Joe Saunders Injured In Angels Defeat
by Rev Halofan on Aug 7, 2009 10:38 PM PDT
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Final Score in Los Angeles of Anaheim: Rangers 11, Angels 6
Pitcher Joe Saunders had another short, bad outing for the Angels, one from which the Halos could not come back. But it has been revealed that the culprit was not the former All-Star's grit levels, heart or desire to win. No, the Lefthander has been diagnosed with a strained shoulder and was placed on the Disabled List ten seconds after tonight's game ended. Reliever Jose Arredondo will be in Anaheim tomorrow. But just as the injury news was being announced late in the game, pitcher Shane Loux's 4 innings of 1 ER ball seemed to be a glimmer of hope amid the wreckage. Loux seesm to be the logical candidate to take Saunders' spot in the rotation.
Saturday's game was all Rangers, despite an exciting Maicer Izturis 3-Run Homer in a 4-Run 7th inning, which at least forced Texas "manager" Ron Washington to exhaust Neftali Feliz, who ended up throwing 28 pitches, only 23 of which broke the sound barrier with none even close to the speed of light, so so much for all the hype, right?
Angels "reliever" Justin Speier might have ended his carer on the same night as Saunders, Giambi, Padilla and Smoltz with an inning that saw him surrender 3 solo HRs to Michael Young (probable), Taylor Teagarden (who makes Mario Mendoza looks like Babe Ruth so WTF, Justin) and Omar Vizquel (a 43-year old infield glove).
If the game had ben reasonably close, you can bet the miserable home plate umpiring of Bill "fistbump" Hohn would have been the subject of criticism. At one point, he consulted THE CATCHER to rule on a foul tip. You know, because the opponent is so damn objective about close plays. Even Mumbling Mark Gubicza split his lps into coherency and remarked that he had never ever seen that in a baseball game in his whole life. When the MLB finally gets a Tim Donaghy-style scandal ... Dave Parker's cocaine and David Ortiz' steroids are going to look like jacuzzis compared to the tsunami that is on it's way.
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Why!!! Why!!!! Why!!! Didn't he tell someone he was injured?
by angelsfan777 on Aug 7, 2009 10:40 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
They never do. None of them. They go out to the mound and pitch until they drop.
Hey la, hey, Halo...
by 44FAN on Aug 7, 2009 10:57 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Is it pride? Or just dumb pig-headedness?
THIS… IS… ANAHEIM!!
by opiejeanne on Aug 7, 2009 11:21 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Pride, responsibility, doing what they are paid a lot to do, not wanting to reveal any weakness,
not wanting to lose, or be responsible for losing and letting the team down, not wanting to hurt their own value as a player by being injured, show that they are tuff by playing through an injury.
Hey la, hey, Halo...
by 44FAN on Aug 7, 2009 11:39 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
they are taught to be tough and have seen injuries that look like little things derail a career
so they think they can fight through it and end up making things worse
R.I.P. #34
R.I.P. JJ
W6G...Go Halos!!
by sctrojan13 on Aug 7, 2009 11:42 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Pitchers are like cats
Illness is a sign of vulnerability in the wild, so they mask any problems as long as they can.
by rspencer on Aug 8, 2009 12:39 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Joe has been coughing hairballs
the past few starts…
by Rev Halofan on Aug 8, 2009 12:40 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Past few months.
RIP Nick...
Jim Scully
Jim Scully Home
by jimmuscomp on Aug 8, 2009 8:01 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
turn the page
Godspeed Nick - RIP - 1986-2009
by norcaliangelsfan on Aug 7, 2009 10:40 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
thank you Bob Segar
When I'm not at the stadium, I'd rather be watching my Halos back in Costa Rica!
by Dono Romantico on Aug 7, 2009 10:41 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
This time Saundes has an excuse
When I'm not at the stadium, I'd rather be watching my Halos back in Costa Rica!
by Dono Romantico on Aug 7, 2009 10:40 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Please let Speier go.
-- RIP Nick Adenhart
by mjhsieh on Aug 7, 2009 10:41 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
SPEIER IS STAYING
Loux will be the 5th starter
Pen Order is:
Fuentes – Frankie
Bulger – Shields ’05
Jepsen – Donnelly ’04
Oliver – down by 2, 1 or tied, 5th or later or late inning situational lefty
Arredondo – same as Oliver but more leverage to audition for a later inning HOLD role
Speier – down by 3 or more late
Palmer – down by 4 or more early
by Rev Halofan on Aug 7, 2009 11:38 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
is the loux thing a fact?
or is that just speculation
R.I.P. #34
R.I.P. JJ
W6G...Go Halos!!
by sctrojan13 on Aug 7, 2009 11:43 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Looks like sound speculation to me
At least for now. If Loux falters, I imagine SOS will be brought up.
by rspencer on Aug 8, 2009 12:41 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Physioc has confirmed Joe Saunders has been sent to the DL.
Jose Arredondo has been called up from AAA Salt Lake.
Hey la, hey, Halo...
by 44FAN on Aug 8, 2009 1:09 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
this makes me sad
2009 Angels Season: Let's Do This For Nick
by trojanangelfan on Aug 8, 2009 12:12 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
im sick of seeing speier...
dude just seems to not give an F… “oh im in the game and we’re losing… whats another 3 HR’s gonna do ha ha ha?” F U speier
Meet me @ the budweiser patio
by BigBangRobbDawgg on Aug 7, 2009 10:42 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I feel like if the Angels were completely honest
They would say they put Saunders on the DL for shitty play. They just want to get him out of the rotation without embarrassing him. He’s really taken a turn for the worse these days. I hate watching him pitch.
R.I.P.N.A.
by TheAngelsAngels on Aug 7, 2009 10:43 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
that sucks for whoevers cargo that was
WE WILL WIN WITH WHAT WE GOT.
R.I.P. Nick Adenhart, Marquis Cooper, Steve McNair, and Frank Grimes, or Grimey, as he liked to be called
by JoseGuillenSux on Aug 7, 2009 10:46 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
then the angels pitching staff sucks
not that we didn’t already know that
WE WILL WIN WITH WHAT WE GOT.
R.I.P. Nick Adenhart, Marquis Cooper, Steve McNair, and Frank Grimes, or Grimey, as he liked to be called
by JoseGuillenSux on Aug 7, 2009 10:49 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
holy crap...
this shit is scary looking…dont post this again.
Do it for Nick '09
by BryanHarvey'sMoustache on Aug 7, 2009 10:50 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hud on the postgame
Discussing Philly getting Cliff Lee: “With all the Angels arms on the farm they should be able to get a pitcher in a trade…”
All farm arms are not created equal. Our farm arms are just not as great as those in many systems AND we ought to think about keeping the ones that ARE good, yeah?
by Rev Halofan on Aug 7, 2009 10:46 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
wait, are you actually taking the time to argue a point by Hud?
dont waste your time…
Do it for Nick '09
by BryanHarvey'sMoustache on Aug 7, 2009 10:49 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Glad i missed this suckfest
Realistically, though, we only had a chance to take 2 of 3 anyway with Saunders starting game 1.
NA 34
by blochead on Aug 7, 2009 10:49 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Who does he get replaced with?
Better to have him at this point, when the alternative is to rush yet another AA (or even single A now) pitcher and possibly jeopardize their development….
RIP Nick Adenhart.
"When the Babe tries to call his shot, I hope Nick puts one in his ear."
--RallyMonkey5
by Clutch on Aug 7, 2009 11:16 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
anything would be better than Speier at this point ANYTHING
My suggestions are Mosebach or Rafael Rodriguez, but i think some solid relievers could be picked up via waiver wire and by “solid” i mean anyone that is not named Justin Speier.
NA 34
by blochead on Aug 7, 2009 11:33 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Rafael Rodriguez is beyond horrible in the bigs.
Not ready at all.
Wouldn’t miind seeing Mosebach a little more…was impressed the first time I saw him.
What do you need a fancy suit for, Charlie, you ain't got no job to wear it to.
by clover_black on Aug 8, 2009 12:07 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He stunk too
Based on what they are paying Speier my assumption is that they stick with him.
by Rev Halofan on Aug 8, 2009 12:13 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
What about the likes of Jose Arrondondo....
LOL….
Do it for Nick '09
by BryanHarvey'sMoustache on Aug 8, 2009 7:57 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Seriously
Smoltz, Prior, Ryan all better than Speier at this point.
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by matthiasstephan on Aug 8, 2009 1:43 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
No they aren't.
Prior can’t throw. Ryan has been released twice and Smoltz had the Escobar surgery last year. Speier is bad – bit better than all of those guys. They are seriously injured.
Maybe Ryan if he is healthy.
RIP Nick...
Jim Scully
Jim Scully Home
by jimmuscomp on Aug 8, 2009 8:05 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
Injury my ass...
I doubt that.
Do it for Nick '09
by BryanHarvey'sMoustache on Aug 7, 2009 10:51 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
The injury being that he sucks balls
he should go on the DL for being crapppy pitcher.
NA 34
by blochead on Aug 7, 2009 10:53 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
thats why he is going
he is not hurt, he just sucks, we see this all the time, a pitcher seems to get hurt just as he’s sucking if the team doesnt want to get rid of him
hopefully a little rest and some aa and aaa ball will help
i was just thinking this morning that i hoped this happened
R.I.P. #34
R.I.P. JJ
W6G...Go Halos!!
by sctrojan13 on Aug 7, 2009 10:57 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Saunders all the way
I had barely sat down and taken my first sip of beer before he gave up 4 runs in the first. I turned to my wife and said, “Luckily these tickets were free tonight or I never would’ve came to this game”. That’s the kind of pitcher Saunders has turned into. It hurts me to say that because he was nails last season. Argh…
The time is out of joint; oh cursed spite, that ever I was born to set it right.
by chairmanofthebar on Aug 7, 2009 10:52 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
A bad day at the ballpark beats a bad day at the office any day.
I love this team.
by Downing Rules on Aug 8, 2009 6:53 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Pretty obvious for awhile that Saunders hasn't been fully healthy for awhile
I mean look back in his start in the playoffs. The guy was throwing 94. He lost a decent amount of velocity to say the least after his great first couple of months.
He wasn’t winning with smoke and mirrors. When healthy he’s got great stuff and command. Hope you get healthy soon Joe, but shoulder injuries SUCK. This is not good Angels fans.
by MH252525 on Aug 7, 2009 10:59 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Hopefully Saunders didn't go for so long without telling anyone that he's now injured beyond repair...
RIP Nick Adenhart.
"When the Babe tries to call his shot, I hope Nick puts one in his ear."
--RallyMonkey5
by Clutch on Aug 7, 2009 11:17 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Saunders did look like he was in pain pitching tonight.
Looked like he had the flu too.
Hey la, hey, Halo...
by 44FAN on Aug 7, 2009 11:21 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
totally agree.
i firmly believe, despite “statistical evidence” (the same kind of statistics that say the Angels have been lucky for what, the last 8 years?), that Saunders is a very good pitcher. I’m actually glad he’s hitting the DL, gives him a chance to get ready for a postseason run.
Napoli IS the power bat in 2009. Watch.
by 101halo on Aug 8, 2009 1:16 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
how can u vote speier
i mean he sucks and should be dfa’d but this game goes on saundo’s shoulders
5 ER in 1 2/3 and he left 2 runners on, this is all him
is it crazy to think padilla would be a good option?
R.I.P. #34
R.I.P. JJ
W6G...Go Halos!!
by sctrojan13 on Aug 7, 2009 11:00 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
hell his ugly ass is pitching better than saundo
WE WILL WIN WITH WHAT WE GOT.
R.I.P. Nick Adenhart, Marquis Cooper, Steve McNair, and Frank Grimes, or Grimey, as he liked to be called
by JoseGuillenSux on Aug 7, 2009 11:03 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
since june 30
saundo had the worst era in baseball
before his game of 27+ tonight
from what i heard in the pregame, it was a chemistry issue so maybe padilla would thrive pitching against his former team
R.I.P. #34
R.I.P. JJ
W6G...Go Halos!!
by sctrojan13 on Aug 7, 2009 11:12 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
chemistry?
Padilla’s team mates got sick and tired of being retaliated against every time he decided it would be fun to hit an opposing batter with a pitch. Stuff gets old after a while.
Hey la, hey, Halo...
by 44FAN on Aug 7, 2009 11:19 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The guy was a total douche
He will not be missed by his teammates or the fans. Just the other day he was cracking up in the clubhouse when one of his fellow teammates got plunked. Not exactly a high character guy that Soth seems to prefer.
NA 34
by blochead on Aug 7, 2009 11:36 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
thats all this team needs
swine flu…
R.I.P.N.A.
by TheAngelsAngels on Aug 8, 2009 2:08 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I saw why Padilla got released.
He plunked a batter. The other team retaliated by plunking Michael Young. The umpire gives both sides the warning, the camera pans to Padilla, and he is laughing and mocking the umpire giving the warning. The Rangers announcer kept going back to it saying how they couldn’t believe Padilla was laughing about getting the warning, especially since his teammate just ate a pitch for him. That guy has no desire. Say what you want about Speier, but you’ll never see him laughing and smiling after giving up 3 homers, I’ve witnessed Padilla do it in Oakland. F that guy in the face.
by Quinlan's Goofy Swing on Aug 8, 2009 11:07 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
quote by saundo
“i’d pitch on a broken leg if i’d had to”
….
WE WILL WIN WITH WHAT WE GOT.
R.I.P. Nick Adenhart, Marquis Cooper, Steve McNair, and Frank Grimes, or Grimey, as he liked to be called
by JoseGuillenSux on Aug 7, 2009 11:04 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
This one deserves a Co-Bum of the Game
Keep your head up Colonel, however Speier is DFA ready.
Let the Halo power flow...
by HALO N BRIMSTONE on Aug 7, 2009 11:06 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
considering we are still in first place
i want the rangers to make the playoffs, because they will lose in the first round and they can keep the red sox* out
R.I.P. #34
R.I.P. JJ
W6G...Go Halos!!
by sctrojan13 on Aug 7, 2009 11:06 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Arredondo can't come up any sooner.
What do you need a fancy suit for, Charlie, you ain't got no job to wear it to.
by clover_black on Aug 7, 2009 11:09 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Interestingly
Speier is actually pitching better this year than last, and is almost league average with an ERA + of 98 (100 = average). I’d say he still has a ways to go, but, tonight’s performance aside, DFA’ing him at this point seems counter-productive—especially given that the rest of the rotation and bullpen are still struggling, AND Arredondo was just called up to replace Saunders, so there’s no clear replacement for Speier, unless a hitter such as Brandon Wood replaces him. Hard to say. Maybe he goes when Torii comes off the DL?
RIP Nick Adenhart.
"When the Babe tries to call his shot, I hope Nick puts one in his ear."
--RallyMonkey5
by Clutch on Aug 7, 2009 11:22 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
if they didnt dfa him after he allowed what, 13 straight batters to reach base
I don’t see them ever releasing him, unless he questions mike scioscia.
that’s the only way to get a timeout on this team
by Quinlan's Goofy Swing on Aug 8, 2009 11:08 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Haha
Yeah, I don’t see him getting DFA’d. Maybe hope he turns it around a bit and then package him up as part of a trade in the offseason to a team looking for a serviceable 1-year rental. He’s been so good for so long before these past two years, though, that you really wonder if he’s hurt, just in a prolonged slump, or just plain out of gas. I’d hate to see him end his career ignomniously.
RIP Nick Adenhart.
"When the Babe tries to call his shot, I hope Nick puts one in his ear."
--RallyMonkey5
by Clutch on Aug 8, 2009 12:22 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I feel bad for Joe
but I have to admit to being a little excited..Ive always been a big fan of Loux. I hope he gets the opportunity.
Tell your statistics to shut up
by HaloDutch on Aug 8, 2009 12:00 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
i nominate myself for BoTG...
i went to dodger stadium when the halos were in town. it hurt seeing the out of town scoreboard. i was neutral but did clap when GA tied it with a base hit in the top of the 9th. i will NEVER EVER make this mistake again.
by SCHalo on Aug 8, 2009 12:06 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
heres the question...
did you pay for the ticket or did you go for free??
haha I am just kidding, we all make mistakes sometimes
2009 Angels Season: Let's Do This For Nick
by trojanangelfan on Aug 8, 2009 12:16 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
If you clapped for the visiting team, you were obviously not in the bleachers.
I love this team.
by Downing Rules on Aug 8, 2009 6:54 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
LOL, i did go for free.
sat in section 168, reserve i think.
by SCHalo on Aug 8, 2009 11:34 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
In OT, Frankie gives up a walk-off GS.........
RIP Nick Adenhart 4/9/09
by vlad IS my man on Aug 8, 2009 1:04 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
D L sounds like a blessing.
I’ve read posts here about how Howie was underperforming because he had a child. Saunders was similarilly blessed last year and pitched like an all-star. So take this this time Joe and get busy. Horizontal therapy is the answer, or go Kobe style.
Who goofed? I've got to know.
by hittheg on Aug 8, 2009 2:23 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
No question there was something wrong with Joe this year
Saunder’s ineffectiveness this season is explainable. As per today’s LA times, there has been tightness in his shoulder all year. Clearly, you can see the effect as there has been a drop in velocity for Joe this year. Below is the velocity chart for Joe’s fastball covering his starts in 2007, 2008 and 2009.
by Fan Since 1981 on Aug 8, 2009 5:04 AM PDT reply actions 2 recs
On that bogus foul-tip against Izzy,
Were Rory and Gubi right? Did the umpire really ask the catcher what he thought?
Angels baseball. We do what we must, because we can -- HaloDutch
by red floyd on Aug 8, 2009 7:39 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
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