Sean Rodriguez is PTBNL in Angels Scott Kazmir Trade

If you listened to my appearance on Biggsy yesterday you would have already known this.

now IF Kazmir retutns to 2008 form

If Kazmir continues to return to his previous form, this is still an excellent deal for us, it fills a hole that has been somewhat worrying me ever since we lost Nick. Now obviously, if S-Rod turns into a megastar and Kazmir puts up 5 ERA’s the next 2 years, we look like idiots, but as always, to get quality you have to give quality, and quite frankly we hadn’t really given enough, we looked the clear winner no matter what.

There was no where in the next three years for S-rod to play. 2b is covered with Izzy and Howie, 3b is covered by Wood, SS is not an option. Although we have some holes in the OF, he is not an outfielder.

Good trade we use organizational depth to trade for an Org weakness SP. We get a top of the rotation type pitcher for two years to fill our #4 or #5 spot. I am excited to have him in the rotation this year eating up the #5 spot that has been awful with Osully and Bell. Not too mention a good young rotation the next two years assuming Lackey is gone. Weaver, Saundo, Santana, Kazmir and ???. Gives others a chance to audition for the #5 spot (Palmer, Osully and Bell)

Well done Ninja. I did think we would end up with sime sort of Bully arm on the waiver wire last night. But lets win with what we got

Kazmir HAS to regain his form for this to be even a decent trade for the Angels. And given how Kazmir has looked this year (and even some last year), that’s a BIG if.

Kazmir’s a valuable asset, but the Angels overpaid. The chances that one of the other two prospects works out is probably less than 50%. But now that you throw S-Rod in there, chances are that Tampa Bay is going to have at least one good regular at very cheap cost.

I know we didn’t have many options, but man…I dunno. I have the feeling we’re gonna end up getting hosed on this one. S-Rod could play anywhere on the diamond.

If Kazmir ends up ace-level over the next few seasons, it might work out, but given that we also gave up Torres and Sweeney… this one cost us. It’s not gonna be like Kotchman for Teix. If we lose on this, we lose BIG. The only way we win is if Kaz helps deliver a ring.

Maybe I’m the ever present optimist, but I don’t see this as a bad trade. I really hope Kazmir pitches lights out forcing a lot of you doubting Thomas’ to eat crow.

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oh well.

"We feel we gave up a lot in moving Sean," Reagins said. "He’ s a quality baseball player and a baseball player in the true sense of the word. Very intelligent, great instincts, able to play multiple positions — I think that’s what made him attractive to the Rays. But with the depth we have in the middle infield we felt it was a move we could afford to make."
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for the amount of faith that fans place in prospects.

But this is OK, too, just not as great.

I just don’t see S-Rod otherwise having a future in this organization. Yes, TR should have gotten more for him, and it’s weird that he was packaged with two others, but so it goes.

And only a guess:

1) The Angels move heavena and earth to sign Figgins.
2) Assuming (1) comes to pass, the team then trades Kendrick for a key piece of the puzzle, maybe part of a trade for Halladay or a similar front-line pitcher
3) Figgins goes to 2B, Wood to 3B
4) Lackey plies his trade elsewhere
5) Abreu signs a two-plus-option deal to stay
6) Vlad is retained, either through arbitration or economical multi-year deal
7) The world continues to spin

good luck

Please remember this: Scott Kazmir’s best season ever was when Mike Butcher was the pitching coach in Tampa.

I am sure Butcher made the push for this trade more possible by saying he believed he could do something to get a little bit more out of Kaz.

And you can bet that the Angels looked thru the medical records with the best medical advisors in the sports medicine field.

I say it does. And I understand about how developing cheap talent creates opportunities to pay for “premium” players, but the opportunity to win the World Series is now.

I’m not saying let the next generation of Angel fans pay the debt of the 2009 season, but it seems like the last few years, the Angel front office knows what they’re doing. If S-Rod becomes Chase Utley 2.0 in 2011, good for the Rays. In 2011, we’ll be talking about the next group of middle infielders being blocked by Kendrick, Aybar, Wood, and Izturis (or possibly Chase Utley 1.0).

And hopefully, we’ll be talking about the second Angels world championship.

I was hoping to see a lot of S-Rod in LF next year, though that was on the assumption that Figgy will walk. Now I’m not so sure we’ll let him go — I can see signing him for a hometown discount, giving him a LF glove, and having Rivera & a re-signed Abreu split RF/DH.

No matter what happens, our roster will be more expensive, and our outfield defense will continue to suck.

On the bright side, we have a better chance of winning this year, plus some decent Lackey insurance, and the possibility that Kazmir may find his 2005-08 form.

Here’s hoping he does well, except against the Halos.

We have a better chance at winning in the post season this year and now we don’t have to grossly overpay for Big John. I guess there is also a good chance that Kaz starts pitching like he used to with Butch helping out.

However, I have a bad feeling about this trade. These 3 guys can better than league average major leaguers. I was hoping the third guy was Wilson or Evans or Pettit. Rodriguez fit our club very well. Lots of versatility, hard worker, homegrown, good fundamentals. Hope Kazmir can pitch like an ace this October.

I’d rather have lost Wood. I just don’t like Kazmir for this team. Whatever. He better continue well.

I realized this would happen when Sean wasn’t called up to from AAA today. I thought the Rays would pick up Bobby Wilson instead, since they already have a good set of middle infielders, but it works out. The Angels need a defensive catcher more than another middle infielder (if Jeff Mathis is your idea of a defensive catcher, I can recommend an optometrist).

Rodriguez is stuck behind Figgins, Aybar, Izturis, Kendrick, and Wood as it is. Who knows how long it could be before the Angels have a starting spot available at 2B or SS. Hopefully the kid now gets a chance in the big leagues. He’s earned it.

I’ve been watching and rooting for this guy for awhile. Hes a flordian though and will get a chance to play everyday. Good luck to him…Hope we dont regret it.

1. As WiHaloFan said above – the major league club is better now, we are more likely to win this year, I think this is certain
2. We can’t keep sitting on middle infielders – if you can turn one into a top-quality 25 year old arm (even one with inherent risk), I’m not going to argue
3. Proven major league pitching > unproven minor league hitting

Having said that, the potential long-term down-side on the trade is greater than the potential upside, but, we’re not the Royals and we’re not the Rays – we can afford to take that risk.

If you don’t have a shy, you’re never going to win a coconut

S-Rod isnt gonna be getting everyday AB’s for us this year or next and he’s done all he can at AAA…….

once again….its all Figgy’s fault lol.

But thats okay.

What was so bad about Stoneman again?

So far we have gave too much in this trade. Took a huge contract for an average (this year) injury plagued pitcher and gave up 2 blue chips and 1 High Level Prospect. If Kazmir starts pitching to his potential then maybe it will even out.

They addressed a big issue for the rest of the season, and also don’t have to worry about him leaving for a few years. Injury issues are with every pitcher. Just look at Ervin, Lackey the last 2 years, Saunders, Escobar etc. Unless Kazmir is unable to pitch in the playoffs this year due to injury, I like the trade even if it included a guy who has looked clueless against major league pitching. Ii like the risk, and I am glad they weren’t serious about winning with what they had.

This one is going to sting for years. Bad trade.

Kazmir is younger than anyone in our infield, remember. Still time to develop and hit his prime, and he is an elite starter when he’s healthy. To give up 3 prospects for that is exceptionally good. S-Rod has tremendous upside, but a MASSIVE hole in his swing that could hinder his abilities. He Ks more than Wood, who I still think projects much better.

We had extra infielders; they had extra starters

Probably a good trade for both teams.

A couple of points, though:
When Kazmir was the same age as Alexander Torres (21), Kazmir was making 32 major league starts, going 10-9 with a 3.77 ERA, along with 174 K’s. Torres’s age 21 season has included 152 K’s….in the California and Texas leagues. Torres is a nice prospect, while Kazmir is actually DOING it.

While Kazmir was the same age as Sean Rodriguez (24 – last year), Kazmir was going 12-8 and leading his team to the World Series. S-Rod was leading….well, SLC….nowhere. Sean’s a good prospect, no doubt, but Kazmir is a legitimate top of the rotation starter. One does not find those growing on trees; one rarely find those available at the young age of 25.

’Because they are blocking my ability to draw a 2, 3, and 4 of spades. And with my ace and 5 of spades, I would OWN this pot!"

I listened to Biggs program yesterday and he gave full credit to Rev Halofan for being the first to identify the PTBNL.

The death of Adenhart necessitated the move. The most promising young pitchers can’t be expected to be ready to step into starting roles next year, and I think Adenhart would have done better than the kids, Palmer, and Loux in emergency starting roles. Kazmir gives us the opportunity to excel in the playoffs and wait for the kids to be ready in two years. Hopefully he gives us at least three stellar years with the Halos.

I think Scioscia has already decided on Kendrick at 2B, Aybar at SS, and Wood at 3B in the future, so barring an injury I don’t think Sean Rodriguez would have been able to earn a starting job next Spring even if he outperformed the incumbents.

Had Adenhart not died, I think it’s very possible the Angels don’t do the Kazmir deal, surrender the prospects, and take on the contract.

For years Angel management has been criticized about being reluctant to pull the trigger on deals with regards to taking on salary and parting with promising young players.

The the Angels acquired Scott Kazmir.

It seems like so many fans were scared to death about giving up the PTBNL. Kind of a role reversal.

The team has succeeded in “Angelizing” the fan base. Now the fans have been converted to the club’s way of thinking!

After Kazmirs performance today, im feeling alot better about this trade

This was really a no-brainer and a very good trade for the Angels and the GM-Kazmir can help us now-We have a great line-up and have started no less than 15 pitchers this year and we still are the best in the League (sorry Yamkees-but we are) and Kazmir will only make us better-Lets just hope or bull-pen holds up—We will be in the World Sieries—and probably against the Dodgers and we will win it all this year-And Please-Please Let Mr Vin Scully (the best broadcaster that ever lived call the world sieries—please dont let the angels Hudler et all call anything) Broadcast the entire World Sieries—That being said the Angels will probably beat the Dodgers-and the Angels do deserve it—We need the DH in the NL now!!!!!!!!!!!!!!—-The Al is a much better league —-by far