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Blyleven Makes SBN's HOF Cut

SBN held a mock Hall of Fame vote. We followed the same rules that the old ladies at the BBWAA, meaning an elibgible player on the ballot only made the Hall if he received more than 75% of the vote. Two bloggers from each blog were invited to participate and most blogs complied with this number. HERE ARE THE SBN VOTING RESULTS.

Myself and Matt Welch each submitted a ballot on behalf of Halos Heaven. Matt's ballot named more players than mine did. I will leave it to Matt to discuss his selections. I voted for Bert, Larkin, Raines and Trammel. I held off on Alomar as I don't see him as a "first ballot" selection.

Bert Blyleven made the cut. Roberto Alomar was one vote short. Results are after the jump...

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Player % Vote Total Votes
Bert Blyleven 92.3% 48
Roberto Alomar 73.1% 38
Barry Larkin 63.5% 33
Tim Raines 53.8% 28
Mark McGwire 51.9% 27
Edgar Martinez 48.1% 25
Alan Trammell 40.4% 21
Andre Dawson 32.7% 17
Lee Smith 26.9% 14
Fred McGriff 25.0% 13
Dale Murphy 17.3% 9
Jack Morris 13.5% 7
Don Mattingly 11.5% 6
Harold Baines 7.7% 4
Dave Parker 3.8% 2
Kevin Appier 3.8% 2
Ellis Burks 1.9% 1
Ray Lankford 1.9% 1
Shane Reynolds 1.9% 1
Not receiving votes: Andres Galarraga, Pat Hentgen, Mike Jackson, Eric Karros, David Segui, Robin Ventura, Todd Zeile

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So not only did Blyleven make it...

…he was the ONLY one to make it?

Time to see what Wood's got!

by 101halo on Jan 4, 2010 11:22 AM PST reply actions  

According to the rules, you have to gain 5% or more of the votes to be on next years ballot...

so that means Harold Baines squeezed in? L A M E.

I bet Roberto makes it in the real voting. Consistently hit .300, swipped 25 + bags and was good for 10-15 HRS, 14 Gold Gloves and appeared in 18 consecutive All-Stars games.

For his time, he was the premier 2B. If RYNO is in the hall then there is no doubt Roberto is going.

Do it for Nick '09

by BryanHarvey'sMoustache on Jan 4, 2010 11:33 AM PST reply actions  

Someone from Over The Monster

voted for Ray Lankford. Shows the stupidity of Red Sux fans.

by ryanfea on Jan 4, 2010 11:42 AM PST reply actions  

How about Shane Reynolds?

Talk about ho-hum.

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by Slasher52 on Jan 4, 2010 12:05 PM PST up reply actions  

True.

But Reynolds is no better at the conclusion of the year than John Lackey is right now. Peter Gammons probably has Beckett and Lackey 1-2 on his posthumous votes in 2025.

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by Slasher52 on Jan 4, 2010 12:25 PM PST up reply actions  

Meant to say

conclusion of his career, rather than conclusion of the year. I was dropped on my head as a kid. And again as a teenager. And again yesterday.

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by Slasher52 on Jan 4, 2010 12:27 PM PST up reply actions  

Seriously. WTF?!

Captain, there are doubt's...

by Match Day 5 on Jan 4, 2010 8:13 PM PST up reply actions  

I can see Alomar and Larkin making the cut...

 because of the positions they played. Their offensive stats were solid, but they played tough defensive positions and that should put them over the top. .800+ career OPS middle infielders are hard to find.

Tim Raines was a good hitter but played mostly the OF. However he had a lot of SB. If Lou Brock, an inferior hitter, is in the HOF then Raines goes in too. Is that the logic here?

McGriff has almost .900 career OPS and almost 500 HR. He’s makes sense.

Blyleven is a no-brainer. Aside from his W tally every other meaningful stat is valid.

Trammell I’m not buying at all. He wasn’t even a good hitter.

McGwire makes it depending on whether you care if he did steroids when they were not against the rules and half the league was using them too.

by Nashdiesel on Jan 4, 2010 12:02 PM PST reply actions  

.900 OPS and 500 HR is McGriff not McGwire...

  McGwire was more like .980 OPS and almost 600 HR.

  And yeah he had a needle in his ass but I don’t believe that was against the rules at the time.

by Nashdiesel on Jan 4, 2010 3:44 PM PST up reply actions  

I'm not here to talk about the past...

…because I’m a pussy.

Nick would be proud.

by halofan4life on Jan 4, 2010 5:47 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

because they are illegal....

   but oddly enough being illegal and being against the rules aren’t one and the same. Go figure!

by Nashdiesel on Jan 4, 2010 10:22 PM PST up reply actions  

Hmmm

The Dutchman, Big Mac, Rock, and the Hawk would get my vote. I’m on the fence with Alomar, Larkin, and McGriff.

Where have all the great nicknames gone?

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by Slasher52 on Jan 4, 2010 12:15 PM PST reply actions  

Steve Physioc can tell you.

Its all about the de-personalization of the media. No longer are the days when every team had a Rex Hudler personality, a quirky guy who had emotion ties with the team. When you fire commentators with personality and emotions, ones who scream out in victory when a player ties a game late with a clutch home run, in favor of generic Vin Scully clones (dont get me wrong, I love Scully, but I hate everyone who fails to be him) then you lose that special touch of intimacy.

Steve Physioc is literally the embodiment of this. Steve was determined, game after game, to be a non-homer national media goon. Sure he overused some nicknames like “THE WIZARD OF OC GOSH GOLLY GEE WIZZ!” but it was like he was reading them off a script, one handed down by the management to try and spice up an otherwise bland national media whore.

With every Rex fired comes the death of cool nicknames.

I brought sexy back, but they only gave me store credit....

by PhiSlamma on Jan 4, 2010 12:56 PM PST up reply actions  

I'm not a fan of Rex as a color guy

but I get your point. Phys was as dry as Death Valley in July.

I still think Rex belongs down on the field for pre/post game interviews, mingle with the fans as a team ambassador, and the occasional in-game discussion, much like Fox does with Ken Rosenthal, only minus Ken Rosenthal. G-d, I hate Ken Rosenthal.

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by Slasher52 on Jan 4, 2010 1:03 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

I completely agree re Rex

I’m still hoping that Fox hires him to serve in a capacity similar to Bill MacDonald (minus the cradle-robbing).

by rspencer on Jan 4, 2010 8:46 PM PST up reply actions  

i agree with Rev on keeping alomar off of his first ballot

remember he spit on an umpire? there is something in the “rules” on voting that a person should keep the integrity of the game alive.

by Halos in DE on Jan 4, 2010 12:17 PM PST reply actions  

Yeah, that was UGLY

But the HOF is filled with shoddy characters, and I don’t understand the holier-than-thou attitudes that have taken over since Pete Rose’s banning and the ’roids controversy.

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by Slasher52 on Jan 4, 2010 12:23 PM PST up reply actions  

true wasn't ...

one of the Yankees greats (DiMaggio???) a real ass?

by Halos in DE on Jan 4, 2010 12:30 PM PST up reply actions  

One of my all time favorites was Ty Cobb....

Not exactly the definition of compassion and tolerance. From what I have read and seen, he was considered an extraordinary prick in his day, let alone our P.C. utopia, he’d probably have a very hard time getting in the HOF today.

YOU DON'T KNOW THE POWER OF THE DARKSIDE.....

by halofolife on Jan 4, 2010 12:54 PM PST up reply actions  

I was thinking more of that racist SOB

Ty Cobb, of course when he was among the first 5 elected, being racist was the norm. Ed Delahanty is another that comes to mind.

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by Slasher52 on Jan 4, 2010 12:56 PM PST up reply actions  

disagree with the SLASHER52 argument

Just because the standards on individual character have varied in the past is no reason to not have high standards now.

by Rev Halofan on Jan 4, 2010 1:31 PM PST up reply actions  

I really don't think that the HOF should look at character at all

Acheivement should be the only standard on who is considered the best to ever play Baseball.

by ryanfea on Jan 4, 2010 1:54 PM PST up reply actions  

The standards of the HOF may have fluctuated with time

and the only way to eliminate such fluctuations is to create a baseline for character and even statistics. What a can of worms that would open!

I personally believe that Pete Rose, Mark McGwire, and even Barry Bonds should be allowed in. More immediately, Roberto Alomar will test this character question after his spitting incident and his post-career controversies.

Don’t forget that Willie Mays and Mickey Mantle were once banned for a few years from baseball by Commissioner Kuhn, so while the HOF is in the hands of the voters, MLB has rarely been consistent in it’s ideals of character.

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by Slasher52 on Jan 4, 2010 3:11 PM PST up reply actions  

Joe Jackson called...

 insert witty quip about his double-standard here…

by Nashdiesel on Jan 4, 2010 4:06 PM PST up reply actions  

Don't feel too sorry for Joe Jackson

After being banned from baseball he did go on to a successful career in music with hits like “Is She Really Going Out With Him?”, “Steppin’ Out” and “Breaking Us In Two”. Though he couldn’t resist every now and then in concert pulling Black Betsy out from behind an amp and taking swings at baseballs fans would throw up on stage.

by Hoppity Hooper on Jan 4, 2010 9:55 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

Shocked

Frankly, it shocks me that Larkin and Raines aren’t near-unanimous picks. I can’t imagine the real voters not picking Larkin, although I don’t understand how they failed to pick Raines his first time around. The relative lack of support (25%) for McGriff also surprises. I would expect him to garner around 50%, especially considering that he hasn’t been linked (that I know of) to PED use, unlike so many of his contemporaries.

by jjackflash on Jan 4, 2010 2:42 PM PST reply actions  

Where's Dave Stewart?

Not that he could get in but he’s a better pitcher than everyone listed but Blyleven.

Bert and Roberto belong. So does Larkin….

by Lee Stevens' Potential on Jan 4, 2010 6:51 PM PST reply actions  

My rationales, more or less

Can be found here.

On the various controversies, I find it bizarre that kicking dirt on an umpire is comical, bumping an umpire is a mild suspension, and spitting on an umpire is borderline yer-outta-da-Hall behavior. It was an ugly and classless move, but that’s really about it.

McGwire? He had sick, monstrous power before baseball expanded twice, built a raft of bandbox ballparks, and looked the other way while tall skinny guys like McGwire turned into 6’6" Popeyes and drank stuff out of strange-looking bottles. Baseball was a different sport from 1988-93 than it was from 1994-onward; *everyone*s home run totals spiked up afterward. Meanwhile, McGwire moved from a stadium that kills home runs to one that doesn’t. Bottom line is, he produced Hall of Fame results on the field, even in a short career, and not voting for a guy based on the way he responds to being hauled up in front of Congress is not my bag.

Alan Trammell “wasn’t even a good hitter”? He hit .285 at a time when the league average was .264. His OBP was .352 in a .330 era. Slugging was .415 in a .402. He was, in other words 10% better than league average, while playing shortstop (including Gold-Glove caliber) for two decades. Five times in the top 10 in batting average, 4 times for OBP, 3 times for runs, twice for RBI, once for slugging. Got MVP votes in 7 different seasons, made 6 All-star teams.

McGriff is the toughest call for me; ultimately the guy was a good or great hitter for 16 consecutive seasons, putting up All-Star caliber numbers for a solid decade. He’s somewhere in Tony Perez/Raffy Palmeiro territory, which is borderline, but give me the guy who plays 150 games every year w/ 30 homers for more than a decade.

by mattwelch on Jan 5, 2010 2:36 AM PST reply actions  

I suppose if Phil Rizzuto is in the HOF...

 then Trammell should be a lock. You make a good point about the rest of his competition at the time. That said, his numbers are still hard to ignore as less than great. He eclipsed 75 RBI only 3 times in 22 seasons (he hit over 100 in 1987, the juice ball year). He has 20 HR only twice and didn’t know how to take a walk. He wasn’t really a power hitter, wasn’t really a leadoff hitter, and wasn’t really a speedster on the bases. .767 Lifetime OPS is hardly great. His defense was very good. That’s his finest quality. Maybe we can point to Ozzie Smith as a benchmark and if he is in then so should Trammel.

He also was injured quite a bit and only averaged 115 games a season over the course of his career.

I don’t know I’m just not all that excited about his hitting numbers.

by Nashdiesel on Jan 5, 2010 10:57 AM PST up reply actions  

alomar and larkin should be automatic

they were the top of their position for years. larkin is overshadowed because of the SS boom of the late 90s somewhat, but let’s remember that while jeter held up, nomah sure didn’t.

i think bert deserves to get in and i hope this is the year, and i think mcgriff is undervalued and deserves to get in as well.

tim raines will get in, but he’s not a first-ballot guy.

torn on trammel. he was awesome in RBI Baseball.

R.I.P. Nick Adenhart - Always an Angel

by Kernel on Jan 5, 2010 8:58 AM PST reply actions  

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