5th slot) have winning records.
Moving along now to our replacements. We have seen the breakout of a future All-Star in Kendry Morales who replaced Tex. Look at his stats he is batting over .300 and is leading the club in slugging %, home runs, and RBIs. I think he is a more than adequate replacement for Mark Teixeira.
Now to Brian Fuentes, K-Rod's replacement. He is 2nd in the league in saves with 35 (one beind Mariano Rivera and 8 ahead of K-Rod). While nothing close to K-Rod's performance last year, it definitely gets the job done.
Over to Bobby Abreu, the world's most patient hitter, who replaced Garret Anderson. He is second on the team in RBIs, is batting over .300, and is a stolen base threat. A lot better than the slow and double play prone Garret. Remember, I am talking about the 08 Anderson vs. the 09 Abreu. GA is one of the greatest Angels of all time but Abreu has a higher BA, Slugging %, and OBP as well as more swiped bags, BBs, and HRs and equal RBIs through 117 games played than Anderson had all season last year (he played 145 games).
Finally, Garland's replacement in the rotation, Matt Palmer. Palmer has gone 9-1 while Garland has cleared waivers for the cellar-dwelling D-Backs. I consider Palmer to be Garland's replacement because he has started more games and won more games than anyone other than Lackey, Saunders, Santana, and Weaver (O'Sullivan, Bell, Loux and Co. included).
And the defense. The entire infield is capable of winning a Gold Glove. The Angels are one of the league's best in fielding %. From Figgins with his rocket arm at the hot corner to Erick Aybar with his throws from the left field grass (who by the way leads the Angels in BA) to Izturis at 2nd base stopping any ball that goes up the middle or through the right side to Kendry Morales with his masterful scoops at first base (who leads the Angels with a .994 fielding % good enough for 14th in the entire league). Add those four to Torii Hunter over in center (always a Gold Glove candidate and winner of 8 straight) and the Halos could be hauling in numerous Gold Gloves at season's end.
The 2009 Angels are also faster (at least five players have swiped at least ten bags with two, Figgins and Abreu, over the 25 mark). Their bats are also better as six are in double figures in HRs and nine have at least 40 RBIs with about 40+ games remaining.
I have to admit, the 2008 Angels were damn good. This years' Angels are just better. And what will seal the deal in the debate that this years squad is better? If they at least make it past the ALDS (something they could not do last year).
This Fan-Post is authored by an independent fan. Tell us what you think and how you feel.
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You should give some serious consideration to paragraphs
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by Zoe Necrosis on Aug 24, 2009 12:27 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Yes.
That’s exactly what i thought. But not even close to one of the worst FanPosts
W6G
by Figgi4life on Aug 24, 2009 12:38 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Fixed it
Sure, I made a few paragrpah breaks.
Sure it was ell-written without them but this kinda makes the FanPost better.
by Rev Halofan on Aug 24, 2009 12:42 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
This post reminded me that
I have ADD (I can barely sit through Matt Welch’s posts and those are literature). But the point is well thought out and I agree with it.
I must not fear. Fear is the mind-killer.
by Moondoggy on Aug 24, 2009 1:17 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
So...
you hated it and it was good?
W6G
by Figgi4life on Aug 24, 2009 1:27 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
no it was good
but painful to read all the way through
I must not fear. Fear is the mind-killer.
by Moondoggy on Aug 24, 2009 3:50 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Better but not deeper
I think that we are better than last year’s team, especially on offense, but last year’s rotation and bullpen were much deeper than what we have now. We started games with Lackey, Santana, Saunders, Weaver, and Garland, and finished them with Frankie, Shields, Dondo, Oliver, O’Day, and Speier. Our reserves included Loux, Adenhart, Moseley, Jepsen, Bulger, and Bootcheck. Honestly, what we have on the mound right now does not compare.
by Brody on Aug 24, 2009 1:38 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Worse on the hil...
but better offensively.
Meh, it’s probably a push since we give up a lot pitching-wise, but are better offensively due to the “Abreu effect.”
I love this team.
by Downing Rules on Aug 24, 2009 1:59 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Agreed.
Offense is better and deeper. Pitching is paper thin for s many reasons (Adenhart’s death, Shields season-ending injury, Arredondo’s inconsistency, Escbar’s inability to recover, Speier’s overall difficulties, and other injuries at various times to Moseley, Lackey, Oliver, and Saunders).
It’s remarkable that we have been able hang in as well as we have, and maintain somewhere near a 5 game lead.
by sothball on Aug 24, 2009 2:49 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
One could argue that the start-of-season pitching depth was pretty good
Considering we’ve gotten this far with so much misfortune.
by rspencer on Aug 25, 2009 3:09 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I like watching the team better this year..Miss the ’real" Vlad but otherwise it has been awesome..
Abreu and Figgins are out there mind good,and Morales and Rivera have been great surprises,though I had great faith in Juan as he hit the ball HARD last year late..
Let us hope for a good playoff run,no week off before the big show and that everyone has there timing down when game 1 roles around !
by raven191 on Aug 24, 2009 2:36 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I don't know that I would equate batting average with depth entirely.
It is certainly a part of what you would use to evaluate depth but not all of it. With the injuries we have had this year and last and over all performance I would say the team is as deep as last year, not deeper. Maintaining depth is the one thing Soth talks as much about as anything in interviews so the level of depth on the team can always be expected as high level.
I like how you glossed over the pitching depth category but you are not persuading me there, saying Palmer is our fifth starter tells me you did not do your homework.
I agree with you on Abreu, Fuentes, and Morales. They are actually improvements over what we had last year in those positions in my opinion for what they add in team chemistry (besides actual player performance being equal or better) which I think is important to make a team gel.
Hey la, hey, Halo...
by 44FAN on Aug 24, 2009 4:24 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Reality check
I appreciate the enthusiasm, but…
1) Garland wasn’t released by the Diamonbacks. In fact, he pitched for them in yesterday’s game. He reportedly cleared waivers but that isn’t a release. That simply facilitates a trade if another team wishes to make one.
2) Our entire infield ISN’T capable of winning Gold Gloves this season. Aybar plays like a man who deserves it, and Figgins continues to elevate his defensive game, but Kendrick has a ways to go and Morales even further.
by George Kaplan on Aug 24, 2009 5:49 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Abreu strikes out more than G.A.
just sayin’ is all.
by Caseys Kiss of Death on Aug 24, 2009 8:44 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Big effin' deal...
Don’t EVEN come in here intimating that Abreu is less than GA in any way whatsoever (except for running towards the wall???).
GA is done, done, done. Abreu is still a very valuable player on the 2nd best team in the AL.
just sayin’ is all….
RIP Nick...
Jim Scully
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by jimmuscomp on Aug 24, 2009 10:23 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Uh
there was no implication made whatsoever, in any which-way that G.A. was, at this stage in his career, better than Abreu.
The original poster called Abreu better than G.A. because, amongst other things, G.A. was always had a big ‘potential to strike out.’
Of all the things you could say about G.A. in his career…every last possible insult you could hurl at him…somewhere near the BOTTOM of the list was his potential to strikeout. In fact, as far as hitters of his mold go, he struck out very INFREQUENTLY. 100 times (exactly) only once in his career. Abreu averages a K 40% more often. Rather substantial.
If someone’s gonna make a highly generalized, sweeping not very detail-oriented examination of why 09 Angels > 08 Angels, then the few details they’re actually gonna use might as well be accurate, and not flat-out wrong.
by Caseys Kiss of Death on Aug 24, 2009 11:05 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
If GA weren't so lazy...
He’d have struck out more. But was too lazy to take more pitches.
by BruinHalo on Aug 24, 2009 11:36 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
Okay, that makes no sense. If GA were truly that lazy, he would have never swung the bat at all. Man was a solid extra base hit machine. No Don Baylor mind you, but Groove was the BOMB!
by Baylorsgroove on Aug 25, 2009 1:02 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Fail
Peanuts...Get your Overpriced Peanuts!
by Angel Hawker on Aug 25, 2009 4:34 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It seems like you've never really been a GA fan
RIP #34
by linkbruin on Aug 25, 2009 12:25 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Abreu WALKS more than G.A.
While a staunch GA-fanboy myself, I cannot help but look at that low BB-rate that has always been a negative part of GA’s game.
I love this team.
by Downing Rules on Aug 25, 2009 8:42 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe Abreu wouldve changed hi
W6G
by Figgi4life on Aug 25, 2009 9:24 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
Yes he does
but read past that to see why I made the post I made in the first place. It wasn’t to boast of one player’s superiority.
by Caseys Kiss of Death on Aug 25, 2009 9:40 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I saw that after I posted. Good point on your end.
I love this team.
by Downing Rules on Aug 25, 2009 10:24 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
NO!
When you are having to rely on the Independant leagues to fill out your pitching staff, you are nowhere near deep enough.
Offensively we’ve been deeper because the bench players have stayed healthy and we have not had to dip into the minors for bench.
Overall we are very shallow, and it stems from injuries and lack of foresight in minors pitching depth.
by Baylorsgroove on Aug 26, 2009 11:14 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
OK, I'll bite
Whom did we sign from the “Independant” leagues?
"He's not a Rhodes Scholar to begin with''~Theo Epstein, talking about Papelbon
by George Kaplan on Aug 27, 2009 7:52 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think Shane Loux was playing independant league in Phoenix before he tried out for the Angels.
Hey la, hey, Halo...
by 44FAN on Aug 27, 2009 10:28 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
If so, it was in 2007
He was in SLC in 2008, and in Omaha in 2006.
"He's not a Rhodes Scholar to begin with''~Theo Epstein, talking about Papelbon
by George Kaplan on Aug 27, 2009 1:15 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
ANGELS
I COMPLETELY AGREE—THE 2009 AMGELS ARE BETTER THAN LAST YEAR AND NOW WE HAVE KAZMIR ( VERY VERY GOOD) THE ANGEL CAN TILL WIN 100 GAME AND THEY WILL GET TO THE WORLD SIERRIES AND WILL BEAT ANY NL TEAM THAT THEY PLAY -AND I HOPE IT IS THE DODGERS!!!!! GO ANGELS
by spc7@verizon.net on Sep 7, 2009 6:28 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
ANDERSON
I ALWAYS LIKED GARRET ONE OF THE BEST ANGELS EVER—HE IS DOING FINE WITH THE BRAVES AND LIKE IT OR NOT WE ARE FAR BETTER OFF WITH BOBBY
by spc7@verizon.net on Sep 7, 2009 6:31 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

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