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Angels have 5 of first 37 draft picks

http://riveraveblues.com/2010-draft-order/

Found originally on mlbtraderumors.com.

The Angels are stacking picks, similar to last year. We hold #29 and 30, reminiscent of when we drafted Grichuk and Trout last season. Awesomely, our earliest pick is 18 thanks to the Mariners signing Figgins. Go, go Eddie Bane & Co.

 

Off topic, the Nationals, if they choose correctly, will be a VERY interesting team to watch following last year's selection of Strasburg.

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our farm

is going to be stacked in a couple years, even more then it already is

imagine if we sign Chapman too!!!

12 picks over the last two years in the 2nd round or higher (5 1st rounders, 2 2nd rounders, and 5 sandwhich picks)

from 2000-2008 we have had 14 picks in the 2nd round or higher (7 1st, 7 2nd)

R.I.P. Nick Adenhart #34

by Vladd#27 on Jan 1, 2010 12:24 PM PST reply actions  

Reagins & Bane continue to impress

I like the Angels front office style. They prefer older Free Agents that provide performance to fill in holes on short-term 2-3 year contracts (Abreu, Matsui, Rodney, Fuentes, Rivera) and superb younger talent who can provide a short burst of talent at 400k minimum wage (Aybar, Kendrick, Wood, Weaver, Morales).

by BiketoBigA on Jan 1, 2010 1:51 PM PST reply actions  

even better

we get the old dudes on cheap short contracts. They kick ass and are Type A and B FA. We give them away and get other teams’ draft picks.

Aybar is a nowhere man, Sitting in his Nowhere Land, Making all his nowhere plans for nobody.

by princeton11loveshalos on Jan 1, 2010 10:50 PM PST up reply actions  

only if we offer them arbitration

angels received nothing for darren oliver. i don’t think anyone would have taken him if they had to give up a pick.

by BiketoBigA on Jan 2, 2010 12:30 AM PST up reply actions  

I too am impressed with the Angels minor league system.

We aren’t without our flaws, we tend to keep our best prospects down and don’t challenge them or promote them in the same manner as other teams. Keeping players like Wood, Rodriguez and Sandoval in AAA this long is ridiculous. Keeping Reckling in Cedar Rapids all this year was dumb. Promoting Sean O’Sullivan past Rancho was dumb.

But I gotta give Bane credit for our recent draft and foreign success. Conger was a great early round pick. Bourjos, Pettit, Reckling and Walden were all great picks. Trout, Grichuk, Skaggs, Ramirez and Richards were all great picks. Mesa-Martinez and Joon-Jang were good foreign pickups.

by Halowood on Jan 1, 2010 9:58 PM PST reply actions  

I don't get the "ridiculous" and "dumb" parts. However..........

Reckling wasn’t in Cedar Rapids this year.

Sean O’Sullivan had a decent year in SLC after being called up from Arkansas…….primarily due to Adenhart’s death. He even pitched a no-hitter in AAA, and pitched 52 innings in the show. ………and he can dance!

As far as keeping our (?) players in AAA so long is concerned, I suspect there is a method to their madness. Contracted players are ahead of them in the Bigs, and, they are immediatley ready to play “Angels’ baseball” when their times come.

I personally have little doubt that Wood and Sandoval will make the 25-man roster next spring. Rodriguez, along with Matt Sweeney and Alex Torres, was traded for Kazmir on August 29. According to articles I’ve read, there’s no guarantee he won’t be in AAA again in 2010.

by wumbug on Jan 2, 2010 6:04 AM PST up reply actions  

dang, our guys are in AAA too long

i wish we sucked so we could just go ahead and rebuild all the time…

RIP Nick Adenhart

by ihearhowie2.0 on Jan 2, 2010 1:19 PM PST up reply actions  

Bane not the one

Clay Daniels was the international supervisor responsible for may of the Angles Latin players. With his dismissal in June of last year it will be interesting to see how the team fairs with international signings

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/baseball/mlb/06/05/angels.daniel/index.html

by Angel Aviator on Jan 8, 2010 1:39 PM PST up reply actions  

Thanks for posting the link

I was previously unaware of that entire fiasco.

"Sometimes I've believed as many as six impossible things before breakfast."

by LAASurfin on Jan 8, 2010 7:52 PM PST up reply actions  

Typo

I meant last year in reference to Reckling, not this year. He was in Cedar Rapids the whole year. Anyone who watched him and Walden pitch knew they didn’t belong there. They even stopped competing in the 2nd half of the year when their respective ERA’s were both south of 2.25. They just started throwing an abundance of breaking pitches, working on those, almost as if it were a workout of a practice game. That was ill advised, at such a young age and with no really good pitchers in Rancho, they should have been up there competing.

As for O’Sullivan, check out his numbers, they speak volumes. In Rancho his ERA was 4.73. In Arkansas it was 5.30. In SLC it was 5.48. In Anaheim it was 5.92. Are you trying to tell me Sean O’Sullivan deserves to be doing anything but pitching in Rancho right now? Sure Adenhart’s tragic passing forced our hand on some issues, but not so much that O’Sullivan shold have been pitching for SLC or even the Angels. The smart thing to do would be to send O’Sullivan down to AA and let him get everything worked out, luckily for him, he’s only 22 and has plenty of time.

Check out the TB Rays reports. All signs are pointing toward Sean Rodriguez starting at 2B and Zobrist playing in RF. Alex Torres will more than likely be in AA or AAA next year. Other teams tend to promote their personnel faster than the Angels. Some of it has to do with big league success, most of it has to do with organizational philosophy and approach.

by Halowood on Jan 2, 2010 11:20 AM PST reply actions  

"Other teams tend to promote their personnel faster than the Angels."

Any of them average 90 wins per season the last ten years… hmmm?

by Rev Halofan on Jan 2, 2010 2:02 PM PST up reply actions  

Ummm YEAH

Last 10 year totals

The 2000 / 2009 World Champion Yankees have won 965 games
The 2004 / 2007 World Champion Red Sox have won 920 games
The 2006 World Champion St. Louis Cardinals have won 913 games
The 2002 World Champion Anaheim Angels / LA Angels have won 903 games

Over that same period the the Yankees have 9 post season appearances winning 2 titles and losing 2x in the WS.

The Red Sox have 6 post season appearances while being to the series 2x winning winning both times

The Cards have appeared in the post season 7 times with 2 WS showings winning 1 and losing 1

The Angels have 6 post season showings and as we know the Angels have 1 appearance in the WS in the last 10yrs that netted them there only WS

So with the 90+ season what you have is 9 appearances in the WS over the course of the last 10 yrs by these 4 teams that have managed to avg 90 wins

During these 10 yrs these 4 teams have had many rookies make their debut in the “SHOW”
Yanks have had 68 rookies make their debut
Angels have had 67 rookies make their debut
Cards have had 65 rookies make their debut
Red Sox have had 57 rookies make their debut

by Angel Aviator on Jan 8, 2010 2:39 PM PST up reply actions  

Yankees

How many of these “rookie debuts” are of any significance? The Yankees built there late 2000’s team on everything but player development.

Free agency

Play Wood already. Willits sucks.

by hauldog on Jan 11, 2010 11:19 AM PST up reply actions  

Each team mentioned had significant FA acquisitions

Free Agents
Angels- Vlad / GMJ / Abreu / Hunter / Fuentes
Yanks- ARod / CC / Tex / Burnett

Seems the only difference is the Yanks have went and bought up all the high priced FA while also using there farm system to acquire proven Major League talent.

Here is the significance you asked for

Melky Cabrera / Robinson Cano / Chien-Ming Wang
Joba Chamberlain / Phil Hughes
Phil Coke / Brett Gardner / David Robertson

2009 Yankees had 12 players that came through the system on the active roster same as the Angels

by Angel Aviator on Jan 12, 2010 9:34 AM PST up reply actions  

Know anything about player development?

Trevor Reckling wasn’t even 19 yet when he opened the season with the Kernels. Of course they kept him all year there. Of course he spent time working on breaking stuff — that’s exactly what young pitchers do in low-A ball. He also has control issues, as many young players of his makeup do, and those surfaced last year as he hit higher levels. If anything, the Angels have been rushing Reckling into service, not delaying his development. He was the youngest pitcher in his division in AA last season.

And the fact that young pitchers dominate in low-A says little about how they’ll perform at higher levels. They’ll be promoted not by what their ERA says, but how their mechanics look, the effectiveness of their repertoire, and their maturity and character. They promoted Walden more quickly than Reckling from Cedars, and Walden has struggled since. (Your contention that Walden, stuck in Cedar Rapid, decided not to “compete” in the second half of ’08 is bizarre since he was promoted to Rancho in the second half).

And judging a pitcher based on Cal League ERA — a slugger’s mecca of extreme hitters parks — is short-sighted. Then citing O’Sullivan’s record at Arkansas — where he pitched fewer than 20 innings total — doesn’t help. He was promoted quickly because he showed strong pitch efficiency, good control, strong mound presence, and generally kept the ball in the park while at Rancho — and it ain’t easy to do that. O’Sullivan still needs another year or two to ripen, but it wasn’t “dumb” to promote him past Rancho.

As a rule, other teams do not promote their players faster than the Angels. Small market and struggling teams that lack depth do. There are thousands of counter-examples of medium and large market teams that keep their players on the farm until years 23-25. Moreover to argue that Reckling was promoted too slowly, while O’Sullivan was promoted too quickly, hurts your overall thesis.

Anyway, about these examples of “ridiculous” over-stays on the farm: Wood got his first ABs with the Halos at age 22, and Rodriguez his first ABs at 23. Both struggled with the bat and were blocked by better players. Still, they got more ABs the next year. Meanwhile, Sandoval is a college draftee who is essentially a AAAA or reserve player — a corner infielder with only modest speed and power. There’s nothing “ridiculous” about his staying in the minors to this point. Moreover, most of our homegrown players — Kendrick, Aybar, Mathis, Santana, Weaver, Lackey — all were introduced at age 22 or 23. Completely typical if you’re not dealing with a really standout phenom.

In general, two things are true:
(1) The Angels tend to do player development correctly, and their strong farm in the middle part of the last decade is testament to that.
(2) The strength of the Angels current farm system among the fanbase is exaggerated. The Angels had consecutive bad drafts before 2009, didn’t sign some high picks, focused too much on free agency, and made some bad Rule V decisions. We lost some of our most valuable prospects via questionable trades. The farm is definitely middle-of-the-pack at the moment, and we need these five draft picks (in addition to the good 2009 draft) to get us back on track.

by Turks Teeth on Jan 2, 2010 5:35 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

Oh God...

we are officially rebuilding.

by shiftyeyedgoat on Jan 2, 2010 2:18 PM PST reply actions  

I think you are correct my four legged friend.

i just want an Ace pitcher out of it for league minimum.

The 2009 Pregame Picks Winner and Iron Man of Halos Heaven.com

by 44FAN on Jan 2, 2010 5:38 PM PST up reply actions  

Good point Rev.

Not many. But that’s exactly what I was getting at. Because of our success we have an excuse for our lack of foresight in certain situations. But the ultimate goal is to win at the top level and we’re doing that, but our failures in promotion and development, especially of big bats and outfielders is undeniable.

We finally have some hope. The Angels will be forced to give Wood a chance and he’s been our biggest bat forever. Conger’s made it to AAA, as has Bourjos. We drafted Trout, Grichuk and Ramirez. We have Pettit.

by Halowood on Jan 2, 2010 2:43 PM PST reply actions  

reply buttons.

use them.

Thank you, Nick Adenhart. You will always be remembered. #34

by howiestheman on Jan 2, 2010 3:01 PM PST up reply actions  

Is there some kind of real cool trophy and celebration

for having the most high picks in a draft? When’s the parade?

Had I owned the Pittsburgh Pirates, I could have saved America.

by Stirrups on Jan 8, 2010 11:28 AM PST reply actions  

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