mattwelch in the LA Times
One of HH's best provides the Times' Opinion piece concerning one of his best-known subjects, John McCain. I didn't realize it was Matt until I read the byline at the bottom!
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Nice article, Matt
I found some of those comments below it kind of funny given your position at Reason.
John McCain was probably my favorite politician (if you can believe in such a term) when I was in my teens and early 20’s. Unfortunately, I’ve lost basically all faith I ever had in him over the last several years.
If you don’t mind my asking, how did you get your journalistic career started?
Scioscialist Party of America - Redistributing your defense since 2000.
Reader's Digest version of my dumb career
1) Walked into the offices of UCSB’s Daily Nexus in the fall of 1986. Love at first sight. (Trivia for those of you in the Beltwayish region: Our assistant sports editor there was Steve Czaban.)
2) With some of my derelict Nexus friends, founded the first independent post-communist English-language newspaper in the former East Bloc, in Prague.
3) When that thing closed, moved to Budapest to be M.E. for a Business Journal.
4) Returned to the States after 8 long years, nobody would hire me, so freelanced for various (Online Journalism Review, WorkingForChange.com, Salon, Wired News) while contributing to a bunch of friends’ zany Web startups (Tabloid.net, Sportsjones).
5) Launched a bitchy local media site called LAexaminer.com; Richard Riordan called & suggested we use it as a springboard to start a new newspaper. Mockups were made (with an Eric Neel cover story about Shaq & Kobe!), but it came to naught.
6) Started a blog a few days after 9/11; became part of that burst of current-affairs blogging.
7) Eventually hitched on with Reason, alternating between freelance & staff.
8) Two years at the LAT, assistant editor for the Editorial Pages.
9) Hired back to edit Reason.
Lots of froth in the margins. Abject poverty for 15 of those 25 years.
Cool
I was just curious because one of my other daily activities besides reading HH at work is to try and figure out what I’m gonna do for a long-term career. Hearing about how others have gone down paths I might decide to pursue is always nice.
My latest idea: Prepping for the State Department’s Foreign Service Exam. It is free unlike the LSAT and GRE, so I figure why not see how that goes?
Scioscialist Party of America - Redistributing your defense since 2000.
by Commander_Nate on Nov 29, 2010 8:29 PM PST up reply actions
Government Job for Commander Nate?
Good Morning USA,
I got a feeling
that it’s gonna be
a wonderful day
The sun in the sky
has a smile on his face
and it’s shining to salute
to the American race.
Oh boy, it’s well to say:
“Good Morning USA.”
"You play for Cleveland? I didn't know they still had a team." - Claire Holloway
"Yup, we've got uniforms and everything, it's really great!" - Jake Taylor
Got to make use of that degree eventually
If it involves getting an alien to live in my attic, then I suppose I’m cool with it. I just hope I have higher ratings than the last guy.
If this and none of my other endeavors turn out, brewing is my fail-safe.
Scioscialist Party of America - Redistributing your defense since 2000.
by Commander_Nate on Nov 29, 2010 9:24 PM PST up reply actions
still waiting for a
2 pints of Commander’s Finest…
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by 2pintsofbooze on Nov 29, 2010 10:55 PM PST up reply actions
One day, 2pints, one day
FYI, my last batch (the one where a tried making my own recipe for the 1st time) came out pretty decent. Didn’t quite get the flavor mix I was going for, but it’s still a good beer.
Also, after watching the 1st three episodes of “Brew Masters”, my idea wasn’t all that crazy. ;)
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by Commander_Nate on Nov 30, 2010 9:49 AM PST up reply actions
the last time we talked about your brewing
it sparked my interest to the point where I told my wife that I wanted to give it a try. I have yet to do anything more than let her know of my interest, but now that its been brought up again, perhaps you can fill me in on what I would need to get started. nothing too intricate, just the bare essentials for now. I’m sure I could find the info online, but figured I’d ask a novice to get your take.
glad to hear your experimental brew turned out ok. I’m curious, around how much did you end up with?
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by 2pintsofbooze on Nov 30, 2010 10:11 AM PST up reply actions
Depends how serious you want to get with it
If you just want to give it a try and see how you like it without spending too much, then something like this is a pretty popular way to go. I’ve never used anything like it, but a lot of other people have.
If it’s something you think you’ll want to stick with for a while and want some flexibility, then I suggest something like kit #3 which is what I got from this place by my house. That one had basically everything you’d need to brew on your own and included some tools like a fermometer and two thermometers that allow you to be more precise. You can take a look there or on forums and see what you need if you want to try and find all of the parts yourself, but I think buying a kit is a cheaper option. I’m not sure what the homebrew scene is like up in OC/LA, but the place I linked is the biggest of 3 or 4 shops in SD. If you can’t find one by you, I would just order online unless you’re willing to drive to SD.
If you need any more advice, let me know.
Scioscialist Party of America - Redistributing your defense since 2000.
by Commander_Nate on Nov 30, 2010 11:44 AM PST up reply actions
thanks dude
perhaps now I know what to ask for xmas
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by 2pintsofbooze on Nov 30, 2010 12:09 PM PST up reply actions
Fuck. Seth. MacFarlane.
They want power. We want respect...
by SenorChuckles on Nov 29, 2010 11:15 PM PST up reply actions
ROFL
They want power. We want respect...
by SenorChuckles on Nov 30, 2010 12:12 AM PST up reply actions
Get ready to lie about your drug use, then!
But seriously, good luck. I have some good friends who’ve gone that route, and done some pretty interesting things (like run huge chunks of Afghanistan).
Heh - I don't have much to worry about there
I’m actually assuming my age/experience level is going to be the biggest hinderance. I’ve only got a BA and apparently the average age for entry level FSO’s is around 31 with either a master’s or more work experience. I’m mainly doing it just to see how far I get and go from there.
Foreign Policy is a tough field to crack.
Scioscialist Party of America - Redistributing your defense since 2000.
by Commander_Nate on Nov 30, 2010 9:56 AM PST up reply actions
sigh
I’m an Army and combat veteran finishing my degree in Journalism at UCI.
Funny, after my stint in the Army, I held a shitty sales job in Irvine and often read Reason on breaks and lunches. When I read an article on McCain one day, it alarmed me and I emailed the writer this very question (above).
Who was that writer? Pretty much got the same response, too.
And now that I’m finishing my degree (3.5 years no less), I too am wondering what the hell am I going to do? I’m already in abject poverty, both now as a student, and earlier as a soldier, but I wonder what it is I have to look forward to—not that I’da done anything different.
www.appealtoemulsion.com
Nothing myself and Commander_Nate over here aren't uncomfortably familiar with
Deployment, poverty, college, poverty, life, poverty. It’s our plight. Hopefully it has a happy ending. If all else fails, assuming we are in proper health we could always return to the misery/pleasure of military service. I knew I said I’d never go back in, but I’d do anything to make sure my family was taken care of.
"You play for Cleveland? I didn't know they still had a team." - Claire Holloway
"Yup, we've got uniforms and everything, it's really great!" - Jake Taylor
sorry bro
I won’t go back in. I’m still thin and in shape, but since I broke my arm (pitching in a mens league when I got home from Iraq), I can’t do more than 20 pushups and I was never strong in situps. Add to that my refusal to shave (electrically buzz, really) more than once a week and that I don’t believe in the quality of military elementary schools (or the surrounding areas) or that we should be “fighting” whatever it is we’re fighting—that option is closed off to me.
I guess I’m saying that I wish I knew how to write and how to photograph before I enlisted. As far as I know, I am the first enlisted soldier to blog from Iraq. Unfortunately, I didn’t write often enough, I didn’t tag my posts or make them searchable, and I didn’t write about the stuff that made Colby Buzzell famous and praised by guys like the late Kurt Vonnegut.
Couple weeks ago, I did a Veterans Day project for Newsweek and have been interviewed by the AP and NY Times, but aside from that, I have nothing leading to nothing.
Where am I going?
I will photograph and write for Season Tickets. :)
www.appealtoemulsion.com
I feel ya....
I wholeheartedly disagree with what we’re doing militarily right now, but like I said, there’s nothing I wouldn’t do for my family.
As far as baseball goes, I signed on with a semi-pro team and had one really good year, enough to grab the attention of some scouts, who quickly realized I was a 24 year old middle infielder that never played college. They weren’t interested after that. Then I feel bitter because I was dumb enough to be warped by the points of view of my family and enlisted in the Marines based purely off the drive to serve my country rather than walk on with a college team.
Hey I’m doing a project for one of my classes, interviewing veterans adjusting to the college life, I may be interested in what you have to say. Interested?
"You play for Cleveland? I didn't know they still had a team." - Claire Holloway
"Yup, we've got uniforms and everything, it's really great!" - Jake Taylor
journalism degree
i got kicked out of college for running an underground newspaper after the administration rigged the appointment of the school paper’s editor to prevent me form taking the helm. Then four years later, I get sued for defamation of character, invoke the shield law to protect my source on a story and the judge rules that I am not a journalist and cannot use the shield law.
But NOT because I did not finish my journalism degree. Because I did not file my taxes with JOURNALIST as my occupation.
Won the lawsuit, as truth is an absolute in all free speech cases that do not involve malice.
by Rev Halofan on Nov 29, 2010 11:10 PM PST up reply actions
Didn't you give me shit about going to a CSU :)
Something about diploma factories? I guess some people are just too damned smart for college.
"You play for Cleveland? I didn't know they still had a team." - Claire Holloway
"Yup, we've got uniforms and everything, it's really great!" - Jake Taylor
Well the out of state fees for University of Oregon were too steep for me.
And Stanford wasn’t exactly knocking on my door. So it came down to Davis, Sac State or Chico, and Chico had by far the strongest Anthropology department on the West Coast.
"You play for Cleveland? I didn't know they still had a team." - Claire Holloway
"Yup, we've got uniforms and everything, it's really great!" - Jake Taylor
oh wow
glad you clarified that for the biograpers.
by Rev Halofan on Nov 30, 2010 10:48 PM PST up reply actions
NRC rankings are based mostly on Graduate Programs. I'm still an undergrad.
I found the Anthro dept. at Chico to have the best Forensics Lab and most diverse area of study. They offered more courses in the Anthropology major than Davis did and included subjects like “Anthropology of Food” and “Magic, Witchcraft and Religion”. These are speciality classes that Davis just didn’t offer. However, should I decide to further pursue Anthropology after my Bachelors, it would be at Berkeley or Davis.
"You play for Cleveland? I didn't know they still had a team." - Claire Holloway
"Yup, we've got uniforms and everything, it's really great!" - Jake Taylor
I took a doctoral qualifying exam in anthropology of science
Most of the reading was pretty unbearable.
Yes, I'm told you have to be seriously committed in order to get your doctorate in an area of Anthro.
"You play for Cleveland? I didn't know they still had a team." - Claire Holloway
"Yup, we've got uniforms and everything, it's really great!" - Jake Taylor
I'm afraid to ask why, so I won't, but yes that's one of the most basic principles we addressed in Cultural Anthro
Probably my favorite class so far.
"You play for Cleveland? I didn't know they still had a team." - Claire Holloway
"Yup, we've got uniforms and everything, it's really great!" - Jake Taylor
Interesting
I wouldn’t have guessed that. Your thoughts come across as profoundly anti-relativist. For instance, your desire to be “right” about baseball dominates even your desire to be accepted by this community. Relativistically speaking, “rightness” depends on the cultural framework you choose to accept, and thus is not an absolute.
Saw that coming.
Cultural Relativism also is solely dependent on experiencing a specific culture according to that cultures perspective. What I am guilty of is nothing that yourself or anyone else who disagrees with me is guilty of and that is failing to accurately comprehend the other side of the story.
For example, back when we were going on about Crawford and Abreu as leadoff hitters. I failed accept the terms of yourself and others which dictated Abreu to be superior to Crawford. I thought it was a shortsighted and “unexperienced” point of view, just as others failed to recognize that these are things I was sure of through experience. You can call those experiences wrong but they were right to me.
I admit my guilt, but I’m not so guilty that I don’t realize that others share in this blame.
"You play for Cleveland? I didn't know they still had a team." - Claire Holloway
"Yup, we've got uniforms and everything, it's really great!" - Jake Taylor
So why persist?
I recognize that my arguments are meaningless to you. You work from a different set of assumptions. Even though we use the same words, we assign them different meanings. So while we may appear to exchange discourse, we’re really just talking past one another.
You, perhaps more than just about anyone else here, should realize that you can’t convince others of your “truths” unless you can argue for them in a language they will accept. Persistence is always met with resistance.
What’s happening in these threads is totally normal. That doesn’t make it a good thing; I can’t think of an armed conflict in human history that didn’t involve some element of incommensurability. But if everyone understand why it happens, disagreements might never reach such levels of acrimony.
Actually, I gave up on that.
I see a very stark difference between the work I do in academia and what I do here for pleasure. That’s a light switch. Now it’s just got to the point where if I’m right about Crawford being more suited for leadoff, or that Callaspo’s a better value than Beltre and that Kalish won’t do much next year, then I’ll be right and I’ll make sure everyone knows they were very wrong. If I’m wrong, well it wouldn’t be the first time, but like anyone who says these things, I’m not going to be wrong.
"You play for Cleveland? I didn't know they still had a team." - Claire Holloway
"Yup, we've got uniforms and everything, it's really great!" - Jake Taylor
So in other words, you don't take what you're learning very seriously
Fair enough. Most of my students are that way as well. At the end of the day, all they want from college is a piece of paper they can show to medical schools. I would personally find that very unsatisfying, but that’s their prerogative.
Just don’t expect anyone here is going to “know they were very wrong” based on what you say. At this point you could tell me the sky was blue and I wouldn’t believe you. You’d tell me to just accept your knowledge that it is blue instead of encourage me to go look outside for myself.
That's your opinion
I believe I take my other life (remember all you know is the HH version) very seriously. I’m not here to write college level analysis, I’m not going to reference everything, I wouldn’t take the time to. If the sky is blue, you can do the leg work and walk outside if you don’t wanna take my word for it.
Keep in mind you’re not the only teacher in this conversation. I know what it’s like to have students that don’t care and I can tell you this (though it doesn’t matter) I would have loved to have a student like myself. Yeah it’s egotistical, but I know what my bread and butter is.
Don’t make the mistake of assuming this is me through and through, just as I won’t make the mistake of thinking everyone here is identical to who they are on the street or in the classroom.
"You play for Cleveland? I didn't know they still had a team." - Claire Holloway
"Yup, we've got uniforms and everything, it's really great!" - Jake Taylor
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by 2pintsofbooze on Dec 1, 2010 12:40 PM PST up reply actions
But yes I will agree with you, it could be harder.
"You play for Cleveland? I didn't know they still had a team." - Claire Holloway
"Yup, we've got uniforms and everything, it's really great!" - Jake Taylor
The forgotten CSU
Not sure why CSULA missed out on the funding and students that went to Fullerton, Long Beach, and Northridge instead.
Two reasons for optimism for you
1) It’s still easier to get an entry-level journalism job with a J-school degree than without (trust me on this: I’m a college dropout).
2) Your military experience give you a level of knowledge of an important subject superior to 99.9% of working journalists. I realize you may not want to interface with that world anymore, but it’s a competitive advantage that may be of particular interest at the beginning.
Journalism is the best job every invented; good luck with it.
I love me some linky love, but the Angels and baseball are the topics!
I come here to get away from my day job…. But thanks.
I had to re-read your subject line
I thought it said “I love me some kinky love.”
"There's nothing that cleanses your soul like getting the hell kicked out of you." - Woody Hayes
by johnnyangel101 on Nov 30, 2010 10:58 AM PST up reply actions
Sorry to bring your work to HH, but it had to be done
If the Rev can pimp his art shows here, I think a humble FanShot of HH member-related news is relevant and of interest to the community from time to time.
Well written, and completely illogical.
By quoting the bible, using the word God and expressing his love in his country, Senator McCain was simply saying that he believes this country is worth the sacrifice of committed troops, he believes in God and has read a portion of the bible.
If Senator McCain was trying to say Homosexuals were 2nd class citizens, he probably should have said “Homosexuals are second-class citizens.” Alas he didn’t. He certainly didn’t at the Eulogy.
I’m not a Republican or Conservative, but you’re seriously reaching Matt. Wherever it is you pulled homosexual military service from in McCain’s speech more than likely was the result of your imagintation or interpretation and not McCain’s intention.
Silly. Very silly.
"You play for Cleveland? I didn't know they still had a team." - Claire Holloway
"Yup, we've got uniforms and everything, it's really great!" - Jake Taylor
I'm committed to getting into an argument with every idiot that's wrong!!!!!
Yeah not really, and you’re not an idiot. I just think you were reaching, but you are very good writer.
"You play for Cleveland? I didn't know they still had a team." - Claire Holloway
"Yup, we've got uniforms and everything, it's really great!" - Jake Taylor
I rarely do this, but you've brought me to this point...
You, Halowood, are an egotistical, know-it-all, blow-hard whose astronomical scale of your own self-worth is not only irritating, but is no longer entertaining. Now you’re arguing with a person who is the editor of a national political publication? About a subject he has written a book about?? I respect Matt’s desire not to get into it with you, but it would have been fun to see him completely blow you out of the water. However, as witnessed in other threads, I doubt you’d be able to see through your own “I’m right, you’re wrong” tinted glasses to be aware of the beatdown you received.
Your need to point out to everyone how they’re not as awesome as you are, and your need to comment on EVERY DAMN POST, shows me the only reason you come here is because you think you’re giving us the gift of your presence. You’re not. You’re taking the fun out of being a part of this community.
Don’t leave. Your contributions to this site is appreciated (most of the time), just please dial back your ego.
by WiHaloFan on Nov 30, 2010 9:00 AM PST up reply actions 6 recs
so that picture with the squirrel
real because that is the real issue
"Uhh yeah, GOLD might get you Jonas Brothers tickets. BLACK will have all three of them sucking your d***." Pat Anderson Assistant to the Assistant GM of Tampa
by DAD OF VLAD on Nov 30, 2010 10:52 PM PST up reply actions
Illogical or wrongly read
It seem your taking McCain’s quote from the Bible to be saying gays are second class citizens, while Matt was not using it to say any such thing. At this point in the article, before his famous about face on the subject he believed, “there isn’t — or at least there shouldn’t be — a second-class status for patriots and heroes who happen to be homosexual,”* but it’s clear within his don’t ask, don’t tell policies that gay people shouldn’t be allowed to voice who they are, they should just go along and act as if they weren’t gay. I’m just saying there is a juxtaposition happening within the article and I believe you’re misquoting him. Also, no politician would ever say “Homosexuals are second-class citizens” without it being veiled in syrupy language so they could recount it later if they had to to gain a seat in government. That straight talk-express doesn’t exist.
by stereoscopic on Nov 30, 2010 9:54 AM PST up reply actions
Question, isn't McCain's wife normally advocating for Gay-Rights?
"You play for Cleveland? I didn't know they still had a team." - Claire Holloway
"Yup, we've got uniforms and everything, it's really great!" - Jake Taylor
good for her
now if only someone she was close to who was in a position of power would sack up and do the same.
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by 2pintsofbooze on Nov 30, 2010 11:43 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
sure, but....
I’m talking about Matt’s well-written article, not McCain’s wife here. I was just saying you called him out on being illogical when it was a classic juxtaposition article, bringing up one side of things and then being refuted by another. The problem is it’s McCain himself that does both. I just don’t see how McCain’s wife plays into this when you were not arguing about him earlier, rather about the logical/illogical conclusions of a piece of journalism. I’m not trying to be a jerk, but I read this blog quite a bit and Matt’s contribution are always logical even if I don’t agree with the conclusion all the time. It’s one thing to say I disagree b/c x,y and z; and quite another to say he’s being illogical.
by stereoscopic on Nov 30, 2010 12:38 PM PST up reply actions
Look, all I'm saying is it seems like Matt was assuming (albeit correctly) that McCain was saying certain things without saying them.
Basing an entire article off of everything McCain didn’t say, but meant is Matt’s business. It’s well written and I’m continually impressed by the guy. But if Matt was granted an interview with John McCain and made these connections, McCain would have given him the political runaround, which is a lot of open ended statements ripe for interpretation, just like he did at this Eulogy. Now why does that matter? McCain can say certain things that imply other meanings, but not get in trouble for saying them. If McCain said everything Matt took from his statements, then he’d be burned at the stake.
"You play for Cleveland? I didn't know they still had a team." - Claire Holloway
"Yup, we've got uniforms and everything, it's really great!" - Jake Taylor
just saw this story, check it out Halowood
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by 2pintsofbooze on Nov 30, 2010 4:27 PM PST up reply actions
It all seems like a lose lose situation, especially for McCain.
Being in the Marine Corps, I can assure you, my unit would have had huge issues with this. There would have been harassment, blood spilled and a whole lotta drama, hate and discontent. We tended to talk less and do more, maybe it’s because almost my entire unit was from Texas, I don’t know. But what I do know, is that openly homosexual men would not have made it, not because they were physically incapable, but because their fellow Marines would have made sure of it.
Now since I’m done fighting in this war, I have no problem sending a gay man to do it if that’s what he really wants. It’s not fun and it sucks but that’s their business. McCain’s not wrong on this one, he’s right, however, he’s right for the wrong reasons. He might pretend it’s all about troop-morale but let’s be honest, he’s a conservative politician and follows those beliefs. I don’t think he’s a maverick as he claims to be. To be openly anti-Gay is political suicide today and McCain won’t come out of this unscathed.
"You play for Cleveland? I didn't know they still had a team." - Claire Holloway
"Yup, we've got uniforms and everything, it's really great!" - Jake Taylor
I'm not from Texas Rev, so Steers and Queers doesn't apply. Watch FMJ again.
But I like the reference, I give that quib a solid 7.
"You play for Cleveland? I didn't know they still had a team." - Claire Holloway
"Yup, we've got uniforms and everything, it's really great!" - Jake Taylor
the only three things I know about halowood
he argues with men
he reminisces about his days showering with men
he’s, uh, rigid.
by Rev Halofan on Nov 30, 2010 10:34 PM PST up reply actions
male bond should never end with just cuddling
"Uhh yeah, GOLD might get you Jonas Brothers tickets. BLACK will have all three of them sucking your d***." Pat Anderson Assistant to the Assistant GM of Tampa
by DAD OF VLAD on Nov 30, 2010 10:53 PM PST up reply actions
Tell me you've never showered in the same room as another man Rev
Either your school was super rich and could afford to offer every student his/her individual shower or you didn’t shower, which is just gross.
"You play for Cleveland? I didn't know they still had a team." - Claire Holloway
"Yup, we've got uniforms and everything, it's really great!" - Jake Taylor
did you really
just write this???
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by 2pintsofbooze on Nov 30, 2010 11:08 PM PST up reply actions
did you really just respond to it?
"You play for Cleveland? I didn't know they still had a team." - Claire Holloway
"Yup, we've got uniforms and everything, it's really great!" - Jake Taylor
this is not the first time
look closely at all the police blotters out there.
"Uhh yeah, GOLD might get you Jonas Brothers tickets. BLACK will have all three of them sucking your d***." Pat Anderson Assistant to the Assistant GM of Tampa
McCain is a RINO politician.
Whatever he said in his speach on Sept 22, 2001, was appropriate for the time, coming from whomever was speaking.
After two debasing political campaigns — first for the presidency in 2008, then to keep his Senate seat in Arizona this year — the “maverick” has made a series of crude reversals in the direction of social conservatism.
McCain is not a fool: He read the tea leaves left from the election results of 2008 and had to reposition himself dramatically, listening to the voices of his constituents and others around the country, in order to retain his Senate seat last month.
Any factor, no matter how minor or chimerical, that threatens the assertion of America’s superpower destiny immediately becomes Public Enemy No. 1 for the tempestuous senator. This has led him down some perhaps surprising paths.
That he loves our country, I have no doubt. However, I personally believe that his reversals have been absolute and total products of his fear of being fired by his constituents whom he was not representing in the first place..
Which way is the wind blowing?
Johnny Mac always knows.
by Rev Halofan on Nov 29, 2010 11:12 PM PST up reply actions
This was kind of inspiring
Sitting here in the newsroom reading about aspiring journalists always makes me feel good. Welch is right, a degree helps a lot. Especially now, with a lot of the mid-level veteran guys moving on to other jobs, smaller newspapers are forced to take a lot of new writers for jobs at the daily. If you don’t have a degree, you stand no chance, but with a degree you can actually start higher than you ever would have before.
PS – if you live in So Cal, the San Gabriel Valley Tribune has a couple positions open.
Don't get me wrong -- I don't *recommend* getting a degree
But if you have one in hand, it does help with entry-level early-career stuff.
Interesting
But I’m sure you’ll agree that experience and ability count a lot more. The university I attended didn’t even offer a journalism degree; however, our college newspaper was annually ranked as one of, if not the best, in the country. Many of my colleagues graduated into pretty good journalism careers simply because of their experience.
That describes my college precisely
Forget journalism degree, there wasn’t even a journalism class. Yet because our newspaper was so good, particularly then, we ignited a whole hell of a lot of interesting journalism careers during just my period then. Tony Pierce, Christopher Scheer, Steve Czaban, Stacey Sullivan, Ben Sullivan, Patrick Whalen/Thor Garcia, Laurence Iliff, Jason Ross, Dylan Callaghan, Don Frances, Laura Pitter, Melissa Lalum, Heesun Wee, Amy Langfield. Not household names, all, but all very good journalists, and I could have made that list twice as long.
halowood would argue that point
"Uhh yeah, GOLD might get you Jonas Brothers tickets. BLACK will have all three of them sucking your d***." Pat Anderson Assistant to the Assistant GM of Tampa
by DAD OF VLAD on Nov 30, 2010 10:55 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
Experience
always trumps education, imo. But if you are just starting out, having a degree sure helps. I know my editors look first at whether a person has a J-degree. If they have known, they then consider experience.
i am one year away from a Justice Degree
but it only took me 7 years.
Sad thing is that i forgot everything.
"Uhh yeah, GOLD might get you Jonas Brothers tickets. BLACK will have all three of them sucking your d***." Pat Anderson Assistant to the Assistant GM of Tampa
by DAD OF VLAD on Nov 30, 2010 10:54 PM PST up reply actions
Training for the future
"Uhh yeah, GOLD might get you Jonas Brothers tickets. BLACK will have all three of them sucking your d***." Pat Anderson Assistant to the Assistant GM of Tampa
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