Looking Up: Angels Sign Scott Downs
by Rev Halofan on Dec 10, 2010 3:24 PM PST
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PrintAs I type this, lefty relief pitcher Scott Downs is in Anaheim taking his physical to complete the signing of his three year contract with the Los Angeles Angels of Anaheim. He should be good to go on the Pirates of the Caribbean by 5 PM Pacific Time.
UPDATE: Eric Kay of the Angels Media Dept. confirms that Downs has passed his physical. He's an Angel.
As reported here on Halos Heaven by The Limey, the contract will pay him $5 million per year, but with a Games-Finished bonus he can make as much as $16 million on this deal. The chances that the Angels pursue closer Rafael Soriano are likely now extinguished. The news broke with Ken Rosenthal on twitter.
Scott Downs turns 35 on St. Patrick's Day (Robb Quinlan 's birthday as well). He put up a 0.995 WHIP and 2.69 ERA in 61+ IP in 2010 with Toronto.
Speculation: The Angels are loading up on bullpen veterans because the WInter metings revealed interest in their young bullpen arms and they will be trading young relief talent for a bat soon. Michael Kohn and 100-MPH-wonder-arm Jordan Walden might be the ticket to bringing in a haul.
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I like having another lefty in the bullpen
and the price is right. Is it a “Big Splash”? No, but it does improve our bullpen and maybe keeps Rodney on the bench. But still no offensive help, without a bat or 2 we are still the 2010 Angels who came in 3rd behind the As and Rangers.
Really? You are going to take yourself that seriously? Well I guess someone has to.
A healthy and productive Kendry Morales says hello did you forget about me ...?
Sure it’s no gurantee but you just have to believe that K-Mo back in the lineup will do wonders for the Angels in 2011.
by deejayelleseven on Dec 10, 2010 3:42 PM PST up reply actions
K-Mo can do wonders but we still have Mathis grabbing a bat and flailing away
Wonders K-Mo can do, but even he can’t offset Mr Premium.
Really? You are going to take yourself that seriously? Well I guess someone has to.
So do most NL teams. Though we should have Haren hit when he pitches.
Sometimes I wish Rex would be quiet
by gitchogritchoffmypetis on Dec 10, 2010 3:48 PM PST up reply actions
to bad we don't play in the NL
go long with extenze...i do
by angelsownredsux on Dec 10, 2010 10:45 PM PST up reply actions
Well we can only hope that Mathis stays healthy.
If I’m not mistaken wasn’t Mathis doing pretty decent up until he got hurt last season…?
Plus why does Mathis take almost all the blame.
Guys like Aybar and Kendrick weren’t doing all that well either.
by deejayelleseven on Dec 10, 2010 3:49 PM PST up reply actions
Because Aybar and Kendrick can at least hit their weight and are serviceable on the field.
Mathis is bad at baseball. Both sides of the ball, he’s not good, period, end of story. There is no statistical evidence to prove the contrary.
NOT MY QUINNY!!!!
by halofan4life on Dec 10, 2010 3:51 PM PST up reply actions
Yes, then he got well, then he was the worst player in baseball the rest of the season.
Peter Bourjos is faster than anyone on your team.
by 44FAN on Dec 10, 2010 3:54 PM PST up reply actions 4 recs
Honestly it's tough to say if he really did get well honestly.
Not every player comes back effective off an injury.
by deejayelleseven on Dec 10, 2010 3:58 PM PST up reply actions
ok then
Mathis has been injured his whole career except the ’09 ALCS and 2 weeks at the start of the 2010 season.
"If this was America, you'd have a radar gun, and right now it would read 101" - Kenny Powers
by 2pintsofbooze on Dec 10, 2010 4:52 PM PST up reply actions 5 recs
Honestly, that excuse doesn't honestly explain his entire career honestly.
And thanks for letting us know when you’re not lying.
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by snowhor on Dec 11, 2010 11:05 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
I guess I can't disagree.
I also don’t want Mathis to get injured. But if he did, well, sometimes bad things happen to good people for all the wrong reasons that i the end turn out to be the right reasons.
The Angels are ill-served by a front office that willfully disregards both modern and classic performance measurements when it comes to Jeff Mathis. Astonishing, and nearly unforgiveable.
by LittleCupcakes on Dec 10, 2010 3:56 PM PST up reply actions
Let's Take Another Look At Those Legendary Jeff Mathis Hot Hitting Streaks
2008: Jeff Mathis BA was .300 or better for 10 games;
2010: Jeff Mathis BA was .300 or better for 12 games;
Tiny sample size, GIANT extrapolation.
…and for a little more perspective:
2010: Kevin Frandsen was .300 or better for 37 games.
All I need are some tasty waves, a cool buzz, and I'm fine.
by Quad Fin Rider on Dec 11, 2010 12:13 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
Be patient
We have a lot of infielders and catchers and a Rivera to deal with still over the next two months. Offense will be added.
RIP Nick Adenhart
by ihearhowie2.0 on Dec 10, 2010 3:55 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Although I really hope you are right...
This reminds me of the old saw that if you lie enough times about something, pretty soon people will start to believe it.
A wise man does not need advice and a fool won't take it.
Benoit $
i am okay with it. At 38 he will be a little long in the tooth.
I think he should keep the mullet.
Reggie Willits: The non-tender candidate of my dreams.
As I recall, he wasn't that good with either the Clippers or the Lakers.
Oh, sorry… wrong Benoit
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This came out of nowehere
The bullpen is going to be loaded! I agree Rev, this seems like the precursor to a BIG move.
The media’s speculation that we were desperate for Crawford makes me think that we were never THAT enamored with him to begin with. Arte and co. always play their cards close to their chest. They always feint right and then turn to the left.
I took your stash.
Keep the mullet
Sign Beltre. Off-season done. Wins in 2011 ^.
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If we keep signing these good relievers we have nothing to worry about when Kazmir only goes
four or five innings, Weaver has a bad hair day, or nights where Santana can’t get his beard on straight. This must be good.
Peter Bourjos is faster than anyone on your team.
But we might still lose a lot of games 1-0
We still need offense, even if our pitching is going to be awesome.
Trust the Deception
by Rally Manatee on Dec 10, 2010 5:43 PM PST up reply actions
Offense Needs Improving
If the Angels are to be better in the off season, we have to shore
up our offense. This lack of offense has proven to be a huge
liability come the post season. What good is making the playoffs
if you get eliminated early? Still, it seems the only emphasis is on
pitching and more pitching while, the offense problem is not dealt
with! The offer for Crawford was lukewarm at best and we were
like miles away from getting him. I do hope we sign a couple of
good hitters and soon. Otherwise, there might not be enough
good hitters available when the Angels Front Office decides to
make their move. At that point, it would not matter because we
will not get a decent hitter to help the lineup.
It's an odd numbered year. Voodoo may be having issues.
Angels baseball. We do what we must, because we can -- HaloDutch
Walden was the first thing I thought of as well
Maybe we keep Walden, maybe we dont…but this feels like we just added a pricey piece to create a valuable, cheap trade chip
RIP Nick Adenhart
What about Berg or Geltz.
I’m thinking they’re as desirable.
They want power. We want respect...
by SenorChuckles on Dec 10, 2010 4:09 PM PST up reply actions
No trades man
we are going with the Majestic, if ever rare, 19 man bullpen.
I brought sexy back, but they only gave me store credit....
by PhiSlamma on Dec 10, 2010 3:43 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
And knowing Sosh
he could create scenarios where every game a pitcher would only pitch 4 to 5 innings, then bring in “X” for 2 innings, then “Y” for 1 inning, then split the next inning between “Z” and “XZ”, then bring in the closer.
Really? You are going to take yourself that seriously? Well I guess someone has to.
F -YEAH!!!!
Hey Red Sox lineup…. just try and guess who you’ll be hitting against next time up! Nah nah nah naaaah nah!
Sometimes I wish Rex would be quiet
by gitchogritchoffmypetis on Dec 10, 2010 3:51 PM PST up reply actions
If they only pitch 4 innings a game
our starters could go 0-0 on a season with 35 starts.
Trust the Deception
by Rally Manatee on Dec 10, 2010 5:45 PM PST up reply actions
Fine with me for most anyone but the Weave.
Weave needs to get his 20 wins to win the Cy Young (the only way to do so, apparently).
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by matthiasstephan on Dec 11, 2010 11:45 AM PST up reply actions
One year is not enough to convince me.
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by matthiasstephan on Dec 12, 2010 11:30 AM PST up reply actions
hey guys... can u give me some insight...
Is this a good signing??!!
by wheres_bourjos_at on Dec 10, 2010 3:44 PM PST via mobile reply actions
Damn if we like it thats not good we liked the Kazmir deal.
Oh noes!!! Take it back. We hate the deal… we hate the deal
by deejayelleseven on Dec 10, 2010 3:46 PM PST up reply actions
My time to brag.
I hated that deal. Because Scott Kazmir was never that good.
WTY's ERA+ = 135 I WIN!!!!!
by Figgi4life on Dec 10, 2010 6:30 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Seems good.
5M is about three Mathises.
The Angels are ill-served by a front office that willfully disregards both modern and classic performance measurements when it comes to Jeff Mathis. Astonishing, and nearly unforgiveable.
by LittleCupcakes on Dec 10, 2010 3:46 PM PST up reply actions
I think all further offseason additions
Should be converted to Mathises. That way we know just how much Premium we’re getting
by Bolt Deck on Dec 10, 2010 4:15 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
Is that scale arithetic, multiplicative or logarithmic in nature?
Or is the conversion chart flexible enough to cover all possibilities?
(I love stirring the pot!)
by Angelsfan015 on Dec 14, 2010 12:30 AM PST up reply actions
Also our draft pick next yr... i saw its protected
What overall slot is it?!! :D
by wheres_bourjos_at on Dec 10, 2010 3:47 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
18th I think
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by Commander_Nate on Dec 10, 2010 3:50 PM PST up reply actions
Especially if its a precursor to a bigger move
Which its not, because it never is, however we needed good lefties, now we have two.
Think of Scott Downs as a Scot Shields when he was effective. Very awesome setup guy, under the radar.
I brought sexy back, but they only gave me store credit....
Nice
Thx guys! Intresting how things will play out from here on
by wheres_bourjos_at on Dec 10, 2010 3:50 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
cautiously optimistic its good
we liked speier at the time as well
RIP Nick Adenhart
by ihearhowie2.0 on Dec 10, 2010 3:56 PM PST up reply actions
My thoughts exactly.
Maybe Soriano is still an option?
They want power. We want respect...
by SenorChuckles on Dec 10, 2010 4:11 PM PST up reply actions
I would love for Soriano to be in play.
I would certainly take him over Rodney. Let Rodney have the 7th, then there is time to clean up after him.
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by matthiasstephan on Dec 11, 2010 11:45 AM PST up reply actions
184 ERA+ the last four years
That’s pretty damned good. Better than the 139 put up pre-signing by another Toronto reliever we shelled out good money to. Hope he doesn’t turn into a pumpkin. And I’m glad we’ve got some lefties to at least limit the massacres in Fenway.
I love this signing.
I really, really like Downs — and it shows they wised up a bit on reliever value.
This was the FO that signed Fuentes to two years and 18M two years ago. They got a far better pitcher at half the cost annualized.
agreed... The money seems on target and so do the years. If only they had learned before paying so much for Rodney
How come when players go to Texas they revitalize their careers? could it be the roids?
by Sinatrasratpack on Dec 10, 2010 10:42 PM PST up reply actions
Definitely trading some young arms
They always rave about their young power arms, then sign guys to replace them? This is a great deal, but it only makes sense if they are going to trade some guys for a bat. Personally, I think Grady Sizemore is a great target for us if he’s back to full health. He should come at a discount and when he’s on his A game, he’s one of the best….perfect for Scioscia’s style.
"Baseball Is Life, Life Is Baseball!" -Tim Salmon
Grady Sizemore.
I can dig it sorta but im worried he would be like Steve Finley 2.0.
by deejayelleseven on Dec 10, 2010 3:50 PM PST up reply actions
He needs to prove
that he’s not going to snap like a GI Joe action figure with an old crusty rubber band holding him together. Then good, he’s a pro hitter, and if his eye/swing/contact ability haven’t erroded, then cool.
Sometimes I wish Rex would be quiet
by gitchogritchoffmypetis on Dec 10, 2010 3:55 PM PST up reply actions
I think he had one injury that just took 2 years away
I agree when he’s healthy hes an amazing 3 hitter
RIP Nick Adenhart
by ihearhowie2.0 on Dec 10, 2010 3:58 PM PST up reply actions
C-los Quentin.
They want power. We want respect...
by SenorChuckles on Dec 10, 2010 4:12 PM PST up reply actions
Josh Willingham por favor
He has high OBP and will come, hopefully, a bit cheaper than the other options.
"Just another Halo victory" - Rory Markas
That's a nice thought
but I fear it won’t happen. I think the rest of baseball will find our cheap young arms much more attractive. I personally would be fine with just releasing Rodney. He’s detrimental.
Trust the Deception
by Rally Manatee on Dec 10, 2010 5:53 PM PST up reply actions
his beard is weird
"If he raced his pregnant wife he'd finish third"
Tommy Lasorda on catcher Mike Scioscia
by sheisalovelyladyandmyapologiestoher on Dec 10, 2010 5:57 PM PST up reply actions
At least his stache isn't trash.
If I stay within my mechanics, I can turn the corner and build upon this success.
by The_Question on Dec 10, 2010 9:58 PM PST up reply actions
Straight outta Samana. DR
"If he raced his pregnant wife he'd finish third"
Tommy Lasorda on catcher Mike Scioscia
by sheisalovelyladyandmyapologiestoher on Dec 10, 2010 10:31 PM PST up reply actions
I'm excited about the player acquisition.
Not so much the contract though. We overpay yet again for another reliever.
But at least he is better than Speier, Fuentes, and Rodney…
"F it, let's pitch." - Ervin Santana
by Chzburger Jones on Dec 10, 2010 3:50 PM PST reply actions
I really don't think we over payed this time. I don't think 3.2 is to much for him.
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by TheAngelsColts on Dec 11, 2010 12:38 AM PST up reply actions
preparing to meet Boston in the postseason?
they sign 2 lefty batters, we sign 2 lefty RP.
your move Epstein
sarc
"If this was America, you'd have a radar gun, and right now it would read 101" - Kenny Powers
WAITA MINUTE I CANNOT READ LOLOLOL
drinks more
I brought sexy back, but they only gave me store credit....
Honestly, just sign Beltre now
Our bullpen is going to knock people out next year and so will our rotation. The addition of Beltre and re-addition of Kendry will provide more than enough power the make our offense reliable.
Most importantly, we would have average-to-great defense at every position except C and whichever OF corner Rivera/Abreu share.
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No.
Not beltre. No.
WTY's ERA+ = 135 I WIN!!!!!
by Figgi4life on Dec 10, 2010 6:31 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Will be K'd by this mulleted Canadian pirate we just signed.
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by Commander_Nate on Dec 10, 2010 3:54 PM PST up reply actions
This is excellent.
It reaches my personal limit on reliever cost ($5M per annum, and three years), but this is exactly what I was hoping for on the reliever side:
Downs and/or Takahashi. We got both!
Much, much better than Soriano.
What if we Sign Soriano
then trade for Krod?
F Starters, lets have everyone pitch one inning.
I brought sexy back, but they only gave me store credit....
by PhiSlamma on Dec 10, 2010 3:56 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
You mean the Skeletor Playoff Maneuver, but for an entire season?
I like it!
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by Commander_Nate on Dec 10, 2010 3:58 PM PST up reply actions
Skeletor you know you groove and shake it so damn good.
And when you come on through my hood Ill give you a piece of wood.
I brought sexy back, but they only gave me store credit....
Bring back the pinstripes
NOT MY QUINNY!!!!
by halofan4life on Dec 10, 2010 3:59 PM PST up reply actions
Is your heartbreaking daughter available
:D
"Don't turn the channel, ... no matter what the score is." -David Eckstein
by princeton11loveshalos on Dec 10, 2010 11:55 PM PST up reply actions
Yes, and so's the married one... soon.
The heartbreaker is in Spain right now, won’t be back in the US until sometime in May, maybe. They keep extending the show schedule, have added several stops in Ireland and the UK. The tour was originally supposed to end in March with a show in Paris.
THIS… IS… ANAHEIM!!
Mine's in Amsterdam, soon to be in Spain.
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She's a dancer/performer in a Disney Live show
and we like telling people she ran off and joined the circus. The family that owns the Ringling Brothers, Barnum and Bailey circus operates the Disney Live shows as well as Disney On Ice.
THIS… IS… ANAHEIM!!
And they shouldn't trade Kohn or Walden.
Rodney or Jepsen, yes — but it’s pointless to upgrade the bullpen just to kick the cheapest and most promising out days later.
The BP is a source of strength now. When Scioscia let the young guys take the reins in the second half of the year, our BP ERA looked very snazzy.
Rodney and Jepsen dont have the value the other two do
That’s sort of the whole point.
Walden’s value in particular may never be higher than it is right now. If he’s the difference between us landing an impact offensive piece…are we supposed to say no so we can keep him around and possibly watch his arm fall off again? Or more simply just have the league catch up?
I like the guy but this would be a rare “sell high” move that we never had the balls to do with Wood or Kendrick
RIP Nick Adenhart
by ihearhowie2.0 on Dec 10, 2010 4:01 PM PST up reply actions
Of course they don't have the value.
They also don’t have the talent.
The point is — our BP sucked through much of last year. Don’t trade away what works, or else we’re in the same position we were before we acquired Downs and Takahashi.
No, we won’t get as much out of a Rodney trade, for instance. But we will be taking a highly inconsistent tool out of Scioscia’s hand — and he’ll forced to use better players.
Addition by subtraction.
I agree it would be better to trade Rodney and Jepsen but
not only are they suckier, they also cost more. Well, maybe not Jepsen YET, but he’s closer to costing more than Kohn and Walden. So, who in their right mind is going to pay more for worse pitchers?
Trust the Deception
by Rally Manatee on Dec 10, 2010 5:57 PM PST up reply actions
paging Uncle Ned!
"If he raced his pregnant wife he'd finish third"
Tommy Lasorda on catcher Mike Scioscia
by sheisalovelyladyandmyapologiestoher on Dec 10, 2010 5:58 PM PST up reply actions
Jepson , Rivera , and Wood + ptbnl
= Soria. (Dont laugh, its the Royals.)
by Wally's World on Dec 10, 2010 9:20 PM PST up reply actions
Can't we just name Mathis now?
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by matthiasstephan on Dec 11, 2010 11:47 AM PST up reply actions
Here.... I'll start.
Kohn, Mathis, Wood, Willits, Palmer, Jeremy Moore, Robb Q (The Phills will allow it),Mark Trumbo and the contents of Brad Fullmer’s wall safe to the Pirates for Q McCracken.
We get a new Q.
Sometimes I wish Rex would be quiet
by gitchogritchoffmypetis on Dec 10, 2010 4:00 PM PST reply actions
I meant
Andrew McCutchen. God…. it’s Friggin Friday….
Sometimes I wish Rex would be quiet
by gitchogritchoffmypetis on Dec 10, 2010 4:03 PM PST up reply actions
Get worn out enough....
… Fall into a hot tub powered by Russian atomic waste fueled energy drink, wake up watching the late 90s Rockies.
Sometimes I wish Rex would be quiet
by gitchogritchoffmypetis on Dec 10, 2010 4:07 PM PST up reply actions
The Angels ship is listing badly to one side (bullpen).
I sense a imminent capsizing if the team doesn’t soon get some bats to balance the hull.
A wise man does not need advice and a fool won't take it.
This is obivously a precursor to moving Haren to the DH spot.
I brought sexy back, but they only gave me store credit....
by PhiSlamma on Dec 10, 2010 4:02 PM PST reply actions 3 recs
He can DH for Mathis during his turn in the rotation
Dan Haren actually has the higher career AVG of the two.
by Suboptimal on Dec 10, 2010 5:28 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Seriously, can't we DH for Mathis if the pitchers hit?
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by matthiasstephan on Dec 11, 2010 11:48 AM PST up reply actions
That's not DHing anymore
It’s NL ball.
by lightupthehalo29 on Dec 11, 2010 4:54 PM PST up reply actions
Yes, true, but preferable to having Mathis bat (besides, we would still be substituting).
Haren can hit. I think Weave can too, frankly.
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by matthiasstephan on Dec 12, 2010 11:30 AM PST up reply actions
Maybe Big Splash means Prince Fielder...?
by deejayelleseven on Dec 10, 2010 4:07 PM PST reply actions
He'll play where? center field?
Sometimes I wish Rex would be quiet
by gitchogritchoffmypetis on Dec 10, 2010 4:09 PM PST up reply actions
Goodbye
Chatwood and Reckling :(
They want power. We want respect...
by SenorChuckles on Dec 10, 2010 4:17 PM PST up reply actions
Please no.
Can you say “Mo Vaughn”?
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Hmmmm.... I wonder
if this move is additional protection for Kazmir. I responded in an earlier post that Takahashi will end up being our 5th starter by mid-season and I truly believe it. I hope I am wrong and Kazmir bounces back for a good season, but the chances of that are minimal.
This signing protects our pen by keeping a left available if Takahashi moves in the rotation. If he doesn’t we will be loaded.
I like the idea of moving an inexpensive reliever and Rivera to pick up an OF/DH bat. I wonder if a package of Walden, Rivera and a prospect could land any of the following players:
- Shin Soo Choo
- Andrew McCutchen
- BJ Upton
Or… maybe we put a better package together and go after Matt Kemp? The Dodgers were not exactly happy with him last year, even though he is a 30/30 guy for years to come. I am not sure we could make it happen, but I would love to have him.
Light up the Freakin Halo!
Lets dip things in reality do you really think a team would be that dumb to accept those deals...?
by deejayelleseven on Dec 10, 2010 4:12 PM PST up reply actions
No kidding...
"Jeff Mathis is like Robb Quinlan without the sex appeal" - Sheisalovelyladyandmyapologiestoher
I think it depends on the prospect
All of those teams are trying to build with young talent. Walden could be a closer for those teams in the very near future, Rivera is an inexpensive power bat who could return to 25+ HR.
Look at the Uggla deal! It’s possible.
Light up the Freakin Halo!
Rivera hitting 25 jacks
Does not forgive atrocious defense and never getting on base.
"Jeff Mathis is like Robb Quinlan without the sex appeal" - Sheisalovelyladyandmyapologiestoher
It does proved positive WAR value, though
So…
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by Commander_Nate on Dec 10, 2010 4:31 PM PST up reply actions
.3 War is not worth 5.25 Million
"Jeff Mathis is like Robb Quinlan without the sex appeal" - Sheisalovelyladyandmyapologiestoher
No, but 1.7 (2009) or 2.3 (2006) is
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by Commander_Nate on Dec 10, 2010 4:38 PM PST up reply actions
Uggla deal doesn't count.
It was with the Marlins.
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Sin Soo Choo will not wear another uniform until he hits FA
Or somebody hands most of their AA team to the Indians.
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by Commander_Nate on Dec 10, 2010 4:32 PM PST up reply actions
I laughed out loud when I read SSC as a potential trade dude
I brought sexy back, but they only gave me store credit....
He was good for a half a year.
He went to shit in the 2nd half of 2007.
"F it, let's pitch." - Ervin Santana
by Chzburger Jones on Dec 10, 2010 5:45 PM PST up reply actions
it must be the cause of the angels minor league woes
Hit speier, mcpherson, kotchman, wood,
by Balls and Strikes on Dec 13, 2010 12:07 AM PST up reply actions
My bullpen axiom is: Don't pay more than 10% of payroll on your bullpen...
…and keep a steady queue of cheap BP farm arms in the upper minors.
Following that rule, it means the Angels can spend about 12-13M on the pen. They’ve spent 9M on Downs and Takahashi. If they trade Rodney for some marginal prospect, we can stay within the contours of that principle.
I’d be excited entering the season with those two lefties and a young nucleus of Thompson, Kohn, Walden and the fringy long relievers like Bell and Palmer for mop up. Then you got Geltz and Berg waiting in AAA.
It’s solid depth at the right price.
I agree with the premise but you might have to up your % a bit
In the days where relievers are so widely used and relied on I think maybe keeping it around 12-14% is more accurate. Giving us what 15-16 mill on bullpen
How come when players go to Texas they revitalize their careers? could it be the roids?
by Sinatrasratpack on Dec 10, 2010 10:47 PM PST up reply actions
I think the Angels will sign Beltre. The offered Crawford 18 million a year. The already spent 9 million on 2 lefty relief pitchers. They offer Beltre 10 million a season.
Johnramo?
go long with extenze...i do
by angelsownredsux on Dec 10, 2010 11:06 PM PST up reply actions
we had an annoying poster by the name of
JOHNSAMO and his banning back in 2006 was an epic in hilarity.
by Rev Halofan on Dec 11, 2010 12:46 AM PST up reply actions
Jim Thome and Adrian Beltre here we come!!!!!(maybe) lol
by deejayelleseven on Dec 10, 2010 4:16 PM PST reply actions
Actually thats exactly what I was thinking.
Or Vlad. then the lineup is somewhat ok.
I brought sexy back, but they only gave me store credit....
I am actually down with the return of Vlad.
Don't call me Bugs. Although Bugs Bunny could do it all on the baseball field.
by highlandhalo on Dec 10, 2010 4:20 PM PST up reply actions
Do you guys think
that if we have Abrooo in LF, Beltre @ third, Thome as primary DH, play Napolli more, and have K Moe @ first that shot of offense will outweigh bad D at the dish and LF? And will that power outweigh that we’re clogging the bases?
some order made up of
Abrooo LF
Hunter RF
K MOE 1B
Beltre 3B
Thome DH
Kendrick 2B
Napolli C
Aybar SS
Bourjous CF
If Aybar, and Bourjous, Kendrick improve at all, and Naps actually gets time this will be a slow, double play, LOB heavy line up…. but I’d be afraid to hang a breaking ball to any of em. And our pitching’s gona be really good.
Thome’s attitude rules… he’d be great for that too.
Sometimes I wish Rex would be quiet
by gitchogritchoffmypetis on Dec 10, 2010 4:52 PM PST up reply actions
That would make me warm inside
Trust the Deception
by Rally Manatee on Dec 10, 2010 6:02 PM PST up reply actions
No. He won't hit outside of Texas.
Atch the playoffs much? He’s done.
RIP Nick...
Jim Scully
Jim Scully Home
Me too.
Let him retire an Angel, make him a lock to go in the Hall as an Angel, too.
Light up that halo! RIP, Nick.
I could be down with that. Vlad or Thome.
Now that both are willing to take one year and DH only. We probably will only get two-thirds of a season from either of them, but Thome in particular can still really get on base.
It means another year of Bobby in leftfield, but having Bourjos in center helps a lot.
I couldn't tolerate another year of Suckbroo in LF
Granting that my toleration isn’t high on the Angels’ thinks-to-give-a-shit-about list.
I would prefer Thome due to his OBP skills.
"F it, let's pitch." - Ervin Santana
by Chzburger Jones on Dec 10, 2010 5:56 PM PST up reply actions
This is great. We have the best pitching staff in all of baseball now
And nobody who can hit a baseball. Last time I checked pitching and hitting were both important parts of the game. … And, Jered Weaver is gonna have to find away Downs and work out a way to get rid of that mulllet.
Don't call me Bugs. Although Bugs Bunny could do it all on the baseball field.
Oh man, if Scott's mullet becomes a thing for the pitching staff
We would have to call it the “Downs Syndrome”
I brought sexy back, but they only gave me store credit....
by PhiSlamma on Dec 10, 2010 4:21 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
Weaver could just say ... hey I got rid of my mullet
and now I’m one of the best pitchers in baseball!
Don't call me Bugs. Although Bugs Bunny could do it all on the baseball field.
by highlandhalo on Dec 10, 2010 4:23 PM PST up reply actions
Not funny at all
there are some places you don’t go man
"Some people think they should go to heaven but NOT have to die to get there.
Sorry, but that’s simply not how it works."
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Call me what you will
I laughed
Trust the Deception
by Rally Manatee on Dec 10, 2010 6:05 PM PST up reply actions
yeah
like to a special ed class and make that joke.
It’s not even offensive, it’s just a recognizable name for a thing. He didn’t say, “They’d all be stupid enough to wear the mullet, they’d have downs syndrome.” That’s offensive.
lighten up!
by lightupthehalo29 on Dec 11, 2010 1:55 AM PST up reply actions
It just occurred to me that the 3/$15MM deal is lamented by some here at HH
as being too much money.
I’m sure the Angels would have prefered 2/$7MM plus an option for the pitcher which they surely need, but there are probably other pursuers jocking for position by bumping up the price.
Alas, the Angels offered more years and money than anyone else was willing to offer.
Sound familiar?
Overpaying for relievers? Thats fine
Overpaying for people who hold bats? NO FUCKING WAY OMFG WHAT ARE YOU THINKING SO MUCH MONEY OMG FUTURE FUTURE FUTURE, NOT WORTH IT, LOOK AT HIS WAR, JESUS CHRIST SO MUCH MUNNIEZ, MOVING FORWARD
I brought sexy back, but they only gave me store credit....
by PhiSlamma on Dec 10, 2010 4:25 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
When the overpay is a few mil
its a big difference compared to overpaying by 20 million.
LAST SEASON, I led this team in ninth-inning doubles in the month of August!
Its all relative
And we relatively have a shitty offense compared to everyone else.
I brought sexy back, but they only gave me store credit....
Trust the process.
Sometimes I wish Rex would be quiet
by gitchogritchoffmypetis on Dec 10, 2010 4:54 PM PST up reply actions
Trust the deception
Trust the Deception
by Rally Manatee on Dec 10, 2010 6:06 PM PST up reply actions
According to Dan Woike of OCR
Reagins said we are done adding bullpen help
http://twitter.com/OCR_DanWoike/status/13388560279273472
"Jeff Mathis is like Robb Quinlan without the sex appeal" - Sheisalovelyladyandmyapologiestoher
Out Californy way.
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by Commander_Nate on Dec 10, 2010 4:33 PM PST up reply actions
Good shit.
All they need to do, now, is sign Beltre—then, trade for Quentin.
They want power. We want respect...
by SenorChuckles on Dec 10, 2010 4:36 PM PST up reply actions
He also said they weren't too concerned about the bullpen a couple of days ago
The Angels might still do well to pick up a marginal reliever, then unload some of Rodney’s paycheck on a sucker easily impressed by fastball velocity.
No Duh lol. Already got a ton.
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by TheAngelsColts on Dec 11, 2010 12:47 AM PST up reply actions
At Bluebird Banter Downs nickname is Snakeface.
I can sort of see that from the picture above.
Peter Bourjos is faster than anyone on your team.
F that, he needs a new nickname
I vote for Syndrome.
(in b4 shit storm of PC people)
I brought sexy back, but they only gave me store credit....
Seconded
Scioscialist Party of America - Redistributing your defense since 2000.
by Commander_Nate on Dec 10, 2010 4:33 PM PST up reply actions
Did he discover the disease?
And does the syndrome have anything to do with a penchant for getting paid too much to throw balls while your hats on wrong?
Sometimes I wish Rex would be quiet
by gitchogritchoffmypetis on Dec 10, 2010 4:57 PM PST up reply actions
I think Syndrome is a good name
However, referring to him as “Down’s Syndrome” (which was not suggested, but where the nickname arose from) is probably never cool.
but Scott syndrome doesn't sound as good
go long with extenze...i do
by angelsownredsux on Dec 10, 2010 11:16 PM PST up reply actions
HE HAS A SNAKE TATTOO ON HIS FACE!
Another player on the Blue Jays suggested he get it to look more intimidating on the mound so he got a tattoo of a snake on his face.
Peter Bourjos is faster than anyone on your team.
Maybe a trade is brewing for Wright
We could package Walden and 2-3 minor leaguers
If you didn't know by now, my screen name is sarcastic
or sign Lee and trade Ervin
If you didn't know by now, my screen name is sarcastic
by mathisrocks5 on Dec 10, 2010 4:31 PM PST up reply actions
For 3 years we would be so fucking good.
The Angels probably offered some pantywaste contract offer and are being laughed at as we speak.
I brought sexy back, but they only gave me store credit....
Because Bobbleface has trade value
Nibbletits does not.
I brought sexy back, but they only gave me store credit....
by PhiSlamma on Dec 10, 2010 4:36 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Usher! That's who he is!
Retire #5....BD!!!
by bobbinhead25 on Dec 10, 2010 5:24 PM PST up reply actions
Was there a penalty or something?
And when did football go metric? I thought it was first down and 10 yd?
Angels baseball. We do what we must, because we can -- HaloDutch
False start on
the entire FA. Carl Crawford drew them, the bastard.
by lightupthehalo29 on Dec 11, 2010 1:58 AM PST up reply actions
Delay of game on the Angels... gain of down, loss of Crawford...
also, personal foul, roughing the GM on the Angels’ fans. Repeat miserable 2010 as penance. trAdition FTW!
I love this team.
by Downing Rules on Dec 13, 2010 3:32 PM PST up reply actions
OK OK OK
Please. Can we stop with the “if we trade Rodney” talk. If I hook up with a super model, I will be happy, if I were a male model I’d have nicer clothes, if I lose 90lbs in the next 3 months it may all happen before the baseball season… and TR may find a team willing to take Rodney. He’s expensive and he sucks. We know it, so do blog weenies on Orioles sites. Stop with the whole “now all we have too…. my recommendation is…. rah dah Rodney.” we’re stuck with him. It’s getting as annoying as the musings about who we can get in a package with Wood and Mathis involved…. which is plenty, if the third name in the deal’s Trout.
Sometimes I wish Rex would be quiet
by gitchogritchoffmypetis on Dec 10, 2010 5:06 PM PST reply actions
Rodney gets "no respect."
I love this team.
by Downing Rules on Dec 13, 2010 3:32 PM PST up reply actions
He's a "danger on the field."
sorry, man; it wasn’t punny was it?
I love this team.
by Downing Rules on Dec 13, 2010 3:33 PM PST up reply actions
Somewhere, somehow, there just has to be a "Ladybug"s joke in there.
Sorry, ’bug!
I think the next person who thinks TR will find someone stupid enough to take Rodney will have to be sent “Back To School”
Angels baseball. We do what we must, because we can -- HaloDutch
And if I had some ham, I could have ham and eegs....
If I had some eggs!
by Angelsfan015 on Dec 14, 2010 12:32 AM PST up reply actions
But the eggs would have to be green!
Would you eat them in the Goat (Hill Tavern)?
Angels baseball. We do what we must, because we can -- HaloDutch
Hmmm
It’s starting to sound like Carlos Quentin might be a fit with our excess relievers.
I like him
He’s got the most menacing stance in baseball.
Trust the Deception
by Rally Manatee on Dec 10, 2010 6:09 PM PST up reply actions
i mean
kendry, carlos, adrian, and hunter makes a pretty good core. now if kendrick and aybar gets on their games and bobby comes back strong.. we can get back on track in the runs department.
Pixie dust. Don't forget the magic pixie dust.
"If he raced his pregnant wife he'd finish third"
Tommy Lasorda on catcher Mike Scioscia
by sheisalovelyladyandmyapologiestoher on Dec 10, 2010 10:27 PM PST up reply actions
This site would crash every time he flies out to center.
But I’d still love those jokes.
Light up that halo! RIP, Nick.
by Clutch on Dec 10, 2010 6:48 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Jose Bautista please
You've seen me on your tv
by Jesse78 on Dec 10, 2010 5:25 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
gotta like contracts with lots of performance incentives.
this would be ideal with beltre too, if unlikely
Nice!
Reagins actually found a judicious use for the protected pick. Most other teams with money also had winning seasons last year, so they wouldn’t be bidding vigorously for a Type A reliever like Downs. This is a good price for a lefty with his resume.
Meh
$23m a year tied up in the bullpen…..this makes about as much sense as anything else Reagins has done of late.
"My advice to you is to start drinking heavily"
Angels baseball. We do what we must, because we can -- HaloDutch
I was kidding I doubt jays would send us their big fish. How about one of the Tigers young outfielders?
You've seen me on your tv
reply fail
Red Sux fan…
"Jeff Mathis is like Robb Quinlan without the sex appeal" - Sheisalovelyladyandmyapologiestoher
by ryanfea on Dec 10, 2010 6:00 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Quentin is on the block
Jepsen and Rivera, no cash swap, straight up.
Ozzie’s looking for bullpen help, according to Rotoworld…
www.appealtoemulsion.com
no dice
Sox would be downgrading outfielders.
"If he raced his pregnant wife he'd finish third"
Tommy Lasorda on catcher Mike Scioscia
by sheisalovelyladyandmyapologiestoher on Dec 10, 2010 6:00 PM PST up reply actions
Quentin is just what this team needs...NOT
“Unfortunately, third base wasn’t the only defensive nightmare for the White Sox. At first base Paul Konerko rated dead last at minus-17 runs saved, as did Carlos Quentin with minus-19 runs saved in right field. "
He had injury issues over the past couple of seasons and experienced a moderate decrease in offensive performance. The guy looks like a DH in waiting…..
Maybe we can land that stud Rob Quinlan.
He can play almost every position and will bat anywhere in the lineup.
by LAstands4LovingAnaheim on Dec 10, 2010 6:10 PM PST reply actions 2 recs
any way to get hanley ramirez?
Just heard terry mention it.
by SCHalo on Dec 10, 2010 6:11 PM PST via mobile reply actions
LOL
WTY's ERA+ = 135 I WIN!!!!!
by Figgi4life on Dec 10, 2010 6:36 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
hell no...
Id love it, BUT he’s a stud in florida and just signed a nice extension. They love him there. I think without Trout it’d be impossible..
by C.A._Rep_Los_ANGELS on Dec 10, 2010 6:13 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Terry needs to get off that
it ain’t happening
"If this was America, you'd have a radar gun, and right now it would read 101" - Kenny Powers
by 2pintsofbooze on Dec 10, 2010 8:55 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
ok I would really love it if we threw a package together for
RYAN BRAUN!.. BOOM! That just happened..
Nobody mentions him. He’s from Cali, he’s an all star, he has lots of pop, speed, and is very athletic. And way cheaper then Crawford.
That’d be Super Ninja if TR got him..
by C.A._Rep_Los_ANGELS on Dec 10, 2010 6:12 PM PST via mobile reply actions
Would it be "Super Ninja" if Trout was traded for him?
There’s no way we get Braun by trading our “table scraps”….
honestly, yes.
but braun is also probably my favorite baseball player. Average, Patience, Defense (has gotten better every year he’s played), Power, Speed.
He would be perfect for our team. i would trade trout for him in a heartbeat.
"I have one word for you...Be careful."
-Jose Guillen
trading Trout for Braun
Would kill the “NinjaNess” of the trade. Because that’d be the easy route to go.
But like somebody said earlier, a prospect isn’t shit till they prove their worth in the majors..
If we traded for Braun, signed him long term then it could be a very smart move if Trout fizzles out..
Just a suggestion, a smart one I thought.
by C.A._Rep_Los_ANGELS on Dec 10, 2010 6:41 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Braun isn't an OBP black hole
but he isn’t a model of patience either. His walk rate is pretty average, not that there is anything wrong with that given his BA and power.
Also he hasn’t gotten better every year. His SLG has gone down by a small amount every season. Not that this is an alarming trend but you can’t really say he has been getting better if his stats are going down a little.
I would love Braun in this lineup but I don’t think he is worth giving out Trout for.
"F it, let's pitch." - Ervin Santana
by Chzburger Jones on Dec 10, 2010 8:04 PM PST up reply actions
his defense has gotten better every year. my main point.
"I have one word for you...Be careful."
-Jose Guillen
Outlandish trade speculations welcome!
Well, once again, no one saw this coming. So, please don’t mock anyone’s ridiculous ideas because none of us have any idea what Reagins is up to.
Trust the Deception
lol just trying to spice it up a little.
Sure they’re crazy trade wishes but who cares? That’s what we waited for the of season for right? To speculate and see what actually happens….
The offseason is where we can all lay out our dream trades lol.. face it though, if its not by trade then by free agency Braun will leave the Brewers when he get the chance.
by C.A._Rep_Los_ANGELS on Dec 10, 2010 6:45 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Trades?
My wish list would consist of:
Chin Soo Choo – Rumors are out there that the he (Scott Boras) is not happy that the Indians will not give him a multi year deal while still eligible for arbitration.
David Wright – His name has been floated about as well and his numbers last year were great.
Carlos Beltran – Again I think the Mets would be willing to part with him for a package that did not contain Trout
Michael Young – the Rangers would never send him to Anaheim but he would be a nice fit at third
One of the Upton brothers – A change of scenery might do one of them good.
All of these names are a possibility (albeit a faint one) but a possibility. The key as always will be what will we have to give up? Everyone knows that we are desperate so we would have to pay a kings ransom for anyone.
Choo
Scott Boras isn’t a GM. If he’s really unhappy about a situation he’s in and can’t manipulate his way out of it, then I’d like to see it continue so I can smile for as long as possible.
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by Commander_Nate on Dec 10, 2010 8:29 PM PST up reply actions
Even if the Rangers would actually trade Young to us, I wouldn't want him.
He is one of the most overrated players in this decade.
His defense is Jeterian…….people think it’s good just because of his reputation but it’s not really that good at all.
And his career OPS is a respectable but not elite .795…..and that’s given he’s literally played half of his career games in the Arlington launch pad. His career road OPS is a paltry .733.
Think about it. There is a reason why Texas has shown interest in Beltre and dangled Young’s name on the trade market.
"F it, let's pitch." - Ervin Santana
by Chzburger Jones on Dec 10, 2010 9:25 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Beltre's career road OPS is 100 POINTS HIGHER
.837. But I’m sure there are plenty of people who think Young is a better player. It boggles the mind.
Geez.
Some people want us to go after the same players each offseason. It didn’t happen the last 2 years, why would it happen now?
WTY's ERA+ = 135 I WIN!!!!!
by Figgi4life on Dec 10, 2010 6:37 PM PST via mobile reply actions
tell that to the Red Sox..
They DID get Adrian Gonzalez. Did you forget??
by C.A._Rep_Los_ANGELS on Dec 10, 2010 9:05 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Let's go after Shea Hillenbrand...
remember those days? Yikes. Be afraid of getting what you ask for!
I love this team.
by Downing Rules on Dec 13, 2010 3:35 PM PST up reply actions
I'm pumped up
While the national media (and many of the bloggers on this site) have been ridiculing the Angels’ front office, the Angels have signed the two best lefty relievers and avoided an excessively steep contract for someone who would not have fixed all of our issues on offense.
If we sign Beltre, this offseason is a success, especially if we can trade for another bat in left field.
by Brody on Dec 10, 2010 7:14 PM PST via mobile reply actions
Yeah, our front office kicks ass...
(waves poms poms and drinks some kool aid with Brody).
I love this team.
by Downing Rules on Dec 13, 2010 3:36 PM PST up reply actions
or "Looking Downs"
"If he raced his pregnant wife he'd finish third"
Tommy Lasorda on catcher Mike Scioscia
by sheisalovelyladyandmyapologiestoher on Dec 10, 2010 7:41 PM PST up reply actions
Let's cheer for the Rays to start an all out fire sale...
Then send the Angels Evan Longoria.
Thirdbase solved.
Go Huskers! Go Halos! Tuck Fexas!
YA!!!!
WHOOOOOOOOO HOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!
YEEEEESSSSSSSS!!!!!!!!
by C.A._Rep_Los_ANGELS on Dec 10, 2010 9:03 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
longoria signed
The shittiest contract I’ve ever seen lol… that guy makes peanuts for how good he is.
by C.A._Rep_Los_ANGELS on Dec 10, 2010 9:57 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
thats something i didnt know.
Explains the dumb contract.
by C.A._Rep_Los_ANGELS on Dec 11, 2010 2:13 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
Sweet, we'll get 2 years worth of quality lefty set-up, 1 year of injury and crap,
Ive always liked Downs, hopefully he turns out better than Speier did.
We lose a 1st round pick
But hey at least Arte did save money on his car insurance.
How's about....
Napoli for Corey Hart, straight up, gives us power and bridges the gap till Trout finishes spawning upstream.
the solution for too many catchers and relievers
two extra mounds in the pen
Hope someone is drawing up a new bullpen flow chart for Mikey
Somewhere, right now, Mickey Hatcher is ruining a swing.
by Quinlan's Goofy Swing on Dec 11, 2010 12:20 AM PST reply actions
hmmm
appears the first number I saw on Down was wrong and it is 15 and not 10 like I first thought. It may be a little more than we would want to pay but isn’t really overpaying he was payed 4 mil. last year so a 1 mill upgrade for the next 3 years is he is a solid player for us and doesn’t become a total fail isn’t in my book at least overpaying.
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by TheAngelsColts on Dec 11, 2010 12:56 AM PST reply actions
Trout
I saw him play a game for the Quakes this year. First pitch hit a 450 ft. homerun. I’m down to trade prospects, really wanted to get Mcab, but this kid is special. Really think we might see him June 1st.
So this doesn't seem as crazy as it did at the time I wrote it...
http://www.halosheaven.com/2010/10/8/1739884/the-glorious-elephant-in-the-room-mike-trout
We should trade Callaspo and Rivera for Quentin instead, after signing Beltre of course. Realistically I don’t see Trout coming up until September, until then Willits would be our defensive sub.
Abreu LF/DH
Kendrick 2B
Hunter RF
Morales 1B
Beltre 3B
Quentin DH/LF
Napoli C
Aybar SS
Bourjos CF
I’d be willing to sacrifice our LF defense for a lineup like that, and Bourjos is so fast he nearly makes up for Abroo and Quentin.
by lightupthehalo29 on Dec 11, 2010 2:17 AM PST reply actions
a slightly off topic trout comment
Why is trout so untouchable to everyone? After what has happened to this organization with dmac, wood, kendrick and his competing for batting titles for years to come nonsense, we should be jumping at the chance to unload anybody that has remote interest from another team. Our scouting dept can apparently only find aaa talent. Not to mention, we need to win now. If we want to compete with the big boys, time to start acting like it. Teams like the royals load up on prospects. And when they are good they leave anyway. Trade em all and let’s take down them bastards in the east.
by Bush League Boston on Dec 11, 2010 8:59 AM PST via mobile reply actions
He's untouchable because of his name
We don’t care about his skills or potential, it’s all about the name. Tim Salmon started the obsession, and since then we all gravitate to ballplayers named after fish. Trout is a natural to continue our “named for a fish” legacy.
by mustard_man on Dec 11, 2010 10:08 AM PST up reply actions
hahaha King Fish 2.0??
Honestly I think anybody here would trade him, considering the circumstances.
Like for Adrian Gonzalez, I think we coulda got him for Trout, Callaspo and maybe a AA pitcher who’s not super promising.
If we could of done that I say go for it only if we sign Gonzo for long term, then we get Kendry back and split 1st/DH between them both so we can show Kendry can still play. Then we trade Kendry and Borjous for Ryan Braun because the Brewers are going to lose the Prince anyway and they’ll need a good outfield replacement…
I woulda been sooo down with that
by C.A._Rep_Los_ANGELS on Dec 11, 2010 11:32 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
i know i might get ripped for that
But seriously would you be hurt on losing out on one guy who will probably be a Carlos Gonzalez type.
While Gaining A.Gonzalez & Ryan Braun?
by C.A._Rep_Los_ANGELS on Dec 11, 2010 11:35 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
Trout is debatably the #1 prospect IN BASEBALL right now.
And his skill set mixed with his age far surpasses any of the aforementioned busts from our organization. Dmac and Wood were both poor BA/poor contact hitters that have no plate discipline. Meanwhile, Trout has amazing plate discipline, speed, high contact rate, and even shows some pop every once in a while. I’m not saying he will turn into a future HOF, but you don’t give a guy away with his kinda potential.
Faith Focus Finish
The following players say "hello":
Kendry Morales
Jered Weaver
K-Rod
Tim Salmon
Troy Glaus
Darin Erstad
Peter Bourjos (so far)
Mike Napoli
Jim Edmonds (had he not been trade so soon)
Busts, all of them. The Angels farm system isn’t worth shyte.
Light up that halo! RIP, Nick.
im not saying we never produced any good players
But if ur putting boujos and napoli as proof of how good our farm system is, then that’s pretty indicative of the situation. And that untouchable can’t miss dmac forced out glaus cuz he was younger cheaper and under club control, wood the same with figgins.
by Bush League Boston on Dec 11, 2010 4:27 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Not sure where you got "can't miss"
There were serious questions about both DMac and Wood. Neither of those players ever had the pedigree or accolades currently bestowed upon Trout and simply pawning him off due to the failures of inferior, unrelated prospects is simply foolish. Every situation is unique and it’s unfair to throw all prospects under the same umbrella.
As for “forcing” guys out… Glaus was let go because of his price and his checkered history of being healthy, so on balance, the younger, cheaper MacPhearson was a reasonable gamble. Figgins got too much from Seattle, so taking a measured chance on Wood was defensible.
He's untouchable because he's showing something that our previous prospects didnt:
The ability to draw walks COMBINED with contact hitting ability, speed and power.
The fact that his BB/K rate is almost 1 at every level he’s played in so far is insane. Strike zone discipline and patience is something our farm system has had trouble developing, so having Trout, someone who already has discipline and patience, is a major major plus.
"Just another Halo victory" - Rory Markas
Agreed...
SELL HIGH!
Catch and release wild TROUT.
I love this team.
by Downing Rules on Dec 13, 2010 3:37 PM PST up reply actions
heard it all before
And it didn’t turn out so well. Nothing ever turns out right for this organization. Every ounce of good fortune and luck was used up in 02. We are always gonna be competitive but just not good enough. We are in the eternal Hell of the baseball equivalent of the friend zone. I guess the the last 3 years have left me extremely bitter.100 wins, then zip, 97 wins then zip, last year just zip.
by Bush League Boston on Dec 11, 2010 4:18 PM PST via mobile reply actions
Hey Bush League Boston, why don't you take your negativity
back to Boston and leave us here alone to have fun talking about our team.
by Rev Halofan on Dec 12, 2010 12:06 AM PST up reply actions
I'm sorry but
how fucking arrogant. Why the hell should the Halos be any more fortunate than any of the other 27 teams that don’t have an elastic payroll? All any fan can ask for is that their team simply be “competitive”. As someone who grew up watching this team be miserable through the late 80’s and 90’s, I’m thankful as all hell that we’re at least in the conversation every year now. Grow the fuck up.
Address The Offense Problem
I still cannot understand the overemphasis on pitching and nothing else!
For so long now, the Angels get eliminated early in the playoffs or don’t
make the playoffs yet, the problem with not having enough good hitters
has not been addressed. The 2002 Angels was an exception as we
had an abundance of good hitters in that team. Since, then of course
we have seen the result. The closest we came to adding enough
hitting power was during Texeira’s borrowed time here. Other than
that, it has been mostly, make do with what we have. That formula
has been an utter failure yet, the Angels continue to go that same
path year in year out. Will this year be the year they finally deal with
the problem? I am not very optimistic with their moves so far.
Is Downs the 2nd coming of Shields? (the GOOD years)
Perhaps if the bullpen can stifle the opponent’s offense and we can get an upgrade offensively, perhaps the loss of Crawford is neutralized?
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