Halos Slipping Down...Or Not
The following article was written at the website "Baseball Daily Digest" about the Angels off-season. It's a well written article, but misses quite a few points about the moves the Angels have made since the end of last season.
I decided doing a "Fire Joe Morgan" on it was warranted.
There comes a point in your life where it seems like everyone else has what you want.
Maybe in Kindergarten. Hey, where's MY goddamn juice box?!
Maybe you're out of college, working a crummy job or single. Maybe it's worse - maybe you dropped out, got fired, or got dumped. When you walk through the city, the only people you seem to see are college kids having fun, wealthy business men and women in power suits, and blissfully happy couples enjoying each other's company. It's enough to make you disillusioned. That's been the off-season for the Los Angeles Angels of Anaheim thus far.
Should I just slice open my wrists right now? Or should I go find one of those women in power suits to do it for me?
As the confetti was swept up after New York's celebration of yet another World Series victory, Angels fans had reason to be very optimistic.
I hate confetti. It tends to settle into those gaping slits in my wrists. And most Angels fans are beyond optimistic, winning 5 out of the last 6 division titles will do that. Optimism is for Texas, Oakland, and Seattle.
The team won 97 games during the regular season, reached the American League Championship Series against the Yankees, and the organization was setting its sights on Roy Halladay, then a member of the Toronto Blue Jays. Even as it became clear that Hallday would eventually become a Phillie, the Angels were still in on a potential Cliff Lee trade.
I never heard the Angels were in on Cliff Lee. In fact, everything I read about the Lee trade claimed that that trade came together rather quickly and the Phillies probably could have gotten more if they had let other teams know they were willing to trade him.
They also showed more than a passing interest in Cuban defector Aroldis Chapman.
$30,000,000 deal. The reason the Angels are a dominating team, and Cincinnati is well, Cincinnati, is they are smart enough know a bad deal when they see one and have the self-control to know when to walk away from that bad deal.
Yet, here we are now, just weeks away from P & C and the Angels have lost to free agency:
- The second-most valuable third baseman in the American League last year (according to FanGraphs) in Chone Figgins to the Seattle Mariners (4 years, $36 million);
- Ace starter John Lackey to the Boston Red Sox (5 years, $82.5 million);
- Gimpy DH Vladimir Guerrero to the Texas Rangers (1 year, $5 million)
Hey now, don't forget about Robb Quinlan!
The Angels have responded by signing:
- Gimpy DH Hideki Matsui for one year, $6 million;
- Wild Fernando Rodney for two years, $11 million;
- Joel Piniero (Pineiro) for two years, $16 million
The author of this article failed to mention the amounts the former Angels signed for with other teams. The Mariners, Red Sox, and Rangers have committed a total of 10 years and $123.5 million to the three Angel free agents, compared to 5 years and $33 million for the three players recently added by the Halos. In two years, when Rodney's and Pineiro's contracts end, Figgins will be 34 and Lackey will be 33 with approximately $60 million remaining on their contracts.
In essence, the Angels have swapped gimpy designated hitters, downgraded from Lackey to Piniero (it's Pineiro), lost Figgins and gained Rodney.
Yes, no, no. The Angels did swap gimpy DH's, but Pineiro wasn't signed to replace Lackey and the Angels didn't replace their third baseman with a relief pitcher. Pineiro replaces Matt Palmer or Sean O'Sullivan in the Angel rotation, a very good upgrade if Pineiro is able to come anywhere close to his 2009 numbers, while adding Brandon Wood to the lineup. Rodney becomes just another arm in the Angel pen, with the potential to step into the closers role if Fuentes falters.
Meanwhile, Roy Halladay went to Philadelphia, Cliff Lee went to Seattle, and Aroldis Chapman went to Cincinnati. The Angels wanted an ace pitcher and they ended up with Joel Piniero (dammit, it's spelled P-I-N-E-I-R-O!). It's the kind of dream/reality contrast one would expect to find with the New York Mets, not the L.A. Angels.
Yes, Halladay wanted to go to Philadelphia, the Phillies decided they would rather have Joe Blanton in their rotation for $8M a year instead of Cliff Lee, and the Cuban refugee might be in the major leagues by the time the Pineiro contract expires.
Losing Figgins opens up third base for Brandon Wood or Maicer Izturis. That makes the soon to be 36-year-old Bobby Abreu the team's most dangerous base-stealing threat.
Abreu stole 30 bases last season with a 79% success rate, Figgins had a success rate of 71% while swiping 42. Abreu would be the most dangerous base stealing threat on a lot of teams.
The lineup figures to slug more home runs and run the bases less aggressively unless Izturis defies the expectations of both stats and scouts. Furthermore, the loss of Figgins leaves the lineup thin in terms of patient hitters. Bobby Abreu drew 94 walks last year, but after him, the next-highest walks total was Torii Hunter's 47.
I'm assuming that the replacement of Figgins with Brandon Wood is why the author of this post had written the Angles will hit more HR and run less aggressively. I'm not suggesting Brandon Wood is fleet-footed, but he did steal 68 bases (19 CS) in his minor league career. Aggressive base running is a trademark of Angel baseball and will continue in 2010...with more home runs thrown in. Regarding base on balls, the loss of Figgins will hurt, but the Angels did add a hitter who's capable of drawing a walk when they signed Matsui. Matsui's walk total from last season of 64 would have placed him 3rd on the team, plus he's replacing Guerrero who had a total of 19.
Overall, the 2010 Angels look to be weaker offensively according to the projections.
Kendry Morales, Maicer Izturis, Torii Hunter, Hideki Matsui, Juan Rivera, Bobby Abreu, and Erick Aybar are all projected to perform worse in ‘10 than in ‘09. Howie Kendrick is expected to repeat what he did last year, and only catchers Mike Napoli and Jeff Mathis are expected to improve. Click this link to see the pretty graph.
Other than Kendry Morales and Erick Aybar, all of the other Angel regulars performed right around their career averages. Of those two, Aybar is the most likely to repeat his performance. Matsui should outperform Guerrero's 2009 totals, while replacing any playing time recently traded Matthews would have received. The season might hinge on the play of Wood at third base, but even if he struggles, Izturis is ready to contribute.
The addition of Fernando Rodney does little to improve a bullpen that ranked 11th out of 14 American League teams in ERA last season. Angels relievers blew 19 saves, seven of which came from closer Brian Fuentes whose ERA was much too close to 4.00. All told, the Angels are spending over $25 million, or about 25% of their payroll before arbitration cases are settled, on decidedly mediocre relief pitching.
During 2009, the Angel reliever's numbers were:
|
W |
L |
ERA |
IP |
H |
ER |
HR |
BB |
SO |
WHIP |
SO/9 |
SO/BB |
|
|
First Half |
11 |
13 |
5.34 |
215.7 |
237 |
128 |
23 |
102 |
189 |
1.572 |
7.89 |
1.8529 |
|
Second Half |
16 |
10 |
3.80 |
267.7 |
260 |
113 |
29 |
105 |
209 |
1.364 |
7.03 |
1.9905 |
That 11 out of 14 ranking is a bit misleading, as the Angels suffered with injuries and the use of rookie pitchers. The signing of Fernando Rodney should insure fans will not see the likes of Rafael Rodriquez (5.58 ERA), Shane Loux (7.46 ERA in 12 games as a reliever) or some other triple-A pitcher. Plus, those first half numbers were inflated by departed relievers Justin Speier (5.18) and Jose Arredondo (6.00).
What it boils down to then, is that the Angels are relying heavily on a starting rotation that includes four pitchers that are still under the age of 30 in Scott Kazmir, Joe Saunders, Ervin Santana, and Jered Weaver. Including newcomer Pineiro (listen douchebag, it's spelled...oh wait that one's right), the CHONE projections see all five starters earning ERA's above 4.00:
- Weaver: 4.10
- Kazmir: 4.23
- Pineiro: 4.37
- Santana: 4.53
- Saunders: 4.57
Let's start at the top...
- Weaver's career ERA is 3.73 and he's only had an ERA over 3.91 once in his career. Why, all of a sudden would his ERA balloon to 4.10? It won't.
- Kazmir's ERA after joining the Halos on August 29th was 1.73 in six starts. His career ERA is 3.83. The only season his ERA was over 4.00 since his rookie season was during 2009 while suffering from thigh and forearm problems.
- Pineiro would go either way. Some feel last season (ERA+ of 118), after altering his pitching strategy, will be more indicative of future performance than his career ERA+ of 98. But Angels fans will be happy if he can post an ERA close to his career ERA of 4.39, considering he's slotted as the #5 guy in the rotation.
- An Era of 4.53 from Santana in 2010 would be right around his career numbers (4.53), but Santana has shown he's capable of much better performance when healthy.
- Since his rookie season, the only time Saunders has had an ERA over 4.53 was in 2009 when hit the disabled list for the first time in his career. After returning from shoulder stiffness, Saunders went 7-0 while compiling an ERA of 2.55. Saunders isn't a staff ace, but he's much better than given credit for.
The odds are that the projections won't nail all five of them, so I wouldn't bet on the Angels starting rotation looking as bad as CHONE says.
No shit.
However, the Angels could have easily improved the rotation but GM Tony Reagins seems to be content relying on young talent with thin resumes (or, in the case of Kazmir, a durability issue).
I'm curious how the Angels could have easily improved the rotation. The Angels did not have the players the Blue Jays wanted for Roy Halladay. And who knows if the Angels were even contacted regarding acquiring Cliff Lee.
At the moment, it is the L.A. Angels who take the cake for having baseball's least productive off-season.
Even though the Angels lost Figgins and Lackey, did they really have the least productive off-season?
- The Chicago Cubs signed Marlon Bryd and John Grabow.
- The other Chicago team made a splash in the free agent market by signing Andruw Jones and Omar Vizquel.
- Cincinnati signed a couple players to minor league contract and Aroldis Chapman.
- Cleveland's only major league contract signee has been Mike Redmond.
- Florida hasn't signed anyone.
- Kansas City gave $11M to Rick Ankiel, Jason Kendall and Scott Podsednik.
- The Dodger re-signed two of their own players and Jamie Carroll.
- Minnesota signed Clay Condrey (and re-signed Carl Pavano for $7M)
- The defending champ Yankees signed Nick Johnson and gave 37 year-old Andy Pettitte $11.75M.
- Oakland was able to convince Coco Crisp to play for them.
- Pittsburgh's big signing was Octavio Dotel (for $3.5M).
- San Diego got Jerry Hairston.
- Toronto traded away Roy Halladay, but they did sign Lance Broadway.
That's 13 teams whose fans would be happy if their favorite team were as least productive.
They played like a 92-win team last year according to their Pythagorean W-L.
Another season where the Angels outdid their Pythagorean. Is anyone still surprised by this?
As they are constructed presently, the Angels are a mid-80's team (about 87 if you're looking for a ballpark number) in terms of wins.
Pineiro had a WAR of 4.8 last season. If he does half as well as he did in 2009, the Angels should be projected to win 90+ games in 2010...
Considering how significantly the Seattle Mariners have improved, the Angels couldn't afford to downgrade.
...which should be more than the significantly improved Mariners. Last season, the Mariners finished at 85-77, which was 10 games above what Pythagorean would have calculated THEIR record to be. Have they improved enough to overcome their fluky season as Pythag suggested and to catch the Angels in 2010? They would have to have at least a 12 game improvement. I don't think they did.
Reagins did so willingly: he tailed off his pursuit of multiple ace pitchers and waved the white flag after attempting to retain John Lackey.
Once again, what pursuit was tailed off? And being financially responsible by not re-signing a pitcher who has started the last two seasons on the disabled list to an $82M+ salary is not waving a white flag.
He settled for Pineiro, Matsui, and Rodney, much like the aforementioned disillusioned settle for DeVry University, a job waiting tables, and a significant other with a face only a mother could love.
This is just too stupid to comment on as I have nothing against DeVry graduates, waiters, nor ugly women.
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I don't know about debating word for word some dudes blog nobody has ever heard of.
What do you need a fancy suit for, Charlie, you ain't got no job to wear it to.
Bill Baer
Bill Baer | Writer
Bill is a diehard Phillies fan with a Phillies-themed blog called Crashburn Alley. He is an avid proponent of Sabermetrics. As soon as he’s certified to teach math classes, he hopes to use it as a tool to help high school students understand and enjoy mathematics. When he’s not blogging, Bill works for a real estate services company.
It isn’t every day that someone steps up and provides the literal definition of “sophomore”. Baer apparently is happy to oblige.
Note also that the tags on his article help link readers to other stories about “Joel Piniero”.
"He's not a Rhodes Scholar to begin with''~Theo Epstein, talking about Papelbon
by George Kaplan on Jan 24, 2010 7:15 PM PST up reply actions
Funny Jim a slammin
Not yet to Yuma and laughing my ass off
by Rev Halofan on Jan 24, 2010 7:20 PM PST via mobile reply actions
Why in God's name are you going to Yuma?
"You gotta have nuts." - Torii Hunter / Part-Time Nemesis of the HH Reply Function
by Commander_Nate on Jan 25, 2010 8:26 AM PST up reply actions
I see, does this have to do with the Saints or something?
I’ve been to Yuma once. I drove the whole way out there in a small convoy of un-airconditioned humvees wearing a helmet and flak vest in the middle of July a few years ago. I spent the whole 5 hour return trip sitting in the back.
It was inhumanely hot and I vowed never to return. Leave it to the scorpions I say.
"You gotta have nuts." - Torii Hunter / Part-Time Nemesis of the HH Reply Function
by Commander_Nate on Jan 25, 2010 9:00 AM PST up reply actions
You should have went to Contention City. They got a train there that runs to Yuma.
Makes the whole trip easier. Leaves around 3:10.
Had I owned the Pittsburgh Pirates, I could have saved America.
Couldn't do that...orders and all that ya know?
"You gotta have nuts." - Torii Hunter / Part-Time Nemesis of the HH Reply Function
by Commander_Nate on Jan 25, 2010 9:31 AM PST up reply actions
If you just heard a giant "woosh" above your head...
…it’s because he was referencing a movie. Here.
Gotta be careful with Stirrups…
My bad, it's Monday
And I only saw that movie once. It’s sort of a distant memory now haha
"You gotta have nuts." - Torii Hunter / Part-Time Nemesis of the HH Reply Function
by Commander_Nate on Jan 25, 2010 9:58 AM PST up reply actions
However, that particular train
only runs once every 50 years.
Had I owned the Pittsburgh Pirates, I could have saved America.
He's there for his Art Critic stuff
I spent a year in Yuma one month. Kind of the same situation…TAD.
You spent a year there in one month?
That must have aged you terribly!
"You gotta have nuts." - Torii Hunter / Part-Time Nemesis of the HH Reply Function
by Commander_Nate on Jan 25, 2010 9:59 AM PST up reply actions
I almost had to go there, glad I didn't
A company I worked for did testing there. I did get to go to White Sands in New Mexico, that was pretty cool.
You ever been to Fort Sill?
Not much there there, either.
Angels baseball. We do what we must, because we can -- HaloDutch
Talk about slipping, the Colorado Rockies are interested in signing
Justin Speier and Robb Quinlan.
The 2009 Pregame Picks Winner and Iron Man of Halos Heaven.com
this is a good sign
we dominate in years the media assumes we’re dead. This just guarantees another division title.
of course, they wouldn’t dare point out the ways seattle overachieved and is investing in chone figgins’ contract year and casey kotchman…and milton bradley.
so its the worst case scenario in every way for us and the perfect storm for them? Ya, because that’s how it usually ends up…
FIle this one under “Dont Care”
RIP Nick Adenhart
I love that all the "nerds" can't figure us out.
That must piss them off.
First we had a Salmon and now we have a Trout, let's see the same results.
I know...we're like a hot chick to them!
"You gotta have nuts." - Torii Hunter / Part-Time Nemesis of the HH Reply Function
by Commander_Nate on Jan 25, 2010 8:27 AM PST up reply actions
Haha
First we had a Salmon and now we have a Trout, let's see the same results.
by angelskid2210 on Jan 25, 2010 6:33 PM PST up reply actions
The media.....
and apparently many rabid fans like to rate personnel moves by ignoring payroll entirely and ignoring any season beyond the upcoming year.
According to these critics the future isn’t relevant, payroll doesn’t exist and bad contracts 4-5 years down the line don’t matter.
So yeah throwing out all those factors the Angel off-season is a failure.
The Dissection and Evisceration of one Bill Baer by WiHaloFan.
Perfect drubbing of the idiot Baer, whose knowledge of the Halos is obviously nil.
Albatross, thy name is GMJ.
This Baer guy is a jackass
I made sure to read the article before your critique, which made the FJM treatment so much better. Great job, WIHaloFan.
#34, never forget.
Hard for me to care about yet another member of the blogosphere foretelling our demise.
He can join Buster Olney, Karl Ravich, Tim Kurkjian, Peter Gammons, well you get the picture. According to those fine folks at various sports media outlets we’ve been lucky, more than successful year in, and year out. Screw ’em.
YOU DON'T KNOW THE POWER OF THE DARKSIDE.....
When stats and projections start winning games and players don't, let me know.
Then, I’ll be able to save a boatload of cash and pretty much resign myself to my computer chair and my beer pong table.
k, thx, bye
"You gotta have nuts." - Torii Hunter / Part-Time Nemesis of the HH Reply Function
by Commander_Nate on Jan 24, 2010 10:42 PM PST reply actions
Good job lighting up that idiot
although to Baer’s credit, he did spell “Lee” correctly.
"All I need are some tasty waves, a cool buzz, and I'm fine."
by Quad Fin Rider on Jan 24, 2010 11:46 PM PST reply actions
It's hilarious to read the comments, the reality is much close to the author's than it is to the blind devotional who think
Reagins moves somehow made our team better
I don't think anybody is saying we got "better"
But I disupute the fact that we got significantly worse.
John Lackey was 11-8 with a 3.83 ERA and didn’t make a start until almost June for the 2nd straight year. Those numbers are pretty average. His “Ace” title hasn’t actually been his since 2007. Jered Weaver, Joe Saunders, and Ervin Santana have all held it in the interim for the past two years.
Matsui was much better than Vlad last year and roughly the same as Vlad was in 2008. He is more disciplined at the plate as well. Call it a wash or a minor improvement.
Figgins is fast and plays great defense, but he sucks ass in the playoffs and that’s all there is to it. We have 3-4 guys right now who could be viable leadoff hitters with above average to great speed. All Brandon Wood needs to do is play acceptable defense and hit something like .260/15/60 out of the 9 spot and he’ll have replaced or upgraded Figgins’ offensive production. This should be fairly easy for him to do.
What I find hilarious is all this talk of Seattle taking the West with only 2 proven SP’s and a middle-lineup that goes something like this: Gutierrez, Bradley, Griffey, Kotchman. I’d be surprised to see more than 50-60 HRs from those 4 guys, especially given the massive size of Safeco Field.
It’s like all these self-proclaimed prophets forgot that we still have most of our 883 run-producing lineup with a middle of; Hunter, Morales, Rivera, Matsui or that this team called the Texas Rangers still exists with a powerful offense, a favorable park and improving pitching. It’s like nobody pays attention to them no matter what they do. If I was a Ranger fan, I’d be pissed off.
"You gotta have nuts." - Torii Hunter / Part-Time Nemesis of the HH Reply Function
by Commander_Nate on Jan 25, 2010 8:47 AM PST up reply actions
or that this team called the Texas Rangers still exists with a powerful offense, a favorable park and improving pitching. It’s like nobody pays attention to them no matter what they do. If I was a Ranger fan, I’d be pissed off.
Sorry Nate, you just lost me with this one… In what reality does the Rangers have a ‘favorable park’? I’ve made comments on this blog in the past where I show how the Rangers park is probably the leading factor as to why they’ve only been to the playoffs three times…
Perhaps these rare playoff performances, and the fact that they’ve only one a grand total of one playoff game in their entier 49 year history are contributing factors as to why nobody pays attention to them…
In what reality don't they have a favorable park?
It’s a pretty well established fact that The Ballpark in Arlington is a launching pad, the fact that they have one of the most powerful lineups in baseball means that this benefits them.
Offense has never been the Rangers’ problem, it’s always been terrible pitching. When Kevin Millwood is your best pitcher, you’ve got problems. Last year, young starters stepped it up for them. If they can repeat that and adapt to the league’s adjustments to them, then the Rangers will be a force.
The only way their park has hindered them is that their pitching was so terrible in the past that opposing hitters often benefited from Arlington as much as the Rangers own hitters.
"You gotta have nuts." - Torii Hunter / Part-Time Nemesis of the HH Reply Function
by Commander_Nate on Jan 25, 2010 1:24 PM PST up reply actions
Time Will Tell !!!
Arte reminds me of George Orwell’s 84 (double think) and not to mention he looks a whole hell of a lot like him too.
It's Always Somethin'
Anyone that spent the time to read the entire post has my utmost respect.
I couldn’t do it.
I've got nothing.
I think a lot of people
think like this, that the Angels will be worse next year. But many if not all of us know better. Let them talk
2009 was good. Now on to 2010 - Let's go Halos!
I'm really done with that idea that Seattle will do us in.
Last time I checked, grabbing a speedy and aging 3rd baseman and an ace pitcher while losing quite a bit of power in Branyan and Beltre doesn’t turn a 3rd place team into a 1st place team.
Anyways, this post shows why Joe Nobody’s blog doesn’t matter.
I miss Hudler already.
Unknown Blogger
I did a little research and discovered that this blogger went to DeVry, works nights in a Dennys, and dates a girl whose face looks like an unmade bed…
2 Things...
1st – As a person of math and science I will be the first to tell you that numbers do not lie but how you manipulate them and read them does. In science when your hypothesis is proven wrong time and time again you have to draw a different conclusion. Any DeVry student would tell you that. Pythagoreous says leave triangles to me and baseball prognosticating to Nostradamus.
2nd – Ugly girls try harder, if you know what I mean. Any DeVry student would tell you that.
Hell, why should we even bother playing the games. Seattle is going to win the world series, just ask the SABR guys.
Angels baseball. We do what we must, because we can -- HaloDutch
it is never a good sign
of an article when names are misspelled
It is like when The Angels are in the playoffs and the horrid announcers can’t pronounce players names correctly or give the story of a player and attribute it to the wrong player. You right away know that the opinions of this person doesn’t matter.
Numbers guys are rarely correct. every year they predicted that it was Bostons year… and once in 86 years they were right. they also predict the Cubs will have a great year, and they rarely make the postseason. The Angels constantly outperform their Pythag. No one ever thinks to alter the ‘calculations’ because they are not reliable, they just continue on every year.
Wow, so they see that something doesn’t work but arrogantly they do it again thinking that this time it will be different because they are smarter than the last guy. Kind of like increasing government spending and raising taxes during a recession, huh Obama.
My prediction as of 12-11-2009- Wood .265 avg, 20 HRs 70 RBIs and an above average glove at 3b
by Sinatrasratpack on Jan 25, 2010 8:30 AM PST reply actions
Well, actually the Pythag formula is VERY reliable...
If you look at the thousands of baseball seasons played over the years by all major leage teams, and compare their results vs what phthag predicts, you would be knocked on your ass at how good the predictions are on average…
The fact that the Angels continue to out perform their pythag means they’re doing something right but nobody, aside from maybe Scioscia knows what it is.
I’m as skeptical as the next guy about reading so much into the stats but I will give credit where credit is due. How many years have we suffered thru pundits wax on about batting averages and RBIs blissfully unaware that those two stats are pretty dang meaningless when talking about a hitter’s ability to produce runs
Nice work Jim........
awesome rebuttal!
Yeah, I just stare at my desk, but it looks like I'm working. I do that for probably another hour after lunch too, I'd say in a given week I probably only do about fifteen minutes of real, actual, work. - Peter Gibbons
by norcaliangelsfan on Jan 25, 2010 8:32 AM PST reply actions
Nerds will tell you that...
you should use 3rd order pythag numbers. Which were…
Angels 86.8
Rangers 85.3
Mariners 83.0
A’s 81.8
So only a 3.8 win difference between the Angels and Mariners by this metric. I’m not saying this metric is gospel, but it is more highly thought of than the first order pythagorean numbers. Angels probably lose a couple of wins from the loss of Lackey and Figgins (taking into account their replacements) and the Mariners pick up a few wins. Should be a very tight three team race.
vr, Xei
Nah
The Angels have super magic anti-pythag fairy dust on their side (kidding people).
What are your sims/projections for the AL West like?
Aaron King is still my homeboy... iffy mechanics and all
McFAQ for all you newcomers out there.
GET THAT VORP AND WHIP SH!T OUTTA HERE!!!
Whomever Sabean signs this off-season will make a good platoon partner with Ryan Gark-ohh... nevermind...
I haven't done sim projections yet
I did the first 50 games of the Dodgers schedule already. It is pretty time consuming building the lineup files, but I may be able to do something similar on a smaller scale for the Angels. Not sure what the added value would be though. My WAR study had the Angels in the mid 80s as far as wins go. But I prefer using the sim as it does a better job of measuring strength of schedule. But both methods have their plus and minuses. :)
vr, Xei
Then one for the Giants? :-D
Aaron King is still my homeboy... iffy mechanics and all
McFAQ for all you newcomers out there.
GET THAT VORP AND WHIP SH!T OUTTA HERE!!!
Whomever Sabean signs this off-season will make a good platoon partner with Ryan Gark-ohh... nevermind...
That's because...
…nerds are more concerned with what should have happened than with what actually did
I see red people
Third order wins would be more intimidating if we didn't beat the pants off them every year.
~Till the Halo burns out...
Yes
and even more intimidating even someone could prove why that was, other than being a statistical anomaly.
vr, Xei
Personally I do these types of stats
They have a use but it seems people take them too seriously and point to them as definitive win totals.
Play Wood already. Willits sucks.
As do I. Somehow they don't pass the smell test.
It’s kind of like coming up with a model about why the sun comes up in the morning and using that model to predict the sun coming up tomorrow. Over time, that model inherits even more and more complicated mathematics to explain anomolies and outliers. Eventually only the most committed and sophisticated in the brain trust can figure it all out and explain it, and the rest of us are dismissed as rubes.
And then, one day, along comes a guy like Copernicus…
Had I owned the Pittsburgh Pirates, I could have saved America.
I am more intimidated
by the large amounts of rain in the pacific northwest than their teams 3rd order pythag totals.
vr, Xei
Just a thought - could we stream a recording of "Hurt" on this thread? Either the Johnny Cash or NIN version will do.
I just think it fits the theme of the article so well.
"You gotta have nuts." - Torii Hunter / Part-Time Nemesis of the HH Reply Function
by Commander_Nate on Jan 25, 2010 10:16 AM PST reply actions
I dont know what it is
but writers, scouts, TV talking heads, ESPN all love to hate us.
I brought sexy back, but they only gave me store credit....
Because the team is media soft.
This is the why HH exists. To call jihad on American Media and rouse the rabble on behalf of our team.
Had I owned the Pittsburgh Pirates, I could have saved America.
One of my favorite movie quotes of all time.
Although it’s funnier – and more approriate given the context of your comment – that Howard was pushing the guys to eat more beans for the rough ride set for the next day.
We could follow that advice, then collectively take a nice deep bow at the waste and provide the American Media with a some real blowback.
The Mariners posted a team WAR of 37 last year
according to Fangraphs. If replacement level is 50 wins, then that indicates talent level is about in line with their record. When a team is built on run prevention, it makes for close, low scoring games (3-2, 2-1 etc.) The negative pythag. can be explained. A good defense/pitching staff can give up 12 runs to the Yankees on a bad day, but the dreadful ’09 Mariners offense is simply incapable of blowing out opponents to balance that. Close wins + close losses + blowout losses = pythag that innacurately evaluates talent.
wow! another of that anti-angels bandwagon...
Each of our starters projected with a 4.00+ ERA ??? Crazy!!!!! I guess this analysis is a product of fangraphs.com overuse! The angels rotation will be right there on top..
by HalosBurnsRed on Jan 26, 2010 8:24 AM PST via mobile reply actions
wow! another of that anti-angels bandwagon...
Each of our starters projected with a 4.00+ ERA ??? Crazy!!!!! I guess this analysis is a product of fangraphs.com overuse! The angels rotation will be right there on top..
by HalosBurnsRed on Jan 26, 2010 8:27 AM PST via mobile reply actions

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