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Dizzy About Mike Trout? Recall the Cautionary Tale of Ed Kirkpatrick
Mike Trout isn't the first Angel to have fans salivating over the unlimited potential of a teenager. Once upon a time there was a dashing and fiercely competitive prep athlete from Glendora named Ed Kirkpatrick, who the Angels also signed at age 17, for the then-significant sum of $20,000, whereupon he immediately began tearing shit up at two levels:
EK, 1962
Lv G PA AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI SB/CS BB SO BA OBP SLG
D 45 190 168 35 64 10 7 9 62 2/- 16 17 .381 .442 .685
C 19 53 48 8 17 3 0 3 7 1/0 5 4 .354 .415 .604
MT, 2009
Rk 39 187 164 29 59 7 7 1 25 13/2 18 28 .360 .418 .506
A 5 20 15 1 4 0 0 0 0 0/0 4 6 .267 .421 .267
Kirkpatrick, the 2nd-youngest hitter in the Midwest League to receive significant at bats in 1962, led his league in batting average (by 40 points), OPS (116), and slugging (122), before graduating to the California League to scorch the older guys there, too.
Trout, the 8th-youngest hitter in the Arizona League to receive significant at bats in 2009, finished 2nd in his league batting average (by 6 points), and top 10 in OBP and OPS, before graduating to a cup of coffee in the Midwest League.In their age-18 years, both young men split the season at two minor league levels, though Kirkpatrick had moved up one level over the offseason. They continued to rake:
EK, 1963
Lv G PA AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI SB/CS BB SO BA OBP SLG
AA 47 179 165 16 50 6 4 6 30 0/0 14 27 .303 .358 .497
AAA 49 166 142 28 50 5 2 8 31 3/1 24 20 .352 .446 .585
MT, 2010
A 81 368 312 76 113 19 7 6 39 45/9 46 52 .362 .454 .526
A+ 50 232 196 30 60 9 2 4 19 11/6 27 33 .306 .388 .434
Kirkpatrick, the youngest player in the South Atlantic League, finished 4th in slugging percentage, just behind a cat two years older named Willie Horton. In the Pacific Coast League, where he was again the youngest player, Kirkpatrick had league-leading numbers in OBP and OPS. Stop on that fact for a second -- the youngest player in the league closest to the Majors in 1964 was also its best hitter on a per-AB basis. No wonder the floundering Angels brought him up on Sept. 9 that year and stuck him in the lineup to run out the season, whereupon he hit a more-than-respectable .282/.364/.462.
Trout? As the 4th-youngest player in the Midwest League, he dominated, leading the circuit in batting and OBP, finishing 2nd in OPS and 4th in stolen bases. In the California League in the second half, he was the youngest player to get more than 6 at-bats, and after a slow start at least cracked the top 25 in OBP. After the season ended, he ripped it up in the playoffs, then ripped it up some more in the Pan-Am games. Where does that leave us?
Some people are suggesting that Trout be put in the big-league lineup at the beginning of his age-19 season. But given that he has yet to taste AA ball, and only finished 44th in OPS in his high-A league at age 18, I presume that the same people would have been more than ready to give Ed Kirkpatrick a staring job on the Angels in 1964, considering that in his 345 plate appearances between AA and AAA at age 18 Kirkpatrick hit a raging .326/.400/.537.
Well, that's exactly what the Angels did. How did it work? On balance, terribly.
"Spanky," as he was known, started 50 of the team's first 75 games in a platoon arrangement with Jimmy Piersall, putting up what at first blush seem like crappy numbers: .258/.330/.379. But keep in mind that A) this was the '60s Dead Ball era, where the American League as a whole hit just .247/.315/.382, and B) the Angels played half their games in the dungeon of offensive horrors known as Dodger Stadium. Ed Kirkpatrick on the year would hit .278/.331/.443 away from Chavez Ravine, which is a very good line for anyone in 1964; borderline breathtaking for a 19-year-old.
But the Angels back then were not run by the type of people who take distorting ballpark effects into account. And more pursuant to the Kirkpatrick story, they were beginning to develop a self-defeating habit of calling up prospects too young, yo-yoing them up and down between the big-league lineup and AAA, then trading them away just as they began the productive phases of their careers. After starting off the '60s with a hot streak in developing such young talent as Jim Fregosi, Dean Chance, Ken McBride, Buck Rodgers, Fred Newman, Bob Lee, Bo Belinsky, and Bobby Knoop, the Angels under Bill Rigney in the mid-1960s started jerking around their prospects, putting too much pressure on them to succeed too young, then giving up hope prematurely. A partial list of useful ballplayers who were in Angel uniform in the '60s by age 21 but on to greener pastures by no later than 26 would include Jose Cardenal, Paul Schaal, Jay Johnstone, Jim Spencer, Tom Egan, Aurelio Rodriguez, and, of course, Ed Kirkpatrick.
The Angels before the 1964 season traded away star outfielder Leon Wagner in part to make room for Kirkpatrick, who had caught in the minors but was a good enough athlete to play CF. With a starting outfield of Kirkpatrick (19) in LF, an ailing Albie Pearson (29) in CF, and Lee Thomas (28) in RF, the team stumbled badly out of the gate, going 16-29 the first two months and settling into last place. Rigney and General Manager Fred Haney grew impatient, trading Thomas for 26-year-old corner outfielder Lou Clinton, giving up on getting any healthy work out of Pearson (who would come down from his 14th-place MVP finish in '63 to a miserable .223/.316/.272 in '64), and then, on June 14, making a genuinely inspired decision: Giving the first ever career outfield start to a 25-year-old pitcher they had acquired in late April, Wonderful Willie Smith. Starting in Kirkpatrick's LF, Smith promptly homered. Two days later he batted cleanup and scored three runs, and the lineup spot was his. For the second half of June, Smith hit an unreal .333/.373/.583, and in the process something even more shocking happened: The last-place Angels doubled their previous franchise record by winning 11 consecutive games. As the L.A. Times put it at the time, "If the amazing Angels can keep on winning with their mixed-up line-up they might wind up as lovable as the incomparable Mets. New York embraced the Mets because they're so hopelessly incompetent."
It was all fun and games, until you think about what happened to the highly regarded, famously hard-working 19-year-old prospect who had racked up an OPS+ of 106 through the end of June: They dropped him like a heroin habit on methadone day. Kirkpatrick started just 3 games in July, and then was sent back down to the minors at the end of the month. There, likely depressed, he hit just .217/.312/.384 in 45 games -- the first time in his professional career he had ever failed to hit. Though Willie Smith went on to have a great (and, it turned out, career-best) season of .301/.317/.465, Kirkpatrick's real replacement in the lineup was the forgettable Lou Clinton. Who proceeded to rack up an OPS+ of, you guessed it, 106.
In 1965 Wonderful Willie Smith was firmly rooted in LF, newly acquired 21-year-old Jose Cardenal was starting in CF, Clinton and Albie Pearson shared RF, and Kirkpatrick spent the year at AAA Seattle, where he played very well. Spanky, who was still the 8th-youngest player in the Pacific Coast League, hit .291/.367/.486, finishing 20th in the league in OPS, and even stealing 18 bags in 23 attempts. But if the Angels had any organized plan for Kirkpatrick, they are not obvious in retrospect. He played 82 games in the outfield, 43 at 3B (where the Angels had 22-year-old rookie Paul Schaal on the big club), and 19 at 1B (held down in L.A. by a platoon of 37-year-old Joe Adcock and a then-promising, now-forgotten 23-year-old slugger named Costen Shockley). When Shockley failed to hit and then shockingly retired rather than accept an assignment to the minors (a story I plan to tell at length some day), the team opted not to promote Kirkpatrick, instead scrambling to trade for the misleadingly named 36-year-old Vic Power. Lou Clinton, the man who had deposed Spanky the year before, played lousy and was finally placed on waivers in early September, after which Kirkpatrick came up to start 19 of the Angels' last 21 games in RF, hitting .260/.289/.459, good for an OPS+ of 111 (remember, 100 is league average for all hitters; 111 is halfway between what J.D. Drew and Mike Napoli hit this year).
You'd think that Kirkpatrick would now be at the front of the line for a lineup job in 1966, his age-21 year. And you'd be wrong! Amazingly, even though Wonderful Willie Smith and Albie Pearson had both fallen by the wayside, leaving the two corner outfield slots wide open, the Angels made Kirkpatrick compete for the RF job in spring training for a player who had just spent the previous year hitting .240 at AA and .163 in limited time as Kirpatrick's teammate in Seattle. Sure, Jack Warner was an impressive athlete with prodigious power -- he had led the Northwest League in home runs in 1962 -- but the guy's batting average above A-ball heading into 1966 was .211, compared to Kirkpatrick's .292 in three times as many ABs. And Kirkpatrick was 14 months younger. With bonus baby Rick Reichardt winning LF amid a boatload of Mickey Mantle hype, Warner tore it up in spring, and Spanky started 1966 rotting on the Angel bench.
Warner started off the season as a rookie sensation, putting up a .406/.457/.813 line in the team's first 10 games. But after hitting .150 in his next 12, the capricious Rigney benched him, and began starting Kirkpatrick in RF against righties. Warner was demoted in July, hit .161 the rest of the year in Seattle, .199 the next year in AAA, and was out of baseball by age 26, having never again tasted the Majors. Reichardt, on the other hand, scorched the American League for the first half, and was on pace to finish in the top 10 in batting average, home runs, on-base percentage, slugging percentage, and OPS+ (he ended up leading the league in HBP outright), when he had to have his kidney removed in late July, ending his season.
So Kirpatrick was in like Flynn, right? Nope! From May 1 to August 29, when he started 75 games, Kirkpatrick hit just .200/.304/.343. Now, even though his OBP was around team and league average (.304 and .306, respectively), and his SLG was a few clicks short (.354 and .369), .200 was still .200, particularly for a man like Bill Rigney. So what did the Angels do when Reichardt went down? They called up 20-year-old Jay Johnstone, and had him start every single one of the team's last 61 games, in which he hit .264/.297/.378. And in the last month of the season, with the Angels hovering around a respectable .500 but never within 15 games of first place, the team gave 14 starts -- compared to Kirkpatrick's 6 -- to a 36-year-old named Bubba who had last played big-league ball in 1963.
OK, so now what? The Angels in 1966 had been just the 3rd team in Major League history to have at least 400 of their outfield starts come from players 23 years old or younger. Since the first two teams were the 1910-11 Red Sox, who went on to win four World Championships that decade, and since the Angels' up-the-middle core of Rodgers, Chance, Fregosi, and Knoop were just hitting prime age, and the rotation in '66 featured five starters younger than 26, there was legitimate reason for optimism, especially if the team could manage its youth movement. Tragically, as the above events foreshadowed, it could not.
The first thing the team did before the 1967 season was trade ace (and clubhouse troublemaker) Dean Chance for slugging 29-year-old first baseman Don Mincher, 29-year-old outfielder Jimmie Hall, who had hit 98 HRs the previous 4 seasons, and a disposable reliever named Pete Cimino. In '67 Mincher was outta sight, the rotation was out of an ace, Hall was out of his depth against lefties but otherwise solid ... and Ed Kirkpatrick was out of a job. He played just 3 games on the big club all year, going 0 for 8, and hit an anemic .217/.329/.356 in AAA. The Angels went 84-77, building on the promise of the previous year, but the club, idiotically, mistook a league-wide decline in offense (from 3.89 runs per game to 3.70) for a disappointing performance by their young hitters. In fact, the team moved up from 6th to 5th in runs scored between '66-67, no small feat in a pitcher's park, but after having spent most of the season in their first honest-to-God pennant race, the club began looking to identify the stragglers and scapegoats who were holding them back.
Reichardt, despite a solid sophomore season, was treated like a head-case, a trend that would continue during his woefully underappreciated all-star caliber season in 1968's Year of the Pitcher. Jay Johnstone, who stumbled to a .209/.226/.274 line that year, was yo-yoed up and down between AAA until 1969. Jose Cardenal, unbelievably, was traded before his age-24 year for a 34-year-old OF/1Bman named Chuck Hinton, who proceeded to hit .195 before being released (Cardenal would go on to rack up more 1500 more hits, and draw MVP votes in two seasons). Jackie Warner was shipped out for 27-year-old OF Roger Repoz. Just two years after fielding one of the fastest and most exciting young outfields in the Majors, the Angels were anchored in CF in 1968 by 31-year-old Vic Davalillo. Unsurprisingly, the team had its worst season in franchise history, going 67-95. What had once been baseball's best expansion team, with an exciting second-generation youth movement bubbling just behind the Fregosi/Chance generation, was now a crime scene.
And Kirkpatrick? At age 23, in his 7th (!) Major League season, for an 8th-place ballclub, with a player at his original position (catcher) stinking up the joint, Kirkpatrick atrophied on the bench, starting just 5 games by the 4th of July. His last hurrah as an Angel came that August, when he started 21 games in a 25-game stretch and hit .225/.330/.263. By September, with the team 25 games out and sinking fast, Rigney decided it was more important to see if 21-year-old Jarvis Tatum could hit. He couldn't, but by then it didn't matter: That was the end of Ed Kirkpatrick's Angel career. He had played RF, LF, C and 1B, jumped up and down from AAA like a pogo stick, played well enough to stay in the lineup at age 21 but earning a demotion anyway, and then just kind of floundered. Final Angel stats: .215/.306/.331 in 1,000 plate appearances over 7 years, and negative 1.2 Wins Above Replacement. The Angels traded him to Kansas City in the offseason for a 46-year-old knuckleballer.
So did Kirkpatrick completely wash out, then? No. The Kansas City Royals, on the verge of becoming the best-run expansion team in the pre-free agency era, tried something that the Angels apparently never thought of -- sticking Kirkpatrick in the lineup, and letting him stay there. Over the next five years, from the productive ages of 24-28, he averaged 123 games a year as a sort of super-utility man, hitting a respectable .248/.334/.390 in a depressed offensive environment, good enough for an OPS+ of 104. Not the world's greatest shakes, but he put up 9.3 WAR during his KC stint, had two seasons with an OPS+ higher than 120, and made enough impact that the Royals Retrospective blog named him the #39 Royal of all time. He never could hit lefties, going .200/.277/.290 for his career, but he managed a respectable 16-year career in which nearly all of his value came right after the Angels grew weary of jerking him around.
Would he have been a better player with a more structured breaking-in process? I can't but help think so. He could always control the strike zone, and he had played a lot of high-quality baseball at AAA before age 21. Had the franchise marched him a bit slower through the organization -- keeping him long enough at both AA and AAA to prove his dominance there, and then executing a plan for him at the big-league level -- I think me might have emerged as a fully formed prospect by no later than 22 or 23, perhaps taken the catching baton from Buck Rodgers, and stuck around for a while.
To bring it all back home, what are the applicable lessons for Mike Trout? I have identied three:
1) Rejoice! By my rough calculation, Trout had one of the 5 best seasons ever by an Angel 18-year-old, and the other 4 dudes had significant big league careers: Kirkpatrick, Jay Johnstone, Brian Harper, and Tom Brunansky.
2) Slow down! As good as Mike Trout was at age 18, Ed Kirkpatrick was a whole lot better at the same time, and putting him in the lineup at age 19 ended in tears. Let's let Trout dominate AA for a few months before we schedule the coronation.
3) Thank your lucky stars! As much as you might have to complain about the Scioscia/Stoneman/Reagins player development system over the past decade, nothing compares to the self-inflicted clusterfudge unleashed by Bill Rigney and Fred Haney in the mid-1960s.
The end.
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Points to the Tanana and Brunansky handlings,
but The Brandon Wood thing just sucks so bad. I thought he was the 2nd coming of Troy Glaus.
Brunansky is a Twin in my mind, so doesn’t bother me much.
And I actually like when pitchers didn’t have a pitch count. So Tanana just looks that much better to me for what he did. (Even if it might have been bad for him in the long run)
Any time you think you have the game conquered the game will turn around and punch you right in the nose.
Mike Schmidt
Wood was never going to be Glaus 2.0
He doesn’t walk enough.
He could have been a good fielding SS w/ low OBP and high SLG. Not a bad thing to have around.
RIP Nick...
Jim Scully
Jim Scully Home
essentially Khalil Greene
….before the crazy.
Thank you, Nick Adenhart. You will always be remembered. #34
by howiestheman on Oct 16, 2010 4:44 PM PDT up reply actions
I was NOT happy when they traded Brunansky...
Twin or not, he should’ve been an Angel.
Brandon Wood is still the “poster boy” in my mind. Bringing him up repeatedly strictly for “depth” and then never playing him was beyond asinine. I’ll give them once to get used-to/exposed to the “major league atmosphere.” But only once! After that, he needed to play somewhere every day (obviously that place was SLC). The team was deep and there was NO NEED to bring him up ever until last season when we needed him to play 3b on an everyday basis.
I was living in Montana in 1978.
I had wanted to see the Angels rookie league team (Idaho Falls), so I caught a few of their games versus the then-Helena Phillies. Brunansky was a member of that team. His talent was so far beyond anyone else on the field…a man among boys. He seemed locked in on every pitch. I decided at that time I would follow him as much as possible. He looked like a “can’t miss” prospect.
I was so happy when he started the ‘81 season in LF. And then…back to the minors after some struggles, followed by a trade to Minnesota. I was really disappointed that the Angels didn’t give him more opportunities. I am glad he found some success with Minnesota.
As for Mike Trout...
It appears that his talent will let the team know when he is ready for the big club.
His personality and style of play on the field draws fans to him. He has a “Salmon-esque” smile and gives the appearance of enjoying playing the game. To me this is what baseball is all about so it is very hard to restrain the enthusiasm.
Spring training will be very interesting in 2011 with Trout and Bourjos running crazy in that OF. Jeremy Moore seems to be coming into his own now too as an OF. Can’t help but wonder if Chris Pettit will be 100% by then either. Please let these guys stay healthy and continue to advance/grow!
Matt…as always, your posts are informative and a good read. Thanks. I vaguely remember watching Jim Spencer and really liking him.
The "conservative" arguments for prospect development are compelling
… but too rarely put out there. Thanks Matt – this is a great read for anyone, but especially those of us who’d like to see the Angels push the “kids” a little faster.
Bring on Trout
Nobody could hit in the 60’s. Fregosi was the best hitter and his stats would be pathetic today. The Angels have done a crappy job of bringing up players during the Mike era. The team that won was home grown talent who didn’t spend years in the minors, Salmon, Erstadt, Edmunds, Glaus, Anderson, Jim Abbott, John Lackey, Washburn. None of these guys needed to stay in the minors till they were 26 and go up one year at a time. Chuck Finley came out of AA and never looked back. All of these guys had decent careers. Sosh, might be a great manager of a game, but is a crappy picker of talent, and developing players. The Angels need a strong GM that won’t let Scioccia pick his players. Don’t buy into the Sosh is infailable b.s. He has his strengths and definetly his weakness.
Carl Crawford is not a difference maker and you need to leave that spot open for Trout. If his batting avg isnt the greatest, his athleticism will be at its peak, and you can use that ala Bourjos. Get a one year guy if you must give him another year in the minors, but get great talent up as soon as you can and find out if they have the meddle. I like how they are throwing these young pitchers into the bullpen and sink or swim at least we will know soon.
p.s. it really sucks watching Sean Rodriguez turn into a decent pro. Who made “that” call.
The entire National League went from .261/.327/.393 in 1962 to .245/.305/.364 in '63
Same players, suddenly scoring more than half a run per game less. Did they all simultaneously forget how to hit? Look at the statistical difference between the ’62 and the ’63 Dodgers — they scored 200 fewer runs! Yet they were still a 99-win team, because the league offensive context changed, too. Put Jim Fregosi in a neutral offensive context during his great Angel run and he would have been around .300/.375/.450, 15 homers a year.
And I had no idea Finley had such a short minor league career! Wow.
I'm not sure what Sean Rodirguez did this year in Tampa that makes any Angel fan miss him.
He will be fighting to stay a starter for the rest of his career.
by dickyschofield on Oct 16, 2010 2:03 PM PDT up reply actions
would have been the 6th best hitter on our team in terms of WAR
played 7 positions effectively. was successful stealing more bases than anyone on our team outside of Abreu and Aybar (and maybe howie?). i missed him. and it was a bad decision to get rid of that versatile of a player.
"I have one word for you...Be careful."
-Jose Guillen
The Angels didn't "get rid of" Sean Rodriguez
That makes him sound like a problem child who was banished by management.
He was traded because he was an integral part in the Rays expectations for Kazmir. Monday morning quarterbacks are easy to find, but Reagins made a bold roll of the dice to pick up a pitcher they felt was capable of being fixed (as per Butcher’s past relationship with Kazmir) and undervalued for a young (then 25) pitcher with enormous upside.
That trade worked well in 2009 and not at all in 2010. We will see how it plays out in 2011, but if Kazmir had been 12-8 (as he was in 2008) last season instead of 9-15, if his WHIP was closer to the 1.046 it was for the Angels in 2009, instead of last season’s 1.58, then nobody would sitting around, crying about Sean Rodriguez as a lost opportunity.
Likewise, I don’t know that many here would have predicted the severe drop-off offensively of Aybar nor the complete devastation of the wreck of the SS Wood. Both of those events make the absence of Rodriguez much more acute, but if Wood had hit his weight and 15-20 HR last season, nobody would be mourning the trade of Sean Rodriguez.
While it would have been great to have Rodriguez on hand, ready to step into the role of 3B, I would rather have a GM who is willing to make the gamble instead of playing it safe—we had the latter for most of the last decade—and I would rather not be the team saddled with the expensive contract for John Lackey at the moment. This trade hasn’t worked out in the way the Angels expected, but this also isn’t as if Rodriguez was left unprotected in the Rule V draft. It was a trade, and any trade for quality players means quality players need to be dealt in exchange.
"I can't tell people what to think or not to think. Their perceptions are their perceptions. We just feel we've taken a step forward. At the end of the day, we have to play 162 games. Once that happens then we'll be able to evaluate the offseason moves."~Tony Reagins, on the Angels' offseason
by George Kaplan on Oct 17, 2010 6:04 AM PDT up reply actions
If Carl Crawford wants to come here, you get him.
Trout can become the full-time right fielder. Remember, the contracts of both Abreu and Torii are up at the end of 2012. Abreu will certainly be gone after that and Torii will be 36. Do you really believe that Juan Rivera will be in the Angels plans after the way he played this year? Trout will most likely be up for a cup of coffee next season, but you have to be patient with him. Crawford would solidify left field and give the Angels a three-hole hitter with speed. Just don’t break the bank for him.
BTW, Bourjos will lead off next season. Bank on it.
This
Bourjos looks just fine in the #9 hole flying around the outfield.
Defending maligned chants since 2009
I have hope for Brandon Wood
Great article
I feel that Brandon still has a lot of potential to be a good pro. I do think though that it might be with another team. i think the Angels did not handle him the way they should of by moving him up and down and not giving him a chance to pay when he was killing it in the minors.
I am not a huge fan of Hatchers as a hitting coach. I don’t see the Angels hitters getting better with him, and feel that for future development of the kids coming up from the minors someone else could do a better job. HK, Aybar, Bourjous, Mathis, Wood, and Napoli don’t seem to be getting better hitting wise with him here. I say dump Hatcher, and bring someone new in. If the guys from the list above are not any better then you know that it wasn’t cause of the hitting coach it was the players. Maybe they can talk Abreu into retiring, and being the hitting coach. His influence helped a lot his first year with the team, and it seems that the players repect him. Give him the job plus this way we can save some money before his contract is guarenteed for next year.
by downrightdrums on Oct 16, 2010 12:55 PM PDT reply actions
Nice Tale.
Always good to temper expectations. It is amazing how they treated him. Could there have been some sort of discipinary action, or line crossed in some way to rationalize why they treated him thusly?
Nothing that I can see
You’d have to delve into the archives of the L.A. Times & other newspapers to get any of that, because it’s not in the histories. Certainly there was nothing like that discussed in the spring he was fighting for a job with Jackie Warner. I’m thinking there might have been some minor injury to account for his crappy 1967 in AAA, or maybe he was just bummed out (there’s a great “For the Record” Sports Illustrated quote from him that year where he basically says “Someone should tell my wife” when he’s told once again that he’s being demoted).
hey, i'm all for 2011 in the minors.
unless we’re out of it and he can get a no-risk taste next september, i don’t think there’s any way this kid should play MLB until 2012. let him develop.
R.I.P. Nick Adenhart - Always an Angel
Harper doesn't deserve to be put in the discussion
The guy didn’t become a solid everyday catcher until he got to Minnesota at age 29. He never would have cracked the Angels lineup anyway, because in 1982 Mr. Autry went out and got Bob Boone to be the catcher, moving Brian Downing to left and using Joe Ferguson and then Jerry Narron to be the backup.
His WAR before he got to the Metrodome was a whole whopping -0.2.
The team actually had it right with Wood in September of 2008, then screwed the pooch in 2009 by making him compete for a spot. Aybar has never been the speed guy that the Angels have believed, and while he is a good defensive shortstop, I believe Wood would have been more than adequate with better production.
Brunansky was the one that hurt, though. Doug Corbett and Rob Wilfong? Are you kidding me? If Mauch had asked Reggie to become the DH then because this kid Brunansky is going to be a keeper for the next 10 years and it makes our offense that much better, Reggie would have done whatever was needed to win.
Corbett was never a closer after he came to Anaheim except when Moore was hurt in 1986 and Wilfong was a platoon guy, seeing action when Foli, Burleson, Grich and Schofield were out of the lineup.
Are you sure about that?
If Mauch had asked Reggie to become the DH then because this kid Brunansky is going to be a keeper for the next 10 years and it makes our offense that much better, Reggie would have done whatever was needed to win.
I don’t think the personalities of Torii Hunter and Reginald Martinez Jackson are similar in that regard. Reggie considered himself a “complete” player and would DH on occasion, but I don’t believe he would have taken that assignment full-time in ’82. He did DH more the next season because of injury (as he did with the Yankees in ’81), and became full-time DH because Fred Lynn had been signed to play RF and Jackson was then 38.
But in 1982, I think Jackson was out to prove to baseball that he wasn’t washed up due to injury, and I don’t think he would have graciously stepped aside so some rookie would ascend to the starting job in RF.
"I can't tell people what to think or not to think. Their perceptions are their perceptions. We just feel we've taken a step forward. At the end of the day, we have to play 162 games. Once that happens then we'll be able to evaluate the offseason moves."~Tony Reagins, on the Angels' offseason
by George Kaplan on Oct 17, 2010 6:18 AM PDT up reply actions
Brunansky would have had to play 1982 in AAA if he wasn't traded
You had Downing in LF, Lynn in CF, Reggie in RF, Baylor at DH, and Carew at 1B. No wiggle room there, at least until grandpa gets hurt, and grandpa was pretty healthy in ’82. Then you let Baylor walk, slide Reggie to DH (which is where he went in ’83 anyway), avoid the “Ellis Valentine experiment,” and let Brunansky hit his 200 ’80s homers in an Angel uniform.
Lets not forget about an OF that was left to waste in the mid 80's Matt
Christopher Clark threw up great numbers as well but with the log jam and the great Mike Brown and Bobby Clark the club thought they could let Bruno go. Once again they struck out with their evaluations
http://www.baseball-reference.com/minors/player.cgi?id=clark-005chr
by Angel Aviator on Oct 25, 2010 11:13 PM PDT up reply actions
Here's what Bill James had to say about Brian Harper in the latest Historical Abstract
Harper should have had a much better career than he did. He lost a lot of his career to other people’s stupidity. […] The Angels at that time were building entirely around free agents and veterans, in no mood to give a young player a chance. At Salt Lake City in ’81 he hit .350 with 45 doubles, 28 homers, 122 RBI. The Angels traded him to Pittsburgh.
The Pirates already had Tony Pena and Steve Nicosia; they needed another catcher like they needed a fifth baseman. Harper tried to convert to the outfield or first base. He wasn’t fast enough to play the outfield; nobody was sure he would hit enough to play first.
After wasting three years of development (ages 22-24) mired on Pittsburgh’s bench, he was miscast as a backup utility man on 101-win ’85 Cardinals, spent two years finally getting some semi-regular ABs in AAA, and was finally given a job, back at his regular position, at age 29. He hit .325.
You know how many catchers in Major League history had a higher OPS+ than Harper between the ages of 29-33 (minimum 1800 plate appearances)? Twelve. Two of them are in the Hall of Fame, and 11 of them were regulars by age 26. Harper was a much better player than his pre-Metrodome Major League stats indicate, because he was misused, beginning with an Angel team that was openly hostile to viable young talent (not just Brunansky and Harper, but Dickie Thon, Willie Aikens, Ken Landreaux, Rance Mulliniks, and more).
And hitting your face off in AAA at age 21 usually means you're a good player
Harper put up the 5th best OPS in the Pacific Coast League in 1981. Here are all the age-21 top 5 OPSers in PCL history since it became a AAA league:
1959: Willie McCovey
1960: Ron Fairly
1962: Tommy Harper
1964: Jack Hiatt
1973: Steve Ontiveros
1981: Mike Marshall
1981: Chili Davis
1981: Brian Harper
1997: Paul Konerko
2009: Travis Snider
All, with the possible exception of Steve Ontiveros and Travis Snider (too young to tell!), were objectively good, and often great, baseball players. And every single one except Brian Harper was starting at least half his team’s games by no later than age 23.
All, that is, except for Jack Hiatt, who was … a great hitting, questionably fielding catcher who the Angels traded away to an absurdly catching-rich team after his great age-21 year to fill an up-the-middle slot in the big leagues, prompting him to change positions and bounce around the league!
Doesn't the "Brian Harper Cautionary Tale" defy the "Ed Kirkpatrick Cautionary Tale"?
Ed = moved too fast.
Brian = moved too slow.
Maybe Trout is our Goldilocks/Baby Bear, and the Halos will advance him “juuuuust right!”
"Wastin away again in Minor-Leaguer-Ville..."
Maybe the Brandon Wood story does?
We flipped Harper just after his monster age-21 year in AAA; there was nothing too fast about anything, except for our insatiable appetite for Tim Foli. Harper’s career was actually a decent amount like Kirkpatrick’s — he wasted valuable development years rotting on a Major League bench, no set position, people jerking with his confidence.
Wood, on the other hand, piled up Minor League ABs until he ran out of options & was put in an apparently untenably high-pressure situation. But it’s entirely possible Wood would have never learned how to hit.
Reggie couldn't DH in 1982.
We had Don Baylor.
I wasn’t against the Corbett trade. The Angels had no closer and he was the only guy they could trade for that early in the season (I think it was May). For the Twins, he finished third in Rookie of the Year in 1980 and was an All-Star in 1981. He had 40 saves in two years. He was given the chance to close for the Angels when they acquired him but couldn’t get the job done. Sound’s familiar, doesn’t it? Anyway, the closer role ended up with the best guy in a bad bullpen, Luis Sanchez. The rest is history.
Leave him in AA this year. Give him a September callup, start him in AAA on 2012, and bring him u in May if he proves he can handle AAA
If you didn't know by now, my screen name is sarcastic
I dare someone to try and keep that kid off the field..........
He’ll prove it to all of us when he’s ready…………Age be damned.
Matt dont get an Ageist!!!
"Oh man, moral victories and pulling confidence from losses, that's crap" -Marcus Stroud
by norcaliangelsfan on Oct 17, 2010 8:47 AM PDT reply actions
Angel History in Dealing with Young Talent
Great read Matt, certainly invokes a lot of memories of the early Angel days.
At the start of Major League Free Agency in November 1976, it was exciting no doubt, as a fan, when the team signed Bobby Grich, Don Baylor and Joe Rudi. In subsequent years, other top names were signed along with trades for " name players ", usually by trading their top talent in the farm system.
Early in the 1982 season, this was one of the starting line ups : Brian Downing ( lf ), Fred Lynn ( cf ), Rod Carew ( 1b ), Reggie Jackson ( rf ), Bobby Grich ( 2b ), Don Baylor ( dh ), Doug Decinces ( 3b ), Rick Burleson ( ss ), Bob Boone ( c ).
Certainly, an All Star line up and one that Angel young talent had little chance of cracking. Three players from the farm system that I hated to be let go via trades were Tom Brunansky, Dickie Thon and Willie Mays Aitkens. Of course signing free agents ( loss of draft picks ) and trading your best young talent, leaves the farm system barren, as proved with Angel teams in the late 80’s and early 90’s.
Oh, besides the Tom Brunansky trade for Doug Corbett, Rob Wilfong, the other worst trade in team history was probably Dante Bichette for Dave Parker in 1991.
During that era I used to keep lineups of how great all the yong ex-Angels were doing
Like this lineup from ’83:
DH: .275/.373/.467 Rance Mulliniks
SS: .286/.341/.457 Dickie Thon
3B: .308/.357/.475 Carney Lansford
1B: .302/.373/.539 Willie Aikens
RF: .227/.308/.445 Tom Brunansky
LF: .307/.349/.441 Mike Easler
C: .305/.350/.449 Dave Engle
CF: .281/.328/.451 Kenny Landreaux
2B: .275/.320/.319 Jerry Remy
That team would have beaten the ‘83 Angels like a gong. But let’s not forget that the star-veterans strategy also worked, allowing us to compete in ’78, ’79, ’82, ’85, and ’86.
At least the Angels got some use out of Corbett and Wilfong.
I nominate as worst trade the Butch Hobson & Rick Burleson for Lansford, Clear, and Rick Miller. I hated that trade. We got almost nothing in return.
Burleson was a great competitor, but was mostly injured…253 games in 5 years! That was a relative gold mine compared to Hobson…a grand total of 85 games. All that in exchange for a guy – Lansford – that won the batting title the year he was traded and went on to have a solid 15 year career. Clear stuck around for another 10 years, and even Miller played 5 more seasons for Boston.
That’s about as lop-sided as trade for the Angels as I can recall.
Burleson was really good for us in '81, and would have probably kept going if he hadn't got hurt
Hobson, however, was a bad baseball player in Boston, let alone Anaheim….
But the thing that made your trade even worse was that by 1982, Dickie Thon would already be one of the best shortstops in baseball. And, once Burleson blew out his rotator cuff (I was there!), we panicked and traded for Tim Foli with … Brian Harper!
So instead of enjoying the ’80s with Harper/Aikens/Thon/Lansford/Brunansky, we traded them all for Tim Foli, Al Cowens, Ken Forsch, Butch Hobson, one good year of Rick Burleson, Doug Corbett, and Rob Wilfong. Thank God there were also some shrewd acquisitions in there (Boone, DeCinces) to cover up the crime.
Good Read But....
In 1961-62, major league baseball expanded from 16 to 20 teams. The minor leagues were also going through an expansion too. So while Trout and Kirkpatrick’s number show similarities, I have a tendency to believe that the competition levels today outweigh those Kilpatrick faced then.
The post brings a lot of memories
and guys I had not thought of in a long time. My take back then was the Angels always gave up on guys to early. They went somewhere else and got good. Mark McLemore was a great exampe of that as was Bruno when he went to the Twins. Thanks fo the trip down memory lane
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