A's Offer Beltre $64 Million, Trade Rajai Davis
by Rev Halofan on Nov 17, 2010 3:09 PM PST
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Freedom Blogging's Angels gumshoe Sam Miller has scoured the Dominincan Press and uncovered a report that the Oakland Athletics (remember them?) have offered Adrian Beltre a 5 year, $64 million contract.
UPDATE: The A's have traded Rajai Davis to Toronto for two pitching prospects. Read the SAM MILLER REPORT on this.
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Not surprising.
Since all of the new stadium ventures have fallen through, they’re going to have to keep the loyal A’s fans interested until they ultimately decide to relocate to Redding or Fresno.
YOU DON'T KNOW THE POWER OF THE DARKSIDE.....
I lived in Redding for the better part of a decade, that city couldn't support a major league franchise.
Not sure where you pulled Redding from anyway. If anywhere, I’d say Santa Clara, San Jose and Sacramento are the most likely destinations if they decide to move.
"You play for Cleveland? I didn't know they still had a team." - Claire Holloway
"Yup, we've got uniforms and everything, it's really great!" - Jake Taylor
Halowood. I was joking bro.
Redding is a little hole in the wall. Of course choakland isn’t much better.
YOU DON'T KNOW THE POWER OF THE DARKSIDE.....
Redding is anything but a hole in the wall.
:-(
Jerk.
The score dictated they pass
by norcaliangelsfan on Nov 17, 2010 1:46 PM PST up reply actions
Sorry norcali. It is a nice hole in the wall though.
If it makes you feel any better i’m from San Bernardino originally. A truly ugly, crowded and smoggy shithole. ;)
YOU DON'T KNOW THE POWER OF THE DARKSIDE.....
Heh......
Redding is dumb though, they should have gotten a 4 year school here when they had the chance, and it would be better.
I mean for crying out loud MERCED got a UC school.
Redding sucks for its high unemployement and crusty old and out of touch conservatism.
The score dictated they pass
by norcaliangelsfan on Nov 17, 2010 2:23 PM PST up reply actions
Redding's nightlife sucks too....
The bars are jampacked full of 50-somethings that just came down from the mountain and smell like it. Then there’s the Rusty Nail, full of 20 and 30 somethings that I never liked in high school and they still give me dirty looks to this day.
However, there are some nice subdivisions, Mcmansions and golf courses. And the lakes are awesome and the wife and I always crash there on our way back from snowboard in Mt. Shasta. Really beautiful place.
"You play for Cleveland? I didn't know they still had a team." - Claire Holloway
"Yup, we've got uniforms and everything, it's really great!" - Jake Taylor
bahaha
San B perfectly described in 3 lines. Luckily, Im above the trash of San Bernardino up in Lake Arrowhead!
" With Haren bolstering the rotation, the Angels are set up beautifully for 2011"- Another East coast biased reporter
by Halos2011champs on Nov 17, 2010 2:43 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Has it snowed up there yet?
Tryin’ to get my board sesh on…
Scioscialist Party of America - Redistributing your defense since 2000.
by Commander_Nate on Nov 17, 2010 3:39 PM PST up reply actions
Nah we are suppose to get some this weekend
Snow summit and Mt. High are open. Snow valley is opening up this weekend. Bear shouldnt be too far behind either
" With Haren bolstering the rotation, the Angels are set up beautifully for 2011"- Another East coast biased reporter
by Halos2011champs on Nov 17, 2010 7:52 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Its pretty frickin sweet not gonna lie
" With Haren bolstering the rotation, the Angels are set up beautifully for 2011"- Another East coast biased reporter
by Halos2011champs on Nov 18, 2010 6:28 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
Know any bands from there? Or close by?
My band is playing there at Bombay’s Dec 20th and we need to find 2 bands to join us. Here’s us:
(Sorry for the non-baseball but we’re desperate to fill out this bill)
Trust the Deception
by Rally Manatee on Nov 19, 2010 5:42 PM PST up reply actions
Two separate reports, one at 45M and one at 64M -- both from the Latin press.
All within hours of each other. I smell Boras from here.
I wouldn’t trust any report that smells of Bor-ass.
Yup, smeels like a decoy to me. Probably just outlining the range they are looking for.
I think he ends up getting 4 years and between 55-60 million.
"You play for Cleveland? I didn't know they still had a team." - Claire Holloway
"Yup, we've got uniforms and everything, it's really great!" - Jake Taylor
I could see us paying that
I can’t see us paying five years or more than $60 million. Or at least I don’t want to see it.
Not sure about anyone else here, but I get all my daily info from the Domincan Press.
Solid journalism ethics, except from one guy by the name of MIguel Whickero.
What do you need a fancy suit for, Charlie, you ain't got no job to wear it to.
by clover_black on Nov 17, 2010 12:54 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
I use my spanish 101 just about as much as vlad uses his english.
What do you need a fancy suit for, Charlie, you ain't got no job to wear it to.
by clover_black on Nov 17, 2010 2:06 PM PST up reply actions
From Jon Heymans Twitter
Jon Heyman
it appears the comp being used by adrian beltre is torii hunter ($90 mil, 5 yrs). gulp.
if thats the case
can’t wait for Callaspo to be the starting 3B next season
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by 2pintsofbooze on Nov 17, 2010 12:57 PM PST up reply actions
Yeah, but that was so long ago
Haven’t you heard about inflation? The year Beltre hit 48 HRs you could buy steroids for a nickel!
Defending maligned chants since 2009
That's the comp I've been using too when assessing Beltre's market value.
But also to point out how much the Halos paid for Hunter. Not surprising that his agent would suggest it.
Of course, we can thank “Ninja” Tony Reagins for completely distorting the market for good-not-great players.
but torii has a great-not-good personality... so that more than makes up for it...
right?… right?
What do you need a fancy suit for, Charlie, you ain't got no job to wear it to.
by clover_black on Nov 17, 2010 3:13 PM PST up reply actions
Fuck. That. Noise.
Scioscialist Party of America - Redistributing your defense since 2000.
by Commander_Nate on Nov 17, 2010 1:38 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Rec'd because I love that movie and that is a quote that needs to be used more often.
"You play for Cleveland? I didn't know they still had a team." - Claire Holloway
"Yup, we've got uniforms and everything, it's really great!" - Jake Taylor
I would offer 4/65 and then leave
We’ve got other crap to do, and possibly even other Boras clients to deal with.
Scioscialist Party of America - Redistributing your defense since 2000.
I'd give him 4/60 Plus a vesting option for a 5th year at 15
with a 1M buyout. It would be nice to have a power hitter at 3rd that plays good D!
You all are crazy
$15 million a year for a guy who has never done anything outside of two contract years? Just a few years ago, Seattle was trying to figure out how to get ride of such an awful contract.
by HungryHunter on Nov 17, 2010 4:34 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
YOU are Crazy
You obviously are not familiar with Beltre. First of all, he was worth exactly what Seattle paid him. Read the link below, but here’s the most important sentence: “The former Dodger racked up a combined 16.7 WAR with Seattle, a performance that our Dollars system valued at $67.3 million.” Beltre’s Seattle contract was worth $64 million.
http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/appreciating-adrian-beltre/
Adrian Beltre is one of the top half-dozen or so active 3B.
In a recent thread, our esteemed Matt Welch observed: "Replace his two monster years with typical Beltre years, and he’d still be a top-40 3Bman
That’s as in "all-time." He’s 23rd all time in Wins Above Replacement for 3Bman as is (between Matt Williams and Carney Lansford), and even if the combined 16.2 of those two huge years was more like 6.2, he’d be in Don Money/Travis Fryman territory. Do you know how many 3Bman have had as many WAR through their age-31 season? Twelve."
You’re way off base in your Beltre assessment.
Adrian Beltre's career road stats vs. Scott Rolen's
GMs PAs AtBts Rns Hits 2Bs 3B HR RBI SB/CS BB SOs AVG OBP SLG
929 3990 3489 590 989 235 15 160 580 60/24 405 692 .283 .363 .497
924 3904 3581 475 1040 234 23 152 569 52/22 262 593 .290 .341 .496
Rolen’s on top. Who knew two good years could make you comparable to a HoF-level talent?
At least we'll get one monster contract year right?
go long with extenze...i do
by angelsownredsux on Nov 17, 2010 6:42 PM PST up reply actions
let's not forget this could be a boras ploy...
this is what he does better than any other agent out there. he can try to falsely inflate a players value by floating numbers out there. here’s probably how the scenario went down:
billy beane- scott, what will it take to get beltre in an oakland/redding uniform?
boras- 5 years $64 million
billy beane- ok, just asking. if you could circle back to us when other offers come in, i’d appreciate it.
boras- you got it.
boras immediately calls heyman
boras- i got a scoop for you heyman. all i’ll say is that the a’s and i are talking about a 5 year $64 million for beltre.
heyman- can i tweet you on that?
this sounds pretty damn close to me.
I just hope team weaver/boras doesn’t give us huge problems when we try to sign him long term =/
by (!ts_a_C.A._thing) on Nov 17, 2010 2:58 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Why not make moves early if you're the A's. If my budget is huge, I'm not gonna bother with NEw York's table scraps.
I’d go and get what I want and be done with it. They’re making good moves.
"You play for Cleveland? I didn't know they still had a team." - Claire Holloway
"Yup, we've got uniforms and everything, it's really great!" - Jake Taylor
The biggest move they've made to date was DeJesus
Iwakuma could turn out to be good. Encarnacion and Davis don’t really matter either way. Beltre would be huge for them, though.
Scioscialist Party of America - Redistributing your defense since 2000.
by Commander_Nate on Nov 17, 2010 3:40 PM PST up reply actions
You work with what you have.
"You play for Cleveland? I didn't know they still had a team." - Claire Holloway
"Yup, we've got uniforms and everything, it's really great!" - Jake Taylor
I bet they did offer it, when does boras try to get someone signed before december?
Although it seems crazy for the A’s to keep going after third basemen-
by Balls and Strikes on Nov 17, 2010 3:24 PM PST reply actions
Yeah better them then us,but we had better...
Get a LHRP,An impact bat or two ,and a late innings bullpen arm.
by deejayelleseven on Nov 17, 2010 5:00 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Hey wait...
No more Rajai Davis pissing me off on the basepath? I don’t mind that at all.
Red Hudler > Rodger Lodge
Indeed.I second this notion.
A’s Pitching staff is scary good for a bunch of young guys. Anderson ,Cahill,Braden,Gonzalez
by deejayelleseven on Nov 17, 2010 4:58 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Don't forget that the A's have Eric Chavez's $66 million deal coming off the books this season
They currently have $28 million committed for next season, and they likely won’t be hit too hard by arbitration raises. They may actually have the payroll space for a move like this. It’s puzzling that they’d add a third 3B, however. I guess they could easily dump Kouzmanoff and maybe flip Encarnacion or use him as backup, but I don’t think he plays any other infield positions.
Don't they have to hold Encarnacion until mid-June?
They signed him as a waiver claim, but I thought the same rule applied as to free agent signings.
I think its a given they’re going to non-tender Kouzmanoff because he’s due for arbitration and won’t be worth the minimun amount he’d get.
"I can't tell people what to think or not to think. Their perceptions are their perceptions. We just feel we've taken a step forward. At the end of the day, we have to play 162 games. Once that happens then we'll be able to evaluate the offseason moves."~Tony Reagins, on the Angels' offseason
by George Kaplan on Nov 18, 2010 3:14 AM PST up reply actions
BS
"Uhh yeah, GOLD might get you Jonas Brothers tickets. BLACK will have all three of them sucking your d***." Pat Anderson Assistant to the Assistant GM of Tampa
Offer
4 years 62 million and a mike napoli signed bobble head. He would take that.
Vote Napoli and Hunter for the 2012 election
by M.Napoli For President in 2012 on Nov 17, 2010 8:29 PM PST reply actions
I hope they sign him to that contract.
Oh, how we’ll make fun of that money for years.
They want power. We want respect...
I'd like to remind the A's ownership that the deal to move to San Jose hasn't gone through yet!
If they are forced to stay in Oakland, it is going to be a sorry, money-losing franchise for years to come.
F#@K STANFURD.
GO BEARS!!!!
And remind Beltre that Oakland Colosseum is as bad to hit in as Safeco
"I can't tell people what to think or not to think. Their perceptions are their perceptions. We just feel we've taken a step forward. At the end of the day, we have to play 162 games. Once that happens then we'll be able to evaluate the offseason moves."~Tony Reagins, on the Angels' offseason
by George Kaplan on Nov 18, 2010 3:16 AM PST up reply actions
They're not losing money
The recently leaked financial documents show that small-payroll teams are still very profitable due to revenue sharing. I have no doubt the A’s have made considerably more money than the Angels over the last five years.
That's because Billy Beane is a genius
He is even more genius-y than Jack Z.
"I can't tell people what to think or not to think. Their perceptions are their perceptions. We just feel we've taken a step forward. At the end of the day, we have to play 162 games. Once that happens then we'll be able to evaluate the offseason moves."~Tony Reagins, on the Angels' offseason
by George Kaplan on Nov 18, 2010 9:15 AM PST up reply actions
Yes, he proved it with Chrysler
Daimler bought Chrysler for $36B, then sells nine years later to Cerberus for $7.4B, all of which is to cover debts of Daimler to unions, facilities and GMAC. Ultimately, Daimler has to kick in another $650M just to cover all the debts, which means it “sold” Chrysler by paying a net of $650M.
It is worth noting that no other takers could be found for Chrysler because Daimler hadn’t done a thing about enhancing the brand value of the company.
Yes, that is a special kind of genius.
"I can't tell people what to think or not to think. Their perceptions are their perceptions. We just feel we've taken a step forward. At the end of the day, we have to play 162 games. Once that happens then we'll be able to evaluate the offseason moves."~Tony Reagins, on the Angels' offseason
by George Kaplan on Nov 19, 2010 7:12 PM PST up reply actions
F Beltre then if he is going to get a contract for 64 million or higher.
Let’s go get Crawford and Rafael Soriano.
"F it, let's pitch." - Ervin Santana
by Chzburger Jones on Nov 18, 2010 12:14 AM PST reply actions
This is the best news possible...
…as it means I don’t have to worry about him being stuck on the Angels with a longer than necessary contract.
So far so good.
KEEP EM COMING!
This is the best news possible...
…as it means I don’t have to worry about him being stuck on the Angels with a longer than necessary contract.
So far so good.
KEEP EM COMING!
The Collisseum eats batters alive...
How many times have we seen supposed power bats sign with the A’s just to watch their numbers PLUMMET! And like others have said, he didn’t fare so well in the pitcher’s paradise that is Safeco Field.
Did they ever reduce the foul territory there?
The vast amounts of foul ground alone reduce the batting averages of the Oakland players. Balls that would be foul and 6 rows back in any other stadium are still playable in Oakland.
"I can't tell people what to think or not to think. Their perceptions are their perceptions. We just feel we've taken a step forward. At the end of the day, we have to play 162 games. Once that happens then we'll be able to evaluate the offseason moves."~Tony Reagins, on the Angels' offseason
by George Kaplan on Nov 18, 2010 9:14 AM PST up reply actions
I dont think so
"Two middle fingers, you don't want my anger. Better call the Rangers, But you gonna need the Angels." -Weezy F. Baby
by Gold Glove Hunter 48 on Nov 18, 2010 12:19 PM PST up reply actions
I'd pass on Beltre
And have Naps start taking heavy reps at 3B. Just think, at 3B Sosh can verbally abuse him as much as he wants!
"I know Lackey...let's have a spelling contest."
by autry's cowboys on Nov 19, 2010 3:04 PM PST via mobile reply actions
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