Aroldis Chapman Rejects Mets, Close to Angels
by Rev Halofan on Jan 6, 2010 3:57 PM PST
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PrintUPDATE, MIDNIGHT: Tim Brown TWEETS that Angels source tells him that they are not hot on the trail. Brown has EXCELLENT sources with the Angels (he worked at the LA TIMES when it was still good)... I'd put all my eggs in his basket before I would any "unnamed sources" anyone else delivers.
UPDATE, 6:00 PM: Marlins, rumored to be at $16 Million, are bowing out, according to a Miami Tweeter.
The internet is alive with updates on Cuban pitcher Aroldis Chapman and the bidding for his services by just about every team in major league baseball.
The latest, per Disney's Buster Olney:
Sources: The Mets are not in on Aroldis Chapman - just as the Yankees are not in on Aroldis Chapman. One talent evaluator expects the bidding on Chapman to go to $20 million. Concern in some quarters that he is better suited for relief than as a starter. (tweeted)
MLB's internal media arm quoted Astros GM Ed Wade about his abandoning of efforts to sign the star prospect:
"If there was an assurance that Chapman was going to be a top-of-the-rotation starter almost immediately, we would take a different approach. The kid has a great arm and stuff, but we'd rather have the flexibility to sign multiples. That's the approach I've taken since I've gotten this opportunity to be here and gotten our international and Latin American programs to the point they're at now."
All of this comes in addition to the Trade Rumors post that claimed the Florida Marlins had surpassed the Boston Red Sox bid of $15+ Million and that the Angels and Blue Jays appeared most serious of any teams, discussed in detail on Halos Heaven in a Commander_Nate POST yesterday.
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Two big market teams bailing is good news
I edited this into my post from yesterday. Thought about making another one but I didn’t want to be that tool who made two back-to-back posts on the same topic.
Thanks Rev!
"You gotta have nuts." - Torii Hunter / Part-Time Nemesis of the HH Reply Function
Want to finally make a splash this offseason?
This kid will let you do it for cheap. At least compared to other long term FA contracts.
Signing this guy is kinda like calling a medium raise with KJ suited. It’s not a sure thing, but it’s a damn good play and it’s certainly worth seeing what the future holds.
If you want the typical fan to forget the political fallout of letting Lackey and Figgins walk this is a good way to assuage that.
I like your thinking.
Personally, I’m fine either way. But I have a friend who’s ready to track down the Ninja and start screaming at him, so this would help that situation. :-)
Rest in peace, Rory. When I think of some of the greatest moments my Angels fandom, I hear your voice describing them. Thanks for everything you gave us.
I was totally against this
until I saw the ear ring.
What do you need a fancy suit for, Charlie, you ain't got no job to wear it to.
Actually, I think it's pretty good dentistry...
Appears some dentist in the DR fixed those canines quite well. Esthetics takes a back seat in most countries other than the US. The gold showing like that is quite ok there, but not here in the US. And it is not really considered “bling”, but more like a status symbol: “I can afford to fix my teeth”
Our dental office staff loves to analyze photos of celebs/sports stars’ smiles to determine what they might have had done. Keeps us entertained….
Hope his pitching (if the Angels sign him) shines like his teeth!
Hey don't get me wrong...
Any comparison I make to the Wu Tang Clan should be considered high praise.
Apologies in advance.
I'm cool with the the gold slugs.
It’s the Kayne sunglasses and butt tight Hollister t-shirt…It’s all wrong.
But, dude defected from Cuba, and is about to get paid. (And he’s homies with K-Mo) That’s player !
Keep this dude away from Juan and his frosty tips and this fit just may work. Now if we could only get Arredondo to get his shit together.
It's Always Somethin'
Juan wouldn't give him frosty tips
He hasn’t earned them. This isn’t amateur hour here.
"You gotta have nuts." - Torii Hunter / Part-Time Nemesis of the HH Reply Function
by Commander_Nate on Jan 8, 2010 9:55 AM PST up reply actions
Yeah, pretty soon the CIA, FBI and NSA might be monitoring our organization
If we get anymore players from left-wing radical governments that are on bad terms with the US government that is.
If we had two Cubans and like 5 Venezuelans that would probably raise some kind of color-coded alert system in someone’s office…
"You gotta have nuts." - Torii Hunter / Part-Time Nemesis of the HH Reply Function
by Commander_Nate on Jan 6, 2010 4:23 PM PST up reply actions
The Red Scare
Red Scare can be the name of our lineup this year.
In Arte I Trust.
by SalmonStream on Jan 6, 2010 4:59 PM PST up reply actions 3 recs
Yes! I love it.
Now we have to sign him, just so we can call our team that. Kind of like the The Big Red Machine but more, well, communist. As a bonus, we’d probably become Obama’s favorite team!
No matter what happens from here on, it has been a great season.
by Rally Manatee on Jan 6, 2010 6:07 PM PST up reply actions
Uh...
..don’t you have it backward? Isn’t there a greater chance of Castro wondering why so many of his “citizens/ballplayers/comrades” are fleeing the “People’s Paradise” known as Cuba? These guys are welcomed here with open arms. If any investigation were to occur (yes, I know you’re kidding), I think it would be Castro’s secret police, not the FBI, CIA, or NSA. That or they will be more aggressive on players participating in international tournaments.
Castro's Secret Police
they themselves are not allowed to leave the island. Whole lotta investigating cannot be done on suspects who done fled when the cops cannot flea on over either.
Excellent
Now if only the Red Sox are out, I feel confident we can beat the Jays and whoever’s left.
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by Commander_Nate on Jan 6, 2010 5:37 PM PST up reply actions
I'm lazy...
Can someone tell me why he’s Cuban and his last name is Chapman?
God needed a starter. RIP #34
Because it was colonized by White Europeans from Spain...
…who brought in black slaves and also intermingled with the locals. Later the US took over. Until the Cold War you could come and go as you pleased. So, it’s a pretty mixed society ethnically.
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by Commander_Nate on Jan 6, 2010 8:12 PM PST up reply actions
I think an Al Campanis reference would be more appropriate
I must not fear. Fear is the mind-killer.
between the two, Jimmy's was more innocent
Campanis was like “Their won’t be any jobs for us whities left” … if you watch the whole video Koppel actually keeps trying to rescue Campanis and he just keeps digging himself a deeper hole that becomes a grave.
Meanwhile Jimmy the Greek is just kind of proud of his knowledge of American History and smiles thru the whole thing.
Well they (3rd Echelon) asked...
I was just explaining.
I was a Poli Sci major and International Security/Conflict Resolution minor. Before that I was a History major. I like explaining this stuff. I find it often has answers and adds reasoning for the insanity of today.
Or something like that.
"You gotta have nuts." - Torii Hunter / Part-Time Nemesis of the HH Reply Function
by Commander_Nate on Jan 6, 2010 9:51 PM PST up reply actions
where are the m's
okay first of all what happened to what i wrote before??
second, they keep taking our players
but congrats to randy johnson on a great career, even if you beat the angels in the embarrassing one game playoff in 95. glad you got 300 in washington (so i could watch it on tv).
Please, please God no...
I understand, we hurt for pitching, our rotation is currently down to its last depths, and there aren’t many (any) non-gambles left on the market…
But, criminy, 20$million for a rough-edges high heater who needs another half-decade in the minors just to learn his stuff? No thanks; let’s just sit on it. Grab some national attention while he decides, then bow-out late (notice how other teams are slowly dropping just because they want their names mentioned in the media?).
Pass on this. Let the Red Sox waste another couple dozen million on a foreign-signed pitcher.
man this isn't even accurate plus is an exaggeration in parts
first it is 21mil. (so your point is the same). but it isn’t a half a decade it would be like 2 years on a 5-6 year deal similar to morales’s. so would be more like 3.5 a year which aint bad for a gamble.
GO COLTS!!! 09 IS OURS!!!
by TheAngelsColts on Jan 6, 2010 9:39 PM PST up reply actions
Where has it ever been established that he needs half a decade?
I’ve heard everything from he could be ready for some Major League appearances late this season to he’ll be ready in a year or two. Five years never came up in any of the assessments I’ve seen.
"You gotta have nuts." - Torii Hunter / Part-Time Nemesis of the HH Reply Function
by Commander_Nate on Jan 6, 2010 9:44 PM PST up reply actions
i know there is nothing to make one think it will take that long lol
GO COLTS!!! 09 IS OURS!!!
by TheAngelsColts on Jan 6, 2010 10:00 PM PST up reply actions
Kid needs time.
He’s 22, he’s R O U G H, and, if projected to be a major league starter, he needs as much time as any newbie to professional American baseball, which even for most elite pitchers is 2-3 years at a minimum.
However, there’s not even a guarantee he can pan out to be a starter. People are projecting he’s not even going to pan out as a reliever, and is a ridiculous risk for any team.
by shiftyeyedgoat on Jan 6, 2010 10:23 PM PST up reply actions
again saying it will take 5 years is unrealistic even for a pitcher that is raw, and there is no where that says he wont pan out as a reliever
at the minimum. also isn’t any prospect a risk? starsburg is a big risk to but being payed way more than what this guy will be paid.
GO COLTS!!! 09 IS OURS!!!
by TheAngelsColts on Jan 6, 2010 10:31 PM PST up reply actions
God, it's a hyperbole. There's no way to know exactly how long he'd be in the minors.
See Cliff Lee? He made his debut in 2007. He was drafted in ’02.
Look how that turned out..
by shiftyeyedgoat on Jan 6, 2010 10:37 PM PST up reply actions
Felix Hernandez was what, 20? Griffey was 19...
Age has nothing to do with being MLB ready. Talent, technique and mentality do.
Plenty of people in baseball are saying he’s a worthwhile investment as well, I don’t think I need to link sources to point that out. The fact is we won’t know until somebody tries him out.
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by Commander_Nate on Jan 6, 2010 10:32 PM PST up reply actions
You just answered your own question.
Read the articles, hoss. This kid is years from throwing successfully in the majors.
by shiftyeyedgoat on Jan 6, 2010 10:36 PM PST up reply actions
we have read articles on him. by all accountsi dont think he is to far off of where strasburg is. maybe another year longer.
could i be wrong?? of course you never know untill they are in the majors pitching but i dont see to much to say he wont be able to succeed. even as a starter.
GO COLTS!!! 09 IS OURS!!!
by TheAngelsColts on Jan 6, 2010 10:47 PM PST up reply actions
Quoting one of your own articles:
Bottom Line – Chapman is going to be a risk for whatever team signs him. His upside is tremendous, but he’s raw in every sense of the word. Does he have the mental capacity to turn himself into a pitcher and not be just a thrower? Does a team’s development staff have a good track record in developing a talent like Chapman? Does Chapman have what it takes to put it all together and develop into a legitimate number one starter? We’ll eventually get our answers, but some team will have to shell out millions of dollars before getting them.
Best Case Outcome – No. 1 starter
More Likely Outcome – Power arm closer out of the bullpen
This says nothing about him being a guaranteed bust nor a guaranteed success. It is, however, fairly in line with what those of us in favor of signing him have been saying. I personally think $21 mil over several years is worth it, even for a power arm closer or a #2,3,4 starter.
Furthermore and to answer that articles’ question, I have full confidence in our coaching and development staff and minor league system. All I need do is look at the decade that just ended and I know that if they are given a $21 million top-prospect, they will bust their asses to make him succeed.
And lastly, you said 5 years initially. If that was intended as hyperbole, then that’s cool. Two years away, as some have speculated, falls under your criteria and would still be worth the investment in my eyes.
"You gotta have nuts." - Torii Hunter / Part-Time Nemesis of the HH Reply Function
by Commander_Nate on Jan 6, 2010 10:53 PM PST up reply actions
coaching and development?
the same coaching and development that makes sure Ervin Santana is terrible in odd-numbered years?
I will take the scouting department’s word for it all. If we sign him for a lot, Eddie Bane just went “ALL-IN” in the poker game.
Also the same one that gave us Weaver, Saunders, Lackey, K-Rod
Shields, and a number of position players.
Don’t forget those.
"You gotta have nuts." - Torii Hunter / Part-Time Nemesis of the HH Reply Function
by Commander_Nate on Jan 6, 2010 10:57 PM PST up reply actions
Except we didn't throw 21 million at them based on potential.
Nick would be proud.
by halofan4life on Jan 6, 2010 11:03 PM PST up reply actions
nor did we with santana, just cause they get more money doesn't mean they will be worse. or better.
but i dont think just cause it is a little more that you dont go get him and take that risk.
GO COLTS!!! 09 IS OURS!!!
by TheAngelsColts on Jan 6, 2010 11:07 PM PST up reply actions
agree, as you said if he ends up a # 2,3,4 starter and is pitching well getting us 16-17 wins a season on average or something
i think it is worth it just because he doesn’t get to a superstar #1 will not make him a bust in any way.
GO COLTS!!! 09 IS OURS!!!
by TheAngelsColts on Jan 6, 2010 11:04 PM PST up reply actions
Mark my words
this kid will be Joel Zumaya part II, but with even LESS respect for the game.
by shiftyeyedgoat on Jan 7, 2010 12:41 PM PST up reply actions
ok ill hold you to it
GO COLTS!!! 09 IS OURS!!!
by TheAngelsColts on Jan 7, 2010 12:52 PM PST up reply actions
FOX-Buzz-MLB
Updated Jan 6, 2010 11:56 PM ET
WEDNESDAY’S LATEST NEWS AND NOTES
Angels close to deal with Cuban lefty Chapman — 11:40 p.m.
Amid reports that Cuban left-hander Aroldis Chapman is close to a decision, the Angels are "trying like crazy" to sign him, according to a major-league source.
Chapman, a free agent, continues to negotiate with multiple clubs, and the "Angels are part of the process," a second source said.
The Angels could appeal to Chapman because of the success of their Cuban first baseman, Kendry Morales.
Chapman and Morales share the same agents, Alan and Randy Hendricks.
— Ken Rosenthal
The 2009 Pregame Picks Winner and Iron Man of Halos Heaven.com
huh not sure what to take from it, not sure how often Rosenthal has really been right in these types of things. but if this is true
then we will likely know by tomorrow some time
GO COLTS!!! 09 IS OURS!!!
by TheAngelsColts on Jan 6, 2010 10:48 PM PST up reply actions
Yeah I'm pretty sure he makes shit up just to get attention.
I miss Hudler already.
by Teixeira Who? on Jan 7, 2010 12:03 AM PST up reply actions
also from fox.
Kotchman might be on his way to Seattle.
They want power. We want respect...
by SenorChuckles on Jan 6, 2010 10:53 PM PST up reply actions
Just about a done deal.
The Red Sox are getting an 18 y/o catcher and Bill Hall plus cash I believe
Nick would be proud.
by halofan4life on Jan 6, 2010 10:54 PM PST up reply actions
yep pretty much already done deal
GO COLTS!!! 09 IS OURS!!!
by TheAngelsColts on Jan 6, 2010 11:07 PM PST up reply actions
Yes, YES! All for Anaheim, ALL FOR ANAHEIM!!!
Snicker snicker snicker
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by Commander_Nate on Jan 6, 2010 10:55 PM PST up reply actions
yea that came across some time ago
GO COLTS!!! 09 IS OURS!!!
by TheAngelsColts on Jan 6, 2010 10:52 PM PST up reply actions
Just got home from work, I'm trying to catch up with the threads as is LOL.
Nick would be proud.
by halofan4life on Jan 6, 2010 10:53 PM PST up reply actions
Pssh
Be unproductive and surf teh iNterwebZ like me at work. ;)
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by Commander_Nate on Jan 6, 2010 10:56 PM PST up reply actions
Wish I had that option, but I don't sit at a computer.
I toss boxes. And new sweet iPhone to keep me up to date.
Nick would be proud.
by halofan4life on Jan 6, 2010 10:57 PM PST up reply actions
That actually sounds kinda fun to do for a while
You must have some inventory computer you could hijack.
"You gotta have nuts." - Torii Hunter / Part-Time Nemesis of the HH Reply Function
by Commander_Nate on Jan 6, 2010 10:59 PM PST up reply actions
I COULD hijack it,
but the pink slip would piss my wife off to no end.
Nick would be proud.
by halofan4life on Jan 6, 2010 11:02 PM PST up reply actions
Tim Brown says something different...
Angels source on Chapman: “Despite what you read, we’re not in that deep.”
Brown’s Twitter
and i generally trust Brown over Rosenthal. he seems to be more connected to the Angels.
Thank you, Nick Adenhart. You will always be remembered. #34
what is his relation? a reporter?
idk it will all be sorted out here soon i think
GO COLTS!!! 09 IS OURS!!!
by TheAngelsColts on Jan 7, 2010 12:22 AM PST up reply actions
What is Tim Brown supposed to say...
Well Boys… We’re all in.
And then nothing happens. The greatest trick the Ninja ever did was to make you believe he didn’t exist.
RIP Nick Adenhart 4/9/09
I blog about the Angels at The Diamond Aces
Ninja = Satan?
Warm beer is infinitely colder than no beer.
He better be number 1
‘cuz if he’s not a winner nobody’ll remember.
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by Commander_Nate on Jan 7, 2010 11:17 AM PST up reply actions
Excuse me?
But what does it take to be Number 1?
RIP Nick Adenhart 4/9/09
I blog about the Angels at The Diamond Aces
Red Sox still in it
In other news, the Rangers offered Vlad 1 year and $7 mil.
"You gotta have nuts." - Torii Hunter / Part-Time Nemesis of the HH Reply Function
Part of me is still sad about Vlad
I wish him well. I hope he kills the shit out of the ball in Texas. And boost those numbers and makes the Hall of Fame first ballot and I hope its with an A on his hat.
RIP Nick Adenhart 4/9/09
I blog about the Angels at The Diamond Aces
I'd bet that's where Vlad ends up.
He hits like crazy in that park. He’ll be a much better version of Andruw Jones.
Vlad
It’s sad to see him go, but i read today that he was unhappy with the offer. seem like a more than generous offer to me.
It's Ok
Matsui for 6 mil and increased revenue from the Asian market seems like a great deal now!
by lightupthehalo29 on Jan 7, 2010 1:36 PM PST reply actions
UPDATE - Gammons thinks we're going to land Chapman
Then again, I mostly consider Gammons to be a moron.
Prove me wrong, Peter. Prove. Me. Wrong.
"You gotta have nuts." - Torii Hunter / Part-Time Nemesis of the HH Reply Function
idk i think he is more reliable than many of the others out there
GO COLTS!!! 09 IS OURS!!!
by TheAngelsColts on Jan 7, 2010 5:25 PM PST up reply actions
Chapman
Seems like a worthwhile risk. this guy could be really good and if he is, he will easily be worth 20 million. but no one knows for sure. just like morales, we will need to coach this kid and let him play in order to see what we have, IF WE DO GET HIM.
It just seems like a surprising move in conjunction with the Rodney signing. we could have put that money together and done something more productive.
and it’s not like we are paying him 20 million for one or two years. i think the deal is for 5-6 years. that is not too much of a risk for a young, potentially high impact arm, and it’s not like we have too many high ceiling pitchers in upper levels of our minor league system. if he can pitch in 2011, it will be a worthwhile risk.
Wikipedia
So I just looked on wikipedia for Aroldis Chapman. When it came up, I looked at his profile and it says “Team – LA Angels”. Just thought that was interesting…. Check it out.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aroldis_Chapman
RIP Nick Adenhart
2009 Is for You
it actually only says we are one of many and mentions multiple teams
GO COLTS!!! 09 IS OURS!!!
by TheAngelsColts on Jan 8, 2010 12:01 AM PST up reply actions
Maybe Aroldis did it first because that's where he wants to go
Then his agents were like “Dude, WTF?! We’re tryin’ to get ourselves more— I mean tryin’ to get you more money! Quit it!”
And then Kendry started to search for Del Tacos on googlemaps.
"You gotta have nuts." - Torii Hunter / Part-Time Nemesis of the HH Reply Function
by Commander_Nate on Jan 8, 2010 9:59 AM PST up reply actions
The ninja edits Wikipedia.
I love this team.
by Downing Rules on Jan 8, 2010 8:17 PM PST up reply actions
Let's see some Ninja action!
The ninja has waited in the shadows this winter and watched all of his targets go elsewhere. There’s one left. Time to strike is NOW!
Facts:
1. Aroldis Chapman is a mammal.
2. Aroldis Chapman throws 100 MPH ALL THE TIME.
3. The purpose of Aroldis Chapman is to totally flip out and bea every Red Sox hitter who dares to step in the batter’s box against him.
The HK-47 hitting droid is the finest line drive machine ever built
Supposedly the Jays have offered $23 million...hopefully in that "internet money" they use up there
’Bout time for the Kendry effect to come into play.
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