Halos Heaven Is Growing
by WiHaloFan on Sep 6, 2009 9:13 AM PDT
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I was over at angelswin.com this morning, reading their comments about Rev Halofan's video (not pretty), when I came across a comment from one of their users (he may be one of their moderators, but I don't know for sure) who goes by the name "blarg". His comment:
"This thread gave Halos Heaven over 3,200 views. I doubt they get that much attention on their own site per day."
I don't know if he was being serious or not, but it did get me wondering.
Was it true?
Both Rev and I have mentioned before that Halos Heaven uses an independent site meter that counts the number of visitors and page views (it's the little rainbow colored box at the bottom of the page), so it was pretty easy to see if "blarg" was right with his comment. Please note, visitors are counted once per day. If you're like me and come to this site 10 to 15 a day, those visits only count once in each 24 hour period in the daily visitor tally.
Here's the number of visits from referring sites:
According to this, angelswin sent us 15 visitors in the last 24 hours. Maybe "blarg" was referring to page views. Page views are the number of different pages a visitor goes to during their stay at Halos Heaven.
Looks like those 15 angelswin visitors looked around a little bit while they were here, but "blarg" was off by about 3173 views. I'm not trying to slam "blarg", just curious if his numbers were right.
Anyway, while looking through the sitemeter.com number for Halos Heaven I noticed a nice trend:
A nice upward trend. The number of UNIQUE visits to Halos Heaven has almost doubled over the course of this season with a little over 60,000 visitors in March to almost 120,000 visitors in July. I'll admit, the slight drop-off in August is discouraging, but the numbers for August were still very strong.
Here's the page view numbers:
Page view numbers are kind of hard to see graphically since sitemeter.com combines them with visitors, but if you look at the raw numbers the average visitor views 2.6 pages per visit.
Finally, here's a summary of Halos Heaven's traffic:
Over 25,000 unique visitors a week and almost 10,000 page views per day. Hard to argue with those numbers. And thanks to the best Angels fans, Halos Heaven is the #1 Angels site on the internet...and growing.
(Update: After posting this article, I nosed around a little more trying to find where "blarg" got his number. The post about Rev's video has had over 3200 views on angelswin. This is probably what "blarg" was referring to when he wrote the thread gave Halos Heaven 3200 views.)
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Monty Python
Reading the thread in question at angelswin reminded me of Life of Brian…
“Judean People’s Front?! No, we’re the People’s Front of Judea!”
“If there’s anyone we hate more than the Romans it’s the Judean People’s Front and the Judean Popular People’s Front!”
“And the People’s Front of Judea – splitters!”
"Death to the opposition!" - Commander Worf, First Baseman: The Niners
Their 3200 is a big lie as well
Go over there now and conduct this little experiment:
Find a post there with lots of comments and note the number of “views” a thread has. Click on it. You will see that there are any number of pages of comments. Click on each one. Go back to the message board page. There “views” number will now have added each page view you clicked. The main page’s number will now be the number of pages you clicked. So “Views” is a LIE when A-Holeswin uses it to imply lots of readers. IT really means a lot of no-lifers reading threads about nothing.
Oh and their message board technology is SO out of date, the “Views” counts every “refresh” a person clicks if they are in a thread and new posts have been added. This is absolute proof of how small and insignificant Chuck Richter’s site is. A small group of fatasses clicking the refresh button.
And did I ever tell you about the time Chuck raised hundreds of dollars from his sheep for a Nick Adenhart tribute and printed out a $1 laser print and set it in a $20 frame and told everyone how awesome he was?
HARD EIGHT
So are you saying...
if someone goes to the thread that has 5 pages and reads each page, the thread view count goes up by 5? So it’s not really counting the views each thread gets, but page views within the thread.
That number doesn’t seem relevant to anything if one visit to the thread can count for more than one view.
I do wish this site has a way to view an accurate number of views each thread gets. That’d be very helpful information.
Believe it
Once, I used to be active over there. It is a small community. Bored, I refreshed a thread with a few views and no comments almost a hundred times and each time it counted as a “view” Chuck there is an I.T. guy he knows how to manipulate numbers. Once, I posted a question about the numbers and a flood of bullshit followed, none of it verifiable at all, everythign in-house and semi-secret, wink-wink we are number one buddy believe it.
Obviously, Chuck is terrified at the real numbers of uniqe visitors being publicly known because his life’s work has amounted to a cliqe of no-lifer Republican shut-ins hitting the refresh button of very old site technology.
However, what inspired the Rev to make a video that has no redeeming social value and inspires Chuck’s twelve disciples to go on a witch hunt?
dont marry the bank teller
A large part of what I do involves Google Analytics reporting
There are very easy ways of counting specific page views, uniques, etc etc. If this is something you need help with, I’d be more than happy to help you guys set something up.
You are what you type.
A couple of points....
I’ve never cared for a website saying how many visitors or hits they get… it can be manipulated so easily. It’s like the Angels saying they “seat” a million fans per game. Technically they do. If each fan gets up and sits down 25 times on average they get a million seatings! Kids might be 50 times and think of all the times you get up to let someone by, cheer a great play or a score, bathrooms and concessions and a bunch more reasons. It’s a million seatings!
But as far as angelswin there are two things I noticed which indicate they really don’t get all that much unique traffic.
First, that thread that’s been stuck up near the top of the message board that asks you to vote on which site you use most for Angels content. The thread has been up there on top since February yet the poll has totaled just over 200 votes!
Another way is in comparing a thread on angelswin and one on the angelsbaseball message boards. The angelswin thread is titled “Countdown to 100” and the angelsbaseball thread is titled “Light up the Halo.” Each thread is renewed everytime the Angels win a game. The threads document a win. They are used in the exact same way only refreshed following an victory. But compare the number of posts and the number of views. Virtually identical! And we all know the angelsbaseball.com message board died long ago.
I think it’s funny watching all the competition between the fan sites over which is the best and all that but when it comes down to it…. if the entire Angel fan base were represented by a full Angel Stadium the number of them involved with being an online fan would probably fill a few rows in one section.
Sweet!
I joined in May of ’08 (almost a year and a half) and I know that for many on this site, I could still be considered a newbie…but even in the year and a half I have been here I have seen so many new names become regular contributors…
This site is the best for me since i dont live in So. Cal anymore…it baffles me that there are ACTUALLY that many halo fans out there…
Do it for Nick '09
by BryanHarvey'sMoustache on Sep 6, 2009 10:18 AM PDT reply actions
I don’t understand the animosity between the two sites, really. How do two sites that represent the exact same sports team, who’s members are fans of that team, most of whom are from the same geographical area and probably enjoy the same types of things end up at each other’s throats? I go to both sites, haven’t registered at angelswin, but I do prefer halosheaven, largely because the community seems more active and larger. Rev is usually quicker at giving game recaps than Chuck and the gameday threads usually attract FAR more people than the chatroom over at angelswin. Yeah, Rev goes off on his rants and the video wasn’t something I would have done, but all that stuff is entertaining and we need more characters in this world.
I think the animosity has died down a bit.
I don’t have a problem with their site although I’m banned from using it (I can still view the threads by using an anonymous web browser, but normally am forbidden from viewing their threads). They seem to have some knowledgeable fans too. I think it’s funny how basically, the commenters and fans have the same philosophy, but have such a different point of view.
In a perfect world the two sites could probably co-exist and benefit each other, but obviously we’re far from a perfect world.
Completely different styles.
Rev isn’t a suck up, never has been, never will be. Rev is the Jim Bouton of sports blogs.
Chuck is much more of a suck up, trading commentary (or rather, lack of biting commenary) for access…more like the sportswriters of old.
These differences are apparent and obvious to anyone that reads the content of each site. HH is far more open, honest, bawdy, inquisitive, and challenging.
I just visited angelswin
kind of cluttered. Not much direction IMO. Also, our minor league report is WAY better. All in all halosheaven is far superior.
First we had a Salmon and now we have a Trout, let's see the same results.
dude rghan
is the man for those reports
Aybar is a nowhere man, Sitting in his Nowhere Land, Making all his nowhere plans for nobody.
by princeton11loveshalos on Sep 6, 2009 9:00 PM PDT up reply actions
Found Halos Heaven first
Si had written about Athletics Nation back in 2005/2006 and I went to that site and wondered if there was an Angels site on sbnation since I saw that great community of Oakland fans. Luckily I scrolled around and came upon Halos Heaven and I’ve been here since 2006 (for some reason my page said march 2008, was that when the update was?).
I didn’t even know there were any online Angels fan communities, so I was excited right off the bat. There are a lot of animated comments on here—I got to witness the “JohnSamo” incidents first hand which probably led to my loyalty to this site.
In the end, I read about angelswin and decided to see what that was like, noticed their site was extremely archaic with the old message board system which is insanely difficult to navigate, ugly, etc. After viewing Angelswin, my loyalty to this site was reinforced because I truly think it is the best online angels community (at least for myself), I’m sure there are people on Angelswin that feel the same about their site, that’s how the internetz werkz with these web community rivalries I suppose haha.
I wouldn’t be surprised if their members jump their ship and go over here based on interface alone, it’s just so pretty here.
#34, never forget.
Yeah loved the video. Good entertainment.
First we had a Salmon and now we have a Trout, let's see the same results.
by angelskid2210 on Sep 6, 2009 12:09 PM PDT up reply actions
The SB Nation format is tops.
The video was a train wreck. But I prefer this layout, with every MLB team interconnected.
What do you need a fancy suit for, Charlie, you ain't got no job to wear it to.
the animosity is a little weird
kind of like a jealous little brother over all the attention the big brother gets.
At least Rev would be proud to wear Angels gear in an away game at the stadium instead of sitting on it to hide it.
except he wasnt wearing any angel gear in his most recent effort
just joan beaz.
R.I.P.N.A.
by TheAngelsAngels on Sep 7, 2009 2:49 PM PDT up reply actions
trademark law being what it is
I avoided the gray area of implying i might have an association with the organization itself – how is that for a switch from other blogs bending over backwards to imply they ARE associated with the team. It was conscious.
im just not a fan of the staff at angels win
kind of doushy.
i come here for the community, not the Rev (no offense), so AngelsWin always ripping on who runs the blog is irrelevant to me. I think our readership here is far superior which is all i care about.
RIP Nick Adenhart
I think you have it all wrong WiHaloFan,
People come here just to check my Pregame Picks score, laugh at my hilarious comments, gaze at my awesome pics, and read what I say about Mike Napoli being the best catcher in the MLB.
Hey la, hey, Halo...
Don't take this the wrong way...
but for some reason I picture you looking like this:
http://www.ugo.com/movies/psychopaths/images/entries/Anton.jpg
What do you need a fancy suit for, Charlie, you ain't got no job to wear it to.
A Couple of Flaws in Your Arguement
I see a couple of flaws I would like to point out. One, I saw the video in question, and saw the video through YouTube, which is where the link in AngelWin’s thread pointed to. Of course that would not generate a hit for Halos Heaven.
Also I usually access Halos Heaven through Yahoo, not through another site. So the hit would show Yahoo as the originator. And of course if it was bookmarked, no originating site would show.
I believe Blarg was making the comment based on the number of views of the thread on AngelsWin, not necessarily there would be a one to one relationship with hits to Halos Heaven.
Yeah, I think you're right about blarg's comment...
That’s why I added the update to the bottom of the post shortly after I posted it.
Somewhere there’s a link to Rev’s video on angelswin because if you go to the sitemeter and click on angelswin, it takes you to that thread.
It’s no big deal.
Censorship at angelswin?
A couple of hours ago I was reading “the thread” over there and the last post at the time was by “calscruf” or something very close to that said basically, “what’s the problem with the video? I think it’s awesome!”
When I saw it I thought it was probably one of you folks but the guy had a lot of posts (don’t recall if it was 1600 or 4000 but it was a significanr number).
i had noted when I clicked on the thread there were 206 posts. After reading the posts at the end of the thread I went back to the list of threads and it was now showing only 205 posts. That’s odd, I thought. So I went back into the thread and the post was gone!
I’ve always heard they don’t put up with opinion counter to their own and now I’ve seen that to be true first-hand.
The reason for the animosity between this site and the others is simple
No offense, but Rev has strong opinions and a big mouth. He likes to stir the pot and take shots at people.
There’s nothing wrong with that, but it does explain why people may find this site a little unappealing.
RIP Nick. We will miss you!
I like the layout here
And there are some knowledgeable posters (rghan, WiHaloFan, Matt Welch, etc.). The community here is good.
But I can’t stand Rev.
I feel the need, the need...for speed!
Other blogs
concentrate all their efforts on Rev. They act like we are part of his fan club. Its real bothersome to hear that. Halos Heaven is awesome because of all the peeps who are here. Its always good for a laugh and there are a lot of great posters. I joined this blog because I read the fanposts and just fell in love. This is a great blog filled with great information and an awesome community. Props to all the posters on this site (even Ca1ifornia Angels on a good day)
Aybar is a nowhere man, Sitting in his Nowhere Land, Making all his nowhere plans for nobody.
by princeton11loveshalos on Sep 6, 2009 9:09 PM PDT reply actions
That's one thing that bother me too.
This isn’t a Rev Halo fan site, it’s an Angels fan site. I was really pissed when Mark Whicker form the OC Register called some of the people here lemmings for agreeing with one of Rev’s opinions.
And I’m, really getting tired of the kool-aid comments. Not just when it’s used in this instance, it seems to be a new meme (or whatever people call it).
And Whicker was flat wrong about the case in question
Rev had called Physioc a terrible homer for getting excited about Andruw Jones having a chance to hit 4 homers in a lopsided Angels loss (or 3; I forget); and there were plenty of commenters ON THAT THREAD who disagreed, plus another post or two that specifically disagreed.
Whicker’s readers would have been able to suss that out themselves had he provided a link, but he refused to do even that. Meanwhile, he takes every opportunity he can to praise AngelsWin. It’s all pretty bizarre, and childish.
Angelswin is the bizarro world of halo blogs
HH is full of talent, dedicated Angels’ fan, humor, and sometimes strangeness. All stuff, that I love. Plus, I have always been treated good here by everybody including Rev.
Angels in 09!
Wow, after reading Chuck’s "classy" closing remarks on Angelswin.com, all I can say is:
Some men are born douchebags, some men become douchebags and others have douchebagginess thrust upon them… Congrats Chuck, you are truly Alpha Douche of all of Douchedoom!
2009 Halos:
"Don't worry bout a thing,
Cause every little thing gonna be all right!"
He needs an official seal...
of being a douchebag!
R.I.P. Nick Adenhart, Marquis Cooper, Steve McNair, and Frank Grimes, or Grimey, as he liked to be called
by JoseGuillenSux on Sep 7, 2009 1:05 AM PDT up reply actions
Glad to add one more to the member's list. :D
August 12th 2009
The Big Red Machine V.2 is coming this Fall 2009. Go Halos!
This post wasn't meant to be another discussion about HH & AW
The only reason I mentioned AW was because one of their comments triggered me to look at the numbers…Halos Heaven’s numbers, not angelswin’s. Nowhere within my post do I compare their number to oours (as Chuck claims I did). A couple months ago, Chuck and I had an agreement that neither of us would bad-mouth the others site and I upheld that agreement (and I still haven’t said anything bad about their site). But since the comments have taken a turn in that direction, let me add a couple thoughts.
1) One trait that I respect in other people is the ability to admit when you’re wrong. And I believe if you’re going to criticize, you must be able to praise. I was wrong, I’ll admit it. What I wrote about angelswin when they got credentialed was wrong. The few times I’ve been to their site and read some of the content resulting from their access has been professional and interesting. I especially like the audio clip of Chuck interviewing Scott Kazmir. Adding audio to the site was pretty cool. They got credentials, we got our ass kicked. You win some, you lose some. Good job angelswin.
2) Regarding Halos09WS comment about deleting posts, I wouldn’t doubt it. What I found interesting is Chuck shuts down threads! Who cares if the conversation is generating interest. Chuck decides when you can no longer converse…and then acts magnanimous about.
3) I read Chuck’s closing statement Quad Fin Rider mentions and I’ve come to this conclusion…Chuck is a fucking narcissistic douchebag.
It seems only thing Chuck and I agree on is the Angels are a good baseball team.
yes
I think the official variant is ‘douchenozzle’
"This is a guy who is a combination of great courage and, nuts!"- Steve Physioc
by Brian S (brianguy) on Sep 8, 2009 1:35 PM PDT up reply actions
LSB is higher than...
Bing.com AND Yahoo Search. l-o-l
granted, IIRC Yahoo Search will eventually be phased out and replaced by Bing so that will probably not be the case all that much longer. but hilarious.
"This is a guy who is a combination of great courage and, nuts!"- Steve Physioc
by Brian S (brianguy) on Sep 8, 2009 1:34 PM PDT reply actions
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