Angels Avoiding Arbitration Armageddon
by Rev Halofan on Jan 19, 2010 1:23 PM PST
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PrintSome good news in the outer reaches of the Halosphere as tweets and posts from reliable sources indicate that Howie Kendrick and Jered Weaver have signed one year contracts, avoiding arbitration hearings. The reported dollar amounts are within the realm of reason considering the accomplishments of these two players.
UPDATE: Mike Napoli and Reggie Willits have also reached a contract agreement for the 2010 season with the Angels.
- Kendrick, 26, has reportedly signed for $1.7 million.
- Weaver, 27, is rumored to have agreed to a $4.2 million deal.
- Napoli, 28, agreed to a $3.6 million deal according to SBN's partner Yahoo!Sports.
- Willits turns 29 in May and scored a generous $625,000 to bun-buff the Anaheim pine in 2010.
All of these contracts are one year deals. Kendrick, Willits and Weaver will be free agents after the 2012 season. All three made less than $500K in 2009. Napoli will be a free agent after the 2011 season; he made $2 million in 2009.
These FOUR reported signings would leave the Angels with four more arbitration-eligible players: Erick Aybar, Maicer Izturis, Jeff Mathis, and Joe Saunders.
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Huh Joe Saunders over Mike Napoli?
I see many Angel fans continue to overvalue wins. ZOMG H3 WUN 17 GAMEZ!!!
all star pitcher vs. worst catcher in baseball
i don’t knowwwww….
What do you need a fancy suit for, Charlie, you ain't got no job to wear it to.
by clover_black on Jan 19, 2010 2:18 PM PST up reply actions
yeah because all-star selections are based on performance
and evaluating a catcher’s defense is extremely subjective.
Napoli is an unathletic DH....
even throwing out Saunders win totals, he’s still a better pick on a 5 year deal. I’ll take a solid innings eater over a player who cannot play a defensive position any day of the week.
Aybar is a better pick than either of them.
Joe Saunders is basically a shitty Chien-Ming Wang
with the extreme groundball tendencies and a worse K/9 and WHIP. Would you sign Chien-Ming Wang to a 5-year deal?
Everyone got a huge boner for Joe Saunders after that game he pitched with his VT hat and over time many have even fooled themselves into thinking he is an above-average pitcher when in fact his stats and peripherals say otherwise.
If you put a gun to my head and made me pick between the two...
I’d take the decent starting pitcher over the unathletic DH.
Napoli mashes in limited playing time with favorable matchups. I’m skeptical he can put together an .850 OPS in a full 162 season playing everyday. His stats look great on paper but they are essentially cherry picked since he’s a part time player.
I’m not sure why you think a player who averages 91 games a season deserves a 5 year contract.
If I had a gun to your head...I'd make you pick Napoli!
Not sure how you are coming up with this notion that Naps is not atheletic when he literally glides around the bases most games. Maybe it’s because of his build? but most catchers actually look like that. Jeff Mathis looks like he could steal 30 bases, but he would have to get on-base first.
anyway Mike Napoli was worth 3.2 Wins Above Replacement in limited time last season. By comparison Jeff Mathis was roughly a replacement level player, his offensive game is so bad he came in at 0.1 WAR.
You talk about cherry-picking, but most people refer to Joe Saunders’ high win totals to express his value which is ridiculous. I would sooner give a 5-year deal to a good offensive catcher than an overvalued league average pitcher who could be replaced at a league minimum salary.
See my responses below
One to you and one to socal native.
Your entire argument is based around Napoli’s offensive production. That’s an argument for him to DH, not be a catcher. At this point, there’s no room for him to DH full-time. However, we have room and a need for both Aybar and Saunders to play full-time.
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by Commander_Nate on Jan 19, 2010 3:31 PM PST up reply actions
Even playing part-time Napoli provided more value than Saunders
My argument is that defensive evaluations of catchers are extremely subjective and that, even if Napoli is in fact one of the worst behind the plate, he makes up for it offensively.
The alternative would be to roll Jeff “Automatic Out” Mathis out there to provide slightly better defense behind the dish.
Joe Saunders value has been largely inflated by his smoke and mirrors trickery that have led some to believe he is a top of the rotation starter.
man you really have a block head.
I am sorry you don’t see the ability of Saunders, but i really won’t even start to argue this cause you seem unable to see anyone else’s points so it would be useless, Therefore ill let Saunders play this year speak for itself.
GO COLTS!!! 09 IS OURS!!!
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by TheAngelsColts on Jan 19, 2010 10:25 PM PST up reply actions
Huh?? No one was gloating at all.
Anyway i do think your wrong about how good Saunders but that isn’t to say Nap. isn’t good but that i do think that Saunders does have more value for us.
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by TheAngelsColts on Jan 20, 2010 5:05 PM PST up reply actions
"most people" doesn't include me....
I’m not valuing or even citing Joe Saunders win totals. I’m aware it’s a worthless stat. I’m valuing the fact that he’s a full time starting pitcher who starts 30+ games and 180 innings a season and posts an ERA around 4. I consider that more valuable than a DH who only plays half the season.
Napoli doesn’t play full time. You probably think it’s because Scioscia is stubborn but I think it’s because he is a poor defender at a defense oriented position and isn’t as good of a hitter as he looks on paper and someone who has inflated hitting stats because he gets platooned favorably against lefties.
And don’t get me wrong. I love his numbers and love his role but would I keep a part time catcher/DH who has never played in more than 114 games in a season over a #3 starter for a 5 year commitment? No and I think anyone who would is confused.
by Nashdiesel on Jan 19, 2010 3:44 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Well this is my whole argument
Mike Napoli in his limited playing time and with his defensive limitations is a more valuable player to this ball club than Joe Saunders over 180+ innings.
You cite the fact that his ERA’s are in the 4’s, I cite FIP’s hovering around 5.
We agree that Napoli is below average defensively, but I think that is offset by his offensive game because few catchers put up better numbers than Napoli from that position.
You believe Joe Saunders is a #3 starter fine, but his stats indicate he is an average pitcher and his peripherals indicate he is due for a major regression. I would take Napoli for 5 years based solely on offensive potential alone over a league average pitcher that is confused for a top-end starter.
by blochead on Jan 19, 2010 4:09 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Agree...
Completely right on.
RIP Nick...
Jim Scully
Jim Scully Home
by jimmuscomp on Jan 19, 2010 11:31 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
According to Fangraphs value calculation...
With that thought
Why give any pitcher any sort of big payday when they only pitch 30 times a year if your lucky while logging 180+ innings of a 162 game season.
by Angel Aviator on Jan 19, 2010 4:33 PM PST up reply actions
Napoli's September just called
said thanks for overlooking it
by Rev Halofan on Jan 19, 2010 2:59 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Except for one key difference; Saunders actually pitches MLB games
Saunders comes out and eats innings without spending too much time on the DL. The only reason he sucked it for a while last year was because he was throwing while injured and didn’t want to go down because the rotation was already demolished. He did finally go down for a little bit and was just fine when he came back.
Don’t forget that he was our Co-Ace in 2008 along with Santana thanks to John “My Season Doesn’t Start ’Til June” Lackey.
Wang has done less than jack shit over the last two seasons outside of keeping the DL company.
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by Commander_Nate on Jan 19, 2010 3:05 PM PST up reply actions
Well if we are going by All-Star selections and Team Awards then
give the man an 8-year deal. His biggest upside going foward is that he will be an innings eater a la Jon Garland eh?
Being a consistent "innings eater" is more valuable than you seem to think
The fact is you can throw Saunders out there when his spot comes up and pretty much expect him to be ready and perform. You’re typically gonna get 5-7 innings of quality pitching that will keep you in the game and sometimes you’ll get 8 or 9. This keeps stress off the bullpen.
You compared him to Wang who hasn’t been able to be relied on as a starter in at least two years and that’s just bogus.
Few if any teams would be willing to sign Wang. Most if not all teams would be willing to sign Saunders.
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by Commander_Nate on Jan 19, 2010 4:18 PM PST up reply actions
then why are guys like Jon Garland and Doug Davis
still free-agents?
Those two guys have performed arguably better than Saunders and have yet to find a job this offseason. I think smart teams are correctly valuing players of that caliber and that is why they have to settle for one or two year deals.
I compare Saunders to Wang because his 08-09 seasons are eerily similar to Wang’s 06-07 seasons except not as good. Sure Wang has been injured and most teams aren’t sure about his health, but if healthy Wang is basically the Taiwanese Joe Saunders with better stuff.
Garland is 31, Davis is 35
Saunders is 28. He’s basically in his prime pitching years and has probably 3 or 4 to go before he hit’s the breakdown years of most starters.
Wang has been injured? No, Wang has been totally disabled. Saunders is about as healthy as Superman compared to him. To be considered a reliable pitcher, you have to actually be able to show up and pitch.
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by Commander_Nate on Jan 19, 2010 4:55 PM PST up reply actions
The problem in your logic here
is stated perfectly here. Joe Saunders is 28 yrs old, around the age where most baseball analyst agree most pitchers peak and then there is usually a sharp decline for the average pitcher and that’s what he is AN AVERAGE PITCHER, even then his stats don’t compare favorably against old Judy Garland and an aging Doug Davis…see what the problem is here?
I wasn’t comparing Saunders’ health to Wang’s health, I was comparing their best years statistically.I also seem to remember Saunders missing some time in 09 or was I just imagining it?
I adressed this above
He was perfectly fine after it and good until he started having problems. He didn’t go to the DL right away because there wasn’t anymore pitching depth left.
I’ll agree if you want to say he’s a young Garland. When he was about Saunders’ age, Garland helped shut us down and get the White Sox their first Championship in ages. And yes, I’d take Garland himself back right now.
Saunders would find a job very quickly if he was a free agent right now.
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by Commander_Nate on Jan 19, 2010 6:03 PM PST up reply actions
Healthy or not Saunders is just AVERAGE that is all
you obviously don’t agree and that’s fine, I have nothing more to add that could possibly sway you from the looks of it and there is no way in hell that you can convince me that he is great pitcher…so we’ll just leave it at that and see how he performs next year and then we can have this whole discussion all over again deal? :)
That's fine
I voted for Aybar anyway haha
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by Commander_Nate on Jan 19, 2010 7:03 PM PST up reply actions
Baseball-Reference.com
Pretty cool site, huh?
What do you need a fancy suit for, Charlie, you ain't got no job to wear it to.
by clover_black on Jan 19, 2010 3:07 PM PST up reply actions
I suggest looking at the "G" statistic as well as
the “vs RHP as RH” stat line.
I voted Aybar
Saunders was my 2nd choice.
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by Commander_Nate on Jan 19, 2010 2:18 PM PST up reply actions
same
"Precious in the sight of the Lord, is the death of His Saints." - Psalm 116:15 Rest In Peace, Nick.
I agree with you...
I think Napoli is definitely the choice even over Aybar. Stunned that he is doing so poorly in this poll.
More like:
proven left handed middle rotation control pitcher
versus
guy with occasional streaks of power bat followed by long stints of slump, who happens to be able to catch better than our bullpen guy.
Had I owned the Pittsburgh Pirates, I could have saved America.
by Stirrups on Jan 19, 2010 3:04 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Nap. has already been delt with so he wouldn't be on the poll anymore i would think. (yea i know this was made before the update probably).
GO COLTS!!! 09 IS OURS!!!
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by TheAngelsColts on Jan 19, 2010 10:06 PM PST up reply actions
Napoli may be the worst defensive catcher in the league
But I do remember him having an OPS pf 1.000+ when he was the full time DH. I could be wrong, but that could be slightly valuable going forward with a Paper Godzilla in that position.
I brought sexy back, but they only gave me store credit....
And Napoli is most valuable when playing Catcher
He is top 5 in league offensively from the catching postion and that more than makes up for his defensive short-comings.
except that he is not in the top 5 in the league offensively as a catcher
As least not consistently. Saunders on the other hand is tremendously consistent.
and what about
Mathis, Wilson, and Budde?
"Precious in the sight of the Lord, is the death of His Saints." - Psalm 116:15 Rest In Peace, Nick.
Whoa... way too early on a Monday...
I read that as “Mathis, Wilson and Buddha”.
Angels baseball. We do what we must, because we can -- HaloDutch
haahahah
That should be Budde’s new nickname:
Buddha
"Precious in the sight of the Lord, is the death of His Saints." - Psalm 116:15 Rest In Peace, Nick.
by angels4adam on Jan 25, 2010 12:15 PM PST up reply actions
Arbitration info for the remaining players(except Napoli and Willits)
" Ed Price of AOL’s Fanhouse tweets that Joe Saunders — another arbitration-eligible Angel — asked for $3.85 million, while the Angels offered $3.6 million. Expect them to settle in the middle before going to arbitration.
"
“More arbitration figures from Ed Price of AOL Fanhouse:
* Aybar asked for $2.75 millon, Angels offered $1.8 million;
* Mathis asked for $1.3 million, Angels offered $700K;
* Izturis asked for $3 million, Angels offered $2.3 million.
"
Won't Weaver be a free agent after 2011?
Kendrick and Weaver will be free agents after the 2012 season.
After six years, right? I think Weaver already has four years.
…..And considering the fact that Felix Hernandez (five years MLB service) just signed a five year/$78MM extension, I can already smell Boras licking his chops.
they bopped JEreed up and down enough in 2006
His clock doesn’t run that way. It cost us the division in ’06 if you want to get angry about anything.
I'm not angry about anything.......
I just thought he had four years in………..and that after six years is when he’s eligable for for free agency.
Same with Howie?
I believe it's counted in actual days on the 25 Man Roster or something
So if someone came up in like July of ’06, they would only have 3.5 years of MLB Service time. If they came up in early September, they might only have 3.25 years, etc.
I’m not completely sure on that so don’t quote me.
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by Commander_Nate on Jan 19, 2010 3:08 PM PST up reply actions
This is his first season of arbitration
After 2012, he’s gone.
"He's not a Rhodes Scholar to begin with''~Theo Epstein, talking about Papelbon
by George Kaplan on Jan 19, 2010 3:32 PM PST up reply actions
Wow
Five years of King Felix (though his age 28 season?) will cost less than five years of John Lackey, through his age 36 season? Hernandez probably left at least $25 million on the table for the security (although in fairness, he’ll still hit free agency while in his 20s, and might make up the difference down the line).
WOW
didn’t think the vote would be so pro Aybar
I have lived long enough to see all three of the Pro teams I suport win a championship everything else is iceing on my cake
I picked Aybar because he is the youngest and provides the most day-to-day value
He just turned 26, is going to win a Gold Glove (likely multiple ones) during his career, and has speed and a high average that is valuable at both the top and bottom of the lineup, and may very well be an All Star soon.
Saunders was a close second for me. He doesn’t spend a lot of time on the DL, has performed well in big games and has already been an All Star and a Co-Ace. He is a year or two older though, so a 5 year deal would carry him to about age 33. He also only contributes once every 5-6 days.
Napoli was third because he only contributes about 50-60% of the games and is still prone to monumental slumps. This is not to say I don’t want him on the team by any means. I think he and Juan Rivera will be our DH’s of the future when Torii and Abreu are gone, but that’s a few years away.
The question was who would you sign for five years? At this point, Aybar makes the most sense.
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by Commander_Nate on Jan 19, 2010 3:26 PM PST up reply actions
Haha, sorry.
There’s more than one Ninja around here I guess.
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by Commander_Nate on Jan 19, 2010 3:42 PM PST up reply actions
Simple: Aybar has the most upside
He’s good, but he figures to get much, much better.
By contrast, Napoli and Saunders don’t figure to rise much more than they already have. Consistency is the most one could expect from them going forward.
"He's not a Rhodes Scholar to begin with''~Theo Epstein, talking about Papelbon
I agree that Aybar has upside.
But you don’t throw down 5 year deals off of one above average year. Saunders would be an on the cheap 5 year deal.
Let’s let Aybar replicate or come close to last years numbers before signing him long term is what I think.
Nick would be proud.
by halofan4life on Jan 19, 2010 9:17 PM PST up reply actions
I think I'll keep overvaluing wins thank you
Five years of overvaluing 15-18 wins sounds pretty good to me. Say what you want about Saunders, but the dude keeps getting the W’s. In the end, that’s what it is all about.
by Lompoc Angel Fan on Jan 19, 2010 4:14 PM PST reply actions
And you can manage the all-stat all-stars!! You must be very good at Statis-Pro.
by Lompoc Angel Fan on Jan 19, 2010 4:45 PM PST up reply actions
ok
then our two lineups can face each other in some sort of imaginary world series. I’ll bring chips and dip.
I’ll even let you pick all the pitchers with high win totals.
You're team will do great in your fantasy
91 game season against only lefties.
Unfortunately in real MLB these things known as right handed pitchers exist and the teams play 162 games a year.
I’m sure we could scour the majors for platoon players who do great when the matchups favor them and only play half the season. Your team sure would look great at the all-star break!
Me bashing Napoli and his lack of games played...
inability to play defense or comparatively weak numbers against RHP is not some kind of endorsement of Mathis.
I’m simply pointing out that you don’t sign platoon players who only play half the season to 5 year contracts. For the record I wouldn’t sign Mathis to a 5 year deal either.
You’re dealing with mathball and not baseball and it’s hard to take your arguments seriously when you do that.
No we were debating over which player is more valuable
and would provide more value over the course of a 5-year deal even in limited playing time.
My whole point was that Napoli, with all his shortcomings, is more valuable to the club because of what he brings offensively and the alternative to him would be to play jeff mathis on a more regular basis or wait for Conger to hopefully develop into the player we expect him to be.
I see Saunders as nothing special and hardly deserving of a 5-year deal like the one King Felix got, you disagree, but “Mathball” backs up my argument both for Napoli and against Saunders so I don’t know what else to say…
Make it beer
And then I’ll be there.
Look, we all know stats are important. There’s no denying that. But sometimes, every once in a while, someone comes along where you have to ignore the stats and go with the results. Saunders is a winner. How many times does he pitch a gem when he has to because the other guy is dealing too? Then again, how many times does he give up 4 or 5 because the offense has put up 6 or 7? The bottom line is the guy wins. A lot. In this instance, this is the only stat that matters. He’s a solid pitcher. Nothing against Naps, but I can’t get over the slumps he goes through every year. First step: Prove you are an everyday catcher. Then we’ll talk extension.
by Lompoc Angel Fan on Jan 20, 2010 9:35 AM PST up reply actions
Completely agree. That's why we traded for Kent Bottenfield.
He won 18 games the year before he we got him because of his gritty gamerness. And then he won the Cy Young for us being all winnery.
It is luminous to ignore stats and through logic out the window before signing someone if that luminous star is a proven winner. And I know because I study every match this season.
throw not through - need edit button to make my jackass sarcastic remarks look slightly less stupid.
Dude. Kent Bottenfield?
Really? Wow, that was a good one to pull out of the hat. The difference between Bottenfield and his 18 game season and Saunders is that Saunders has proven that he can do it year after year. KB was a one-hit wonder to the tune of Chumbawumba.
by Lompoc Angel Fan on Jan 20, 2010 10:50 AM PST up reply actions
Fair point about Bottenfield, but Saunders only has 1 good year more than him.
I don’t know if 2 good seasons W-Lwise qualifies as proving he can do it year in and year out when you take into account his underlying stats. If Saunders has been doing it for 4-5 years, then you’d probably have a point.
Even his first two years he was a combined 15-8
48-22 over 4 years. Hell man, I agree with those of you that are bringing up the stats, I don’t know how he does it either. He just wins. Let’s lock him up and keep the Fearsome Foursome together for years.
by Lompoc Angel Fan on Jan 20, 2010 11:42 AM PST up reply actions
The Four Horsemen
That’s what I call them. The term brings up deeper, more primal fear.
"You gotta have nuts." - Torii Hunter / Part-Time Nemesis of the HH Reply Function
by Commander_Nate on Jan 20, 2010 11:52 AM PST up reply actions
I hear Metallica
When I think Four Horsemen. Not a bad image, although Weaver is probably the only one of the four who has heard of Metallica. Maybe Kazmir. Definitely not Santana.
by Lompoc Angel Fan on Jan 20, 2010 12:16 PM PST up reply actions
Your word looks awesome
But when I tried to say it I had to crack up. Maybe they can start playing Four Horseman when the Rally Monkey shows up now.
by Lompoc Angel Fan on Jan 20, 2010 12:41 PM PST up reply actions
I only have limited resources (MS Paint)
But I will see if I can scrape something together.
"You gotta have nuts." - Torii Hunter / Part-Time Nemesis of the HH Reply Function
by Commander_Nate on Jan 20, 2010 1:31 PM PST up reply actions
Ok ladies and gents, I did my best - Check it.
Made a fanpost and a poll for it. Hope you like!
The Four Horsemen of the Halocalypse
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by Commander_Nate on Jan 20, 2010 3:10 PM PST up reply actions
Apparently not.
The Royals turned loose Miguel Olivo just last November. Olivo, as it turns out, matches up pretty well compared to Naps. So I guess that the Royals don’t see a Naps-style catcher as their anchor, either.
Had I owned the Pittsburgh Pirates, I could have saved America.
"Much" better?
Which essentially says (Olivo vs. Naps):
Games: 114 – 114
AB: 390 – 382
R: 51 – 60
H: 97 – 104
2B: 15 – 22
3B: 5 – 1
HR: 23 – 20
RBI: 65 – 56
TB: 191 – 188
BB: 19 – 40
SO: 126 – 103
SB: 5 – 3
CS: 2 – 3
OBP: .292 – .350
SLG: .490 – .492
AVG: .249 – .272
Sure, there are aspects of Naps that are “much” better (BB, SO, OBP, AVG, all showing better plate discipline), but the power numbers (HR, RBI, SLG) are pretty “much” the same.
Had I owned the Pittsburgh Pirates, I could have saved America.
uhhh
there are aspects of Naps that are "much" better (BB, SO, OBP, AVG, all showing better plate discipline)
precisely
"but the power numbers are pretty much the same."
precisely.
(By the way, the only catcher IN ALL OF BASEBALL last year who K’d more than Naps was Olivo. So the whole “plate discipline” thing itself is somewhat relative.)
My point being merely that you feel that the Royals are pond scum and, yet, your pond scum did not feel that the power numbers you love coming out of the catcher position was worthy of hanging onto.
Had I owned the Pittsburgh Pirates, I could have saved America.
I didn't know hitters were evaluated solely on power numbers alone
because if so then we need to give Dallas McPherson a call.
I didn’t say anything bad about the Royals I only implied that General Manager and player evaluation methods are outdated and quite possible the worst in baseball.
Olivo can’t get on-base to save his life
Just offensive numbers:
2009
WAR wOBA
Napoli 3.2 .362
Olivo 2.2 .334
Career
WAR wOBA
Napoli 10.4 .364
Olivo 7.3 .299
Weighted
G WAR/G
Napoli 366 .0284
Olivo 754 .0097
Its all about pitching
I picked Saunders. Allstar pitchers who don’t get rattled are not easy to find. He is a keeper.
If a pessimist is always right, is he a realist?
-Unknown
I would hope most all-star pitchers don't get rattled.
Oh, and I’d say he was a bit rattled vs New York in the playoffs.
Oh you mean in Game 2 where he matched Burnett
How about Game 3 of the 2008 ALDS? He and Lackey were the only two worth a damn in that series. Without that error by Kendrick or whoever, we would have won that game easily in 9 innings instead of 12.
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by Commander_Nate on Jan 19, 2010 6:07 PM PST up reply actions
Those were good games, but I was using examples of when he was rattled, not not rattled.
This was in response to a comment about him being an all-star pitcher who doesn’t get rattled.
Momma Napoli's nipplage spillage was enough for me to vote for her son.
She had me at areola.
Albatross, thy name is GMJ.
Napoli, Willits also agree.
Game's the same, just got more fierce.
According to Rhett Bollingers tweet
Naps got $3.6m, Willits $625K.
Seems like good numbers for the team.
None of them is worth having for five years...
Blech to this choice. They are average MLB players. They do not win you a World Series.
How is Aybar an "average" MLB player?
He’s already one of the best defensive shortstops in the American League, and is still pretty young.
Average...
No power at all. Defense is okay, nothing spectacular. Average. My lasting memory of him was his clutch suicide squeeze two years ago that ended our play-off run. Now, think about the above-average shortstops like Hanley Ramirez, or guys like A Rod, Jeter, Nomar, Tejada in their prime. Those were studs. I’d much rather have Tulo on Colorado. Those guys are plus shortstops. Aybar is a non-clutch Punch and Judy hitter. Generic.
non-clutch
because nobody is clutch because they would then be able to do it all the time.
by Rev Halofan on Jan 19, 2010 11:13 PM PST up reply actions
tuff critic
Benji Gill and Eckstein got a ring, FTW, right?
by Rev Halofan on Jan 19, 2010 10:19 PM PST up reply actions
A bunch of guys got a ring. Only a few were responsible for it.
Think Percival, Glaus, Garret Anderson.
because they were clutch, right?
you sound like the grumpy old man complaining about the good old days being better than now, except your boy TULO.
by Rev Halofan on Jan 19, 2010 11:15 PM PST up reply actions
My heart says Joe......but my head says Aybar..............
and I voted with my head………26 year old athletic SS dont grow on trees………
Yeah, I just stare at my desk, but it looks like I'm working. I do that for probably another hour after lunch too, I'd say in a given week I probably only do about fifteen minutes of real, actual, work. - Peter Gibbons
by norcaliangelsfan on Jan 19, 2010 10:34 PM PST reply actions
Hey, Gil and Eck had some clutch hits that year
as did Aybar with 2 outs in the top of the ninth down to Papelbon and the Bosox in game 3. That blown bunt was rough the year before, but it was an impossible pitch really to lay it down and he was a rook basically.
For those wondering why "Arte isn't spending the savings" from Lackey, et al
The payroll bump from just Weaver, Napoli and Kendrick has been about $6.2M.
The team still has to go through arbitration with Saunders, Mathis, Aybar and Izturis.
That windfall from losing Lackey, Figgins, Guerrero and Oliver disappears in a hurry when other players get bumps like Weaver ($465K to $4.25M). Figure Saunders to do about as well.
"He's not a Rhodes Scholar to begin with''~Theo Epstein, talking about Papelbon
The amount for raises will be between $14.66M to $12.16M
That number is for all 8 players. The higher number is if all of the remaining players win their cases, the lower amount is if the club wins. The actual figure will probably be somewhere in the middle.
2009 2010
Napoli 2.0 3.6
Willits .450 .625
Kendrick .465 1.7
Weaver .465 4.2
Aybar .460 2.750 1.8
Izturis 1.6 3.0 2.3
Mathis .450 1.3 .700
Saunders .475 3.85 3.6
6.365 21.025 18.525
(BTW, could someone explain to me how to get the columns to line up)
So there is NO money for additional signings
I wouldn’t expect any further changes unless:
1). it comes via a salary-swap trade – that is, a net ‘wash’ to the bottom-line, or
2). Arte decides to abandon his stated plan to be at $113M this year
From the above, opening day salaries for the team can be projected at:
$112.54 M – using the low arb number for the remaining 4
$115.04 M – using the high arb number for the remaining 4
Settling right in the middle would put it at $113.79 – Pretty much EXACTLY the same as last year’s number.
"Sometimes I've believed as many as six impossible things before breakfast."
I'm guessing the Angels and Saunders are working out some sort of multiyear deal
The numbers were only 250K apart, so it seems unlikely they’re having such a hard time finding a middle ground on a 1 year.
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