Falling off the Reagins bandwagon...
...or 2011, Make or Break Season for Angels GM?
Did anyone catch this little gem at the very bottom of the article in the OCR re: hiring of DiSar, Peach, and the coaching moves etc???
Former GM Bill Stoneman's contract as senior advisor was also renewed and he will remain in that capacity as a consultant.
So I'm more than a little curious what the hell Stoner and DiSar are doing...aren't you? AND, in addition, since I fell off the Reagins bandwagon (I was sitting in the back already) this past season...what the hell is Reagins doing (besides guiding scouts toward swords to fall on)?
Originally I was going to be too GA to make my own Post about this, but then I read PhiSlamma's comment in the "Encarnacion post" and subsequent responses. Sorry Phi, some of us like to come to HH daily and read something new about our Halos. Figured I better "sprint after that flyball and dive for it." (Blue Smoke belching! Perhaps I should have had only one cup of coffee this morning?!)
Thus far this off-season has left me confuzzled and I am going to dance around with a bunch of semi-coherent thoughts as they bounce around my brain:
- So we cleaned house in the scouting department. It is totally the scout's fault that none of our nonexistent 1st round draft picks have panned out. Hmmm, ok, whatever.
- Forsch, Stoneman, DiSar, what do these guys do? How many are enough?
- Better yet, what does Reagins do?
- Is this simply continuing to pay Stoner for our WS championship?
- Is this bringing more ex-Angels back into the "family?"
- Signing major Free Agents to long-term contracts. Haven't we been down this, "Sign a bunch of aging Free Agents to mega-contracts" path in the past (see 80's)? Are we doomed to repeat our mistakes? 4-6 years from now are we going to be eating contracts such as Beltre, CC, and Werth just as we are now with GMJ Jr and Speier last year?
Dear Arte,
If you want a "Real GM" please go do whatever it takes to get Pat Gillick to come to Anaheim. I have zero faith in Reagin's ability to lead this team.
Sincerely,
K3
More random comments. Did anyone notice that the "cream rose to the top?" Of all the "top Free Agents" the Halos lost last season, Only Vlad's team made the playoffs (yeah, I know Oliver went there too). Vlad is the one potential HOF player of that bunch. I confess I understood and begrudgingly agreed with the decision to let Vlad go, but damn it how do you let a future HOF'er walk without finding some way to keep him in the fold? Jeter will stay where he is. Just sayin'.
I'll pose this question to you all...if we had kept all of our FA's we let go, would the Halos have won the West? Granted an exercise in futility, but my real point is that despite Tony's "best efforts" we got nothing and liked it! The Halos did not have a rebuilding year, they simply stank! Accountability = fire the scouts. Really?
Ok, really my last comment...Rev, thank you to you and WiH for the Tuesday blogcasts. Off-season Angels talk is non-existent and finding interesting topics to discuss can be challenging. Hence my topic for today is, "2011, make or break season for Tony Reagins."
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At the risk of sounding like a broken record...
If the Angels don’t perform next season (i.e.- make the playoffs), in my opinion Reagins is out of a job. Yes, there is such a thing as accountability, even in Arte’s world.
A wise man does not need advice and a fool won't take it.
I agree with this.
Reagins was able to fire scapegoats this year, but not next year.
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The majority of his moves/non-moves have been either neutral or good. Some have been poor. Trading for Kaz didn’t work. Signing Torii and Pineiro did. Letting Lackey and Figgins walk was smart. Vlad was a bad move but signing Matsui wasn’t horrible. Abreu was OK. Rivera hasn’t worked out. The hitting farm has been a mess sans Kendry Morales and I think that’s the biggest issue with the org right now: We can’t for the life of us develop a decent hitter. Is that Reagin’s fault? I honestly don’t know. But watching Kotchman and Wood fail miserably has been a serious problem and I’m wondering if waiting for the next wave of players like Salmon, Glaus, Erstad, Edmonds and Anderson is too much to ask from this team. If so I think that’s bad news for all of us.
I’m with you though. I think this is the year he has a chance to prove his worth. I don’t know if the Angels must make the playoffs but they better well damn be close and be in the race down to the final week of the season or he should get axed.
by Nashdiesel on Nov 13, 2010 3:04 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Great post
I’d argue that Reagins has done a fine job. This year was NOT about the GM but about the talent severely underperforming. Look at that lineup, top to bottom, you had NO players that performed better in 2010 than they did in 2009. Rotation was almost the story. Outside of Weaver, where were the standout performances? Here’s my breakdown of his moves based off what we knew at the time (letter grades assigned):
- Rodney © – too much and too many years but it won’t kill us Hunter (A) – although this one will come back to bite us
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- Rivera (B) – the guy put up 3.3 WAR in year 1 – he can definitely play despite an awful 2010 Matsui (B) – performed when we didn’t need it – hard to fault the move though (2 WAR for $6m)
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- Pineiro (B) – was skeptical at the time but this turned out to be a solid move ($10m in value while missing 25% of the season) Kazmir (F) – really the only blemish that has hurt and will continue to hurt the Angels in 2011
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- Abreu – Round 1 (A) – great move. Short commitment and low dollars Abreu – Round 2 © – too many years and too many dollars and lost a draft pick opportunity
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All a GM can do is bring in quality players. Who would have guessed that Wood would have a historically bad (not just bad – but bad for the ages)? Who would have bet on Kendry Morales breaking his leg? Who would have put money on Napoli, Kendrick, Aybar, Rivera, Hunter, Abreu, and Mathis ALL playing worse in 2010 vs 2009? Did anyone see Kazmir putting up a 6+ ERA after his August/September performance in 2009? Or the bullpen getting hammered after Bulger/Jepsen took some major steps forward in the 2nd half of 09. Basically, anything that could have gone wrong, did. Exception – Jered Weaver.
Finally, this team WOULD NOT have won had they retained Lackey, Figgins, and Vlad. Their payroll would have been $145m, still would have been a 500 team, would be locked in on some serious high dollar contracts AND no Cowart, Bedrosian, etc.
by bjsguess on Nov 14, 2010 9:47 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Nice strikethroughs
Great – strikethroughs on my post. Why did the system do that?
its the hyphens.
use = or * or pretty much anything else. it reads two hyphens as code for crossout text between the two.
crossout
by Balls and Strikes on Nov 15, 2010 1:42 PM PST up reply actions
Just mentioning Kotchman and Wood is generous of you.
There are a few other hitting prospects who fizzled, McPherson leading the pack. One could also include Kendrick in this discussion since he was touted as a future batting champ, but keeps hitting for less avg every year (although I personally am fine with having a 2B who hits .280 with 40+ doubles). And we can’t forget that Jeff Mathis was actually supposed to be a good hitting catcher!
Trust the Deception
by Rally Manatee on Nov 14, 2010 2:58 PM PST up reply actions
I seem to remember D Mac actually being able to hit, though
It was that whole sickbay commando thing that did him in.
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by Commander_Nate on Nov 15, 2010 8:50 AM PST up reply actions
"What is Reagins doing to save his job this offseason?"
It’s the team’s and FO’s fault that the season went like it did. Why are some acting like Mets fans: blaming GM for our shitty team.
They want power. We want respect...
Who put that shitty team together?
"People ask me what I do in winter when there's no baseball. I'll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring." -- Rogers Hornsby
by K3YEROUT on Nov 13, 2010 2:47 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Well,
you can look at the whole team and say Abreu, HK, Aybar, Juancho are the bats who underachieved tremendously. So, I’d shift the blame towards them. I can blame Ninja for how much bang for his buck he got with the signings. If K-Mo stayed healthy and the names I mentioned above produced at a average level, no way this team is third in the AL West with a 80-82 record. We fell flat on our face with many of our homegrown players.
They want power. We want respect...
by SenorChuckles on Nov 13, 2010 6:05 PM PST up reply actions
Tony Reagins' Opening day 2010 25 Man Roster and debut dates
So this is the talent that Tony put together for 2010 (LINKIE) 13 out of 25 are homegrown talent.
Scot Shields (May 26, 2001, debut with Angels), Joe Saunders (Aug. 16, 2005), Ervin Santana (May 17, 2005), Jason Bulger (May 20, 2006), Jered Weaver (May 27, 2006), Kevin Jepsen (September 8, 2008), Brian Fuentes (April 6, 2009), Matt Palmer (April 23, 2009), Joel Piñeiro April 2010, Fernando Rodney April 2010, Brian Stokes April 2010
Robb Quinlan (July 28, 2003), Maicer Izturis (April 5, 2005), Howie Kendrick (April 26, 2006), Erick Aybar (May 16, 2006), Kendry Morales (May 23, 2006), Brandon Wood (April 6, 2007),
Jeff Mathis (Aug. 12, 2005), Mike Napoli (May 4, 2006), Bobby Wilson (April 28, 2008)
Juan Rivera (April 6, 2005), Terry Evans (June 17, 2007), Torii Hunter (March 31, 2008), Bobby Abreu (April 6, 2009),
Hideki Matsui April 2010
My true date for falling off the Tony Reagins bandwagon was Aug 30th when I posted this rant HERE related to “Roles” and “Role Players” and the general lack thereof on the roster as constituted. There are so many offensive holes in the Angel roster that simply adding a Crawford or Beltre will not mend. IMO the Angels need players capable of filling the 1-3 roles in the lineup. I don’t think those players are available via Free Agency (sorry Carl). Halos can probably squeeze someone into the 2 hole with existing talent, but not 1 and 3…unless someone steps up in a huge way. I’m talking to you Howie and Erick.
I agree that many players significantly underperformed this season. Not Tony’s fault. And with:
We fell flat on our face with many of our homegrown players.
"People ask me what I do in winter when there's no baseball. I'll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring." -- Rogers Hornsby
Yes.
It’s a collective effort is what I’m saying. Ninja deserves the blame, to some extent, but there is no way he deserves most or all.
They want power. We want respect...
by SenorChuckles on Nov 13, 2010 6:08 PM PST up reply actions
So you're saying that the ninja has secret ninjas behind him who collectively make more decisions that he does?
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by snowhor on Nov 14, 2010 7:48 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
If I were to place any blame on Reagins it's for Rodney and Fuentes who were not as good
as we needed them to be. Blame to Soth and Reagins who kept throwing players out there like Kazmir, Mathis, and Wood who never showed signs of turning it around. Reagins again and Arte for not getting a third baseman that was really good when they knew they needed one badly instead of filling in with average, below average fill ins at third. The rest goes to everyone else on the team except Torii, Napoli, and Abreu for performing well below where they should have and the bullpen for sucking in general.
Reagins getting Haren was kind of a major coup so I give him credit for that. As far as Soth goes there are not too many other managers in baseball I would rather have despite his flaws. I don’t think we would have been that much better off had we kept Lackey, Figgins, and Guerrero by the way the rest of the team performed, and the way Figgins regressed in Seattle and Lackey regressed in Boston. Vlad had a good first half in Texas, poor second half the season and a disasterous post season so I don’t see much difference in his and Matsui’s production. Vlad cannot play the field at all. We did save some money letting those guys go anyway.
I think Arte tried to get by on the cheap this past year hoping that guys like Morales and Hunter would carry the team. Once Morales got injured, it all blew up in Arte’s face and he realized he can’t do that anymore. I’m giving them, Arte and Tony, the benefit of the doubt and see what moves they make in the off season, see what the “new” team will do and then judge. In business you have to take chances and if it doesn’t work out you learn from your mistakes and try to move on and improve. We will find out what they learned if anything but I’m much more optimistic now about the team than I was a few months ago.
Peter Bourjos is faster than anyone on your team.
I think the “Wood Fail” should fall squarely on 2 people. Tony and Brandon! Tony had no business bringing Woody up to rot on the bench during his prime “learning years.” Brandon, well…
Trading for Collapso was a joke. Either find an impact 3b or don’t make a trade at all.
"People ask me what I do in winter when there's no baseball. I'll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring." -- Rogers Hornsby
Hey, come on now
I like Angels news. I come here to discuss a baseball team on a blogging website. Im as guilty as all of you.
But Edwin Fing Encarbnaoangngaoopon?
I could literally care less.
I brought sexy back, but they only gave me store credit....
by PhiSlamma on Nov 13, 2010 7:10 PM PST reply actions 3 recs
Honestly dont be shocked, however,
if the Angels get outbid on every single player yet again this offseason. Beltre gets a year more from the Sox, Crawford gets a boatload from someone else, and Soriano signs with the Braves or some crap for 5$ more than the Angels want to give up.
It seems like it happens every year. Its some kind of karmatic backlash from stealing Vlad from the Dodgers.
I brought sexy back, but they only gave me store credit....
It's inevitable, we will be outbid for certain players. We need a strong farm system that can prevent this from being catostrophic.
Example, getting outbid for Teixeira ended up being the biggest blessing in disguise ever for the Angels. They saved 20 million, Kendry Morales blew up and we got Mike Trout.
If we get outbid for Crawford, I say we don’t even bother going after Werth, he’s just going to be Aaron Rowand all over again. I say we actually find out about all these fringe prospects we have. Willits hit .291 in his only full season and had a hell of an OBP. Chris Pettit looks like he could sport a .280/.340 30 DB 25 SB type of season with good defense. Tyson Auer looks really fast and has a beauitful swing. Maybe by the end of year we could see Trout.
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"Yup, we've got uniforms and everything, it's really great!" - Jake Taylor
I don't understand the irrational hate for Jayson Werth
First he was GMJ, now he’s Aaron Rowand? Those guys didn’t have half the resume Werth does when they signed big contracts. Yes, he will be overpaid. Yes, he will decline with age. Both of those are true of every major free agent signing these days. At least Werth stands a chance of still being able to get on base when he’s 35, which anyone could tell was not going to be the case with Matthews, Rowand, and will very probably be the case with Carl Crawford as well.
Rowand and Werth
Rowand’s last season in Philly:
.309/.374/.515 27 HR 89 RBI
Werth:
.296/.388/.532 27 HR 85 RBI
You absolutely sure you want Werth?
I brought sexy back, but they only gave me store credit....
OPS+ in three seasons prior to free agency
Gary Matthews Jr. – 108
Aaron Rowand – 103
Jayson Werth – 132
To be clear, I do not endorse the Angels signing Jayson Werth. I don’t think they should sign any expensive free agent outfielder this offseason. But it’s total bullshit to compare Jayson Werth to either of these other guys. He’s a genuine hitter, whereas GMJ and Rowand just got lucky in their contract years. He’s just a little too old to be worth the risk at this point.
by Suboptimal on Nov 13, 2010 10:02 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
So what you are saying is you love Jayson Werth, want his man babies, and the Angels should lock him up for ten years?!
I brought sexy back, but they only gave me store credit....
by PhiSlamma on Nov 14, 2010 12:16 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Does anyone have a internet sense of humor around here anymore?
I brought sexy back, but they only gave me store credit....
by PhiSlamma on Nov 14, 2010 11:38 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
i get it
+1
go long with extenze...i do
by angelsownredsux on Nov 14, 2010 1:57 PM PST up reply actions
Not unless you dumb it down with emoticons
"I can't tell people what to think or not to think. Their perceptions are their perceptions. We just feel we've taken a step forward. At the end of the day, we have to play 162 games. Once that happens then we'll be able to evaluate the offseason moves."~Tony Reagins, on the Angels' offseason
by George Kaplan on Nov 14, 2010 2:25 PM PST up reply actions
Well in that case
LOL =P I was totally fist pump joking so like, = ), omfg lol. ; )
I brought sexy back, but they only gave me store credit....
Well in that case
LOL =P I was totally fist pump joking so like, = ), omfg lol. ; )
I brought sexy back, but they only gave me store credit....
I'm with Sub here
Werth has a track record of getting on base via the walk, which allows him to be productive when his average falls. His career BB% is 12.3%.
In his best season (rookie, 2001 with White Sox), Rowand’s was 10.1%. Every other year it was in single digits.
In addition, Werth’s ISO is roughly .30 higher than Rowand’s.
Werth’s a better all around player than Rowand was, and he’s done it on a consistent basis, whereas Rowand had an outlying career year just before becoming a free agent (see Gary Mathews).
so what if he is or is not roward
werth will still be a bad signing.
People on MLBTR compared Werth to Rowand,
clearly they know what they’re talking about.
They want power. We want respect...
by SenorChuckles on Nov 14, 2010 10:21 AM PST up reply actions
Excuse me if this thread seems like a lot of hyperbole
Maybe it’s time for a little reality?
2008: 100-62, lost in ALDS 3-1
2009: 97-65, lost in ALCS 4-2
2010: 80-82, 3rd place in AL West
So the gist of what is being written here is that after having two seasons better than any other GM not named Amaro, Epstein or Cashman, Reagins is now on thin ice?
Sorry, but I just don’t get the sense that this is how Arte rolls.
I believe that over 2011 and 2012, the Haren trade will be on the level of the Tigers’ acquisition of MigCab. In addition, it was a good counter-move to the Rangers’ acquisition of Cliff Lee, only the Angels will have Haren for two more seasons plus an option, while the Rangers will most likely be watching Lee pitch on YES. Insult to injury may be felt if the Rangers either watch Smoak fulfill his promise in Seattle, or flip him to the Brewers for one season of Prince Fielder.
(aside: Has everyone noticed that the two coveted jewels of the Tigers’ farm system [Maybin and Miller], who were untouchable but ultimately traded to the Marlins for Cabrera, were both traded by Florida in the span of a week? Bright talent in the minors doesn’t always equal success in the majors, and Skaggs and Corbin may be years before they show if they have the stuff to succeed.)
We all know that the Kazmir experiment hasn’t worked out, but it did mean that the Angels didn’t overpay for Lackey, and the latter’s failure to thrive in the lower-pressure #3 role in Boston is a clear indication that the Angels’ front office read that player file correctly.
What folks here keep failing to put in perspective is that the front office is a three-headed monster of Reagins/Scioscia/Moreno, four if Stoneman is included. Decisions are made with deliberation, not on a hunch or on the fly. It seems realistic to conclude that Kazmir was acquired due to his age, his potential to return to form, and (perhaps most importantly) a feeling from Butcher that he could “fix” Kazmir.
It is true the team was caught flat-footed when Morales was injured, exposing a talent deficit in the minors. At the same time, Reagins didn’t panic and trade away a lot of talent to get a partial season of some current MLB player, and would have acquired Derrek Lee if not for Lee’s desire to play elsewhere. We don’t know what the opposing GMs asked in return for their 1B, but if the price was someone like Bourjos, I am just as happy the trade wasn’t made.
Likewise, I don’t think anyone anticipated how Juan Rivera just completely lost it, looking fat, old and incompetent in 2010, which was not how he played in 2009. If Rivera had played as projected and Morales stayed healthy the entire season, the outcome of 2010 would have been much, much better.
I don’t think the Angels will outbid the Red Sox for Beltre, but their ace in the hole may be the team’s location in SoCal, close to Casa de Beltre. I think the team will sign Crawford, who has given signs he wants to play in Anaheim. I do think Reagins will have one trade (at least) to make which will address some of the team weaknesses, whether it is a player for the big team or depth for the minors.
But most importantly—and I think this is the factor so many here tend to overlook, as we are focused on the “now”—is that the team has to plan for 2012.
° That will be Weaver’s final season in arbitration, and as a Boras client we should anticipate his leaving.
° That will be Torii’s final year under his deal.
° Assuming they’re still with the club, that will be the final arb year for Aybar, Kendrick and Napoli, among others.
So a lot of personnel decisions will need to be made following the 2012 season. I believe some possible trades this past season might not have been made to keep the guys like Bourjos and Segura in the pipeline to staff the club in 2013, which could shape up to be a huge transitional season for the team. The only two starting pitchers under contract in 2013 are Haren and Santana (both option years), and so keeping guys like Chatwood and Richards in the system instead of trading them is important to planning the team’s future.
When Morales went down and the team’s offense was in a funk, I think it would have been easy to find some replacement parts, if cost was no object. I don’t think there is a team in baseball which would have turned down an offer which included Bourjos, and that is before he was promoted and showed what he could do in a MLB center field. Trout would have been an “open sesame” which would have garnered just about anyone in exchange. I believe 2010 was managed in the front office with an eye on 2013, and that is the hallmark of the Moreno organization—play for today, but plan for tomorrow.
This time next year, the premise behind this thread will seem like unbelievable goofiness.
"I can't tell people what to think or not to think. Their perceptions are their perceptions. We just feel we've taken a step forward. At the end of the day, we have to play 162 games. Once that happens then we'll be able to evaluate the offseason moves."~Tony Reagins, on the Angels' offseason
by George Kaplan on Nov 14, 2010 9:40 AM PST reply actions 3 recs
'Bout time one of our resident Jedi Word Masters checked in.
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by Commander_Nate on Nov 14, 2010 12:02 PM PST up reply actions
George, You say "Maybe it’s time for a little reality?" I agree.
Let’s look again at the Angels win/loss record for the past three years: Is that a trend you think Moreno is going to tolerate for much longer?
2008: 100-62, lost in ALDS 3-1
2009: 97-65, lost in ALCS 4-2
2010: 80-82, 3rd place in AL West
Also, your response focuses on player moves but fails to take into consideration all the coaching/staff changes that have taken place over the past two months. Basically, the Angels staff has been obliterated. Let’s review:
Eddie Bane, scouting director – fired; replaced by Rick Wilson.
Jim Bryant, Bart Braun Jr., Jeff Scholzen, scouts – fired.
Dale Sutherland, major league scout – fired.
Ned Bergert, athletic trainer, fired.
Orlando Mercado, bullpen coach – transferred; replaced by Steve Soliz.
Tom Gregorio replaced Soliz as bullpen catcher.
Ron Roenicke, bench coach – hired by the Brewers; replaced by Rob Picciolo
Gary Disarcina – newly hired as assistant to the GM
Why is this significant? It appears that Moreno gave Reagins free reign to develop an almost completely new coaching staff and Reagins has done so, making an indelible mark on the staff, one that will be on full display at the end of next season when Moreno evaluates his GM based on the team’s performance. The staff changes, combined with upcoming FA signings, now have all signs pointing to one place in the blame game: the GMs office.
Good or bad, on a day in October 2011,Tony Reagins’ day of reckoning will be upon him.
A wise man does not need advice and a fool won't take it.
Seriously?
° The difference between 2008 and 2009 was three wins. The poor season in 2010, in comparison to the prior two years, can hardly be called “a trend”.
° Is it your contention that Reagins arranged for Roenicke to be hired by the Brewers to further the GM’s “stamp” upon the staff? If not, what was the significance of including it?
° The changes in the scouting department represented a wholesale changeover in planning and direction. This is the only action among those you listed which could remotely be seen as Reagins marking his territory.
° The reassignment of Mercado and the subsequent movement of chess pieces happens on just about half the teams in baseball in any given offseason—hell, a few of the teams simply fire members of the coaching staff after a poor season, which is clearly not the case here. No particular significance should be associated with it. Further, Mercado’s new post is as Roving Catching Instructor, and given the emphasis Scioscia places on this position, this hardly seems like a demotion for Mercado. Likewise, other members of the organization were thus promoted or moved laterally into their new posts—hardly anything unusual going on here.
° Disarcina’s postion is apparently to be the eyes and ears of the front office in the field when visiting the farm clubs. This is a post which many teams have and is hardly an innovation on the part of the Angels, not should it be thought of as some sort of significant move on the part of Reagins.
Finally, you seem to be clinging to the notion that Reagins makes his decisions with no outside input and with complete autonomy. I don’t think there is any evidence to support that notion, and thus his ass would be on the line only if his hand was the only one on the wheel.
"I can't tell people what to think or not to think. Their perceptions are their perceptions. We just feel we've taken a step forward. At the end of the day, we have to play 162 games. Once that happens then we'll be able to evaluate the offseason moves."~Tony Reagins, on the Angels' offseason
by George Kaplan on Nov 14, 2010 2:22 PM PST up reply actions
Point-by-Point:
- Yes, I call it a trend – "A general direction in which something tends to move."
- I included Roenicke only for the purpose of fully articulating the changes in the coaching staff. Period.
- Agree with first sentence.
- To define all the coaching changes as "hardly anything unusual" fails the laugh test.
- You say Disarcina’s hiring "should not be thought of as some sort of significant move." What if he was
unilaterally placed there by Moreno: Could Disarcina’s hiring be a foretelling of the future? Is he being groomed
in case Tony doesn’t live up to expectations?
- Reagins was hired as the GM in October, 2007. Since that time, he has been increasingly responsible for the
product that is the Angels. Essentially, Bill Stoneman left him with the team that played out the 2008 season,
winning 100 games and having the best record of the three since Reagins has been GM. Is it a coincidence that
the team has a poorer record each of the two years after that?
I certainly don’t put all the blame on Reagins, but again my focus is on responsibility. Just where does the buck stop?
A wise man does not need advice and a fool won't take it.
OK
Two seasons of 97+ wins with a third year of 80 wins is not a trend in any meaningful sense of the word. It is a trend when the fourth season is also 80-85 wins. Otherwise, it is just a bad season. Statistics require some precise language.
Review the offseason moves of the MLB clubs over the last few years and you’ll see those changes are not unusual.
Your Discarcina theory is the love child of Robert Ludlum and Mark Whicker, unfortunately with more of the latter’s DNA. That is a theory full of imagination and bereft of fact.
I don’t dispute that Reagins won’t be accountable; what I do dispute is the amped-up hysteria that he’d be kicked to the curb if the Angels don’t have another 97-win season in 2011.
"I can't tell people what to think or not to think. Their perceptions are their perceptions. We just feel we've taken a step forward. At the end of the day, we have to play 162 games. Once that happens then we'll be able to evaluate the offseason moves."~Tony Reagins, on the Angels' offseason
by George Kaplan on Nov 14, 2010 4:40 PM PST up reply actions
Wow...
…some of you guys really must be used to mediocracy and being an appologist with your sports teams.
Reagins has done “Ok” (i.e. half right, half wrong with his choices) is fine enough?
I guarantee I could do “Ok” if given the chance. OK?!?!? Make enough trades/releases and half will work, half won’t. Big deal!
It’s largely why most don’t even know the Angels existed this last season.
Want to win a WS again? Get a great GM!
We’ll be having this conversation at the end of next season again. ((cues up the music…))
+1
A wise man does not need advice and a fool won't take it.
by angelslogic on Nov 14, 2010 11:49 AM PST up reply actions
Name me one GM
who hits on more than 50% of his moves. Seriously, try it.
Mitch Kupchak
or however you spell it.
by lightupthehalo29 on Nov 14, 2010 2:42 PM PST up reply actions
And he
ALMOST got fired after years of disappointing draft picks, uninspired free agent signings (Kwame Brown, seriously?), and overseeing the demise of ShaqKobe. He basically just got lucky when Kobe decided to return, and ever since then, he has been on a roll.
It was when he got an assist from Jerry West
And the Lakers got Pau Gasol from the Grizzlies for pocket change and has-beens.
"I can't tell people what to think or not to think. Their perceptions are their perceptions. We just feel we've taken a step forward. At the end of the day, we have to play 162 games. Once that happens then we'll be able to evaluate the offseason moves."~Tony Reagins, on the Angels' offseason
by George Kaplan on Nov 14, 2010 7:01 PM PST up reply actions
I can name them and so can you...
…but then you (or someone) will argue "Well, does 10% more make a difference? Has that team won a championship in a while? What about player X eh?’
My point wasn’t as much about the percentage of success (although it’s part of it) as much as the fact that some fans are just happy we have a ‘functioning’ GM vs. best of the best.
I can’t say I know everything that makes a great GM any more than what makes a great coach, or project manager, or…
But you know it when you see it and I don’t see it, feel it, or sniff it with Reagins.
Can he survive? Yes. But just don’t come complaining…
And yes, I’d much rather have a Cashman, Epstein, or Friedman than a Del Taco concierge.
P.S. I’m a hater.
What's your favorite flavor?

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by Commander_Nate on Nov 16, 2010 1:47 PM PST up reply actions
A fine choice, sir.
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by Commander_Nate on Nov 16, 2010 6:54 PM PST up reply actions
Do it then!
I’m not arguing that Reagins is the best of the best. He’s definitely taken some lumps but has had a few moments of pure genius to go along with it (Haren was an especially tasty get). Yes, Epstein and Friedman are probably better than him, just as Albert Pujols and Adrian Gonzales are better than Kendry Morales. So what? If the best of the best is not available, you get the best you can get. Get it?
And please get off the Cashman love. He brought Vazquez over TWICE to wilt under the NY spotlight, signed Nick Johnson thinking he’d finally be healthy and gave way too much money to a headcase like Burnett. It seems awfully easy to paper over your mistakes when you have twice everyone else’s budget.
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by 2pintsofbooze on Nov 16, 2010 3:35 PM PST up reply actions
My request was for Gillick...
HOF bound…
"People ask me what I do in winter when there's no baseball. I'll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring." -- Rogers Hornsby
Fair enough
Sandy Alderson was available at the time as well. This is a team that likes to “keep it in the family” when it comes to promoting coaches/front office personnel. I’ve been critical of this strategy in the past (Mike Butcher) but when Reagins was selected, he was taking over for a retiring Stoneman, who had a pretty nice run. I don’t think Arte felt that wholesale changes were necessary. I do feel that Reagins brings his own philosophy to the table. The trades he’s made so far during his tenure would have likely been a non-starter with Stoneman at the helm.
the thing is the Angels should never be in the ALCS again! They should keeping losing in the ALDS
2002 Angels won WS —> 2003 missed playoffs
2005 Angels lost ALCS —> 2006 missed playoffs
2009 Angels lost ALCS —> 2010 missed playoffs
Arte says he'll do "whatever it takes"
…and it’s rumored that he will go along with a 10% increase in payroll. There was more than 10% wrong with last year’s team. The Yankees try to do whatever it takes and have scored once in the last 10 years.
Look at the two teams in this year’s World Series and the dismal seasons they had while they were rebuilding. They have less payroll because they developed players who are still under club control.
The Angels are trying to be in the hunt every season without the short-term pain, and with lower draft picks (note the scouting department took the fall this year), and lower-priced tickets. I’m not sure you can satisfy all that criteria year-in and year-out. Yet they had six consecutive winning seasons and would have had at least a winning season and possibly a division title this year if Kendry Morales didn’t get hurt.
That puts enormous pressure on your GM. So much has to go right.
If Tony Reagins could have one wish without repercussions, I’m sure he would tell Arte Moreno to SHUT UP.
by California Cajun on Nov 15, 2010 10:54 AM PST reply actions
When this team goes 10 years without sniffing the playoffs (Like the Buffalo Bills)
Then I’ll carry the torch and pitchforks with you guys………
Why are we talking about this exactly?
Own the blame Mr Wilson.
by norcaliangelsfan on Nov 16, 2010 9:15 AM PST reply actions
So basically wait until the team has cancer, a stroke, diabetes, and spray diarrhea?
Then who will you get rid of after 10 years of shit?
The coach? GM? Owner? Mascot? Everyone?
Smart…
The Angels have had moaky ball suckness at developing players over the last 8-10 years. I’d go so far as to say it could be MLB bottom-3 worse but I’d have to breakdown every team and player development over the last 10 years and I’d much rather just make up shit because it sounds good.
And is probably true.
While Reagins isn’t soley responsible for the player development issues as he’s only been screwing things up for a shorter while (and the team has begun addressing that issue), if you want to be relevant and talked about in baseball (i.e. respected), you make changes when anything is less than the best while trying to keep some continuity and give a person their fair chance to succeed.
I’m not a Reagins fan and won’t be. Period.
I think this season could and should be his time, along with Soth, to turn things around.
The team won’t make the playoffs or anything more of course, but I want to see a competitive team play with heart and some fire (Soth’s responsibility) and the type of players take the fields that a fan can really get into – character, production, and spirit.
Yeah tall order eh?
I love this picture though, I just wonder how his interview with Arte went...
Arte: Why are you smiling?
Reagins: I love smiling, smiling is the best.
Arte: Are you okay? Did you get hit with a line drive or something?
Reagins: I like baseball.
Arte: Okay, you’re hired. Because I dont always drink beer but when I do, I prefer dos equis.
by Balls and Strikes on Nov 16, 2010 12:10 PM PST up reply actions
Reagins = Cat ... Me = Dave
Yeah, I’d make an equal attempt at helping find Reagins…
( read down the left side first, then the right )

by RedFog on Nov 16, 2010 2:02 PM PST up reply actions 5 recs
Ughh didn't realize it would be so small...
Go here for a larger version.
made my day.
They want power. We want respect...
by SenorChuckles on Nov 16, 2010 4:22 PM PST up reply actions
HAHA
Where did you find that?
Scioscialist Party of America - Redistributing your defense since 2000.
by Commander_Nate on Nov 16, 2010 5:52 PM PST up reply actions
In fact, my warcry next season when fans start to QQ about things not going well...
“Reagins. He is lost in the negative space.”
What was it again that Tony did before he became GM?
Case rested
"People ask me what I do in winter when there's no baseball. I'll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring." -- Rogers Hornsby
Oversaw a farm system that produced Robb Quinlan, Jeff Mathis, and Reggie Willits...
Thank goodness McDonalds doesn’t assume the guy that does a good job running the fries machine can also manage a franchise or I’d never get my McRib!
Case is now more properly rested.

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