Scott Kazmir Traded to Angels for Alex Torres and Matt Sweeney
by rghan on Aug 28, 2009 1:27 PM PDT
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PrintPitcher Scott Kazmir has been traded to the Angels. The Rays are receiving minor league pitcher Alex Torres and minor league power hitter Matt Sweeney. The deal will be announced after the Rays game in Detroit tonight. UPDATE: As we reported, the deal was announced on the Rays postgame show. Tampa Bay also get a player to be named later.
Kazmir is 8 and 7 with an underwhelming 5.92 ERA over 111 innings this year. He has a 5.10 ERA in August, though he has K'd 29 in his last 30 innings and made it through the 6th inning in 8 of his last 10 starts. He completed the seventh only twice in that time. High pitch counts and flyballs are his weak points. Interestingly, the Halos very nearly drafted Kazmir out of high school in the first round of the 2002 draft, but ultimately selected college star Joe Saunders instead because he was closer to the majors. The two would now be rotation mates.
Matt Sweeney is one of the few legitimate Halos' power prospects, putting up a .299/.379/.517 line with 9 homeruns in 211 High A at-bats this season. He missed most of the past two months with a chipped hip bone, and lost all of last season to ligament damage and bone chips in his ankle. The twenty-one-year-old's ceiling at the plate remains quite high - think Aubrey Huff in a good year - and he was reportedly making strides with his third base defense before the June injury, though he may eventually have to move to first.
Twenty-one year old Alex Torres has been a revelation since joining the Quakes last year. In a pair of half seasons at High A, Torres went 13 and 5 with a 3.12 ERA and 186 strikeouts over 173.1 innings. Since his promotion to AA in late July, he's gone 3 and 1 with a 2.77 ERA and 25 strikeouts in 26 innings. He's made it through the sixth inning twice in five tries with the Travelers. Like Kazmir, he racks up K's but struggles to go deep in games due to high pitch counts. Unlike Kazmir, he records most of his other outs on the ground, instead of in the air.
My gut reaction: Kazmir will probably perform closer to his career numbers in the months ahead, but he's hit 200 innings only once in five full seasons and has never shown the kind of durability and efficiency necessary to hold down a place at the front of a rotation. Moreover, he's a significant risk for the kind of catastrophic injury that makes his contract an albatross over the next two years. It's true that if Torres reaches his ceiling, he wouldn't be much better than Kazmir is now, but Sweeney has a shot at becoming a major league regular with 30 HR power, high average, and good OBP.
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I've said it before
I think his pitch count problems could expose our bullpen
"Figgins' OBP is still over 40!" -Steve Physioc
by Figgi4life on Aug 28, 2009 1:03 PM PDT via mobile reply actions
Kazmir makes a good #5
I mean, can it get any worse? I still think Palmer should have gotten another shot at it though.
by Lompoc Angel Fan on Aug 28, 2009 1:05 PM PDT reply actions
I was thinking the same thing
I heard the report on Fox Sports Radio.
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This seems a bit like desperation...
…although there don’t seem to be better options besides Palmer, and Scioscia wants Palmer in the pen forl ong relief.
Why would Tampa Bay trade away a starter when they are in the thick of the wild card race? What do they know that isn’t being said? He’s only 25 years old. Makes me wonder…
Salary dump
See below. I don’t think this is a reflection on Kazmir, just an attempt to open up some room on the payroll for free agent season soon.
"He's not a Rhodes Scholar to begin with''~Theo Epstein, talking about Papelbon
by George Kaplan on Aug 28, 2009 1:30 PM PDT up reply actions
I could understand that explanation if they were ...
…out of the race. But they are still within reach of the wild card. They’re only 3 1/2 games behind Boston. If he’s healthy, they appear to be folding their cards awful early…or so I would read it as a fan of the Rays.
http://mlb.mlb.com/team/player.jsp?player_id=431148
He’s had good stats…he’s just been pretty bad this year. I think its a good move though
He's been solid against 3 potential playoff teams
new york ( 2-0, 2.63 era, .88 whip, 220 baa) both starts in tampa
boston ( 2-0, 3.27 era, 1.73 whip, .289 baa) both starts at fenway, crappy whip but still 2 wins in fenway
texas ( 1-1, 2.92 era, 1.05 whip, .208 baa) 1 home 1 away game, 1 run over 5 innings in arlington
by Quinlan's Goofy Swing on Aug 28, 2009 1:15 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
I've been a fan of this move since the rumors started popping up in July
What are the spects we’re giving up like?
We need somebody from somewhere now with MLB record and experience.
I like him over Garland anyway. He will do. Who knows take him out of that stinky artificial stadium he plays in and put him outdoors on real grass in the fresh air (cough, cough) and sunshine and he will probably be even better.
Hey la, hey, Halo...
I like this move...
I think under Mike Butcher, Kazmir could be better.
And it’s totally Ninja style In the name of Del Taco, make it happen!
W6G!
The first Ninja thing he did all year
Unless you count getting Abreu for next to nothing.
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Quioted from EaSsPeeiN
Kazmir has struggled to a 5.92 ERA this season, but five of his last six starts have been “quality starts.” He would likely pitch out of the bullpen for the remainder of the season in Los Angeles.
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Don't trust anything ESPN says
We all know he’ll start. Dumbasses!
W6G!
by Monkeyspanked on Aug 28, 2009 1:26 PM PDT up reply actions
No kidding.
I’m sure Soth would start him and use Bell/SOS/Palmer/Whoever out of the pen more likely!
W6G!
by Monkeyspanked on Aug 28, 2009 1:28 PM PDT up reply actions
Positives versus negatives
On the plus side
Career ERA of <4
Career average >9k per 9
Much stronger over the last month – his current ERA may be misleading
At the risk of stating the obvious, we need a 5th starter desperately
Not giving up any of the high end starting pitching prospects
On the red side of the ledger
Poor ERA this year
Only pitcher >200 IP once in his career
Sweeney and Torres (in particular) have some promise
Poor control and failure to pitch deep into games
All in all, I’d give this a thumbs up…
I see red people
If he's only slightly better than Palmer
He’s younger and has more success in the past. And who are we giving up? Alexander Torres and Matthew Sweeney, I’ve never heard of these players before.
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pay attention to the minors!
I’ve heard of both of them, especially Torres. But Torres is at least 2 years away from contributing at the big league level. He’s not Trevor Reckling, and may not be any better than Will Smith (who’s just a bit behind him on the development curve). Probably a fair price, IF Kazmir is healthy. I’m not sure about that elbow.
Ok that's fair.
But with our over crowded infield… how soon does Sweeney make it to 1B, blocked by Kendry. Or 3B blocked by Figgins/Wood? Is he better than either of those two options? Probably not.
And losing Torres might hurt us, especially as wildly spread we used our minor league pitching staff this year. But I’d gladly take Kazmir and his paper thin elbow over Torres who is completely unproven in MLB, let a long AAA.
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I was just saying
that there has been buzz about both of these guys. But I agree that they are expendable. Both are a few years away. Sweeney’s hardly a can’t-miss guy, and I don’t think anyone has Torres pegged as a #1 or #2. I agree that it’s a worthwhile deal (I’d have a different feeling if Reckling were involved).
A moot point, in any event, as it appears that the deal is dead.
The Angels hate injury prone minor leaguers
Like Dallas McPherson. It’s their organizational policy to downgrade big talent players who are injury prone. The notion of “if they would only stay healthy” is not a recipe for success.
I’m sure if Sweeney doesn’t have injuries in the past he’s not on the trading block.
They hated McPherson
I thought they let Glaus walk & handed McPherson the job.
R.I.P. King Ad-Rock #34
Salary dump
It isn’t a negative reflection on Kazmir. He’s owed $22.5M if his 2012 option isn’t picked up, and $33.5 if it is. He’s still young and resilient, but I am sure the Rays are looking for ways to trim the budget, perhaps to make a signing in the offseason.
I can’t complain about it, nor about the rumored cost in players.
"He's not a Rhodes Scholar to begin with''~Theo Epstein, talking about Papelbon
how long....
is Kazmir under contract for? I think it’s a great move actually. I live near NY, and people here always complain about the Mets giving him away.
that is because mets fans are complainers
The Mets would be no different if they had never traded Kazmir, he is far far far from a difference maker.
Team option in 2012
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by vlad IS my man on Aug 28, 2009 1:32 PM PDT up reply actions
Throwing the jockniffers a bone
this move is SO stupid that I don’t even have words for it. Kazmir is an injury waiting to happen and is always too close to the gascan for comfort.
I dunno
The Rays fans don’t seem very happy with the idea of trading Kazmir.
Take their opinions any way you wish, but the tone isn’t a happy one.
"He's not a Rhodes Scholar to begin with''~Theo Epstein, talking about Papelbon
by George Kaplan on Aug 28, 2009 1:32 PM PDT up reply actions
lol.
My favorite quote so far
We are the Marlins North
by sternfan1 on Aug 28, 2009 4:05 PM EDT reply reply actions actions 0 recs
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the same guy spammed
RAYS 2015
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by vlad IS my man on Aug 28, 2009 1:35 PM PDT up reply actions
Please do not let him speak for us.
He’s a massive troll.
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The guy's only been injured twice in the last few yrs....
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by vlad IS my man on Aug 28, 2009 1:37 PM PDT up reply actions
How is it stupid?
Giving up two guys who probably won’t do anything in the majors for a guy that’s a clear upgrade over the fifth starters we’ve been throwing out there seems like a good move to me.
Reagins may have given up a little more than he should have, but this certainly makes the team better right now.
I feel the need, the need...for speed!
but in the last 3 starts
he’s had a 3.20 ERA
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by vlad IS my man on Aug 28, 2009 1:55 PM PDT up reply actions
How is he not an upgrade
over Bell and SOS? You’re telling me that if you had the option, you’d rather pitch Trevor Bell tonight than Scott Kazmir? Not a chance.
I feel the need, the need...for speed!
NO
Because if we “get” Kazmir he is essentially then a part of “what we got.” ;)
I love this team.
by Downing Rules on Aug 28, 2009 2:27 PM PDT up reply actions
Is that the official Czech Republic newspaper?
;)
I love this team.
by Downing Rules on Aug 28, 2009 2:27 PM PDT up reply actions
They already sent Rodriguez down
They are supposed to give Bell another Shot… what’s up with Loux, is he still around?
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Greta name for DFA's...
Speierville…ha!
Loux “…yeah…I just moved to Speierville…the OC was just too harsh…”.
I didn't hear that.
Hmm… I guess you send Bell down and bring him up when you expand the roster?
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Have to applaud the risk....
Only 25 years old (turns 26 in January)… locked up through 2011 (and maybe ‘12 if they pick up the option)… He can help them win now and that’s what this is all about
Hard to complain
Torres and Sweeney both have interesting futures, but Kazmir is still only 25 and he’s signed to a below-market contract through 2011, with an option on 2012. This could be a remarkable deal for the Angels; if Kazmir had been healthy this year he might have been the high-excitement trade possibility of the off-season, the kind of player who costs three or four quality prospects to acquire. That’s a big if of course, but he’s still yet to hit his prime, it’s too early to give up on him as just wasted potential.
By the way, how the hell did he clear waivers?
...
Exactly what I was thinking.
"Sometimes it looks bad and sometimes it doesn't, but I'm not going to stop swinging" - Vlad Guerrero
Maybe he didn't clear waivers
He was probably claimed by the Angels.
Bad Left Hook - The SB Nation boxing blog
"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
He is a traveler of both time and space, to be where he has been
Whatever dude.
by Mayheminthehood on Aug 28, 2009 1:40 PM PDT reply actions
My guess
Kazmir will be our best pitcher down the stretch and will start game 2 or 3 of the first round.
by Quinlan's Goofy Swing on Aug 28, 2009 1:47 PM PDT reply actions
which means his ERA could still hang around 5.00
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by ihearhowie2.0 on Aug 28, 2009 2:07 PM PDT up reply actions
Here's the thing
Kazmir’s not great. He’s not even good at this point. But he’s been about average the last three months and that’s certainly better than SOS and Bell have been. He also has the potential to pull out a great game every once in awhile.
His FIP is only in the 4.5 range, so he’s not as bad as his numbers look. It’s a good move simply because it’s an upgrade. The chances that Sweeney or Torres make a major league impact are slim to none.
I feel the need, the need...for speed!
They pulled the story from MLB.com
Wonder what that means…
The time is out of joint; oh cursed spite, that ever I was born to set it right.
by chairmanofthebar on Aug 28, 2009 1:49 PM PDT reply actions
lol
from mlbtraderumors.com……. " Marc Topkin reports that Kazmir remains in the Rays clubhouse. He hasn’t been told anything about a trade and actually thought the writers who asked him about it were kidding."
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Everything I have read says Sweeney won't last at third
Then there is this:
The Angels would be getting Kazmir at a time when he finally is on a roll, posting a 3.20 ERA in his last three starts — two against the Blue Jays, one against the Rangers
We could have used him in Toronto!.
Play Wood already. Willits sucks.
Sweeney's D was thoroughly panned prior to this season.
There had been reports this spring, however, that he had made great strides despite last year’s injury. His fielding % was only .908, but it was a small sample size.
Even if he did have to move to first he still has the bat to carry the position.
You have to give up something to get something.
Sweeney is blocked at first by Kendry
Play Wood already. Willits sucks.
And at 3B by Longoria
The Rays have no 1B prospect…until now. DUN DUN DUN.
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I agree
Kazmir is already a major league player – who knows if Sweeney and Torres ever make the transition successfully.
Where were these guys ranked on our top prospect lists?
Did BA have them in the top 20?
I feel the need, the need...for speed!
Sweeney missed all of '08
He would have been 20 in High A, competing with Trumbo and Conger for most moonshots. He had out-homered both of them at Cedar Rapids.
I like Kazmir
I also penciled him in for a poor year this season due to the WS hangover.
Torres walk rate is an abortion. I am not sure we will miss him.
Play Wood already. Willits sucks.
Unless Trumbo learns to take a walk
He’s not going to do anything at the major league level. He’ll be Dallas McPherson with less power.
I feel the need, the need...for speed!
Seriously?
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Seriously what?
You guys got Jackson for a bag of balls from the Dodgers
Play Wood already. Willits sucks.
I wasn't sure what Doyers meant.
I assumed, since Jackson was traded by the Rays this offseason, that it was some weird nickname for them.
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Nope. I have a lot of respect for the Rays
I was really bummed when they lost last year
Play Wood already. Willits sucks.
Got it.
I think its a pretty even deal overall. We don’t have the budget room yall do, so clearing Kaz out allows us to work a deal with Carl Crawford. In my mind, that’s the more imperative issue. Kaz is infuriating more than he’s brilliant these days.
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This trade deal is even on the front page of Lookout Landing now,
Matthew makes this remark even though the Mariners are and have been clearly out of the AL West race for some time. What does any move the Angels make affect the Mariners chances this season anyway.
I’ve thought about this for about a half hour now and I’m still not sure how I feel about the move as it relates to us.
Hey la, hey, Halo...
They aren't even in the same hemisphere as the Angels at this point.
Play Wood already. Willits sucks.
but if he sucks and we're saddled with another bad contract
it brings us closer to them
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by ihearhowie2.0 on Aug 28, 2009 2:08 PM PDT up reply actions
a la Bedard...
Woof. What a serious boat anchor that guy is.
I love this team.
by Downing Rules on Aug 28, 2009 2:36 PM PDT up reply actions
Yes, please
There was a time Kazmir was at the top of the AL. He’s still young. I don’t see either of those prospects making it to the bigs.
Unless he’s in the bullpen, in which case Rex has been sharing his stash with Tony.
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#34
Two of the Angels warmest (not hottest) prospects are not going to make it to the bigs? Hmm. Seems Tampa might be thinking they could be a good nucleus going forward. IMHO.
I love this team.
by Downing Rules on Aug 28, 2009 2:37 PM PDT up reply actions
Tampa already has a good nucleus
This was only about dumping salary and picking up some decent prospects in return. Neither one was in the Angels top 10 at the beginning of the year and probably still wouldn’t be.
I feel the need, the need...for speed!
A secondary nucleus that leads to Nuclear fusion and then they EXPLODE
in 2010?
I love this team.
by Downing Rules on Aug 28, 2009 2:44 PM PDT up reply actions
then why is escobar still on the DL?
They want power, We want respect...
by SenorChuckles on Aug 28, 2009 2:11 PM PDT up reply actions
Reattaching his shoulder takes time to heal
Hey – the docs at least got him throwing back in the low 90’s
yeah
and next year he’ll be throwing in the low 90’s for Kansas City.
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I will wipe a tear away
Every time Napoli goes deep hitting Escobar.
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Man you guys are cruel
Don't call me Desmond!
by highlandhalo on Aug 28, 2009 8:06 PM PDT up reply actions
i know :( i miss escy...
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by SenorChuckles on Aug 28, 2009 2:15 PM PDT up reply actions
All I know is the guy is 2-0 Against the Red Sox this year
And has a post season win over the Sox too, right?
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Weird
I don’t understand this.
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What don't you understand?
Do you think this is a bad move? The move is a salary dump to free up dollars for the Rays.
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Yep
Olney: “The Rays definitely would get salary relief in the deal. Tampa Bay is barreling toward a series of tough financial decisions because of its payroll restrictions, and the 25-year-old Kazmir is in the first year of a three-year, $28.5 million deal.”
Maybe I'm missing something...
Kazmir cleared waivers this month. Why didn’t Reagins just put a claim in?
That was a ninja trick.
If the Angels put in a claim, so does someone else to block the move. We aren’t giving up much to get a major league ready pitcher.
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That can't be it
For the waiver to even make it to the Angels, all the other teams with worse records had to pass.
That's the better question.
If this is true, why the hell did the Sux pass?
We don't have a Bullpen. We have a Cowpen. Before we get to call it a Bullpen these guys gotta grow a pair.
Phhffffft
That only makes sense if:
a) they have exhausted their stock of AA prospects, and
b) they believe – once again – that they are cursed.
We don't have a Bullpen. We have a Cowpen. Before we get to call it a Bullpen these guys gotta grow a pair.
sarcasm.
I knew penny would suck.
I did not have high hopes for Smoltz
Play Wood already. Willits sucks.
belief in curses = fellow sarcasm.
We don't have a Bullpen. We have a Cowpen. Before we get to call it a Bullpen these guys gotta grow a pair.
Risk
Because of the risk that Tampa says, OK, he’s yours. Perhaps the Red Sox didn’t want to make any more room on their 40-man roster?
They have this kid named Kotchman not doing much of anything for them.
We don't have a Bullpen. We have a Cowpen. Before we get to call it a Bullpen these guys gotta grow a pair.
Not Exactly
A whole bunch of teams can put in a claim. It’s just that when there are multiple claims, the record says who wins negotiating rights. But a player will be on waivers for a period of time, and teams are free to make claims at any point during that window. Teams make waiver claims not knowing if another team already has done so.
I think this is all Maddon's way of saying
Sorry about not playing Fuentes and Figgins in the All-Star Game.
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by Jay Cal on Aug 28, 2009 2:15 PM PDT reply actions 3 recs
LMAO
The time is out of joint; oh cursed spite, that ever I was born to set it right.
by chairmanofthebar on Aug 28, 2009 2:16 PM PDT up reply actions
+1 :)
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by SenorChuckles on Aug 28, 2009 2:18 PM PDT up reply actions
I'm ambivalent
I don’t understand why NOW. Yeah he’s turning it around a bit, but why, then, would the Rays give him up, esp. given that they’re not far out of the wildcard race?
On the other hand, I see in the comments over at MLBTR that Kazmir did well under Butcher and struggled when Butcher left, so maybe that’s it—maybe Reagins, Scioscia, Butcher, et al believe they’ll be able to nurture his renaissance into a top of the line starter for years to come. He also gives good depth to the rotation; it’s certainly better to have him on the mound than to keep trotting out Trevor Bell every 5 days and possibly ruin his development.
At best, Kazmir eats some innings and keeps the Halos in the race, and then provides some quality outings and experience during the playoffs. After all, he has tons of experience facing the Sux, so at least he helps overcome that particular hurdle (though I still don’t think pitching is the problem in that situation). At worst, Kazmir is mediocre and we’re able to include him in an offseason package for a Halladay—think about it, wouldn’t you rather give up a guy you had for a month and aren’t that attached to, than a Saunders or a Weaver? Or, at the least, adding Kazmir would make giving up Weaver or Saunders to get Halladay that much less painful. I don’t know. Perhaps if he turns it around here he also gets flipped for mid-to-high level prospects at some point, this offseason or next.
I don’t know. I don’t think this move was the best one to make, but given the circumstances I think it’s relatively low risk (if the Halos don’t like what they get, they release him in September and no other team in contention can add him to their playoff roster at that point, and he’s certainly not likely to take the team OUT of contention with his arm), and potentially decent reward. Better to have a young vet than a scared out of his wits rookie. I like where this could go!
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by Clutch on Aug 28, 2009 2:17 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
I would fall on the side of being in favor of this deal, but is it real?
We don't have a Bullpen. We have a Cowpen. Before we get to call it a Bullpen these guys gotta grow a pair.
Shit
The time is out of joint; oh cursed spite, that ever I was born to set it right.
by chairmanofthebar on Aug 28, 2009 2:20 PM PDT up reply actions
It's off again.
We don't have a Bullpen. We have a Cowpen. Before we get to call it a Bullpen these guys gotta grow a pair.
No. It's on again!
We don't have a Bullpen. We have a Cowpen. Before we get to call it a Bullpen these guys gotta grow a pair.
Me thinks Shaikin tried to scoop everyone
and jumped the gun a bit.
by ReggieBullits on Aug 28, 2009 2:22 PM PDT up reply actions
So it's off again!
We don't have a Bullpen. We have a Cowpen. Before we get to call it a Bullpen these guys gotta grow a pair.
Does this mean we have to change our ridiculous really cry?
What do you need a fancy suit for, Charlie, you ain't got no job to wear it to.
er, rally.
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by clover_black on Aug 28, 2009 2:24 PM PDT up reply actions
Fuck so is the deal on or not?
That’s my first in August, I think.
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yeah you are right
Kind of anti-climatic. :(
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In other news,
Harden claimed by Twins
Aybar is a nowhere man, Sitting in his Nowhere Land, Making all his nowhere plans for nobody.
by princeton11loveshalos on Aug 28, 2009 2:25 PM PDT reply actions
well its just a waiver claim
they dont have him yet
Aybar is a nowhere man, Sitting in his Nowhere Land, Making all his nowhere plans for nobody.
by princeton11loveshalos on Aug 28, 2009 2:26 PM PDT up reply actions
Harden>Kazmir?
They want power, We want respect...
by SenorChuckles on Aug 28, 2009 2:27 PM PDT up reply actions
yea but i doubt we get harden
even if the twins cant sign him
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by princeton11loveshalos on Aug 28, 2009 2:29 PM PDT up reply actions
i dont get it?
who do the twins offer their proposal or do the Cubs tell them what they want?
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by SenorChuckles on Aug 28, 2009 2:39 PM PDT up reply actions
As far as I know, it’s a two-way negotiation. Hence, the Red Sox pulled back Brad Penny when the Yanks claimed him. They don’t want any dialogue between mortal enemies…
I love this team.
by Downing Rules on Aug 28, 2009 2:41 PM PDT up reply actions
alright thanks
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by SenorChuckles on Aug 28, 2009 2:45 PM PDT up reply actions
hopefully its still a work in progress.
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Do I get to see 26 beautiful women with briefcases?
The Big Red Machine V.2 is coming this Fall 2009. Go Halos!
If it happens, it's a great move
A 25-year old LHP with a career ERA+ of 115. Led the AL in starts at age 23. Led the AL in strikeouts at age 23. One year YOUNGER than Jered Weaver and Ervin Santana. Injured earlier in the year, he appears healthy now, as evidenced by an August record of 3-1, giving up less than a hit per inning, and striking out batter/inning.
"There's nothing that cleanses your soul like getting the hell kicked out of you." - Woody Hayes
Yep. This is a good deal.
Think of it in terms of losing Lackey in the offseason.
A front four of Weaver, Kazmir, Santana and Saunders is pretty good. If they sign Lackey you have three potential #1’s in Lackey, Kaz and Santana with a couple of #2’s or #3’s. That’s a great rotation.
Say what you want about Kazmir, but he is a really good pitcher entering his prime. If he is healthy this is a good deal for the Halos.
We should ALL hope it goes through.
RIP Nick...
Jim Scully
Jim Scully Home
Kazmir was dominant just two years ago
when he logged 200+ innings and led the majors in strikeouts. He’s only 25, so one down year isn’t a black mark on his otherwise excellent career thus far. Yeah, he has control issues and he has games where he throws way too many pitches, but he still has top of the rotation type potential and is starting to show signs of being the old Kaz.
Hello.
what I told my buddy
What do you think about this? I don’t know too much about kaz, aside from his high pitch counts and suspect era, but we can use the arm for sure, as long as we keep scoring 7+ runs per game. As for the rooks, it’s a crap shoot, we’re stacked with bats so sweeney is expendable. We didn’t lose any starters either. as for torres….meh
So I’m cool with this move. And I think the rest of Angels nation is.
R.I.P Nick
Yeah, when did we get our own nation? What's next? "Cowboy Up!"???
We do have the real deal in Gene Autry, after all.
We don't have a Bullpen. We have a Cowpen. Before we get to call it a Bullpen these guys gotta grow a pair.
I can pitch for the Angels if their new gameplan is to rely on 7+ per game.
Unfortunately, this isn’t going to happen, especially in the post season.
What do you need a fancy suit for, Charlie, you ain't got no job to wear it to.
by clover_black on Aug 28, 2009 2:35 PM PDT up reply actions
Please refrain from using the term
Angel Nation.
RIP Nick Adenhart 4/9/09
I blog about the Angels at The Diamond Aces
All nations are douche bags
Red Sox – Douche bags
Raider – Douche bags
I am sure I am missing some
Play Wood already. Willits sucks.
dont forget the lame ass cowboys...
They want power, We want respect...
by SenorChuckles on Aug 28, 2009 2:40 PM PDT up reply actions
so is the raider nation bashing .
Go Angels!!!!
by deejayelleseven on Aug 28, 2009 4:04 PM PDT up reply actions
Lots of things that Raider fans and Sux fans have in common:
abomination
damnation
extermination
impregnation
resignation
insubordination
We don't have a Bullpen. We have a Cowpen. Before we get to call it a Bullpen these guys gotta grow a pair.
I meant to say HH'ers or something to that extent
my bad
R.I.P Nick
by RexTookMyStash on Aug 28, 2009 2:41 PM PDT up reply actions
I forgive you.
Now lets never speak of this again.
RIP Nick Adenhart 4/9/09
I blog about the Angels at The Diamond Aces
but can I ever forgive myself?
only time will tell……
R.I.P Nick
by RexTookMyStash on Aug 28, 2009 2:47 PM PDT up reply actions
I think with good friends and good food
Over time we can all forgive ourselves.
RIP Nick Adenhart 4/9/09
I blog about the Angels at The Diamond Aces
Hoffman also was claimed by an unknown team
Aybar is a nowhere man, Sitting in his Nowhere Land, Making all his nowhere plans for nobody.
by princeton11loveshalos on Aug 28, 2009 2:33 PM PDT reply actions
Wilson hasn't been too reliable as of late.
The Big Red Machine V.2 is coming this Fall 2009. Go Halos!
Deal is Done
according to MLBTR
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/
Kazmir, 5th starter, bam.
I brought sexy back, but they only gave me store credit....
we got em, bam
Aybar is a nowhere man, Sitting in his Nowhere Land, Making all his nowhere plans for nobody.
by princeton11loveshalos on Aug 28, 2009 2:35 PM PDT up reply actions
god bless you good sir :)
They want power, We want respect...
by SenorChuckles on Aug 28, 2009 2:35 PM PDT up reply actions
He is entering his prime
all he needs is change of location
I absolutely love this deal
I brought sexy back, but they only gave me store credit....
And I love you for making this official.
I Heart PhiSlamma like Acuda hearts Kendry Morales.
RIP Nick Adenhart 4/9/09
I blog about the Angels at The Diamond Aces
If this isnt official
Im making another post demanding an edit button to save face in times like these….
I brought sexy back, but they only gave me store credit....
well my love for you
returns to just a strong admiration. Sorry those are the rules.
RIP Nick Adenhart 4/9/09
I blog about the Angels at The Diamond Aces
Its going through
I can sense it in the force.
I brought sexy back, but they only gave me store credit....
It feels like it needs to happen.
This is the equivalent of getting a handy and the girl stopping before you finish. Can I get a hand?
RIP Nick Adenhart 4/9/09
I blog about the Angels at The Diamond Aces
Are you sure you just don't have gas?
I love this team.
by Downing Rules on Aug 28, 2009 2:47 PM PDT up reply actions
Shit,
that WAS it.
Nevermind we just landed Bonds
I brought sexy back, but they only gave me store credit....
Bonds are much safer than Stocks.
Both are better than bad gas.
I love this team.
by Downing Rules on Aug 28, 2009 2:52 PM PDT up reply actions
Too bad that was posted 30 minutes before MLB.com posted that the deal fell through
The Big Red Machine V.2 is coming this Fall 2009. Go Halos!
Um...
Believe the Angels beat reporter or some dude at the NY POST. Hmmmm
by ReggieBullits on Aug 28, 2009 2:36 PM PDT up reply actions
How reliable is this info???
The time is out of joint; oh cursed spite, that ever I was born to set it right.
by chairmanofthebar on Aug 28, 2009 2:36 PM PDT up reply actions
So its on again!
We don't have a Bullpen. We have a Cowpen. Before we get to call it a Bullpen these guys gotta grow a pair.
Me too.
We don't have a Bullpen. We have a Cowpen. Before we get to call it a Bullpen these guys gotta grow a pair.
Done deal!
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2009/08/angels-close-to-deal-for-scott-kazmir.html
RIP Nick Adenhart 4/9/09
W6G goes up in flames!!!!!!
What do you need a fancy suit for, Charlie, you ain't got no job to wear it to.
by clover_black on Aug 28, 2009 2:38 PM PDT up reply actions
Damnit, we have been on a massive winning streak!
I brought sexy back, but they only gave me store credit....
Not necessarily.
We Would’a Won With What We Got
or
We Wouldn’t Win With What We Got
Depends on your dispostion…
We don't have a Bullpen. We have a Cowpen. Before we get to call it a Bullpen these guys gotta grow a pair.
I counter by throwing in Robb Quinlan’s wife. It’s a LOCK to happen now.
I love this team.
by Downing Rules on Aug 28, 2009 2:48 PM PDT up reply actions
It would be off again.
Don’t push our luck, bloc! (Little do they know, Mickey Hatcher will be in Mrs. Quinlan’s luggage as a “secret” part of the deal … SHHHH don’t tell anybody!!!).
I love this team.
by Downing Rules on Aug 28, 2009 2:53 PM PDT up reply actions
Man you ain't kidding
That’ll be a win win.
RIP Nick Adenhart 4/9/09
I blog about the Angels at The Diamond Aces
4:40pm: Sherman says that no money is changing hands in the deal, so the Angels are absorbing the over $20MM owed to Kazmir over the next two years.
I brought sexy back, but they only gave me store credit....
Just read that
C’mon Kazmir… you get some money for being traded.
RIP Nick Adenhart 4/9/09
I blog about the Angels at The Diamond Aces
I want this to be official dammit
I hate getting mixed messages. Its like my ex girlfriend. Blah!
Aybar is a nowhere man, Sitting in his Nowhere Land, Making all his nowhere plans for nobody.
by princeton11loveshalos on Aug 28, 2009 2:42 PM PDT reply actions
Uh, yeah. Let us know how that works out for you, ok?
We don't have a Bullpen. We have a Cowpen. Before we get to call it a Bullpen these guys gotta grow a pair.
Hey, don't give up yet! Persistence is a virtue.
We don't have a Bullpen. We have a Cowpen. Before we get to call it a Bullpen these guys gotta grow a pair.
Once you get into jail, it will certainly take that meaning.
I love this team.
by Downing Rules on Aug 28, 2009 2:53 PM PDT up reply actions
rape is funny until it happends to you...
They want power, We want respect...
by SenorChuckles on Aug 28, 2009 2:57 PM PDT up reply actions
I could not imagine…that’s why I try like hell to stay out of jail, chuck.
I love this team.
by Downing Rules on Aug 28, 2009 3:00 PM PDT up reply actions
The trick is
To punch the first inmate you see in the face and then everyone will respect you.
NA 34
Not the first inmate
The biggest inmate. And be nice to the gays… because if they kick your ass, you become everyones bitch.
RIP Nick Adenhart 4/9/09
I blog about the Angels at The Diamond Aces
I saw Shawshank Redemption.
I love this team.
by Downing Rules on Aug 28, 2009 3:03 PM PDT up reply actions
the trick is to shit yourself daily ;)
They want power, We want respect...
by SenorChuckles on Aug 28, 2009 3:03 PM PDT up reply actions
Uh...
there are some fetishes that are into that. So, I’ll just continue working on staying out altogether.
I love this team.
by Downing Rules on Aug 28, 2009 3:05 PM PDT up reply actions
well now im out of ideas :/
They want power, We want respect...
by SenorChuckles on Aug 28, 2009 3:08 PM PDT up reply actions
Sherman reporting through a tweet that kazmir deal is done.
According to a tweet we got roy halladay also
What do you need a fancy suit for, Charlie, you ain't got no job to wear it to.
jello looking good
What do you need a fancy suit for, Charlie, you ain't got no job to wear it to.
by clover_black on Aug 28, 2009 2:45 PM PDT up reply actions
Too drunk to rosterbate
Bad Left Hook - The SB Nation boxing blog
"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
My favorite quote from these trade rumors:
“he is gone, raysdude19… might have to change that to angelsdude19 or raysdudeevan”
The Big Red Machine V.2 is coming this Fall 2009. Go Halos!
feel bad for weaver
because kazmir pitches in a playoff series before him.
by Quinlan's Goofy Swing on Aug 28, 2009 2:45 PM PDT reply actions
weaver's post all star break numbers
ip hits runs er hr bb k’s era whip baa
47.0 55 32 32 8 18 41 6.13 1.55 .291
kazmir’s
49 43 24 24 4 17 41 4.41 1.22 .231
by Quinlan's Goofy Swing on Aug 28, 2009 2:52 PM PDT up reply actions
Right now...
I think its Lackey, Weaver, and whoever emerges the reliable pitcher of Santana, Saunders, or Kazmir.
RIP Nick Adenhart 4/9/09
I blog about the Angels at The Diamond Aces
Only if Kaz is better than Weaver in the final month
And I don’t think it’s likely. Common, the only reason half of us know Kaz’s name is because ESPN has touted him for your years as the East Coast David, coming out to slay the Yankee and Red Sox Goliaths. If he’s pitched in any other division, he wouldn’t be nearly as well knows,
I feel bad for Kazmir
He was in his exercise shorts and was told be reporters of this trade. He had no idea. :(
The Big Red Machine V.2 is coming this Fall 2009. Go Halos!
I feel bad for Kazmir
he is making 20 million dollars … oh wait … I don’t feel bad for him if he gets notified of a trade in the nude!!!
by Rev Halofan on Aug 28, 2009 2:49 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Isn't it 28 over 3 years?
$9M per year? That’s not bad.
I love this team.
by Downing Rules on Aug 28, 2009 2:50 PM PDT up reply actions
You dont get a hard throwing lefty, who is 25, and recently led the AL in strikeouts for two A ball prospects every year.
Excellent job.
I brought sexy back, but they only gave me store credit....
his fastball velocity has steadily declined from an avg of 93.7 mph in '04 to 90.7 mph this season
It’s not the overwhelming pitch it once was
MLBTradeRumors now say
Angels acquire Scott Kazmir.
Shouldn’t it read Rays acquire Sweeney and Torres? Where is the East Coast Bias?
RIP Nick Adenhart 4/9/09
I blog about the Angels at The Diamond Aces
by Jay Cal on Aug 28, 2009 2:50 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Ok. Now that one deserves a rec.
But it could have been “Yankees Lock Up The East. Rays Fold.”
We don't have a Bullpen. We have a Cowpen. Before we get to call it a Bullpen these guys gotta grow a pair.
NY POST Joel Sherman
not backing down, confronting twitterers who bring up MLB.com denial of trade by saying TRUST ME… looks like SK is on his way.
REV .....
I got my source on other line ( i think you know who i’m talking about ) he says its not final but very close. Could go either way
How's your spicy chicken burrito?
Give my regards to the cute gal working cashier at the Corona Del Taco.
I love this team.
by Downing Rules on Aug 28, 2009 2:55 PM PDT up reply actions
Sounds like a road to nowhere, if you ask me.
I love this team.
by Downing Rules on Aug 28, 2009 2:56 PM PDT up reply actions
I know that Del Taco
Check out these games:
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by matthiasstephan on Aug 28, 2009 5:03 PM PDT up reply actions
Then you know where the Torii Hunter deal was done.
I love this team.
by Downing Rules on Aug 28, 2009 5:04 PM PDT up reply actions
So it might be off again?
We don't have a Bullpen. We have a Cowpen. Before we get to call it a Bullpen these guys gotta grow a pair.
Yes, it might be off or it might be on.
Could go either way
I love this team.
by Downing Rules on Aug 28, 2009 3:02 PM PDT up reply actions
Too much fun. Much better than working for a living.
We don't have a Bullpen. We have a Cowpen. Before we get to call it a Bullpen these guys gotta grow a pair.
If nothing more
this trade gives a little bit of insurance in case Lackey leaves via free agency
by Riveraistheman! on Aug 28, 2009 2:54 PM PDT reply actions
PERHAPS
perhaps MLB pulled it because they owe a favor of breaking the story to a news outlet with four letters.
They didn't pull it
They changed positions. No favor is worth delivering the wrong information.
by ReggieBullits on Aug 28, 2009 2:55 PM PDT up reply actions
Ah, got it.
I thought what was on the angels site was the mlb.com story…i’m so confused.
by ReggieBullits on Aug 28, 2009 2:57 PM PDT up reply actions
at one time it was the same story
then it was axed form the mother ship and rewritten on the satellite
Was that a Skylab satellite?
I love this team.
by Downing Rules on Aug 28, 2009 3:01 PM PDT up reply actions
Lodge is haulin' 'em in.
I love this team.
by Downing Rules on Aug 28, 2009 2:57 PM PDT up reply actions
For all those who say we're giving up too many good prospects
I remember a couple other guys who showed great power in A ball. One of them was released at age 28 by the Florida Marlins. The other continues to sit at our AAA team racking up stats down there but not being able to produce at the majore league level.
And as for pitching prospects – who knows? One arm injury and it could be over.
I feel the need, the need...for speed!
I'm for making this deal
But I believe
One arm injury and it could be over.is damning either way.
RIP Nick Adenhart 4/9/09
I blog about the Angels at The Diamond Aces
I wonder how good kaz's insurance is
It’s not like this guy is a model of efficiency.
This is a good move though, since we aren’t selling the farm though.
What do you need a fancy suit for, Charlie, you ain't got no job to wear it to.
by clover_black on Aug 28, 2009 3:03 PM PDT up reply actions
True
But at least Kazmir has shown he can pitch (and pitch effectively) at the major league level.
I feel the need, the need...for speed!
One stray meteor and the Angels dynasty is over
NO ONE GO TO ANY GAMES
I brought sexy back, but they only gave me store credit....
by PhiSlamma on Aug 28, 2009 3:03 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Seriously if a meteor hits Angels Stadium
I’m pretty sure the Angels move to Tempe Diablo Stadium.
RIP Nick Adenhart 4/9/09
I blog about the Angels at The Diamond Aces
"oceanfront property in Arizona"
great George Strait song.
I love this team.
by Downing Rules on Aug 28, 2009 3:05 PM PDT up reply actions
I also think Maynard from Tool says
I’ll see you down in Arizona Bay.
RIP Nick Adenhart 4/9/09
I blog about the Angels at The Diamond Aces
"Tool kicks ass Beavis"
That was a doggone funny episode of Beavis and Butthead where they were watching one of the first Tool videos.
I love this team.
by Downing Rules on Aug 28, 2009 3:09 PM PDT up reply actions
46 and 2
IIRC
This team is our extended family, That's why we love them no matter what the record, no matter what the score.
by halofan4life on Aug 28, 2009 3:52 PM PDT up reply actions
My bad
Aenima
This team is our extended family, That's why we love them no matter what the record, no matter what the score.
by halofan4life on Aug 28, 2009 3:54 PM PDT up reply actions
And a PTBNL
who could that be?
Aybar is a nowhere man, Sitting in his Nowhere Land, Making all his nowhere plans for nobody.
by princeton11loveshalos on Aug 28, 2009 3:02 PM PDT reply actions
Willits
Perhaps a catching prospect? Buddie or Wilson?
RIP Nick Adenhart 4/9/09
I blog about the Angels at The Diamond Aces
IT might be takign a while
becasue the Angels are swinging another deal to clear room on the 40-Man roster
and get Brian Downing a louder microphone.
I love this team.
by Downing Rules on Aug 28, 2009 3:06 PM PDT up reply actions
My "review" from last night's post-game thread:
The pre-game Hall-of-Fame festivities were AWESOME. I attended the game and the only issue was that it was difficult to hear Brian Downing’s voice. I hope somewhere on the internet his speech will be posted.
I saw Jim Fregosi walking along the Terrace Level concourses with his RING in hand during the 5th inning or so. Wow. That was one awesome piece of jewelry. I was shell-shocked at the ring and could not get out the words “Can I have a photo with you, Jim.”
I love this team.
by Downing Rules on Aug 28, 2009 3:11 PM PDT up reply actions
At least it didn't come out like
“hey Jim, I desperately want to make love to a school boy” ;)
NA 34
Dumb and Dumber, FTW!
I love this team.
by Downing Rules on Aug 28, 2009 3:24 PM PDT up reply actions
Willits for Joakim Soria
I can dream, right?
by gilbert on Aug 28, 2009 3:05 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Iunno. I think Willits is worth a Soria + Greinke
The Big Red Machine V.2 is coming this Fall 2009. Go Halos!
He's going for the classic "Naugles" items that Del took on when they bought them out:
Macho Burritos and Macho Sodas FTW! Naugles!!!!
I love this team.
by Downing Rules on Aug 28, 2009 3:25 PM PDT up reply actions
http://twitter.com/SPTimesRays/statuses/3612302945
I brought sexy back, but they only gave me store credit....
MLB Traderumors add.
5:00pm: Topkins tweets that the deal should be finalized within an hour.
RIP Nick Adenhart 4/9/09
I blog about the Angels at The Diamond Aces
Tompkins - Saint Petersburg Times
Now that’s info I can believe.
by ReggieBullits on Aug 28, 2009 3:09 PM PDT up reply actions
not yet... :D
Nick Adenhart- Forever a true Angel in Heaven. RIP 1986-2009
by AnaheimHalos61 on Aug 28, 2009 5:47 PM PDT up reply actions
So this is how twitter works.
What do you need a fancy suit for, Charlie, you ain't got no job to wear it to.
I heard we got Beckett.
(joke)
I love this team.
by Downing Rules on Aug 28, 2009 3:08 PM PDT up reply actions
Just to make him Sosh's personal Lasagna fetching boy.
I brought sexy back, but they only gave me store credit....
I'd feel dirty about that.
Like I might still have to boo him.
RIP Nick Adenhart 4/9/09
I blog about the Angels at The Diamond Aces
Me too
A toddler armed with a 98 mph fastball. I fucking hate that guy. That’s the second f-bomb I’ve used on him this year.
I think you have to say the F word when your talking about Beckett...
They want power, We want respect...
by SenorChuckles on Aug 28, 2009 3:15 PM PDT up reply actions
His job would be to wash Chupa's jockstrap after every game.
Angels baseball. We do what we must, because we can -- HaloDutch
If you agree to a PTBNL
Can you F*** with someone and say… okay take GMJ. He’s the ptbnl.
RIP Nick Adenhart 4/9/09
I blog about the Angels at The Diamond Aces
Nope
Its different with every trade.
Sometimes its based on the traded players preformance, sometimes its salary based.
Its all up to the clubs, one club usually cannot screw another like that.
I brought sexy back, but they only gave me store credit....
There's always a list
It’s usually 2 to 4 players that both teams agree on. A lot of the time, they can’t trade them because they’ve just been drafted. So the team that gets the PTBNL gets to choose from the list at a later date.
I feel the need, the need...for speed!
Sorry Rev
I still get bored when Biggs is on the radio.
RIP Nick Adenhart 4/9/09
I blog about the Angels at The Diamond Aces
I'm not sure if this bodes well for us
http://www.malcolminthemiddle.co.uk/images/Bryan-Cranston-Kazmir-the-Flying-Camel-Sept08-MITMVC.gif
Whatever dude.
by Mayheminthehood on Aug 28, 2009 3:15 PM PDT reply actions
When Im on, when Im on my way.*
*Depending on the source
Whatever dude.
by Mayheminthehood on Aug 28, 2009 3:22 PM PDT up reply actions
flying camels FTW!
They want power, We want respect...
by SenorChuckles on Aug 28, 2009 3:16 PM PDT up reply actions
I'm taking off guys
See you in the game thread in about 3 hours.
RIP Nick Adenhart 4/9/09
I blog about the Angels at The Diamond Aces
Is this happening?
I hope so. Kazmir as an Angel would be a great thing!
So it's on again? (catching up on the thread, only getting this far down to this point...)
We don't have a Bullpen. We have a Cowpen. Before we get to call it a Bullpen these guys gotta grow a pair.
kazmir was just taken off the list of probable pitchers for the rays this series
NICE!!!
We all live Napoli ever after.
This series is a four game series...
and he just pitched yesterday. So, he should be the first pitcher on the rays next series. I think that was a bogus warning sign, IMHO.
I love this team.
by Downing Rules on Aug 28, 2009 3:35 PM PDT up reply actions
I love this deal!
Think about it guys, we get a young guy that has tons of upside locked in for two more years…Butch will do great things with him. This just came across…
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/writers/tom_verducci/08/28/kazmir.trade/
The bat of Howie will rise again!
by The Furious Bat of Howie47 on Aug 28, 2009 3:31 PM PDT reply actions
Unless his arm falls off.
He’s a prime candidate for tommy john.
But the angels gave up basically nothing for him, and if anything, he can be used as a sweet deal in a trade.
What do you need a fancy suit for, Charlie, you ain't got no job to wear it to.
by clover_black on Aug 28, 2009 3:35 PM PDT up reply actions
Very good career numbers against the Red Sox
- Lefty
- 25
- Not too expensive
- Could benefit from change of scenery, aka Edwin Jackson
- Career numbers against Texas extremely good
- HES TWENTY FIVE
Feels good man.
I brought sexy back, but they only gave me store credit....
That's the problem...
….every article I’m reading says that this is insurance because “the angles will lose john lackey in the winter” i don’t understand how it’s come to us losing lackey?!
The bat of Howie will rise again!
by The Furious Bat of Howie47 on Aug 28, 2009 3:40 PM PDT up reply actions
Because someone will offer him insane money
and too many years, and the Angels will move on.
I brought sexy back, but they only gave me store credit....
BoSoxs will give him the money >:(
They want power, We want respect...
by SenorChuckles on Aug 28, 2009 3:42 PM PDT up reply actions
Meanwhile...Lackey has been giving off signs of whiny-ass. He may have checked out last season.
We don't have a Bullpen. We have a Cowpen. Before we get to call it a Bullpen these guys gotta grow a pair.
I hate to say it
But I see Lackey in Texas working for Nolan Ryan
by Diving Catch on Aug 28, 2009 3:42 PM PDT up reply actions
Uh
- Lefty. Ok, I like that against probably Yanks and Bo Sox lineups
- 25… And declining? Fastball velocity steadily sinking, he’s made little progress in going deeper into games.
- $25 mil over a little over 2 years. Ok if he pitches like pre-‘09, an annual albatross of Sarge Jr. like proportions if he continues to pitch like he has in ’09.
- Edwin Jackson, as far as I know, didn’t see any decline in his stuff. At any rate, Dontrelle Willis also saw a change of scenery, and… well, that didn’t work out so well.
- ok. He’s beat up on Texas. That’s a plus.
GMJ albatross?
I think you should look at more starting pitchers salaries that are post arbitration.
09:$6M, 10:$8M, 11:$12M, 12:$13.5M club option
8 million is not an albatross.
Play Wood already. Willits sucks.
If he sucks or gets hurt, which are both likely outcomes
You’d be paying $25 mil for a little over 2 seasons (including the buyout to get out of ‘12). That’s almost the same amount annually that we’re giving GMJ.
For his position, he is not paid all that much
GMJ is a 4th OFer paid like an Allstar at this point
Play Wood already. Willits sucks.
Except Kazmir was good
And even now is serviceable. GMJ had one ridiculous season and that’ it. Kaz also has upside, given how young he is. This contract is not at all like GMJ’s.
Given Kazmir’s history, I don’t see how you can say it’s “likely” that he’ll suck.
I feel the need, the need...for speed!
I love you optimism
You don’t see any other option besides surgery or sucking?
By the way when you are walking 5 batters per 9IP in AA you shouldn’t be compared to someone who lead the AL in strikeouts
Play Wood already. Willits sucks.
Since the all star break
he’s an upgrade, and it’s not just an upgrade slotted into the #5 spot.
post all star break :
Kazmir: 4.41 era, 1.22 whip, .231 baa
Lackey: 3.18, 1.13, .223
Santana : 4.61, 1.34, .258
Weaver: 6.13, 1.55, .291
Saunders: 7.67, 1.94, .350
Kazmir got victimized by a bad reliever coming in and letting inherited runners score. Not sure how that will change much here, but i’m sure not having grant balfour coming in to put out a fire will improve his era.
by Quinlan's Goofy Swing on Aug 28, 2009 4:54 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
He could be outstanding. That's a possible outcome.
But not a certain one. There are reasons for Tampa being so willing to let this guy go for prospects that no one outside the Halos organization have heard of, and it has to do with declining stuff, injury risk, and money.
That’s my point.
He could also be great, especially with a southern california marine layer over his head, and I hope he destroys the Rangers in late September and whoever else in October. I hope he reaches 200 innings next year at the head of our staff. I hope he pitches well enough in 2011 to have us exercise his option. I hope for all of these things and acknowledge that they are likely.
I just see too much potential for him to go all Eric Bedard on us to justify the costs. That’s all.
good and worried.
good that kazmir can help us more that O’Sully, Bell, or Palmer.
and worried that this makes it harder to sign all five upcoming FA’s this year, not saying we were going to sign all five.
They want power, We want respect...
by SenorChuckles on Aug 28, 2009 3:37 PM PDT up reply actions
Just grab Abreu
and Vlad, but fill it with incentives and we win.
I brought sexy back, but they only gave me store credit....
Well...if you consider that
last year he was a crucial part of the Rays in last years playoff run, he’s averaged a mid 3’s era having an era in the 5’s this year and his first year in the majors….
The bat of Howie will rise again!
by The Furious Bat of Howie47 on Aug 28, 2009 3:39 PM PDT up reply actions
Posted at 506 EST
Things have changed since then.
I brought sexy back, but they only gave me store credit....
Here is a good timeline:
MLB Traderumors Kazmir Updates
I love this team.
by Downing Rules on Aug 28, 2009 3:38 PM PDT up reply actions
read this
5:00pm: Topkins tweets that the deal should be finalized within an hour.
4:33pm: Joel Sherman of The NY Post hears from a source that the deal is done, and Kazmir is "definitely going to the Angels
R.I.P. Nick Adenhart #34
exactly what I linked just after your post.
I love this team.
by Downing Rules on Aug 28, 2009 3:39 PM PDT up reply actions
And "those" are post-"falls through"
Fasten your seatbelts. Del Taco in Corona is getting some serious activity by men in red shirts.
I love this team.
by Downing Rules on Aug 28, 2009 3:41 PM PDT up reply actions
LOL
The bat of Howie will rise again!
by The Furious Bat of Howie47 on Aug 28, 2009 3:41 PM PDT up reply actions
I get it
I’m just skeptical of Twitter as a source. Someone’s not doing their job when the Angels beat reporter is getting scooped on an important Angels lead by a dude at the NY Post. The same NY Post that said ARod was “98% gonna be an Angel” however many off-seasons ago that was.
by ReggieBullits on Aug 28, 2009 3:43 PM PDT up reply actions
You make very very good points here.
I love this team.
by Downing Rules on Aug 28, 2009 3:44 PM PDT up reply actions
damn I forgot about that.
They want power, We want respect...
by SenorChuckles on Aug 28, 2009 3:44 PM PDT up reply actions
i thought the source
was a TB beat reporter, doing his thing on Twitter.
and I thought the know-it-all ass clowns in NY were just jumping on the TB guy’s lead…?
www.13stoploss.com
Do I get a cookie?
I so totally read something and posted it before all you!
OWNED
I brought sexy back, but they only gave me store credit....
I read that in a dream about 4 weeks ago.
How ’you like THEM APPLES?
I love this team.
by Downing Rules on Aug 28, 2009 3:45 PM PDT up reply actions
I know a fellow whose last name is FU...
are you channeling him? ;)
I love this team.
by Downing Rules on Aug 28, 2009 4:29 PM PDT up reply actions
This seems to be a trade that helps both teams.
While I myself have felt something should be done to bolster our bully, getting a major league ready starter is better. Lets put it this way, a 25 year old under contract, who happens to be a southpaw, is a better option than Brad Penny or most other names being tossed around. And for two prospects, good deal.
YOU DON'T KNOW THE POWER OF THE DARKSIDE.....
a 25 year old who has pitched excellent
against the red sox, yankees, and rangers this season too.
by Quinlan's Goofy Swing on Aug 28, 2009 3:46 PM PDT up reply actions
I think thats going to be the best indication of how done this is.
I brought sexy back, but they only gave me store credit....
Gotta love Mr Kuhl. He's so cool.
I love this team.
by Downing Rules on Aug 28, 2009 3:46 PM PDT up reply actions
Keep us radio-deprived internet junkies updated...
I would like to know what the heck happened to Quentin.
I love this team.
by Downing Rules on Aug 28, 2009 3:46 PM PDT up reply actions
Flew out to center, I think
http://inplaynoouts.blogspot.com/ - A blog about teams I like, written by me.
#34
by Carl Johnson on Aug 28, 2009 4:06 PM PDT up reply actions
Please let me know what he's saying...
…dont have a radio near me
The bat of Howie will rise again!
by The Furious Bat of Howie47 on Aug 28, 2009 3:47 PM PDT up reply actions
go to am830klaa.com and you can download and stream it.
They want power, We want respect...
by SenorChuckles on Aug 28, 2009 3:50 PM PDT up reply actions
Please tell me this deal is pending on a full scale physical on
his shoulder and elbow…. Notice a very disturbing trend in hs FB velocity ….
2004 67.6% (93.7)
2005 65.2% (92.6)
2006 56.2% (91.9)
2007 69.6% (92.1)
2008 75.3% (91.7)
2009 63.3% (90.7)
I think he is a TJ candidate waiting to happen.
JD’s like, "you want some fucking pitching? Here’s all the pitching you can stand. Now choke on it, bitches!"- RCCook
velocity is bullshit, location is key...
They want power, We want respect...
by SenorChuckles on Aug 28, 2009 3:46 PM PDT up reply actions
Uhh, no... Most guys need both. There are a few exceptions, yes,
but if this were really true you’d a have a lot more guys who couldn’t throw 90 in the mlb
well played...
They want power, We want respect...
by SenorChuckles on Aug 28, 2009 3:51 PM PDT up reply actions
A lot of that from 2009
Was the beginning of the season, before his DL stint. From what I’ve read, he’s been back up around his prior year velocity the last couple of weeks.
I feel the need, the need...for speed!
weaver, santana, saunders, lackey, arredondo
all must be in that same line for TJ surgery
by Quinlan's Goofy Swing on Aug 28, 2009 3:47 PM PDT up reply actions
ACCORDING TO ANGELS BASEBALL TWITTER ITS A DONE DEAL
http://twitter.com/angelsbaseball
We all live Napoli ever after.
someone tell biggs!
They want power, We want respect...
by SenorChuckles on Aug 28, 2009 3:47 PM PDT up reply actions
What does facebook say?
;)
I love this team.
by Downing Rules on Aug 28, 2009 3:47 PM PDT up reply actions
Bloggy McBloggerson has also confirmed!
He is also reporting that his mom’s basement smells like laundry detergent.
I feel the need, the need...for speed!
Wahoo!!!
Man, I love this deal
The bat of Howie will rise again!
by The Furious Bat of Howie47 on Aug 28, 2009 3:48 PM PDT up reply actions
See, this is why quoting Twitter sucks
Bio: Angels baseball; not an official site, but officially interesting.
by ReggieBullits on Aug 28, 2009 3:50 PM PDT up reply actions
I wonder what Mel from Fullerton thinks?
What do you need a fancy suit for, Charlie, you ain't got no job to wear it to.
Is that the guy that asked Rev how many games he's missed in the past three years?
Whatever dude.
by Mayheminthehood on Aug 28, 2009 3:50 PM PDT up reply actions
jerry , aka Jim Lackey
What do you need a fancy suit for, Charlie, you ain't got no job to wear it to.
by clover_black on Aug 28, 2009 3:55 PM PDT up reply actions
sounds like it.
or jerry
, or jeff.
There’s only three people that call into the show.
What do you need a fancy suit for, Charlie, you ain't got no job to wear it to.
by clover_black on Aug 28, 2009 3:54 PM PDT up reply actions
What does Obama have to do with this deal?
Who is running the country while he’s chomping Del Taco with Tony Reagins?
I love this team.
by Downing Rules on Aug 28, 2009 3:54 PM PDT up reply actions
I wish funktastic Huckabee was in Obamas cabinet.
They want power, We want respect...
by SenorChuckles on Aug 28, 2009 3:57 PM PDT up reply actions
I remember him saying something about Cheney.
like he is the most evil VP in the history of the United States. Or something like that.
They want power, We want respect...
by SenorChuckles on Aug 28, 2009 4:01 PM PDT up reply actions
yea but not many politicians are willing to say that..
They want power, We want respect...
by SenorChuckles on Aug 28, 2009 4:26 PM PDT up reply actions
Yeah, they hate that "telling the truth" thing.
I love this team.
by Downing Rules on Aug 28, 2009 4:28 PM PDT up reply actions
Does anybody know...
Kazmir’s playoff stats last year? I’ve tried to Google them, can’t seem to find em
The bat of Howie will rise again!
by The Furious Bat of Howie47 on Aug 28, 2009 3:53 PM PDT reply actions
Google is a search engine...
baseball reference is the source of the info:
http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/k/kazmisc01.shtml
I love this team.
by Downing Rules on Aug 28, 2009 3:55 PM PDT up reply actions
He pitched okay
Not great. Definitely walked a TON of guys (18 in 25 innings)
I feel the need, the need...for speed!
walked 10 in 10 innings of the world series
i’m going to go out on a limb and say he will be ace like working with mathis and this defense
by Quinlan's Goofy Swing on Aug 28, 2009 3:57 PM PDT up reply actions
Compares to Erik Bedard on BBRef.com!
Yikes.
I love this team.
by Downing Rules on Aug 28, 2009 3:58 PM PDT up reply actions
Erik Bedard was pretty damn great until he was 28
If Kazmir does the same, we will be in very good shape.
Any confirmation anywhere yet?
The bat of Howie will rise again!
by The Furious Bat of Howie47 on Aug 28, 2009 3:57 PM PDT reply actions
We've been cryin out now for much too long, and now we're gonna dance to a different song!
Oooh ooh, Kaz it up! Kaz it up, Kaz it up!
Whatever dude.
by Mayheminthehood on Aug 28, 2009 3:58 PM PDT reply actions
Sung to?
“I want to sex you up?”
I love this team.
by Downing Rules on Aug 28, 2009 3:59 PM PDT up reply actions
lackey, weaver, santana, saunders, kaz
i like this , a lot.
What do you need a fancy suit for, Charlie, you ain't got no job to wear it to.
MLBTR Update
5:59pm: It’s the trade that just won’t be made official. Topkin says there won’t be a trade announcement made until after tonight’s Rays-Tigers game in Detroit. Naturally, the game is in a rain delay.
mlb network right now discussing it.,...
john heyman says its pretty much done…verducci says it’s all about money for rays
The bat of Howie will rise again!
by The Furious Bat of Howie47 on Aug 28, 2009 4:05 PM PDT reply actions
I'll see your $20 and raise you another $20.
I love this team.
by Downing Rules on Aug 28, 2009 4:06 PM PDT up reply actions
So this means we dont re-sign lackey then...?
And sign Figgy instead this offseason…?
Go Angels!!!!
by deejayelleseven on Aug 28, 2009 4:05 PM PDT reply actions
Can Reckling be ready in 2010 or does he need more time?
They want power, We want respect...
by SenorChuckles on Aug 28, 2009 4:06 PM PDT up reply actions
Maybe we go with Bell...?
Go Angels!!!!
by deejayelleseven on Aug 28, 2009 4:07 PM PDT up reply actions
He needs more time
he walks way to many people
i think he will be ready in late 2010 early 2011
R.I.P. Nick Adenhart #34
Biggs is on with President right now
This team is our extended family, That's why we love them no matter what the record, no matter what the score.
What does the rotation look like now..?
Lackey
Kazmir
Weaver
Saunders
Santana
Go Angels!!!!
by deejayelleseven on Aug 28, 2009 4:08 PM PDT reply actions
I think it'd go more like this...
Lackey
WEAVER
SAUNDERS
Kazmir
Santana
The bat of Howie will rise again!
by The Furious Bat of Howie47 on Aug 28, 2009 4:09 PM PDT up reply actions
at this point for me, i'd go
lackey
santana
kazmir
weaver
saunders
by Quinlan's Goofy Swing on Aug 28, 2009 4:09 PM PDT up reply actions
Kuhl doesn't even know about?!
The bat of Howie will rise again!
by The Furious Bat of Howie47 on Aug 28, 2009 4:08 PM PDT reply actions
you have a facebook? You are already a fool ;)
They want power, We want respect...
by SenorChuckles on Aug 28, 2009 4:10 PM PDT up reply actions
Feel much better rolling Kazmir out then SOS/Bell
Palmer needed in pen with the condition its in
Free Brandon Wood!
Kazmir looks like Jeff Mathis' Brother
Go Angels!!!!
by deejayelleseven on Aug 28, 2009 4:09 PM PDT reply actions
+1
The bat of Howie will rise again!
by The Furious Bat of Howie47 on Aug 28, 2009 4:10 PM PDT up reply actions
I wonder what number Ka$h Money wears considering K-Mo rocks the one-nine
Go Angels!!!!
by deejayelleseven on Aug 28, 2009 4:16 PM PDT reply actions
makes sense :D
They want power, We want respect...
by SenorChuckles on Aug 28, 2009 4:17 PM PDT up reply actions
he would so get laid like everyday in that case
Go Angels!!!!
by deejayelleseven on Aug 28, 2009 4:18 PM PDT up reply actions
check it my friend...
http://blogs.tampabay.com/rays/2009/08/kazmir-hasnat-heard-anything-yet.html
They want power, We want respect...
by SenorChuckles on Aug 28, 2009 4:19 PM PDT up reply actions
My policy:
Nothing has happened until it’s MLB.com confirmed. None of that mlbtraderumor crap
"Figgins' OBP is still over 40!" -Steve Physioc
by Figgi4life on Aug 28, 2009 4:18 PM PDT via mobile reply actions
MLBNetwork says deal is on and will be finalized with in the hour
"Boy, did he drop a huge deuce in the stands!" (About a two-run homer)
Rex Hudler
Ah!
I hate trades. Tell me when it’s official
"Figgins' OBP is still over 40!" -Steve Physioc
by Figgi4life on Aug 28, 2009 4:22 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Just reading LA Times.
It said Oliver is leaning to playing another year, good news indeed
They want power, We want respect...
Can anyone find a random tweet to confirm this?
Otherwise I don’t believe it.
I feel the need, the need...for speed!
Tweety, Sylvester...what's the difference?
I love this team.
by Downing Rules on Aug 28, 2009 4:28 PM PDT up reply actions
Tampon Bay and Detroit have begun play.
only 54 more outs need to be recorded before we hear the news.
I love this team.
is he our 4th starter?
Id like the deal more if we can make one more deal for a power middle reliever. Our middle relief and set up man scares me.
As for this deal, I like it if he pitches well in September and in the play offs.
by Ca1IFORNIA ANGELS on Aug 28, 2009 4:46 PM PDT reply actions
Jepsen isn't all that bad
Go Angels!!!!
by deejayelleseven on Aug 28, 2009 4:49 PM PDT up reply actions
post all star break
jepsen : 1.80 era 1.00 whip .227 baa (21k in 20 innings), 2-1 record, no blown saves
Bulger: 1.59 era 1.18 whip .212 baa (0 homers, he had 7 pre all star break) 2-0, no blown saves
by Quinlan's Goofy Swing on Aug 28, 2009 4:58 PM PDT up reply actions
just adding on
comparing either of these two to shields, and they are the better option by far looking at shield’s post all star break numbers from 2008 – 2004.
Still a lot of baseball left in September, but I’m confident with either of these guys … until they decide to blow their first save since june. Jepsen hasn’t blown one all year, Bulger only twice.
Take out the triple a bp guys, and our pen is championship caliber.
by Quinlan's Goofy Swing on Aug 28, 2009 5:05 PM PDT up reply actions
Jepsen hasn’t blown one all year
(knocks on wood)
I love this team.
by Downing Rules on Aug 28, 2009 5:08 PM PDT up reply actions
Dondo/Bulger/Palmer/Jepsen
Have been very reliable as of late. They’re great 5/6/7th inning.
Palmer can go 3-4 innings every other start (although we wouldn’t want this to happen). He’s posted a 2.76 ERA over July and August in 39.1 IP. 2-0 record
Dondo can do 3 per full rotation (every 5 games). He’s been looking like his old self with every start (minus giving up 4 ERs like 3 games ago). 13 Ks in 11 IP is what I like seeing.
Bulger, I won’t forget when he did an amazing job to clean up Fuentes’ mess vs the Indians. And of July and August: he’s posted a 1.96 ERA in 23 IP. With 4 Wins, 4 Holds, 1 Save, no blown saves.
Jepsen is our setup man. He has the velocity, and he’s working on the control. In July and August, he’s posting a 1.79 ERA in 25.1 IP. 2-1 with 9 Holds and no Blown saves.
We sent Loux down which was a good move. Rafael will be the new Loux, but he’s showing some improvement. He’s the “when we’re down a ton, give this guy experience” reliever.
Fuentes has been shaky as of late. But giving him 2-3 runs to work with is enough. July and August he’s posting a 4.77 ERA (ouch) but that’s because of two meltdowns: 6 ERs in 0 IPs hurts your ERA. However, minus those two performances: he would be posting 1.19 ERA in 15.1 IP. 1-1 Record. 14 Saves and 2 Blown saves (one was in the meltdown).
So really, our relievers are mostly solid. I think. Their ERAs definitely don’t do them justice. But as of recent. Our relievers have been lights out, for the most part. It’s our starters and our cold bats that are the cause of our losses.
It’s kind of ironic that, ever since we had that game with all .300 hitters, our bats have been less than average. 3-6 record since then, getting outscored 41 to 34.
The Big Red Machine V.2 is coming this Fall 2009. Go Halos!
Jesus can't hit a curve ball.
figgifig was quoting MLBTR:
6:17pm: Man on the scene Marc Topkin hears that the Rays may also receive a player to be named later in addition to Torres and Sweeney.
I love this team.
by Downing Rules on Aug 28, 2009 4:58 PM PDT up reply actions
That whole Jesus thing is a fairy tale. A myth.
Of course He could hit a curveball. And he could teach Mathis a thing or two about laying down a sacrifice.
We don't have a Bullpen. We have a Cowpen. Before we get to call it a Bullpen these guys gotta grow a pair.
Carpenter, you know.
maybe he was making bats that wouldn’t shatter.
I love this team.
by Downing Rules on Aug 28, 2009 5:06 PM PDT up reply actions
Pros N Cons
Pros
1. Least Reagins did something
2. Kazmir is a young lefty
3. He s a 2 time All star
4. Has pitched well of late, wins against Texas, New York and Toronto.
Cons
1. Lots of money left in contract
2. Injury Prone
You will be forever in our hearts, Nick Adenhart.
Having him locked up for two more years...
is good.
He’s only 26. Younger than Santana and Weaver.
This makes a good, young core to the rotation. Too bad Adenhart isn’t around to be part of it too….
RIP Nick...
Jim Scully
Jim Scully Home
still waiting for confirmation??
ugh… this is going to drive me nuts all night!
Thank you, Nick Adenhart. You will always be remembered. #34
Rays want one more player.
Let the speculation begin
This team is our extended family, That's why we love them no matter what the record, no matter what the score.
by halofan4life on Aug 28, 2009 4:59 PM PDT up reply actions
quinlan?
Thank you, Nick Adenhart. You will always be remembered. #34
by howiestheman on Aug 28, 2009 5:27 PM PDT up reply actions
Maybe we are waiting for GMJ to waive his no trade clause
not gonna happen, but I can dream.
They said "post-game" Detroit-TB.
It’s nuthin-nuthin in the third inning.
I love this team.
by Downing Rules on Aug 28, 2009 5:00 PM PDT up reply actions
oops.
one nil red wings over lighting in the 3rd.
I love this team.
by Downing Rules on Aug 28, 2009 5:03 PM PDT up reply actions
Barry Sanders kicked the extra point, eh?
I love this team.
by Downing Rules on Aug 28, 2009 5:07 PM PDT up reply actions
I'm thinking Herman Moore with the PAT.
And Scott Mitchell for one of the worst starting QB’s ever. I’m not even a Lions fan, why do I know so much about that crappy team, god I need a life.
YOU DON'T KNOW THE POWER OF THE DARKSIDE.....
i like the move
FWIW
Godspeed Nick - RIP - 1986-2009
by norcaliangelsfan on Aug 28, 2009 5:07 PM PDT reply actions
oh i only saw the first and came back again right now
but basically (after 30 mins of rambling) he said he doesn’t like it…where do you stand at the moment
what made you go from
this move is SO stupid that I don’t even have words for it. Kazmir is an injury waiting to happen and is always too close to the gascan for comfort.
to
why not
We need to add a proven MLB pitcher to the rotation if we want to make it to post season
you know that. Seriously.
Hey la, hey, Halo...
please help...
im at work and not sure whats goin on…deal or dead?
Still, I wish Nick was here
by adirondackangelfan on Aug 28, 2009 5:24 PM PDT reply actions
gotta wait for the Tigers-Rays game to end.
“No announcement until after the game” is what I have heard.
I love this team.
by Downing Rules on Aug 28, 2009 5:26 PM PDT up reply actions
Follow along:
http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/boxscore?gid=290828106
I love this team.
by Downing Rules on Aug 28, 2009 5:27 PM PDT up reply actions
Wow...
Garza just got blasted. 5 runs. That’s going to delay our little announcement a bit. Dang it.
I love this team.
by Downing Rules on Aug 28, 2009 5:33 PM PDT up reply actions
no word yet
most seem to think it’s a deal, but we won’t know for a couple hours
Thank you, Nick Adenhart. You will always be remembered. #34
by howiestheman on Aug 28, 2009 5:27 PM PDT up reply actions
i dont know if someone has posted this already but....
does this mean dead or are there apparently still talks???
Nick Adenhart- Forever a true Angel in Heaven. RIP 1986-2009
by AnaheimHalos61 on Aug 28, 2009 5:40 PM PDT up reply actions
woops ;P
Nick Adenhart- Forever a true Angel in Heaven. RIP 1986-2009
by AnaheimHalos61 on Aug 28, 2009 5:42 PM PDT up reply actions
Fred Rogins had the Aybar/Izturis play last night/morning on "Morning Joe"
and they are all Red Sox* fans on that show.
Hey la, hey, Halo...
Ha, i just read that "rogin is often confused for jason bateman"
…that’s just funny and very untrue
The bat of Howie will rise again!
by The Furious Bat of Howie47 on Aug 28, 2009 5:53 PM PDT up reply actions
the biggest thing
does this mean that the Rays have given up on this year?
Well, phyzz and rex were trying to find someone...
….on the team to call dog, he could be kaz-dog!
The bat of Howie will rise again!
by The Furious Bat of Howie47 on Aug 28, 2009 6:13 PM PDT up reply actions
Kazmir--->Cashmere--->wool from goats =
La Cabra
Hooters anyone?
by Chone's Chonies on Aug 28, 2009 7:11 PM PDT up reply actions
Alexi Amarista came out of the Kernels' game in the 5th
No injury delay or anything. I hope that doesn’t mean he’s the third player.
good hitter with a decent eye we wont miss him...
They want power, We want respect...
by SenorChuckles on Aug 28, 2009 7:14 PM PDT up reply actions
Beckett hit Scutaro in the head
Just thought you’d wanna know
The time is out of joint; oh cursed spite, that ever I was born to set it right.
by chairmanofthebar on Aug 28, 2009 6:54 PM PDT reply actions
Funkin Josh Beckett with his gay soul patch...
They want power, We want respect...
by SenorChuckles on Aug 28, 2009 6:57 PM PDT up reply actions
speaking of HBPs...
here is the greatest fight ever! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xgu90A9Ei20&feature=related
RIP Nick Adenhart 4/9/09
by vlad IS my man on Aug 28, 2009 6:58 PM PDT up reply actions
hater
Godspeed Nick - RIP - 1986-2009
by norcaliangelsfan on Aug 28, 2009 7:00 PM PDT up reply actions
Fight On!
2009 Angels Season: Let's Do This For Nick
by trojanangelfan on Aug 29, 2009 4:00 PM PDT up reply actions
Barkley is the man dude
Guy has a cannon
R.I.P Nick Adenhart 1986-2009 You will be greatly missed
by angelsown3417 on Aug 28, 2009 7:03 PM PDT up reply actions
But he was named the starter
how has he sucked?
R.I.P Nick Adenhart 1986-2009 You will be greatly missed
by angelsown3417 on Aug 28, 2009 7:08 PM PDT up reply actions
becuase corp was hurt - no other reason.
if he was ok then he would be holding a clipboard. He was aweful in camp. Check the articles in the daily news
What The F
is this guy a Halo or not???
Did the Angels FINALLY make a move for a pitcher????
R I D I C U L O U S that it took this long for what appears to be an attempt at a trade for an arm.
When I'm not at the stadium, I'd rather be watching my Halos back in Costa Rica!
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO DEAL !
Yet???
BWAAAAHAHAHAHAHA ! ! !
When I'm not at the stadium, I'd rather be watching my Halos back in Costa Rica!
In other news...
Texas is losing to Minnesota.
The time is out of joint; oh cursed spite, that ever I was born to set it right.
by chairmanofthebar on Aug 28, 2009 7:04 PM PDT reply actions
hah!
They want power, We want respect...
by SenorChuckles on Aug 28, 2009 7:12 PM PDT up reply actions
I don't know how, if this is true
more of you aren’t shitting your pants in excitement.
“Ohh, but his pitch count is too high, waaaaaaahhh, waaaaaahhh. This porridge is too cold…”
PUH-LEASE.
He’s been injured this year, but look at the guy…he’s a staff ace (oh, boo-fuckin’-hoo, he’ll only give us 6 1/3 innings). He’s 25 freakin’ years old. He’s a kid. He’s a strikeout machine with a low career ERA. He’s been a Cy Young waiting to happen since high school. And he’s less money that Gary Fucking Matthews. For the next two years.
And he’s available for two GOOD, but not untouchable prospects.
Give him to me. Now. Please. Where’s the pen to sign this shit?
by Caseys Kiss of Death on Aug 28, 2009 7:09 PM PDT reply actions 2 recs
yep
could potentially have 3 ace pitchers peaking a month from now.
lackey santana and kazmir
weaver has taken a giant leap back from his great 1st half, and saunders has had one good start all year right?
kazmir will be the only guy not afraid to face texas, every other starter in this rotation has been lit by the rangers this year
by Quinlan's Goofy Swing on Aug 28, 2009 7:12 PM PDT up reply actions
Saundo has had more than 1 good start my friend...
They want power, We want respect...
by SenorChuckles on Aug 28, 2009 7:13 PM PDT up reply actions
3 ?
he’s going to need to win out to get a start in the post season imo
by Quinlan's Goofy Swing on Aug 28, 2009 7:14 PM PDT up reply actions
6 starts and allowed 1 R or less.
but i get where your coming from.
They want power, We want respect...
by SenorChuckles on Aug 28, 2009 7:17 PM PDT up reply actions
Rays game over!
The time is out of joint; oh cursed spite, that ever I was born to set it right.
by chairmanofthebar on Aug 28, 2009 7:10 PM PDT reply actions
Waiting SUCKS
This team is our extended family, That's why we love them no matter what the record, no matter what the score.
by halofan4life on Aug 28, 2009 7:15 PM PDT up reply actions
BALLS!!!!!
I wanna know NOW!
The time is out of joint; oh cursed spite, that ever I was born to set it right.
by chairmanofthebar on Aug 28, 2009 7:15 PM PDT up reply actions
They bumped up the "no deal" article to a lead at mlb.com
They also added the following quote to the piece.
Before the Angels’ game against the Athletics on Friday night, manager Mike Scioscia said: “There’s a lot of speculation out there but there’s nothing really to talk about. We don’t talk about specific players. There’s nothing imminent.”
I know, right?
I mean, there’s party lines and formalities, sure, but to be this openly untruthful about it is unbecoming a Soth…
RIP Nick Adenhart.
"When the Babe tries to call his shot, I hope Nick puts one in his ear."
--RallyMonkey5
Where???
The time is out of joint; oh cursed spite, that ever I was born to set it right.
by chairmanofthebar on Aug 28, 2009 7:21 PM PDT up reply actions
Look at the Rev!!!
Big man coming through with the breaking news…. atta boy, love it.
Rays Postgame Announced it
Somber broadcaster was wishing him well and discussing hte psychology of being traded. DEFINITELY CONFIRMED
RIGHT NOW!!!!!
The time is out of joint; oh cursed spite, that ever I was born to set it right.
by chairmanofthebar on Aug 28, 2009 7:24 PM PDT up reply actions
JUST HEARD IT FROM PHYZZ HOLE
The time is out of joint; oh cursed spite, that ever I was born to set it right.
by chairmanofthebar on Aug 28, 2009 7:24 PM PDT reply actions
Yes
The time is out of joint; oh cursed spite, that ever I was born to set it right.
by chairmanofthebar on Aug 28, 2009 7:26 PM PDT up reply actions
Will it be a minor leaguer, though?
The time is out of joint; oh cursed spite, that ever I was born to set it right.
by chairmanofthebar on Aug 28, 2009 7:30 PM PDT up reply actions
If I had to guess...
The poor, unnamed soul is likely a minor leaguer stuck on a bus somewhere.
The Rays were probably given a list of lower level prospects and have a certain amount of time to make choice.
This was a good deal in my eyes
A great deal, maybe. I guess time will tell.
The time is out of joint; oh cursed spite, that ever I was born to set it right.
by chairmanofthebar on Aug 28, 2009 7:28 PM PDT reply actions
ST. PETERSBURG, FL—-The Tampa Bay Rays have traded left-handed pitcher Scott Kazmir to the Los Angeles Angels of Anaheim in exchange for left-handed pitcher Alex Torres, third baseman Matt Sweeney and a player to be named later.
Kazmir, 25, is 8-7 with a 5.92 ERA (111-IP, 73-ER) in 2009, his sixth season (fifth full season) in the majors. He leaves Tampa Bay as the franchise’s all-time leader in wins (55), innings pitched (834), strikeouts (874), starts (144) and quality starts (71). Kazmir is the only pitcher to be named to two All-Star Games as a Ray. He was acquired from the New York Mets on July 30, 2004, along with right-handed pitcher Jose Diaz in exchange for right-handed pitchers Victor Zambrano and Bartolome Fortunato.
Torres, 21, is a combined 13-4 with a 2.75 ERA (147.1-IP, 45-ER) in 26 appearances (24 starts) between Rancho Cucamonga and Arkansas (AA) this season. He went 10-3 with a 2.74 ERA (121.1-IP, 37-ER) for Rancho Cucamonga, earning California League All-Star honors and a July 31 promotion to Arkansas, where he went 3-1 with a 2.77 ERA (26-IP, 8-ER). Overall he has 149 strikeouts in 147.1 innings, while limiting opponents to only four home runs and 116 hits, good for a .222 opponents’ average. The Valencia, Venezuela native will report to Montgomery (AA).
Sweeney, 21, hit .299 (63-for-211) this season for Rancho Cucamonga (A) with nine homers, 44 RBI, a .379 on-base pct. and .517 slugging pct. while playing third base and designated hitter. The left-handed hitter was sidelined the entire 2008 season while recovering from ankle surgery, and this year spent more than two months on the disabled list with a right hip injury. The two-time minor league All-Star was selected in the eighth round of the 2006 June Draft out of Rockville, Md. He will report to Charlotte (A).
I don't like them at all.
I just don’t get bent out of shape when the win a regular season game against the White Sox.
Play Wood already. Willits sucks.
Just wanted to say 677 comments in.....
YAHOO!
Now that is Ninja baby! I like this deal. I like this deal. I like this deal.
W6G!
heath bell
Now bring in Heath Bell. Also, when I heard we made a trade today I was hoping GMjr was sent to Tampa. haha
by Ca1IFORNIA ANGELS on Aug 28, 2009 8:28 PM PDT up reply actions
bruin fans.
can’t even find the game thread…
We don't have a Bullpen. We have a Cowpen. Before we get to call it a Bullpen these guys gotta grow a pair.
From Tampa
Kaz move was a salary dump to keep Crawford next year. He is a very slow starter that gets stronger with confidence and innings…….he will never be a bullpen option.
Rays are deep in starting pitching in minors so the move made sense. We need a 1st baseman and it looks like we got one out of the deal in a year or two when Pena moves on ($$$ and BA). Kaz has lost a couple of MPH and control is very suspect, but he could be a very good add as he learns to pitch rather than throw now that velocity has gone down because of injuries…..only 25.
Solid deal
I was skeptical at first, because I, like a lot of you, wanted to hang on to Sweeney, but this is really a sound investment. Yeah his K’s are down, but the dude’s 25, we got him through 2012 at most, and it wasn’t too long ago that Kash was a menace in the AL East. It gives us a different look in the rotation, and the opportunity to have a 1-2 punch in him and Thunder Mountain to rival Haren and Webb at their best for Arizona…if you just kinda overlook the messy “new contract” and “hip issues” arguments. A lot to hope for, but great move nonetheless!
PTBNL?
Joe Madden stated that he was ecstatic about the PTBNL. My guess, it will be Reggie Willits. It was mentioned during the game the other night that Madden has long coveted Willits, this trade was held up at the last minute and an additional player was added. Seems to make sense imo. Not bothered by this if true, love his energy, but Reggie would never crack the Halo lineup.
Just so long as it's not Wood
Reagins seemed to be preparing everyone for a bombshell when he was on the air with Reagins.
RIP Nick Adenhart.
"When the Babe tries to call his shot, I hope Nick puts one in his ear."
--RallyMonkey5
Er, Smith.
RIP Nick Adenhart.
"When the Babe tries to call his shot, I hope Nick puts one in his ear."
--RallyMonkey5
I just saw that...
…and I’m a touch concerned. That could change the face of this deal-unless it IS Reggie, which just makes it better.
by LittleCupcakes on Aug 29, 2009 12:14 AM PDT up reply actions
Just my thoughts but...
No way Maddon is so excited about the PTBNL if its Reggie. Its gotta be someone of vaue in our Minors system that we arent going to like being named…gut feeling.
Free Brandon Wood!
A Fair Deal
I’ll say it up front—I’m a Rays fan, but have some past loyalties to the Angels too, so I’ve got some mixed feelings about the trade.
Overall, it makes sense for both teams. For the Angels, I think Kazmir will be better than bullpen fodder, and better than the #5 as some seem to think. His fastball is down from a steady 94 to more like 90-92, and his wicked slider is not the same as in 2007. But he can be dominating against good teams, and he’s proven he can work through adversity. I think pairing him with Butcher instead of Hickey is an upgrade for Kaz’ psyche. But he was a team player—loved Maddon and respected the Rays organization—and will fit in fine with the Angels. On the Rays he was a #2 starter with a solid rotation of very solid (but mostly underachieving) Shields, Garza, Price, Niemann. This year, oddly, Niemann—the rookie #5—is having the best year of the bunch, and that is why the Rays may not make the playoffs. The loss of Kaz will not significantly effect the Rays.
For the Angles, he has the talent to be a #2 or 3, but could easily be a #4, a big upgrade for the Angels—fans should not be worried from a quality standpoint. He has pitch count issues, and can be fragile. He may have already peaked at 25, then again, he is only 25, and in different hands could do well. Remember, this was a guy who was the number #1 on a bad team, and still led the majors in Ks, went 13-9 with a solid ERA in 2007. The Rays won 66 that year. This move has to help the Angels this year.
That said, the Rays have been very crafty in trades since Friedman et al have taken over. With few exceptions, they have gotten the better end of the deals they’ve made. Garza and Bartleet for Young stands out, but they also got Zobrist as a sleeper from Houston—a thrown in it seemed—in the Huff trade. Dan Wheller came in that trade too—an off year this year, but very solid last year. Navarro is a serviceable remnant in a trade that went nowhere for the Godgers, and though the Jackson deal to Detroit looks good for the Tigers, watch Matt Joyce next year. This one will also look good for TB. The Rays have proven adept at scouting unproven talent, and while I don’t know much about the the two they’ve gotten so far (except what I’ve read online), their upside looks pretty good, and the Rays may have caught them before their value blossomed.
Either way, the Rays would have likely moved Kaz in the offseason.
I do think that Joe Maddon has proven to be highly adept in working with young players—he had all those years in player development for the Angels—and this is a big factor in how the Rays make deals.
Score this one an immediate hit for the Angels, but a bigger potential upside for the Rays.
I like the deal both ways…
…best of luck to the Angels down the stretch…
Let's not forget that Maddon was the one who
suggested that we sign Steve Finley.
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