Chapman to sign in 3-4 days; Angels and Blue Jays Frontrunners

The story below, which I found on MLBTR, pretty much sums it up. Players would be the ones to know when they're about to sign, as Matt Holliday proved just today, so I don't see any reason to doubt that he is nearing a decision.
The story basically states that the Marlins' $13+ million offer and hope of luring Chapman with the large Cuban community in South Florida is not going to be enough. A source in the article believes the Blue Jays and Angels are the favorites and that the deal will be around $21 million. How credible is this source? Who knows.
Say what you will about the "edge" the Angels may or may not have on him with Kendry Morales. I firmly believe that if it really is between the Angels and Blue Jays, then we've pretty much got him locked up.
$21 million isn't a bad investment for someone who could be the next Randy Johnson if things work out best. Consider that the money will likely be spread out over several years, with a signing bonus in the first year and a salary that starts low and rises as the contract continues based on his performance. It could possibly be structured like Kendry's deal which, from my understanding, was basically two different deals depending on if he was in the minors or majors.
UPDATE 2:00 PM 1/6/10
The Yankees, Mets, and Astros are out. This bodes well for us if we really are still in it.
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Hmmm...
I hope we ge him
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by Figgi4life on Jan 5, 2010 8:07 PM PST via mobile reply actions
i do to and this sounds positive
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by TheAngelsColts on Jan 5, 2010 10:05 PM PST up reply actions
Not my money
Go ahead and break the bank for this kid. We get younger and don’t give up a pick for compensation.
we also do not know the years i dont think it is 21 per year it is over the contract
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by TheAngelsColts on Jan 5, 2010 10:06 PM PST up reply actions
Well, to be fair...
…it could be worse than Jered Weaver, part II. He could just wash out in the minors.
But at 6’10" and with a left-handed powerball that’s been clocked at 102, I’m willing to gamble on the upside.
On the other hand...
- Tall guys like Johnson and Mark Hendrickson get huge whip action on their pitches because of their height, but their mechanics are also more prone to going out of whack. They need constant maintanence from the pitching coach.
- I don’t think any scout has seen Chapman put 102 on a radar gun in awhile. It is a large part of his legend, but he didn’t get above mid-90s in the bullpen sessions he threw for the scouts a few weeks ago (according to the accounts I read) and he didn’t throw to live bats.
- Unlike Strassburg and Darvish, who have a resume of accomplishment outside of MLB, Chapman is being sold on his upside, not on his pedigree. His control issues are widely chronicled, as well as several examples of immaturity and insubordination on the field.
I am still not sold.
"He's not a Rhodes Scholar to begin with''~Theo Epstein, talking about Papelbon
by George Kaplan on Jan 6, 2010 11:11 AM PST up reply actions
Chapman did not perform 100% effort at the scouting session
This was because he has not worked out nor faced live competition in a while since he was busy defecting and moving all over the globe trying to put some roots down somewhere.
The scouts were told to expect this and understood it. If he can throw 96-97, which he did towards the end of the session at 90% or so, there’s no reason to doubt he can’t hit 100 after getting in shape and going full-bore.
This was on MLBTR and I think SI and ESPN as well at the time of the throwing session.
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by Commander_Nate on Jan 6, 2010 12:16 PM PST up reply actions
No Way
$21 Million? Nope.
Strasburg got $16 Million and Boras is his agent – this guy’s agents were so dumb they did not realize the new tax laws for 2010 cost their client an extra 30% if his signing bonus. Maybe every word of that article is true right up to that purported dollar amount, but I will be shocked if he gets anything beyond Strasburg, expecially in this economy, especially with the memory of Maels Rodriguez flameout for the D-Backs still looming large
21 Million for the first six years isnt bad
Especially since he is a lefty. Hard throwing lefties are hard to find, especially ones so young.
If this kid can break into the majors in two years and preform you can consider 21 million/6 a steal.
It would not be fun to see the Marlins sign him, have him pitch amazing, then trade him to the Red Sox.
I brought sexy back, but they only gave me store credit....
Maybe the higher amount is to cover the taxes?
I kid, I kid.
If he’s even half as good as advertised you’re getting a young, quality starting pitcher at less than $10 million per year for 6 years and probably less than $5 million per for the first couple years.
It’s his price once he hits free agency you gotta worry about if he cperforms as advertised.
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by Commander_Nate on Jan 5, 2010 8:36 PM PST up reply actions
It is possible he will fail at starting and end up being a late inning reliever.
Is it still a good deal if that happens?
by Wally's World on Jan 5, 2010 10:51 PM PST up reply actions
YES especially if it is a 5-6 year deal. cause then it would only be about 3.5 to 4.2 mil. a year which is pretty good for a guy
with the upside this one has.
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by TheAngelsColts on Jan 5, 2010 10:55 PM PST up reply actions
Yes
If he pans out as a reliever with a 100+ fastball and decent secondary pitches he could be the next Mariano Rivera. Or at least the next K-Rod or Joe Nathan.
I’d take all of those at under $10 mil a year for a few years early in his career.
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by Commander_Nate on Jan 6, 2010 8:55 AM PST up reply actions
Rivera's success isn't due to throwing 100+mph.
The 2 characteristics that have made Rivera so good for so long;
1) The late break on his cut fastball. No other pitcher has been able to match the late break on this pitch.
2) Control that rivals Greg Maddux.
He’ll need more than speed to reach the level of Rivera, Nathan and K-Rod.
I merely meant performance wise
Ridiculous speed is a pretty solid base to build on.
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by Commander_Nate on Jan 6, 2010 10:28 AM PST up reply actions
Fair enough.
It seemed implied in your comment that “…a 100 mph fastball and decent secondary pitches…” could make him as good as Rivera, Nathan or K-Rod.
A 100 MPH fastball is a good base upon which to build but is no guarantee of successon the same level as the three guys mentioned above. On that, I believe we agree.
Not to mention the Yankee Strike Zone.
Oops. I mentioned it.
Had I owned the Pittsburgh Pirates, I could have saved America.
Perhaps.
I believe Rivera would have had similar success pitching for any other MLB team, although the amount of gushing praise would have been reduced by about 75%.
Besides, it appeared to me the ball/strike calls he received in the ‘09 playoff’s against the Angels were about consistent with the way they were called for other pitchers.
Should be noted
Strasburg wasn’t available in the open market like Chapman is. It’s hard to compare the two as a result.
Also, Strasburg <<<<<<< Chapman.
I wouldn't know
We both went to SDSU at the same time but he’s a few years younger than me so I never met him. A few of my frat buddies tried out for the baseball team too and I don’t remember them saying anything about him.
Come to think of it, I don’t think I ever actually saw him pitch for the Aztecs despite going to some games.
Regardless, if there is a difference it’s merely in polish and demeanor. Every report indicates that they both have tremendous upside. Until they face Mauer or Pujols and the like, we won’t know for certain.
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by Commander_Nate on Jan 5, 2010 8:48 PM PST up reply actions
i saw him pitch in petco last spring
he was pretty incredible.
by Of Angels and Angles on Jan 5, 2010 9:27 PM PST up reply actions
got to realize this isn't for just one year this is over multiple years
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by TheAngelsColts on Jan 5, 2010 10:07 PM PST up reply actions
Is this really surprising
when we gave Rodney 5.5 mil a year?
RIP Nick Adenhart
by ihearhowie2.0 on Jan 5, 2010 11:01 PM PST up reply actions
and this is a better deal than that one. even less when you consider the years
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by TheAngelsColts on Jan 5, 2010 11:04 PM PST up reply actions
Front runners in another FA race?
COOL BEANS
What do you need a fancy suit for, Charlie, you ain't got no job to wear it to.
I do not have high hopes for him, but as stated above. It is not my money
Play Wood already. Willits sucks.
At that price...
…I hope your feeling pans out.
But for a reasonable and I mean reasonable price…I give my blessings.
It's Always Somethin'
this is reasonable actually a great price
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by TheAngelsColts on Jan 5, 2010 10:09 PM PST up reply actions
Doubt its us
Whenever we’re mentioned in a rumor like this, we rarely are the ones who get the FA.
We are ninjas.
Surely the Angels have the upperhand over the Blue Jays
But this offseason nothing will surprise me.
OK, I'm finally over losing Tex. Thanks Kendry.
UPDATE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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by Vladd#27 on Jan 5, 2010 10:08 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
nice photoshop attempt :) but i can tell the diffrence lol
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by TheAngelsColts on Jan 5, 2010 10:11 PM PST up reply actions
tell the difference of what?
i was at del taco today and saw them
hahahahahahahaha
R.I.P. Nick Adenhart #34
yes of course my bad hahaha, i know CG
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by TheAngelsColts on Jan 5, 2010 10:17 PM PST up reply actions
yea i wanted us to keep kelvim but oh well
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by TheAngelsColts on Jan 5, 2010 10:23 PM PST up reply actions
I stand by my opinion.
If it wasn’t for that Sean John guy…Kelvim would be rockin’ Cy Young.
It's Always Somethin'
sean john?? all i know is now sadly i think he will do well with the mets :( as he seems to not be experiencing
issues in the winter league
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by TheAngelsColts on Jan 5, 2010 10:56 PM PST up reply actions
He's in NY...closer to Miami and the mamis'
And another couple milli in the bill fold. Good for him !
Oh, and no I don’t think he will ever again amount to the bling on his neck.
It's Always Somethin'
he wont be the pitcher he was and will be a reliever but i think he will do pretty well as one. and im happy for him
i just wish we would have signed him and seen what he would do for us.
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by TheAngelsColts on Jan 5, 2010 11:33 PM PST up reply actions
YES!
Thank you for making my post “awesomer”.
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by Commander_Nate on Jan 5, 2010 10:17 PM PST up reply actions
hey nate do you go on MLB.com anymore?
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by TheAngelsColts on Jan 5, 2010 10:18 PM PST up reply actions
Yeah, gotta defend the home turf
I spend more time here now though since I joined last month. There’s no filters, more structure and less moronic trolls.
I was wondering if you were the same FAITH from the official site. I think there’s a few others from there on here too.
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by Commander_Nate on Jan 5, 2010 10:21 PM PST up reply actions
Nope, same one as here on most sites
It’s sort of my high-school-nickname-turned-online -persona.
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by Commander_Nate on Jan 5, 2010 10:24 PM PST up reply actions
i still see some of the others on the other official site but am rarely there anymore
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by TheAngelsColts on Jan 5, 2010 10:26 PM PST up reply actions
yea i am the same faith but im not angelsfaith on that site anymore im COLTSANGELS i believe (or switched).
havent been there much since i found this site just before the playoffs actually. i havent seen many of the people from the other one but i do like the structure better here
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by TheAngelsColts on Jan 5, 2010 10:25 PM PST up reply actions
Well about the biggest development over there...
Is that our favorite pet Ranger Troll has crept out of hiding after that complete game humiliation Ervin delivered to him in September.
Anyway, I’m gonna go to sleep and take advantage of one of my roommates not blasting techno and house music like yesterday.
Hopefully I wake up to news of Kendry driving Aroldis to a nearby Del Taco.
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by Commander_Nate on Jan 5, 2010 10:31 PM PST up reply actions
The MLB.com message boards?
I used to roam those boards. Unless you’re talking about the angels messgage board. I’m pretty sure I have 20 posts there lol
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by Figgi4life on Jan 5, 2010 10:33 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
mlb.com message boards
but usually on the angels headlines. i do remember you i think some you posted a little there under the same name right?
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by TheAngelsColts on Jan 5, 2010 10:34 PM PST up reply actions
Yup
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by Figgi4life on Jan 5, 2010 10:35 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
cool yea like i was saying i havent been there in a while. i dont know if any of these others were there
unless they have changed there name when they came here. i just enjoy not having all the trolls and having more real fans. it got tiring always explaining your self there to even other “angel fans” lol
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by TheAngelsColts on Jan 5, 2010 10:40 PM PST up reply actions
Wait..What
You mean there is another place I can read about the Angels?!
word…I’m up out this hell hole !
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they dont know as much about the angels but they are not retarded lol
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by TheAngelsColts on Jan 5, 2010 10:57 PM PST up reply actions
first i think your joking. second i thought i could do two replys at once and just deleted my other to another person :(.
and 3 this one is much more informative and gets stuff out way faster. you will never get half the info you get here. also it is less structured and way more trolls as no one monitors it.
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by TheAngelsColts on Jan 5, 2010 10:53 PM PST up reply actions
umm anyway lol
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by TheAngelsColts on Jan 5, 2010 11:34 PM PST up reply actions
I don't know how I feel about this.
First of all, I sincerely doubt we end up with him, and secondly, I never know what to think of these can’t miss phenoms. Does anyone recall Maels Rodriguez? And the flip side of course, is that he could very well be as good as advertised. I’m glad it isn’t my money or decision. I would cautiously say thanks, but no thanks. If were going to invest 21 million, I say take that money, and throw it at a proven commodity. Or better yet, go into ST, with the team we have, and make a trade at the deadline. Just my opinion.
YOU DON'T KNOW THE POWER OF THE DARKSIDE.....
i dont think it is that bad. i think it is worth it given the possible upside but i do understand your hesitation.
also remember the 21 mill. is over multiple years probably 5-6
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by TheAngelsColts on Jan 5, 2010 10:54 PM PST up reply actions
I don't think its a terrible deal per se...
Other than the fact that he has yet to pitch in the bigs, so we really can’t gauge his true talent. I’d be fine with signing him, but, I also wouldn’t be upset if we didn’t. The fact of the matter is, MLBTR, has had the Halos being heavily involved in almost all the premier FA’s, and it has thus far never come to pass, I doubt this rumor as well. Having said that, we’ll probably sign him tomorrow.
YOU DON'T KNOW THE POWER OF THE DARKSIDE.....
i dont think it happens tomorrow if hi happens i think it is more of something that is done thursday or friday.
right we dont know how he will do in the bigs but we are paying him about the same i believe as we did morales when he came over if not a little less so im ok with it
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by TheAngelsColts on Jan 5, 2010 11:36 PM PST up reply actions
A deal like Kendry's?
Great. An incentive laden deal that doesn’t pay this guy 21 mill to rot in the minors is perfect here. It’s a slight gamble with tremendous upside. If it’s a front loaded deal with all this guaranteed money then no way man.
by linkbruin on Jan 5, 2010 11:35 PM PST via mobile reply actions
i think it is completely the first part. also over like 5 years
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by TheAngelsColts on Jan 5, 2010 11:37 PM PST up reply actions
The Marketing of Kendry
Anybody else notice that virtually the entire offseason, the face of Spring Training packages has been Kendry Morales?
I'm okay with this.
I miss Hudler already.
by Teixeira Who? on Jan 6, 2010 3:29 AM PST up reply actions
Well, me too!
Similarly, for the Mariners: Ichiro
Acuda must be doing the website for them....
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by red floyd on Jan 6, 2010 8:12 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Best keep perspective on this....
Doesn’t this situation smell a little bit like something Boras would do to define the market and drive the contract value up by creating perceived demand?
Yes, I know Boras is not this kid’s agent.
To let it leak that any player is “3 or 4 days away from making a decision to sign” likely translates into “I don’t like the offers thus far, give me your best and final offers now”. Furthermore, letting it leak that the Angels and Jays are front runners is telling all the other teams who submitted bids that their contract offers need to improve.
I really hope the GM formally known as the ninja can make this happen. I’m very suspicious given how this off-season has played out thus far.
Correct me if I'm wrong
but signing with a Canadian team would better aid his family considering Cuban/Canadian relations aren’t nearly as shitty as Cuban/U.S. relations. I’m pretty sure that if he were to sign with Toronto his family would have a much easier time moving and joining him there (assuming they’d want to move).
Once again, I could be talking out of my ass. If I am, forgive me.
I miss Hudler already.
Exactly...
…that would have to be the principal attraction.
I still can’t believe we’ve got the scratch to throw $21m at this kid, who’ll start in AA, when we still need a bit of tidying up for this 2010.
He’s a young kid overseas, he’ll want either his family next to him (Toronto), his new buddy / mentor next to him (Anaheim) or the rest of Cuba next to him (Miami). I’m putting money on Toronto.
I see red people
your forgetting this is 3.5 about over like 5-6 years
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by TheAngelsColts on Jan 6, 2010 10:47 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
And that's why I'm all for it.
Rec.
RIP Nick Adenhart 4/9/09
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That may be true
But he’s a resident of Andorra (not an island) at the moment, and it seems obvious that Andorra was chosen for a reason, be that taxation, citizenship status, diplomatic stance, something.
It’s all speculation anyway, I suppose.
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It was all of those reasons
Andorra is basically a leftover from the feudal era in Europe. It’s stuck in the middle of the mountains between France and Spain and from what I know, France is basically responsible for it’s defense and foreign affairs.
It is basically a haven and playground for the rich and powerful of various types. Similiar to Monaco, Lichtenstein, Luxemborg and other small feifdoms around Europe.
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by Commander_Nate on Jan 6, 2010 8:53 AM PST up reply actions
So...
They won’t let me in…not rich nor powerful.
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No, they will look at your credit cards and laugh
;)
I’m sure you can get in. My point was that it’s a nice place to live for those who can afford it due to it’s lax tax laws.
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by Commander_Nate on Jan 6, 2010 10:33 AM PST up reply actions
Not sure about that
Obama did recently make some sort of change to make it easier for Cuban expats and their families to travel back and forth to visit each other. Give this and the backing of MLB and whatever club signs him, he might be able to get something worked out with immigration officials.
This could be easier done in Canada or it could not, I have no idea.
If I’m Chapman, I’d personally feel more comfortable going with my older and newfound buddy (Morales) if the money was in the ballpark of all other offers. He’d have experience and advice on everything from adjusting to life in the US, making it to the big leagues, and keeping in contact with relatives in Cuba. Once I made my first few million bucks, I could pay or bribe someone to get my family out of Cuba if I wanted too.
Either that or just wait the Castros out. They and their grip on power won’t last much longer.
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by Commander_Nate on Jan 6, 2010 8:49 AM PST up reply actions
i've got to think that if the dollars are similar he'll sign w/the halos over the jays...
because i can’t see a kid defecting from tropical cuba to frigid canada. the thought of him freezing his ass off would tempt him to go back to cuba.
That the sole Canada-based team is included in this rumor...
…stinks of contrivance to me.
Regardless, Arte has oft-stated his willingness to crack open the piggy bank for the right “franchise” player(s). Question is, is Chapman that type of player? Is any PROSPECT?
As said here, it seems likely that any Angels contract offer would use Kendry’s deal as a template – one compensation path for minor league work, another for graduation to the majors. While this a perfectly rational approach, the MLB does not lack irrational owners and GMs.
"Sometimes I've believed as many as six impossible things before breakfast."
I think he is....
and I think Arte would for a player like this. 21/6 is pricey by prospect standards but not completely horrible by FA standards. 3.5 million a year for a potential Randy Johnson doesn’t seem completely crazy, although I have a feeling they’d do the minor/major payouts with a signing bonus and that makes it even more desirable.
Bottom Line: We’re currently under budget. There isn’t anyone that exciting to spend money on in the current FA class. Digging a little deeper for a “franchise” type player is something Arte is willing to do.
I’m currently grading the offseason at a C+. Rodney was a mediocre signing but Reagins hasn’t done anything incredibly stupid either like overpay for Lackey or Figgins. Matsui was a steal which gives him the . However we still haven’t really done any major upgrades at any position. If he signs Chapman for a reasonable price? I’ll bump it up to a B even with the understanding it doesn’t help us this year. If he goes out and grabs Garland for a 1 year deal I’ll give him an B since that does.
C+?
Who gets an F?
What do you need a fancy suit for, Charlie, you ain't got no job to wear it to.
by clover_black on Jan 6, 2010 11:12 AM PST up reply actions
So far I'd say the Dodgers
Who haven’t done much of jack squat.
The Angels FO has done nowhere near as bad a job as them or some other teams out there.
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by Commander_Nate on Jan 6, 2010 12:12 PM PST up reply actions
Dodgers
Who’d they get besides Jamey Carroll?
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You both beat me to it.
Dodgers – for both player moves and the soap opera.
"Sometimes I've believed as many as six impossible things before breakfast."
So far, the Dodgers' biggest acquisition was made by Jamie McCourt
with her acquisition of younger penis.
Which may I add he took a test too...
He got 2 A’s, 1 B , and a C………………………….. All hepatitus. Which will be waiting for you in the parking lot in 10 minutes.
I have to give a similar grade, perhaps a 'C-'
This isn’t a white flag kind of offseason like the Marlins after their WS victories, nor is a splashy kind of one like when Vlad and Torii were signed in their respective FA classes. We lost fan favorites who are most likely headed towards the downward half of their careers and due fat contracts, and gained new and useful players signed to short and safe deals. However, we also gain a bucket of draft picks which may alter this grade in a few years, depending on the work of the scouting department. Looking at the offseason by itself may yield a poor grade, but there are many factors to consider that still gives the Angels as a whole an excellent grade.
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Wish he would've "cracked open the piggy"
for Vladdy.
"Precious in the sight of the Lord, is the death of His Saints." - Psalm 116:15 Rest In Peace, Nick.
The Angels really don't have much money to spend.
This year’s FA class was rather weak. I don’t blame Reagins for not spending on it. When you walk into a department store and it’s not selling anything you particularly like, do you spend your money?
We did the smart thing, not waste huge contracts on players over 30 (Figgins and LAckey), we’re giving our top prospect a chance (Wood), we strengthened the back end of the pen (Rodney) and a wildly aged DH with an aged DH.
Beginning next year and the subsequent 3 years after that, the Angels are going to have a wealth of money becoming available from contracts ending and the right prospects to fill the holes in house.
So spending 3.5 million a year over the next 6 years for a pitcher won’t kill us. Especially one that may either be an ace or a shutdown closer.
by Halowood on Jan 6, 2010 11:42 AM PST reply actions 2 recs
How about GMJ?
If we spend 21 million on Chapman, will we still have the 18+ million to pay for someone to take GMJ off our hands. . .
Actually, that was a joke. But it goes to show you that this is crazy money, that most of us cannot even conceive of, and once you are stuck with a bad contract, you are seriously stuck with it.
Where Chapman is better than many of the High School pitching prospects, is that he’s older and more seasoned. He’s thrown more innings, which can be a good thing. Strasburg was babied throughout College and could easily blow out his arm after a year in Single A Ball. I am sure that before long, we’ll be hearing about the “Strasburg Rules.” Not saying that Chapman won’t get injured, since when it comes down to it, that’s a gamble with any young pitcher.
If the Angels farm system was better and deeper then we wouldn’t be talking about Chapman. Hopefully this coming draft, we’ll be able to reload on young arms.
GMJ is owed $21 million + over the next two years
Chapman would be owed that amount over 5 or 6 years.
It’s roughly the same amount of total money but the financing situation for Chapman would be much better for the Angels than the one for GMJ.
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by Commander_Nate on Jan 6, 2010 12:11 PM PST up reply actions
Well I would hope
Well, I was hoping that someone out there in the world of MLB would think that GMJ’s carcass is worth at least 3 million dollars and would be willing to only take 18+ million dollars of Arte’s money for him.
by righteous halo on Jan 6, 2010 1:32 PM PST up reply actions
Big draft a-comin!
I think your final point is key here. There’s a big draft coming for the Angels. You’ve gotta reserve some money to sign those guys.
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UPDATE - Yankees, Mets, Astros bail
I edited this into my OP as well. Good news for our chances.
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Boston
Are the Red Sox still involved? They offered up 15MM last I heard.
A pipeline of talent, welcome to Anaheim.
Probably
Whether or not they’d be willing to raise their offer is the question. It’s safe to say the Blue Jays are for sure involved given that they just had a private workout with him in Florida and met with his agents there afterward.
Personally I think we’d be dumb not to be involved and at least attempt to reap some benefit from his relationship with Kendry.
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by Commander_Nate on Jan 6, 2010 3:24 PM PST up reply actions
Correct me if I'm wrong
But won’t we get 6 major league seasons out of him regardless of how much or what kind of contract he signs? If he were in the draft, he’d probably go top 3 pretty easily, correct? So if the demand for an elite talent in the draft is about $7-$10 million, its not so crazy to think that same level of talent can fetch twice as much on the open market. Strasburg would have probably fetched more than $30 million if every team could bid on him. So while $20 million is a huge gamble for amateur talent, is it any crazier than blowing $100 million on an overrated starter from Japan?
Update 1/10
According to MLBtraderumors.com, Chapman has signed a 30 million dollar deal with an unknown NL club.
If this is true, I am disappointed that we didn’t land him but happy at the same time that we didn’t dish out 30 million dollars for a project.
http://twitter.com/JeffPassan/status/7598662943
"F it, let's pitch." - Ervin Santana
by Chzburger Jones on Jan 10, 2010 9:53 AM PST reply actions
Well it seems like the two most likely based on what we've heard are the Marlins and Nationals
Marlins seemed to be out if it after it passed 16 million, but who knows.
And if it’s the Nationals, they’re gonna have some pretty darn good pitching in a couple years.
Though I'm a little skeptical about the idea of him signing for a NL team
when everyone’s been saying he’s gonna go to the Angels, Sox, or Jays. It’s possible, but I’m hesitant to buy it.

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