REAGINS: No to C. Lee, No to Soriano
The Ninja believes in Fernando Rodney. He says it to the times himself.
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Good news on Lee
Soriano and the other available closers I think we should wait out. Come January, I wouldn’t be surprised if their asking prices started to drop.
Offense, offense, offense.
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I'm OK with Rodney..
as long as he’s on a short leash. None of this Steve Finley crap.
But it’s good to see they understand the offense is what needs help and not pitching. At least in terms of priority. I’d love them to get Soriano, but not at the expense of a Beltre or another big bat.
Yep
Both of those guys would be nice to have in a world where the Angels have unlimited resources. They don’t, so let’s prioritize. That means hitting and defense.
Defending maligned chants since 2009
Reagins said he did not offer 7 years. not that they aren't looking at Lee
Reggie Willits: The non-tender candidate of my dreams.
Maybe he offered Lee 6 years
But Mathis would be his personal slave while he was on the team. IT ALL MAKES SENSE NOW!
Defending maligned chants since 2009
can you imagine how much
our premier catcher’s game calling skills would lower Lee’s ERA?
that’d be, like, ALL WORLD CY YOUNG or something…
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Hisnori Takahashi has closing experience if Rodney screws up again.
Peter Bourjos is faster than anyone on your team.
why why why
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Go get a BAT!
I guess I’d rather have us be in the position of wanting a better closer half-way through the season because the offense was getting us leads to protect rather than having the closer sitting on his hands lots of nights because there was not a game to save.
the most alarming part
was the fact that Sosh focused on saying the team needed “depth” over an impact player. WHAT? We’re screwed.
The Ninja believes in Fernando Rodney.
Looks like we’ll have another season of “It’s an F-BOMB BY F-ROD!!!”
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‘The splash is sexy, but at the end of the day you’re trying to improve your club,’ Reagins said.
by Halotosis on Dec 7, 2010 5:00 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
It's begiining to look a lot like another W6G offseason
I hope I’m wrong, but little they’ve done goes against this supposition.
The offseason also lasts for another two months
And the best deals come closer to the end.
Defending maligned chants since 2009
yeah, but. .
We all know how much the Angels FO loves to keep their cards close. I think Mike DiGi is usually really insightful, but I also think they have that “get a message out through the media” guy in that one. it tends to bite ’em in the ass, and as much as I love this time of year, I almost love to hate it. I just with Lee, Crawford and Beltre would sign, somewhere, so we can start seeing the big picture a little more clearly.
Self-realization. I was thinking of the immortal words of Socrates, who said, "I drank what?"
The Geek.
by The OC Sports Geek on Dec 7, 2010 5:19 PM PST reply actions
Ugh.
Soriano, please. Wanted this last year, too, but now at least it doesn’t involve a trade. Offense is the key need, but our Blowpen sure needs helping, too!
Light up that halo! RIP, Nick.
I totally agree
If were going to overpay, lets address our horrendous blowpen. Soriano is worth the contract, he’s a lights out closer, something we desperately need. I’m sick and tired of Rodney’s erratic, unreliable crap.
YOU DON'T KNOW THE POWER OF THE DARKSIDE.....
Disagree
There are a host of in-house options who will earn about 3% of what Soriano will command – guys like Walden, Kohn, Jepsen, even the newly-signed Takahashi – one of whom (at least) is capable of closing. Total waste of money. There won’t be many games to close if they don’t improve the offense.
Beltre all the way.
by jjackflash on Dec 7, 2010 5:31 PM PST up reply actions 3 recs
Agree
Our young bullpen arms performed quite well in the second half of the season, while our offense was terrible.
We also have Geltz and Berg in the wings. The only thing, I believe, that was lacking in our bullpen was a lefty, which the Angels got. One of Walden, Rodney, Jepsen needs to step up for the closer role and I believe one of them will (mainly Walden. :D)
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Definitely agree
But the problem I have with what Reagins is saying is that we shouldn’t close up shop on the bullpen if the availability is out there—Soriano is a very reliable arm that would bring much, much needed stability to the bullpen. I can’t stand to see another ’09 or ’10 performance in which the bullpen costs us something like 10 wins.
Light up that halo! RIP, Nick.
I know what you're saying,
And I agree that we need more offense. However, our atrocious BP also needs to be addressed. I can’t recall how many games were lost because our ineffective, unreliable blowpen gave games away, but it was a substantial part of our problem last season. I’m not saying that we shouldn’t sign another bat, quite the contrary, but if we have the chance to sign a lights out closer, like Soriano, we’d be fools not to do so, if the chance presents itself. My biggest hope is that our entire lineup doesn’t suck again, guys like Torii and Kowbell return to form , and we have a bully that can not only relieve the starters, but hold leads. To me, a reliable BP is every bit as important as signing a worthwhile bat. What good is a lead if you can’t hold it? Jepsen, Bulger, Kohn and Walden may be everything we hope for. Then again, what’s the harm in getting a guy like Soriano, who we know can be the closer we need. Just my opinion.
YOU DON'T KNOW THE POWER OF THE DARKSIDE.....
Fair Enough
You’re entitled to your opinion, and it’s not unreasonable. But the real problem in the bullpen wasn’t the closer role (until Fuentes was traded). The problem was in getting to the last inning. The Angels have largely addressed that problem by promoting a few guys, and by signing Takahashi. Even last year, by mid-September, Rodney was not the de facto closer. Assuming they open the year without adding another arm to the ‘pen, it’s far from a given that Rodney is the closer in April 2011. If he is, you can be sure that he will be on a very short leash. Although the Soth loves him some bullpen “roles,” he has never been reluctant to promote and demote based on performance.
Thus, committing a veritable shitload of money (Soriano’s contract demand fits squarely into “shitload” territory) simply to add a bit more depth to the pen seems to be an inefficient use of somewhat limited resources. There’s no question he’d help, but how much? It seems to me the money would be much better spent improving at a position where there is greater impact, and where there is no possibility of getting help from within – namely, 3B and, to a somewhat lesser extent, LF.
Well said
If we were in a position where ALL we needed was bullpen help (like the Mets 2 years ago) I suppose spending over $30 million on a guy like Soriano might be justified. One quality arm has already been added at a reasonable price. I’d say wait out the offseason and grab someone off the scrap-heap (Grant Balfour, anyone?) to shore up the pen. Until more pressing needs are addressed, the pen shouldn’t even be a concern.
If we're going to overpay for a free agent...
…it should be Cliff Lee.
I’m not excited about signing Crawford to a bazillion dollar deal or giving Beltre a big contract where he’ll only earn the money his last year here.
Maybe he's referring to a backloaded contract?
In which Beltre gets the last $50 million while hitting .100 in 2015? I dunno.
Light up that halo! RIP, Nick.
he means
that Beltre will only perform to the high standard of what he’s getting paid until his final year, due his knack for performing well in a contract year…even though he did not perform well at all in 2009, which was a contract year.
at least, I think thats what he means
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by 2pintsofbooze on Dec 7, 2010 10:44 PM PST up reply actions
I'd much rather overpay for a hitter
Crawford, even if he slumps, will bring speed and defense. Beltre should be okay at third for a couple more years.
Lee has an injury history and is older than both of those guys. If/when he goes downhill, he’ll have no other value. I like Lee, but he’s definitely a bigger risk than Crawford or Beltre.
Defending maligned chants since 2009
Doesnt Crawford sport a pretty weak OBP..?
by deejayelleseven on Dec 7, 2010 6:19 PM PST up reply actions
Over .355 in his past three seasons, which is pretty good. Well above the league average last season: .325
His OBP isn’t leadoff good, but it’s definitely good for a #2/#3 hitter, which is what his role would be if we signed him.
I firmly believe Abreu will be our leadoff hitter in ’11.
"Just another Halo victory" - Rory Markas
The main problem is that he gets on-base through good contact as opposed to drawing walks (5.4% career walk rate)
Which is a bit risky because hitting can be hot/cold (like Aybar, Kendrick, and Abreu last season compared to this season), while drawing walks/strike zone discipline stays pretty consistent or gets better.
"Just another Halo victory" - Rory Markas
That's the only hope I'm holding on to
if the team bites the bullet and inks Crawford to some absurd deal. The man has improved bit by bit every year he’s been a big leaguer (not including one injury-marred season). We shouldn’t expect a Torii-like improvement into his mid-30’s, but his track record shows that it is far from impossible.
If you're
referring to the myth that he only performs in contract years, you obviously haven’t been paying attention. Succinctly stated, you are so wrong, it’s kinda sad.
http://www.halosheaven.com/2010/11/19/1825710/adrian-beltres-walk-seasons-and-other-illusions
Great work linking Welch's thing.
His best year in LA was his last year. His other big year was his one year in the mini-park in Boston.
Other than those two years, he’s not that special — only two other seasons where his OPS made it above .800. Maybe you haven’t been paying attention.
Excuse Me?
Not that special? If your standard is “MVP,” then yeah, he’s had “only” two MVP-type seasons.
If you actually read Welch’s essay, and others that lead to it, you’d understand that Beltre’s one of the games all-time best 3B. His career is borderline HOF-worthy.
I apologize
for the fact that in his career, Beltre already has compiled a WAR of 42.5. Third basemen already in the HOF include Pie Traynor (37 WAR), Freddie Lindstrom (29.1) and George Kell (33.5). If he averages 3 WAR/year over the course of a 5-year contract, he’d be at 57.5, which would put him above HOFers Eddie Collins (52.9) and close to Frank Baker (63.7) and should-be HOFer Ron Santo (66.4).
I’m sorry that you find that so upsetting. But the fact is that he would, indeed, be a borderline Hall of Famer.
See apology above
I offered my reasoning as to why he’s a borderline HOFer. What is your rebuttal, other than “no?”
You make a great case for Beltre
and that is why there is no rebuttal.
A wise man does not need advice and a fool won't take it.
23rd
All-time in WAR among 3B.
Based on his performance, he actually earned every single dollar of that Seattle contract.
You’re simply way off base in your beliefs about Beltre. You’re not alone, though. For some reason, people demand that he be Albert Pujols.
His career OPS is .791
Those .009 points aren’t really a huge step down from .800.
Take a look at the rest of his season averages and you’ll see that while they might not be worth what he’s asking, they are certainly something we need. We also know he has the capability to significantly beat those averages, as he has done 3 prior seasons. At a minimum, we could expect Beltre to be an above-average 3B; at the maximum, he could have another MVP-type season or 2 with us.
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by Commander_Nate on Dec 7, 2010 5:55 PM PST up reply actions
Positional Scarcity
Is another thing he has going for him, and the reason his price tag is so high. There just aren’t a lot of great 3Bmen. If you look around both leagues trying to figure out who is unquestionably better than Beltre, it’s a very short list. Moreover, none of them will be available anytime soon, unless the Mets really do trade David Wright. You’ve got Zimmerman (not going anywhere), Longoria (ditto), A-Rod (ditto), and Wright. Scott Rolen is comparable, but older. Who else?
Maybe he should be a very good defender at an important position
Instead of a crap defender at Greg Luzinski’s.
He also might want to look at having more than just two seasons with as many extra base hits as Beltre had last year on the road.
I've concluded
That Beltre is, in the minds of some fans, a victim of his own success. The fact that he has had two MVP-type seasons (one of which was a truly historic year for a 3B) makes people think that he isn’t very good because he doesn’t perform at that level every single year. They simply don’t want to believe the he has been as good as he has.
by jjackflash on Dec 7, 2010 10:34 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
And people really don't care about park effects
Beltre’s stats have been as damaged as any modern player’s by the parks he’s played in every year except last.
Reagins is a nutcase
“Rodney is capable. He’s shown he can close. Obviously, he didn’t pitch to the level we expected last year, but in Detroit, he showed he can close. Our expectation is he will bounce back and do what he’s capable of. He’s got to step up his game and get back to doing what he does best.”
Memo to Ninja: Rodney’s ERA/WHIP last year were virtually identical to the stats he posted from 2007-2009 in Detroit. You’re expecting him to bounce back? To what? 2006 when he was somewhat serviceable? The guy has had two OK seasons (never a great season) in his entire career and has been mostly awful other than that. You know who else COULD close? Any freaking pitcher that a team decides to run out in the ninth inning. Just because he’s done it before doesn’t mean he’s good at it.
Signing Soriano to close for tons of money would be a waste anyways because your best relievers should not only pitch one inning when the team is ahead at the end of the game (i.e. 2002 WS champion Angels). But don’t tell me Rodney is a good closer or even a pitcher who deserves to be in the major leagues right now.
I have liked some of what Reagins has done and hated some of what he has done, but that quote is insanely idiotic.
Of course you're right about Rodney
But what’s Reagins supposed to say? “Ummm, yeah, signing Rodney was a mistake. If we had the money to sign a real closer, we definitely would because Rodney’s peripherals are terrible.” I’m not saying Reagins completely realizes his mistake; he may not. But even if he did, you’d still hear the same stuff in the press. It’s not like the Angels have a much better option right now. At least not a proven one.
Defending maligned chants since 2009
No, but he could say....
“We think that we have a bunch of great arms coming up and any one of them could close if needed. We realize that closers are just like other pitchers – they need to get outs and we don’t buy into the idea that you need a dedicated guy who has the job to pitch in the ninth inning come helll or high water. We were at our best when we had K-Rod owning the 6th-8th innings depending on the situation. We are going back to that model because it is smarter and we have the horses to pull it off now!”
But that won’t ever happen.
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I don't doubt
Scioscia believes a healthy Kendry last year would have made up for the 10GB and 3rd place finish. Outside of some cheapish flyer on someone, Morales is our big “free-agent” signing this offseason.
And that's scary to me
There is no way a healthy Kendry by himself makes up that deficit. We’d be a little closer, but still a few games out. If we stay the course with what he had last year, we had better hope that the starters stay healthy the whole year and the majority of the lineup are having career seasons like 2009.
by Spird on Dec 7, 2010 5:58 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Well, Kendry by himself can make up half that deficit.
I believe he’s a 5 WAR player on his own. Which is why I think right now, the Angels are a 83-86 win team. We need to add at least 1 impact position player to get into 90+ win territory.
"Just another Halo victory" - Rory Markas
Or we need all our position players to step up
Which might be difficult.
Also, don’t forget that we have a full season of Haren as well, who is a 5 WAR player as well.
"Just another Halo victory" - Rory Markas
Exactly
If you put Kendry and Haren in for a full season, keep Kazmir on a short leash, and avoid the bullpen disaster of last April and May, you probably add 10 wins, if not more. If we add at least one additional free agent (preferably Beltre), we could get back to the level at which we performed in 2008 and 2009.
Don't jump to conclusions
Reagins was being diplomatic in his interview. Listen to the whole thing. He was boxed in. He also said the same thing about Mathis and Napoli, but added that anything can change.
"If this was America, you'd have a radar gun, and right now it would read 101" - Kenny Powers
by 2pintsofbooze on Dec 7, 2010 10:49 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
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i can contact scott boras with one email
does he respond? no
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