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Chone Figgins with a Historic Season

Chone Figgins has to be the last player in the big leagues you'd ever want to walk.  The more power you have, the more pitchers will consider pitching around you, afraid of the damage you might cause.  Figgins is many things, but a power hitter sure isn't one of them.  He's the kind of player who is so unlikely to get Figgy with a longball that you'd expect a pitcher to just throw it down the middle on a 3 ball count.  David Eckstein was like this, he seemed like a patient hitter who avoided swinging at bad pitches, but didn't walk much because everyone made an effort to throw him strikes.

That's not the only reason to avoid walking him though.  With his speed, he can turn a walk into a triple.  Especially leading off an inning, a pitcher has to go into the PA thinking "I can't walk Figgins.  If he gets on, he has to hit his way on"

Somehow, in spite of all this Figgins has passed the 100 walk mark this season.  There have not been many speedy, non-power hitters to do this.  Since World War II, there have been only 6 seasons where a player hits fewer than 10 homers, steals 35 or more bases, and still takes 100 walks.  Three of those seasons belong to the greatest leadoff hitter of all time, Rickey Henderson.  He did it in 1980 and 1983 before he developed power, and as an old man in 1996.  Joe Morgan did it in 1970, this was before he joined the big red machine.  Hitting 8 homeruns in the 1970 Astrodome probably should be considered an impressive feat of power though.  Brett Butler did it for the 1991 Dodgers, and finally Figgins joined the club last night.

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Nice post.

Let's do this for Nick Adenhart, Courtney Stewart, and Henry Pearson.

by AlanFalcon on Sep 30, 2009 6:53 PM PDT reply actions  

I'm gonna miss him

I don’t think there’s much chance the Angels resign him with Wood more than ready. But I shouldn’t think about that. We’ve got a playoff series to win.

The HK-47 hitting droid is the finest line drive machine ever built

by RallyMonkey5 on Sep 30, 2009 7:12 PM PDT reply actions  

I don't think Wood is as good yet as everyone else does.

He’s got potential, but I just don’t think he’s ready.

THIS… IS… ANAHEIM!!

by opiejeanne on Sep 30, 2009 10:20 PM PDT up reply actions  

He has to prove it.

If Figgy goes, Wood will be backup first baseman and battle Iz for 3rd. It will be like Iz and Aybar. Took Aybar over a year to take SS permantly from Iz.

Of course, Howie better not get to comfortable cause if he falters Iz will take over.

Damn, what if Howie and Wood falters?

Resign Q!

Angel Pitching, Angel Defense - get past that.

by vladtheimpaler on Oct 1, 2009 1:02 AM PDT up reply actions  

Lol at the last line

"Figgins' OBP is still over 40!" -Steve Physioc

by Figgi4life on Oct 1, 2009 7:41 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions  

umm

yeah! LOL

"This is a guy who is a combination of great courage and, nuts!"- Steve Physioc

by Brian S (brianguy) on Oct 1, 2009 10:58 AM PDT up reply actions  

I hope he's ready

Because Wood isn’t a kid anymore. He’ll turn 25 before the 2010 season starts. 2010 will be his eighth season in the organization. He’s spent most of three years in AAA. If he’s not ready in 2010, then he’s just not good enough and will never be ready.

Probably. There are always exceptions like late bloomers Nelson Cruz or Ryan Ludwick. But most players who are going to be good prove it pretty early.

The HK-47 hitting droid is the finest line drive machine ever built

by RallyMonkey5 on Oct 1, 2009 7:40 AM PDT up reply actions  

He might have been ready earlier, had he been given a full time job at 23. I would have played Wood over Izturis long ago. It was similar with Ryan Howard – he was ready for a full time job at 23 or 24, but Thome was sitting in his spot at first base.

Hopefully, Wood follows a similar career arc. Comes into the league “overdeveloped” and succeeds immediately.

I feel the need, the need...for speed!

by Gorbachav5 on Oct 1, 2009 1:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

It's amazing

It really takes a great approach for a hitter like Figgins to walk that much. It also makes him consistently more valuable to the team because even when he slumps or isn’t hitting for average, he is still getting on base, which is not something he necessarily did before last year.

The only other little guy I could think of in the entire league who would walk that much is Willits because he is patient and fouls off so many damn pitches. I think Willits led the league in pitches seen a couple of years ago and all the guys behind him were big time power hitters. He would have made a hell of a leadoff hitter for some team a few years ago (and he was for us for awhile), but sadly, his actual hitting skills seemed to have diminished in the past couple of years. Maybe with more consistent pt though, he could still be pretty solid in the future for some team.

by Spird on Sep 30, 2009 7:56 PM PDT reply actions  

Good points. The walks are critical.

Even when Figgins slumped with the stick, in April and September, his OBP was very solid, at .359 and .380 respectively. That’s amazingly consistent for a leadoff guy. Not a single month in the season where his OBP was under .359? Yowzers.

I would still way rather see Figgins in LF next year than WIllits, though.

by Turks Teeth on Oct 1, 2009 9:18 AM PDT up reply actions  

Willits is not good

He had a great run when he first came up, but that was because other teams had not figured him out. Now they essentially play 9 infielders against him and he can’t hit the ball over anyone’s head.

by Brody on Oct 1, 2009 11:44 AM PDT up reply actions  

yep

when he first came up, he seemed like another Eckstein at the plate (very difficult out, will cause you to throw 12 pitches more often than not), now he just seems like your average platoon guy.

I just like watching him crash into the fence constantly since he’s back up. notice Juan (who is not necessarily known for his fielding prowess, he’s just a good everyday LFer) never really has this problem. every fly ball to the track, and certain HRs the guy runs into the fence. does he think he’s Erstad or something?

"This is a guy who is a combination of great courage and, nuts!"- Steve Physioc

by Brian S (brianguy) on Oct 1, 2009 2:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

Excellent post.

I knew Figgy was having a career year, but historic? Very impressive. I’m sure he will come back to earth some, but with the way he’s respected by his peers and the leadership of the Angels PLUS his excellent work at 3B, I consider him a MUST re-sign. Brandon Wood? I have no idea. I’ve been hoping he’d break through somehow, but barring injury, trade, or loss via free agency, he’ll never bust through with the Angels.

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I want Andrew Thomas Gallo to be a pinata, and the Angels supply the bats...

Oh, and W6G.

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World's Longest Siggy Line, and it will continue to grow.

by Slasher52 on Sep 30, 2009 8:36 PM PDT reply actions  

Yes, an historic season.

Put the Prozac away, what you need is Rat Poison.

by brokenyard on Sep 30, 2009 9:40 PM PDT reply actions  

Ugh

Please no using “an” before words that start with an ‘h’. Bugs the crap out of me.

I feel the need, the need...for speed!

by Gorbachav5 on Oct 1, 2009 1:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

Some thought Figgy was getting too old

Turns out he’s like fine wine. Getting better with age.

Angel Pitching, Angel Defense - get past that.

by vladtheimpaler on Oct 1, 2009 1:03 AM PDT reply actions  

30....too old. wow

wow that’s the first I’ve heard of that. to anyone who said it or even thought it, all I can say is wow.

dude Bobby Abreu’s listed at 36 but he’s really like 37+ (and seemed to age 2 years this season alone, but that’s another post)… even Vlad’s got 3 years on Figgy. so I understand it when people say Vlad is getting old, because he’s been banged up and hobbling the last 3 years.

"This is a guy who is a combination of great courage and, nuts!"- Steve Physioc

by Brian S (brianguy) on Oct 1, 2009 10:57 AM PDT up reply actions  

Getting too old

I think you are mischaracterizing what has been said about Figgy. Nobody thinks that Figgy is too old to play at a high level right now. But many do think that he is too old to sign to a long-term deal given that one of his major skillsets is speed.

by Brody on Oct 1, 2009 11:46 AM PDT up reply actions  

I don't get this line of thinking.

Kenny Lofton, Ricky Henderson, Omar Vizquel, Bobby Abreu… all with plenty of speed into their mid-to-late 30’s (and Henderson even into his 40’s). Unless a guy gets fat (Tony Gwynn) or hurt (Vlad) I don’t see much proof that speed diminishes that greatly with age. Figgy won’t ever swipe 60 bases again, but with his on base skills he has plenty of speed to stay a productive lead off hitter for the next 3-4 years..

by dmhead on Oct 1, 2009 12:57 PM PDT up reply actions  

+1

the guy has many tools. he only USED to be purely a speed guy. now he’s many things, a guy who walks a lot, who can still steal many bases, and go 1st to 3rd, or home, like nobody’s business.

but now, he’s also an great everyday fielder at 3B (albeit with not much power, but we knew that going in).

"This is a guy who is a combination of great courage and, nuts!"- Steve Physioc

by Brian S (brianguy) on Oct 1, 2009 2:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

Figgins doesn't have any power

but he’s great at everything else you can do on a baseball field.

The HK-47 hitting droid is the finest line drive machine ever built

by RallyMonkey5 on Oct 1, 2009 7:09 PM PDT up reply actions  

Figgy is already significantly slower

His stolen base % is way lower than in past years: in 2005, Figgy had 62 steals and was caught 17 times (78.5%); in 2006, 52 to 16 (76.5%); in 2007, 41 to 12 (77.4%); in 2008, 34 to 13 (72.3%); this season, 42 to 17 (71.2%).

71-72% is terrible. Of the 30 leading base stealers, 27 of them have a higher rate of success than Figgy. Many of them are much higher (in the 80+% range).

Figgy clearly has lost a step. The numbers don’t lie. The question is whether his other skills — defense and on-base % — make up the difference. This is a difficult question, and in my view it depends on the number of years and the number of dollars that he demands.

by Brody on Oct 1, 2009 7:43 PM PDT up reply actions  

That analysis would make more sense if SB efficiency...

…was merely a product of speed. It isn’t. At age 25 and 26 (seasons you left out), his SB efficiency was comparable or worse to years ’08 or ’09.

SB efficiency is as much a product of good jumps, appropriate calls from the dugouts, pitcher moves, catcher arms, and the actions of the batter at the plate.

Four of Figgins’ caught-stealings were blown hit and run plays this season, and four others were pick-offs, where the assignment of the CS seems to often be the arbitrary call of the score. Only 9 of the 17 CS were cases where Figgins left the base and was tagged out as a result of the catcher’s throw.

Figgins still went first to third more times than any other player in the league. Why was he appropriately speedy and selective there, but increased his caught stealing rate elsewhere? Because a loss of speed was not th primary issue in Figgins’ caught-stealings this season. Sometimes it was circumstantial, sometimes it was bad jumps, and sometimes it he was legitimately beat to the base.

by Turks Teeth on Oct 1, 2009 8:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

Actually

The reason that Figgy has been picked off four times this year is because he is leaning toward 2nd trying to get a better jump. We can debate why he is doing that, but the reason most commonly identified is he needs an extra step to steal the base.

Leading the league in going 1st to 3rd is nothing to dismiss, so I won’t, but it also is not surprising given how the Angels are coached.

by Brody on Oct 2, 2009 2:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re-sign Figgins and Abreu.

The Angels will, as of tonight, have achieved their most productive season on offense in franchise history. Along with the emergence of Kendry Morales, Figgins and Abreu are the reasons for that. You put two guys capable of 100 runs and walks in a season at the top of your lineup, and stuff happens. Not to mention the 4.4 pitches per plate appearance they see on average.

Vladdy’s been a wonderful asset for us over his contract, but he’s a sub-800 OPS hitter now whose rare hot streaks are getting shorter as the years go by. I’d rather take a risk on more playing time for Wood and Napoli than to resign Vlad to DH.

Figgins to LF. Wood to 3B. Abreu and Napoli get more time at DH next year, with Rivera splitting time with Bobby in RF.

by Turks Teeth on Oct 1, 2009 9:30 AM PDT reply actions  

This ^

Good plan

I feel the need, the need...for speed!

by Gorbachav5 on Oct 1, 2009 1:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

I think you mean

“Get Figgy”

and

Big Red Machine.

but other than that, great read….. keep it up!

"This is a guy who is a combination of great courage and, nuts!"- Steve Physioc

by Brian S (brianguy) on Oct 1, 2009 10:55 AM PDT reply actions  

I've accussed Figgins of being over-rated around here...

but if you buy into the WAR statistic (wins above replacement), he’s easily the most valuable player on the team.

For perspective this years WAR stats:

Figgins: 6.1
Morales: 4.0
Hunter: 3.6
Aybar: 3.3
Rivera: 3.3

http://www.fangraphs.com/winss.aspx?team=Angels&pos=all&stats=bat&qual=0&type=6&season=2009&month=0

According to WAR Figgins was literally worth 6 wins to this team over some random joe playing third base.

by Nashdiesel on Oct 1, 2009 11:22 AM PDT reply actions  

for comparison

Dustin Pedroia was a 3.2 last season. Manny Ramirez was the only guy higher for the Red Sox in 2008, at 4.1.

so Figgins blows those guys (one who won AL MVP) out of the water, by giving us an extra 2-3 wins MORE than those guys gave their team in 2008. so again I say wow, just wow. resign him already and find a position for him. let Wood DH or something, unless he can learn to play the outfield. or if Vladdy wants to sign here for $1-2M less than anywhere else.

"This is a guy who is a combination of great courage and, nuts!"- Steve Physioc

by Brian S (brianguy) on Oct 1, 2009 2:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

NOTHIN'!

. . .or getting countries out of depressions. I forget which.

by rspencer on Oct 1, 2009 11:19 PM PDT up reply actions  

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