Adrian Beltre Signing Would Cost Angels Torii Hunter Money (At Least)
by Rev Halofan on Dec 22, 2010 9:31 PM PST
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Do you think Scott Boras is going to settle for sloppy seconds when it comes to what Adrian Beltre has coming to him? There is no way to look at what Beltre has produced and consider him to be any less the player that Torii Hunter was when he was at the same stage of his career - and coincidentally, both became free agents after completing the season in which they turned 31 (Hunter after 2007, Beltre after this past year).
In his Age 29, 30 and 31 seasons, Torii Hunter played 405 games. His OPS in his Age 29 season was .788 (he only played 95 games that year). In his Age 30 season his OPS was .826 and his last year in Minnesota it was .839. He got $18 million a year for five years.
In his Age 29, 30 and 31 seasons, Beltre played in 408 games. His Age 30 season saw him play only 111 games. His OPS in those seasons was .784, .683 (injured) and .919 ... If you consider that last number inflated by Fenway Park consider that Torii played at the "HomerDome" for all his career and Beltre was exclusively in pitching parks before 2010.
Torii maintained his healthy numbers in the first three years of his contract even with concerns that the Metrodome turf might have taken the life out of his knees. Beltre plays great 3B, easily saving his pitchers more runs than any player in the game.
Beltre has actually played almost two hundred more games at the major league level than Hunter (1835 to 1651) and both have a career batting average of .275 and a career OPS+ of 108.
The only question from Tony Reagins and Arte Moreno to Scott Boras should be how backloaded a contract Boras would accept (considering Gary Matthews Jr and Scott Kazmir combine to make over $24 million in 2011) for his client. Considering the Werth and Crawford deals, Hunter money had to have been the base when this offseason started and it would be a show of good faith after those messy post-2008 Mark Teixeira negotiations for Boras to keep the Beltre contract demands within range of Torii's money.
Two 31-year old All Star above average hitters who play great defense at critical positions. Torii Hunter was 3 months shy of his 32nd birthday when he took the field as an Angel on opening day in 2008. His new paycheck was $18 million a year for five seasons. Adrian Beltre will be a week shy of his 32nd birthday when he takes the field on opening day. No matter if it is with the Angels, the Athletics or another team, Beltre will take the field in 2011 with a comparable paycheck.
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Well put
Rev. I think you are right. We have such a need there too. We supposedly didn’t when we signed Hunter. We had Mathews. The difference is the the lack of teams looking for a third baseman today vs a center fielder then.
by Dfresh on Dec 22, 2010 9:38 PM PST via mobile reply actions
Also, I think a bit of the difference is the prestige of the positions
3B doesnt have the same pull as CF. A CF is supposed to lead the OF and have hundreds of putouts a year. A 3B- even as good defensively as Beltre is- isnt that kind of guy. He doesnt lead the infield defense the way the angels needed torii to lead the OF.
by Balls and Strikes on Dec 23, 2010 9:08 AM PST up reply actions
Is Beltre Worth Torii Money
The reason why Beltre isn’t going to get Torii Hunter money is because he’s not has consistent as Torii. Also look at the poll you put out, 70 % disagree with you
Now 65% agree
"I have something 95 percent of all those All-Stars only wish they had: a World Series ring. If I had to choose between that and being an All-Star, it would be no contest. I’d grab the gold ring and never look back." -Tim Salmon
Clarify this for me, Rev
Is this your theory of what is being said behind closed doors, or have you been provided with a glimpse of what the Team Boras agenda is?
"I can't tell people what to think or not to think. Their perceptions are their perceptions. We just feel we've taken a step forward. At the end of the day, we have to play 162 games. Once that happens then we'll be able to evaluate the offseason moves."~Tony Reagins, on the Angels' offseason
Is it any wonder he's not President?
Angels baseball. We do what we must, because we can -- HaloDutch
I actually did see several weeks ago that Boras was using Torii as a comp
Don’t remember exactly where now. I lol’d at the time but then I stopped because I knew he was serious.
Scioscialist Party of America - Redistributing your defense since 2000.
by Commander_Nate on Dec 23, 2010 9:12 AM PST up reply actions
Beltre would get Torii money
If there were more big market teams trying to sign him.
"Jeff Mathis is like Robb Quinlan without the sex appeal" - Sheisalovelyladyandmyapologiestoher
There are
The big misunderstanding in this league is that the one or two most obvious teams are guaranteed to sign a guy.This is market capitalism. Yes, I hope that if we offered 5/80 that they’re only arguing about pennies. If we raised Oakland’s 64m with 70m, then there is a such thing as creating a competing bid. Because we have been a foregone conclusion to have money and need many people will back off of bidding. If the ALWest teams start penny pinching AND if this is really about money for Beltre and Boras, they will pitch a “pay This” to a team they know wants to pay a 90m ceiling without bidding. I bet the Yanks were hoping Jeter went FA so they could move ARod over and get Beltre. Shit, Texas probably has a cap that’s like 80m, but doesn’t want to bid. I suspect “non-bidders” like Colorado, Giants, Texas (sorta), and San Diego saying we’re not in the market but if it stays within that small club 60-70m mark call us because it would work out for us number wise just by adding the bat for a flat 80m.
Keep in mind, this shit IS NOT regressive, it’s a sign of the times. 80 million is the new 10 million….
by thebigtizzle on Dec 23, 2010 12:36 AM PST up reply actions
Is this before or after you smoked that kush?
by HalosBiggestFan on Dec 23, 2010 2:33 AM PST via mobile up reply actions 4 recs
That's some right nice analysis, that is.
The Angels are ill-served by a front office that willfully disregards both modern and classic performance measurements when it comes to Jeff Mathis. Astonishing, and nearly unforgiveable.
by LittleCupcakes on Dec 22, 2010 10:03 PM PST reply actions
I'm going stir crazy.
I read the headline Adrian Beltre Signing With Angels
What do you need a fancy suit for, Charlie, you ain't got no job to wear it to.
sorry about that
I will change “WILL” to “Would”
by Rev Halofan on Dec 22, 2010 10:15 PM PST up reply actions
Didn't help me, but I just raced through the headline and didn't sound out the words.
I was beyond excited for about a nanosecond before the brain adjusted.
THIS… IS… ANAHEIM!!
I saw a car driving in West Covina with fake reindeer antlers on it today.
Just like those little Lakers flags only they were reindeer antlers.
Peter Bourjos is faster than anyone on your team.
I've seen those for several years.
This year, though, I’ve noticed cars with that and a bright red clown nose on the hood.
Rudolph.
THIS… IS… ANAHEIM!!
trying to stop a flood
Valuable as he is, Torii is not worth Torii money. Perhaps this is a longer term negotiating posture re: Weaver. That said, I am inclined to agree we won’t get him – both sides are getting to the point where neither can loose face. A’s and maybe the White Sox are dark horses. Texas just might screw over Young, having tasted the espn limelight.
Depends on who everyone agrees is a standard bearer
If Werth is at 18 mil – is St. Louis going to be okay with that basis for determining the value of Pujols? After all, Pujols is a far, far, better player. Could anyone really afford him if Werth has set a new sliding scale?
I agree that someone or something’s worth is determined by a market, but right now the market is not connected to a single standard. Therefore, it is more difficult to determine which contracts are outliers, which are inflationary, and which represent a raise in terms of overall percentage of revenue. In other words, Torii is great, but he is not the gold standard – much less Werth. The market should have been set by the best player. That is why Pujols (who by consensus is the best player) could do a great service to baseball next year, simply by not forcing a team to pay 30+ mil per.
This is a problem I think the FO recognizes (I agree with the premise of your article), and is trying to re-establish markers for this and future negotiations (as in re-establishing the credible threat of walking away – the essence of leverage in any negotiation.)
BTW – the A’s wouldn’t have sent a signal unless they are willing to better the Angels offer – they would just like better it by the least amount of money possible. Boras is going to save face after all of this.
by BahBoon on Dec 23, 2010 9:36 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
You Hit It Right On The Head
First, we need to start with the fact that Torii is worth Torii money. His signing was a huge risk that so far has proven to be solid. However, we have 2 years to go. His value dropped when he moved to RF. There is a lot that can still go wrong.
Second, one overpay does NOT equal the need to overpay in the future. Whether you are using Werth’s deal or Hunter’s … both were for too much money. If that is your baseline then you will overpay.
Beltre is “worth” exactly as much as the market is willing to pay for his services. In some years that will be more than Hunter/Werth. In other years it will be much less. The only thing the Angels need to concern themselves with is (1) who else is bidding and (2) how much do they estimate that they will need to pay in order to lure Beltre to LA.
The big market clubs are out. Yankees, Red Sox, Mets, Phillies, Cubs, etc are all tapped out financially or have in-house options. That leaves the Angels and a bunch of other mystery teams. Sure one of those teams could sign him but the probability of 5/$100m deal is incredibly slim.
you sound like a cheapskate
frankly, your cost calculator sounds like it is stuck on 2004 Vlad Signing math.
I'm inclined to thing you're right....
I agree that both sides appear to have reached the point where they can’t back down. Considering the past bad-blood between Bor-ass and Moreno, I just can’t see us getting Beltre. Too bad, because it’s been far too long since we’ve had a true offensive threat at third base…I never dreamed that it would take this long to replace Troy Glaus.
by spiritof1979 on Dec 24, 2010 12:58 PM PST up reply actions
MEME ALERT! C'mon, say it with me....
This is all Boras.
BTW, IMO, If BoraBeltre are waiting out a Hunter contract with the Angels, he aint gonna sign with us.
This is the space where you write a clever quote or something like that.
by sheisalovelyladyandmyapologiestoher on Dec 22, 2010 10:58 PM PST reply actions
Halofann4ever
Why doesn’t Adrian Beltre sign already
Big Daddy J
by Halo fann 2002 on Dec 22, 2010 11:50 PM PST via mobile reply actions
Cause he wants a sixth year nobody's gonna offer
Just give it time and Boras/Beltre will have to sign with us. Every team is pretty set at 3rd base (except Oakland but they don’t have enough money) I expect Beltre to sign by the 29th
I had this same thought the other day
Well, I didn’t think the Angels should cough up Torii money, and I still don’t. But in the absence of competitive bidding, I’ll bet that Boras is holding up negotiations over this very point. He’s done this in the past: “You paid $X million for Player Y, so Player Z is worth at least $X million.” Boras probably sent Reagins a binder full of comparisons between the two players.
And it’s absolutely true that Adrian Beltre deserves as much money as Torii Hunter. It’s just that Torii Hunter doesn’t. A commodity’s free-market value depends on what people are willing to pay for it, and no one is willing to pay $90 million for Adrian Beltre.
This might drag on until January, but things would have to get really crazy for Beltre to get much more than what’s already on the table.
I Agree
with Rev’s conclusion: Beltre will get a Torii contract from someone. He’s just too good, at too valuable a position, not to get that kind of deal.
I still do not understand how there can be anyone who thinks Beltre isn’t worth it, to the extent that any athlete is worth $90 million. He is an elite 3B defensively, and a plus offensive player. Even at age 32, he is one of the best in the game at his position, and the fact remains that there will be no better 3B available on the free agent market for many years, certainly not during the life of whatever contract he signs. That’s the key point that the Beltre naysayers do not comprehend: there will be nobody better available for a long, long time. David Wright is signed through 2013; ditto Ryan Zimmerman. Evan Longoria is signed through 2016. A-Rod is signed through 2017. Where else are the Angels going to get a 3B before 2014?
I think the "naysaysers" get it
The flip side to your list of players is, what team has a need for a 3B and has Torii money to spend on that player? Deep-pocket teams like the Yankees, Mets, Red Sox, Tigers and Cubs have expensive, incumbent 3B now. The White Sox right now have a Boras client at 3B, so that would seem to take them out of the picture. Teams with money to spend, like the Nationals and Rangers likewise have incumbent 3B.
Then there are teams who might have the money and do have the need, like the Orioles, Blue Jays and Oakland, but they most likely won’t sniff the postseason for the 5-6 years of the contract Beltre wants and I am convinced he wants the opportunity to play in the postseason.
I think that, in his mind, he was going to return to the Red Sox and be 3B there for the remainder of his career, getting legit shots at the Series every year. When they traded for Gonzalez, it screwed with his master plan and the Angels would seem to be his fallback position.
The Angels have the money (within reason) and a history of going to the playoffs. By happy coincidence, the team happens to be located close to where Beltre has lived for the past decade or so. I can’t think of another team which could/would pay $75M/5 and has an opening at 3B. I think holding the line, and waiting until his expectations match our reality is the best course of action.
"I can't tell people what to think or not to think. Their perceptions are their perceptions. We just feel we've taken a step forward. At the end of the day, we have to play 162 games. Once that happens then we'll be able to evaluate the offseason moves."~Tony Reagins, on the Angels' offseason
by George Kaplan on Dec 23, 2010 5:13 AM PST up reply actions 2 recs
It might be close
But I don’t think he’ll get Torii money.
First is consistency. He’s only a year removed from an abysmal season. You (or he) can blame it on injuries all you want, but that’s still part of the equation. Hunter was injured a couple years before his big contract, but was still good with the bat and the glove that season.
The second is the market. The Angels weren’t the only team with the means to get Hunter that offseason, but it seems like they’re the logical place for Beltre to end up.
The third is that Hunter was signed at a premium to be the public face of the franchise. His numbers weren’t worth $18 million a year, and I’m sure (kind of) that the Angels knew it. But he would market the franchise since Vlad wasn’t that type of guy. Beltre would just be a player; he’s not going to be asked to be the team spokesperson.
All in all, it will still wind up being close, but I don’t think the Angels are going to cough up Torii money. $16 million a year is more reasonable.
Defending maligned chants since 2009
Spokesperson?
So that imposter stuff was representative of the team’s way of thinking? Is that the real reason why Vlad is gone? Holy shit, does this mean Jeff Miller was right?
Warning: The message above may or may not contain sarcasm. Read and interpret at your own risk.
I think he'll get 5/71
There just isn’t a market to create a bidding war, and Arte doesn’t look budge-able. The only way something else happens is if the Blue Jays or some mystery team decides to go for broke.
Arte will up the offer if there is another team bidding...
I honestly think we’re the highest bidding team with interest right now and Arte is well aware of Boras’ tactics of getting him to bid against himself. He’s too smart to do that.
So yeah I think your prediction is spot on. Beltre will be an Angel and it’s gonna be in the 5/70 range.
I would be very surprised at that...but happy
but still very surprised….
by thebigtizzle on Dec 23, 2010 9:21 AM PST up reply actions
WTF is wrong with 5/75
That’s VLAD IN HIS PRIME money, fergoodnessakes
Angels baseball. We do what we must, because we can -- HaloDutch
by red floyd on Dec 23, 2010 9:48 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
And Vlad's contract actually was depressed due to concerns about his back.
That’s how we outbid the Mets.
Warning: The message above may or may not contain sarcasm. Read and interpret at your own risk.
Repeating myself alert:
When negotiating, there is a fine line between being shrewd and getting screwed. If we sign Beltre for 5/71, great. If we lose out to another team offering 5/75 or 6/80, shame on Reagins and Arte.
A wise man does not need advice and a fool won't take it.
Merry Christmas to all!
W6G -- Unless there's a good trade on the table.
by RexTookMyStash on Dec 23, 2010 8:36 AM PST up reply actions
Thanks...and Merry Christmas back!
Maybe Arte has a crazy cousin Eddie that will kidnap Beltre, tie him up, put a bow on his head, and give him to Arte as a Christmas gift.
Haha!
I dressed up as Cousin Eddie for Xmas party over the weekend. I was him while emptying out his poop from his motor home. To damn funny!
Kohnfed.
by angelskid2210 on Dec 23, 2010 10:24 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
Win.
W6G -- Unless there's a good trade on the table.
by RexTookMyStash on Dec 23, 2010 11:13 AM PST up reply actions
"That's the gift that keeps on giving, Clark."
Freakin’ love that line.
I love this team.
by Downing Rules on Dec 23, 2010 2:38 PM PST up reply actions
Arte's a Hispanic like me. We have bumper crops of crazy cousins around the globe, so I'm optimistic about this.
W6G -- Unless there's a good trade on the table.
by RexTookMyStash on Dec 23, 2010 11:14 AM PST up reply actions
See...
Now if someone of non-latin extraction had put “Hispanic” and “bumper crops” in the same headline you’d be all up in their culo about it!
"That's the true harbinger of spring, not crocuses or swallows returning to Capistrano, but the sound of a bat on a ball." ~Bill Veeck
haha
W6G -- Unless there's a good trade on the table.
by RexTookMyStash on Dec 23, 2010 2:29 PM PST up reply actions
Actually Dec. 23 is Festivus
So it’s time for the Airing of Grievances
All I need are some tasty waves, a cool buzz, and I'm fine.
by Quad Fin Rider on Dec 23, 2010 11:02 AM PST up reply actions
To be followed by the Feats of Strength!
Angels baseball. We do what we must, because we can -- HaloDutch
I've gotta lotta problems with you people!
Starting with DOV. He couldn’t smooth a silk shirt if he had a hot date…..I lost my train of thought.
W6G -- Unless there's a good trade on the table.
by RexTookMyStash on Dec 23, 2010 11:06 AM PST up reply actions
It's a Festivus for the rest of us!
This is the space where you write a clever quote or something like that.
by sheisalovelyladyandmyapologiestoher on Dec 23, 2010 12:47 PM PST up reply actions
Let the Airing of Grievances begin!!!
Oh wait, we’ve been doing that all off-season.
Angels baseball. We do what we must, because we can -- HaloDutch
2010 was my first full year on HH
and if I offended a few people here with my posts these past 12 months, well then fuck me, because I really wanted to offend everyone.
All I need are some tasty waves, a cool buzz, and I'm fine.
by Quad Fin Rider on Dec 23, 2010 11:18 AM PST up reply actions
I personally find those who post to rile others up offensive
They have no place here and should leave immediately.
I brought sexy back, but they only gave me store credit....
where did that shifty eyed goat go
anyway?
by Rev Halofan on Dec 23, 2010 11:38 AM PST up reply actions
^^^^ There he is ^^^^
Someone needs to talk to the editors about banning you sir.
by LAstands4LovingAnaheim on Dec 23, 2010 12:05 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
In the words of Nietzsche
When you stare into the abyss the abyss stares back at you.
Angels baseball. We do what we must, because we can -- HaloDutch
Ah yes
Im sure you will see him during the season. He is too busy being a bro-doucher at clubs in Santa Moncia to post on HH.
You can find him with 22 popped collars and drinking jaeger bombs. He is in the fucking zone chief.
I brought sexy back, but they only gave me store credit....
Not a goat but definitely shifty eyes
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T55ArHjeR1c&feature=related
"Jeff Mathis is like Robb Quinlan without the sex appeal" - Sheisalovelyladyandmyapologiestoher
This is what Boras said to begin the offseason
I’m not sure he will get it, but that’s what Boras wants.
by Brody on Dec 23, 2010 8:57 AM PST via mobile reply actions
What Boras wants....
Boras gets…
And dollar bills, Boras wants you!
Angels baseball. We do what we must, because we can -- HaloDutch
very good writeup comapring the 2, I didn't realize they were so similar
although you did leave out one noteworthy difference between the 2 that could easily answer why Torii would be worth more than Beltre; his smile. It alone is worth another $3 mil a season, at least.
"You realize that Ive been posting on AN since 07 on this name and I am one of the most rec'ed posters there right?" - Some douche named DFA from AN
Love Torii always have
The Angels probably gave him some extra money for something that is very overlooked…team chemistry. Torii makes everyone laugh and loosen up but Beltre flips out if you touch his head.
Christmas time
Do you think the angels will end up increasing their offer to 5 years 80 mill even though arte said he wasn’t.
Big Daddy J
by Halo fann 2002 on Dec 23, 2010 9:23 AM PST via mobile reply actions
Do you think the Angels
Actually offered what Mike DiGiovanna claimed they offered? I don’t. I think they offered a Torii-like five year package and now Boras is shopping for a sixth year and pointing out the Werth got seven.
Boras
is that guy in your fantasy league who blantantly tries to rip you off in every trade and gives you transparently awful reasons why.
You open your league page to see
Send Albert Pujols to Douche Bag
Send Ubaldo Jimenez to Douche Bag
Recieve Mark Texieria from DB
Recieve Vernon Wells from DB
“Bro, Albert’s back is bad and like Ubaldo is over his head. Like, if you look at Well’s numbers he is back to elite man, he will keep it up for sure. And Tex is money, 100% in that park. He is going to hit 60.”
Dude, no, f off.
Boras waits for a good offer then uses that totally fair offer as a BASELINE. Everyone sees how horribly snake like it is, but then GMs get all caught up in shiny players with shiny numbers and say F it. Who in the hell thought Beltre is worth 100 million, like ever? Its a joke to even consider it. In fact, its somewhat crazy to think he is worth 75 million, but now that its there, Boras thinks its ok to ask for significantly more.
I brought sexy back, but they only gave me store credit....
I hate that guy
every league has one, but why is it that my league has 4?
"You realize that Ive been posting on AN since 07 on this name and I am one of the most rec'ed posters there right?" - Some douche named DFA from AN
by 2pintsofbooze on Dec 23, 2010 9:54 AM PST up reply actions
The formula is usually the same:
Pick up waiver trash
Offer one decent player and waiver trash for elite player
Act offended when you tell them to go die in a fire.
I brought sexy back, but they only gave me store credit....
then, after you decline their proposal
the next day they drop the waiver trash, which is yet another slap in the face to you.
this happened a few weeks ago in my FF league. a guy offered me Ryan Mathews and his 3rd string QB (yes, he had 3 QBs on his team) for my #1 RB claiming that Mathews was a 1st rounder (true, but he sucks) and my QB was questionable. after I declined, the next day he dropped that QB. friggin douche.
"You realize that Ive been posting on AN since 07 on this name and I am one of the most rec'ed posters there right?" - Some douche named DFA from AN
by 2pintsofbooze on Dec 23, 2010 10:20 AM PST up reply actions
Ruxin?
Scioscialist Party of America - Redistributing your defense since 2000.
by Commander_Nate on Dec 23, 2010 9:56 AM PST up reply actions
Hunter's contract looked awful at the time
But his awesomeness was worth it. He isnt quite elite talent, but his bust-ass play, clubhouse attitude, and badassery make him a fan favorite and well worth the contract. Hunter’s signing was one of my favorite, above Vlad, purely because it gives us a personality. Vlad just kinda shrugged off fans and hit home runs. And remember his attitue when he won the home run derby? Classless.
If Beltre becomes an infield version of Hunter then I say bring it on for the same cost.
I brought sexy back, but they only gave me store credit....
Yeah, but he needs a refresher course on the art of stealing third base.
A wise man does not need advice and a fool won't take it.
by angelslogic on Dec 23, 2010 12:26 PM PST up reply actions
The rules of stealing third base
- Run REAL fast
- If your name is Torii Hunter, forget Rule #1 and stay at 2B instead
Angels baseball. We do what we must, because we can -- HaloDutch
by red floyd on Dec 23, 2010 12:44 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Vlad was one of the friendliest players ever
I flew to seattle on year and went to see a game. Vlad saw my angels red and came and shook my hand. He even tried his best to speak english to me, thankfully i new some spanish. He never shrugged off anyone
" With Haren bolstering the rotation, the Angels are set up beautifully for 2011"- Another East coast biased reporter
by Halos2011champs on Dec 23, 2010 3:30 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Yeah, I don't think Vlad shrugged off fans, I think he was just .. shy ...
And probably wasn’t comfortable being the face of the franchise.
Angels baseball. We do what we must, because we can -- HaloDutch
Beltre will sign for
5 years 75 million with a 6 year club option
Vote Napoli and Hunter for the 2012 election
by M.Napoli For President in 2012 on Dec 23, 2010 9:42 AM PST via mobile reply actions
shouldn't that be a player option, if he wants to "win"?
They want power. We want respect...
by SenorChuckles on Dec 23, 2010 10:04 AM PST up reply actions
So let it be posted, so let it be done.
This is the space where you write a clever quote or something like that.
by sheisalovelyladyandmyapologiestoher on Dec 23, 2010 12:51 PM PST up reply actions
I think
You are right cuz I didn’t believe mike digiovana and if Beltre wants a 6th year than why not give him a 6 year and sign him already.
Big Daddy J
by Halo fann 2002 on Dec 23, 2010 9:59 AM PST via mobile reply actions
Counterarguments
1. Even after putting up a .919 OPS and 6.1 WAR in 2010, the Red Sox, despite Beltre’s expressed preference to play in Boston, refused to offer more than a 4 year contract. Boston instead seemed giddy to obtain Carl Crawford for seven years, $142 million.
2. Torii’s contract happened before the biggest PED reveals (ARod, Manny, Big Papi). Teams seem much more reluctant to offer long term contract to players in their thirties. (Despite the idiots in Washington). Even with a glaring need for front line pitching, even the MFY refused to increase their offer to Cliff Lee and were outbid by the Rangers.
3. Beltre is one year removed from free agency in which he accepted a one year $9 million contract.
Just think...
if brandon wood could hit a baseball (outside of salt lake), we wouldn’t even be having this conversation.
What do you need a fancy suit for, Charlie, you ain't got no job to wear it to.
Rev
2nd paragraph
He got $18 million a year for three years.
should be five years
Reggie Willits: The non-tender candidate of my dreams.
I've felt this way since he hit the market, he is definitely worth Torii money
1. He can hit the shit out of the ball
2. He plays plus defense at a premium position
3. He can provide a lot for our team over the next 5-6 years than we think.
Sure, he’s 32, but he doesn’t have any major injury issues and 3B isn’t as physically demanding of a position as CF. We could probably stick him at first/DH near the end of the contract because I’m sure Morales will flee to greener pastures after his time is up with the Angels (he’s a Boras client, after all).
I will be very disappointed if we don’t sign Beltre, he is the only piece we need to be a very competitive team next year.
#34, never forget.
You say,
2. He plays plus defense at a premium position
I didn’t know he plays catcher.
A wise man does not need advice and a fool won't take it.
by angelslogic on Dec 23, 2010 12:30 PM PST up reply actions
I agree with the premise
but like others I don’t think there is a strong enough market for him to get it.
If that is the absolute minimum then my guess is he won’t be playing next year
Reggie Willits: The non-tender candidate of my dreams.
is he worth the money
probably not, but they should take it anyway cause if not Boras may have the cojones to ask for 9 figures for Weaver next season
you know that guy on jersey shore I don't know about his situation but mine is I'm Awesome!
well that would be stupid
because Weave is not a free agent next year and asking for that in arbitration would be a lost cause.
by Rev Halofan on Dec 23, 2010 12:14 PM PST up reply actions
yes but in a contract extension
you know that guy on jersey shore I don't know about his situation but mine is I'm Awesome!
link
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2010/12/poll-the-next-100mm-contract.html
you know that guy on jersey shore I don't know about his situation but mine is I'm Awesome!
Why do they call million mm? That's "millimeters."
Million is a capital M, as in “mega.” WTF already?
I love this team.
by Downing Rules on Dec 23, 2010 2:42 PM PST up reply actions
Bring the Great Genuflector home already!
Because the sound of David Cortney saying, “Now batting, the third baseman Izzy Callaspowood” literally makes me nauseous.
This is the space where you write a clever quote or something like that.
by sheisalovelyladyandmyapologiestoher on Dec 23, 2010 12:56 PM PST reply actions
Now batting for Pedro Borbon... borbon..... Manny Mota... mota... mota....
Angels baseball. We do what we must, because we can -- HaloDutch
One minor thing....
Torii has never been accused of doing ’roids. The last time we signed a suspected roider to a 5 year contract we shat the bed. 5/90 is ridiculous for Beltre and has bust written all over it.
by GrandyOlePal on Dec 23, 2010 2:40 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
Hm..
what I would do with 70 million bucks….
"Stay loyal to the Angels. As for me, I'm jumping on the Nationals bandwagon, later." -Daniel Sirca
you think the year amount would matter if
someone offered beltre/boras 3 years for $88 million?
you know that guy on jersey shore I don't know about his situation but mine is I'm Awesome!
Damn the Nationals to Hell
for raising the bar so high with the Werth deal! That contract is going to artificially inflate every major deal from now on.
Hence my post back then:
Dear Nationals,
F*** you very much.
Signed,
Any team wanting to sign a free agent
Angels baseball. We do what we must, because we can -- HaloDutch
There is always ...
Russell Branyan.
Actually, I would like the Angels to try and sign Grant Balfour.
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