Carl Crawford No Angel as Red Sox Sign Speedster
by Rev Halofan on Dec 8, 2010 9:33 PM PST
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PrintTop free agent Carl Crawford has signed with the Boston Red Sox for seven years, $142 million, leaving the Angels with plenty of money to... uhh... yeah, well, looks like Scott Boras has held back Adrian Beltre long enough to get top dollar from Arte Moreno. The media conventional wisdom was tilting so heavily in favor of the Angels signing Crawford that earlier this afternoon it seemed that a Los Angeles of Anaheim signing was a fait accompli. Well, nyet to that, Frenchy.
Now Boras holds the cards if the Angels want top-tier talent as Cliff Lee (whose agent Darek Braunecker has already left the winter meetings) and Beltre wait with a deep gap of quality between them and the next available free agents. Tony Reagins has to be rooting for a Lee signing by the Yankees now, whose reported dollar amount offer to Cliff Lee was less than the reported $142 million total to Crawford, although at 6 years, $140 million, it pays the lefthander more per year. Ahhh... see how Boston tweaks their rivals yet again.
Just as I worried aloud earlier today on SBNLA, a post-2006-esque empty-handed-budget-consciousness has left the organization empty handed. The expulsion of Gamblin' Eddie Bane as the organization's Minor League chief now seems perfectly clear: This is a conservative outfit that doesn't take chances or appreciate what a wager might pay off. I guess we will never see Dennis Kuhl or John Carpino drop a green chip on the pass line and ask the baseball gods to pass them the dice.
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thanks for pointing out the murkiness of the sentence (I had to blast this one out pretty fast, went back and added that last paragraph), I altered it for clarity. Appreciate the pointers.
Way way way....
overpaid. Glad it’s not us shelling out that money over seven years. 3B for the Angels is a much bigger hole than left field. This could be a blessing.
by Doctor Wu on Dec 8, 2010 9:38 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
Hmm... in years past, I'd agree, but...
it’s time for the Halos to step up and start paying out like a top-tier team.
“If you can’t party with the big boys … don’t show up!!!” – Andrew Dice Clay
I love this team.
by Downing Rules on Dec 9, 2010 9:57 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
We can sugar coat it, but...
…if the Yankees end up with Lee, they can start the ALCS in April. Sure, they overpaid, maybe by a lot, but you can just go down to the store and get another “almost as good” player for a slightly lower price.
I don’t blame Reagins or Arte. The Yankees and Sox are willing to spend money that others aren’t willing to spend. I probably wouldn’t be willing to spend that if I were Arte.
But this move was completely obvious. After the Werth overspend, the Sox were really the only team in the market for Crawford, regardless of what people decided to report.
Line ’em up, hope to win the West, and see what kind of luck we can get in a short series.
Three days ago many of us were willing to walk away from CCrawford.
OK.
Now, let’s move on like we were willing to do three days ago.
I'm guessing the offer was 6/$108MM or 5 + an option......$18MM/year.
Perfectly reasonable considering Torii’s contract.
I wouldn’t have offered more.
Great! Walk away…..Move on.
Correct
It would be great to have Crawford, but $142 is way too much for him.
If Beltre can be signed for something reasonable, great. If not, work some magic in the trade market.
Go Huskers! Go Halos! Tuck Fexas!
If we can't sign anyone...
this could be a perfect time to extend Weaver and/or Morales
go long with extenze...i do
by angelsownredsux on Dec 9, 2010 12:02 AM PST up reply actions
I also agree but
it seems the FO is frugal for the type A big money free agents and then go out and over spend for slugs aka Rodney, GMJ, et al. That’s what I don’t get.
So I'm not quite the fair weather fan I thought I was but the Angels still better win or I'm going to a Bee's game instead of watching!
Not that that isn't reasonable...
but if we were serious about getting him we should have known that less than 7 years isn’t gonna cut it considering Werth’s deal.
So yeah, we never had a chance if we weren’t willing to go 7.
This team...
Continually shoots themselves in the foot!! When are WE, yes WE, Going to figure out this free agency thingie and pull the trigger on a very good quality player and be the force everyone has come to acknowledge that we are, or were? im kinda really pissed now!
You Better watch out, The Angels are War Machines!
It is..
Someone that will make an impact on a team, Maybe like a Crawford, or a Tex, or maybe now even Beltre, who i know sucked in Seattle after having a great final season in Los Angeles, but tell me if we are any better now, than we were on October 1st?
You Better watch out, The Angels are War Machines!
You weren't an Angel fan in the 80's or 90's I guess...
When we signed everyone and anyone to overpriced contracts and lost all the time.
Been an angels fan since '72...
SO i remember all the big names with talent that fizzled….Also didnt have the Scioscia regime either….
You Better watch out, The Angels are War Machines!
Mark Langston and Mo Vaughn weren't in their twilight years...
we won the WS with home grown talent not people we bought from the FA pool.
Time to focus on the bullpen........
Good pitching beats good hitting………If they can somehow figure out a way to sign Lee…..then I say we just take our five and shut down the other teams every night……
A 2-1 win…….is just as good as a 10-3 win.
Pitching, Pitching, Pitching.
The score dictated they pass
by norcaliangelsfan on Dec 8, 2010 9:49 PM PST reply actions
tell that to the Mariners...
Faith.... a fan's biggest downfall
by desecrator09 on Dec 8, 2010 9:50 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
They only have one pitcher.............
and still had no offense……..
The score dictated they pass
by norcaliangelsfan on Dec 8, 2010 9:51 PM PST up reply actions
Cubs fan here.
Sorry to hear the news. Lee to the Yankees is all but a done deal now with Crawford off the table. Have a good off season.
"The riches of the game are in the thrills, not the money." --Ernie Banks
Im soooo glad we didnt ink crawford to that
Deal… nothing wrong with the angels saying no to that deal… anyone mad can thank the nats for that stupid werth deal now its all or nothing for beltre!!!
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Light up that halo! RIP, Nick.
Way too much money
$142M?? No thank you. While Beltre may not be the answer, I think he would be a major upgrade at 3B (Wood? Callaspo? Izturis? Come on…). The Angels need an open spot in the OF for Trout anyway.
I appreciate your rationality
It seems to have vanished around here.
I L-O-V-E Carl Crawford…but that type of contract is one we would all be worried about halfway through. He’s an amazing compliment to a super rich team like Boston or NY, but I can’t justify building a team around a #2 hitter
RIP Nick Adenhart
by ihearhowie2.0 on Dec 8, 2010 10:05 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I don't care about the dollars/year as much as the 7 years.
that’s way to many for a guy whose biggest asset is speed
I'd say if the Red Sox win the World Series in any of the next 7 years
It was a good investment.
Hopefully this does not happen.
"Just another Halo victory" - Rory Markas
yeah that changes things - we can only wait to see, I guess.
Hard to see how CC ought to get the same $ as guys like Cabrera, Tex, or Santana.
What if they win a World Series with Crawford on the DL?
Or they win a World Series in a season where Crawford hits .270? Or they win a World Series with Crawford going 0-for-20?
Lots of ways they can win it all and still lose on their investment.
The Giants won the World Series this year.
That doesn’t make the Zito contract any less of a disaster.
If I stay within my mechanics, I can turn the corner and build upon this success.
by The_Question on Dec 8, 2010 10:52 PM PST up reply actions
i don't think it will be that long., with the way they are talking him up this off season.
he really is a once in a lifetime prospect (despite the Wood, Mcpherson, Mathis, etc. past that we have). you don’t keep those guys in the minors if there is an opening. it goes above the norm of the organization.
I don’t know how crazy i am about it; but i think if he gets off to a great start at AA, he might skip AAA and be with us by mid-season. Hopefully, we are in first an Rivera is hitting well and we can develop him for another year and maybe give him a chance in 2012. But, it is anyone’s guess with Trout.
"I have one word for you...Be careful."
-Jose Guillen
common sense says yes.
but common sense probably also said that about A-Rod at 18, Miguel Cabrera at 20, Jimmie Foxx (i believe at 17 or 18), and a lot of other names.
I don’t believe that is what is going to happen with Trout. But we have to take into account that it could be in the minds of the organization.
"I have one word for you...Be careful."
-Jose Guillen
The RedSox win the Offseason World Series!
Last years champions, the Seattle Mariners, will be presenting the award.
I took your stash.
by blochead on Dec 8, 2010 10:04 PM PST reply actions 8 recs
Oh yeah
compare the 2010 Mariners and the 2011 Red Sox. Completely valid. People stick their heads so far up their asses to deny the truth it is ridiculous. Game over, we are done, tune back in during the 2014 season where the Angels have a chance again.
"Some people think they should go to heaven but NOT have to die to get there.
Sorry, but that’s simply not how it works."
Follow me on Twitter: @alexvanroekel
speaking of people sticking their heads up their asses...
“Game over, we are done, tune back in during the 2014 season where the Angels have a chance again.”
by lightupthehalo29 on Dec 8, 2010 10:09 PM PST up reply actions
sincerely the 2010 giants
Like poster above says, pitching, pitching, pitching. Get beltre and bolster bullpen.
by SCHalo on Dec 8, 2010 10:19 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
The Rangers only made the playoffs
because the Yankees had no pitching and you take away Lee (which they were able to do with Lincecum) then the Rangers were nowhere near a World Series team. Applying the 2010 Giants out of context means nothing.
"Some people think they should go to heaven but NOT have to die to get there.
Sorry, but that’s simply not how it works."
Follow me on Twitter: @alexvanroekel
Dude
You’re starting to wear on me. And not even because you’re a Trojan (or Trojan fan).
Bitch once, then offer a solution. Don’t bitch twice.
"I have something 95 percent of all those All-Stars only wish they had: a World Series ring. If I had to choose between that and being an All-Star, it would be no contest. I’d grab the gold ring and never look back." -Tim Salmon
eesh, i'm agreeing with a bruin here?
my link to the 2010 giants is pitching, pitching, pitching….what if we end up with Lee? or a solid bullpen?
btw, i’ll still give you a “Fight On!” just because. ;)
To be completely honest
The Red Sox roster is way more stacked right now than last year’s Mariners.
Red Sox ’11: Youk, Pedroia, AGonz, Crawford, Ortiz, Ellsbury, Drew, Scutaro, Salty + Lester, Buch, Beckett, Lackey, Daisuke
Mariners ’10: Figgins, Ichiro, Guti, Saunders, Johnson(?), Lopez, Griffey Jr., whoevertheir1Bwas + Lee, Felix, Fister, Vargas, Rowland-Smith
The pitching is comparable, but the Red Sox have a much better line-up than the ’10 Mariners.
"Just another Halo victory" - Rory Markas
it was funny.
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
"Baseball's all that's real" - JB
Obviously not
but when you have a team so much better than your competition it is a different thing. 2009 Mariners had 85 wins and only got there by vastly over achieving. Not all of their additions (like Figgy) were locks as great players. There was a huge amount of skepticism to go along with all the people who thought they would win the division.
Red Sox on the other hand won 89 games with a ridiculous amount of injuries and added an MVP caliber guy to go along with a 5 tool guy who is really, really damn good. Plus they had 2 pitchers under-achieve big time.
Not even close to the same thing.
"Some people think they should go to heaven but NOT have to die to get there.
Sorry, but that’s simply not how it works."
Follow me on Twitter: @alexvanroekel
yes but
just about every major professional analyst discarded all of your points and they got paid to consider your points and well, your points might be valid and this year they might as well, but you are a real buzzkill with your gloomy overkill and unlike the “experts” you are not even getting paid for it!!!
Okay.
POINT -——————————————————————————————————————————————————→you
Defending maligned chants since 2009
Seriously...
did anyone really think the team was “in” on it? i think not. because of all the media reports today i felt there was no way he was heading to anaheim/los angeles. remember the miguel cabrera dealings where the national media had pegged him an angel? well, dombrowski said the heck with it and upped the ante, upping the ante is not anything the angels ever do even though their primary offers may be quite reasonable—somehow the front office thinks playing in the sun will overcome a few more million dollars and an extra year or two on the contract. it hasn’t happened yet, and it won’t happen in the future. i’m tired of the tease.
while $142 million is a hell of a lot for Crawford, that’s what the market yielded, and the angels will never go there—and don’t ever expect anything different.
I thought the same
the more the media kept saying Crawford was going to the Angels, the worse I felt about that actually happening.
"If this was America, you'd have a radar gun, and right now it would read 101" - Kenny Powers
by 2pintsofbooze on Dec 8, 2010 10:24 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Esssssaktly my thoughts...
it pissed me off reading that crap.
I love this team.
by Downing Rules on Dec 9, 2010 10:02 AM PST up reply actions
LA? small market?
You can argue if Crawford was the savior we have been waiting for, but if we decide a player is our guy, then we have to pay big boy market prices otherwise we should just switch to the NL.
LA is a small market... no foolsball team.
I love this team.
by Downing Rules on Dec 9, 2010 10:02 AM PST up reply actions
Supposedly
the Yankees didn’t even get the chance to make an offer.
so says Cashman
by lightupthehalo29 on Dec 8, 2010 10:10 PM PST reply actions
Actually it was Seraph, pointing out Rev's point:
“That wasn’t his point
Boras uses other agents’ clients as pawns just as well as he does his own."
THIS… IS… ANAHEIM!!
yep, should be fun
what with Rodney scheduled as the closer, and a LF tandem of Abroo, Rivera and Willits.
can’t wait
"If this was America, you'd have a radar gun, and right now it would read 101" - Kenny Powers
by 2pintsofbooze on Dec 8, 2010 10:50 PM PST up reply actions
Our cabin was dirt cheap. I was thinking we could afford a boat. ;-)
We’re at the cabin right now, I’ve spent the last two weeks worrying about needing emergency eye surgery (turns out I don’t) and having a root canal. Lovely little vacation.
THIS… IS… ANAHEIM!!
There were 8 inches a week ago Sunday,
but it’s almost all gone now. We are having really balmy weather up here. I think it hit 65 today.
THIS… IS… ANAHEIM!!
Gotta love SoCal weather,
My best friend lives in Ohio, it’s been snowing there for the last week, the warmest temperature was 27 degrees, and here in Temecula, today the daytime high was 74 degrees.
YOU DON'T KNOW THE POWER OF THE DARKSIDE.....
Yeah,
and it only took 2 inches of snow to shut down Seattle for four days. People were abandoning their cars in front of our house in Washington, much to our amusement. They were afraid they wouldn’t be able to get them out later on, and the snow was all gone by 8pm but one car was still there the next day.
THIS… IS… ANAHEIM!!
What do you expect opie...
Friggin’ M’s fans and all. Not like they have a lot of common sense girlfriend! ;)
YOU DON'T KNOW THE POWER OF THE DARKSIDE.....
The funniest thing happens when it rains.
They don’t know how to drive in the rain! They’re marginal when it’s dry, but they just lose their minds when it starts to rain and you know how much it rains there.
THIS… IS… ANAHEIM!!
We had that much in Washington Thanksgiving week,
snowed on and off from Monday through Thursday, and it had all melted by 8pm on Thanksgiving. It was beautiful and went away really fast.
THIS… IS… ANAHEIM!!
Just buy Lake Arrowhead in its entirety.
I love this team.
by Downing Rules on Dec 9, 2010 10:04 AM PST up reply actions
Sign Beltre
Try to sign Lee and trade for Josh Willingham. Or just trade for Josh Willingham.
That’s the best I can come up with.
"Just another Halo victory" - Rory Markas
DO NOT GIVE THOSE ASSHOLES NAPOLI TOO!!!!
by firebird81 on Dec 8, 2010 10:15 PM PST reply actions 4 recs
Fucking Shocking
This shit happens every year. How is anyone suprised that the Anlges underbid for a FA and walk away looking like dickheads?
I brought sexy back, but they only gave me store credit....
Dickheads?
For not bettering $20 million per year for seven years for Crawford? I don’t think so.
I won't necessarily say we "underbid".
Crawford is, in my opinion, really not worth the 7/142 he gets from the Sox. We could get Beltre, Soriano, and put some money back in the wallet with that contract.
RIP Nick Adenhart 4/9/09
by vlad IS my man on Dec 8, 2010 10:20 PM PST up reply actions
of course he's not worth it
but the reality is every offseason the top 3 or 4 free agents are going to command similar contracts simply due to the scarcity of impact free agents and the fact that NY and Boston are in a never ending battle over who has the biggest dick.
if the Angels ever want any of the top impact free agents, they need to overpay.
"If this was America, you'd have a radar gun, and right now it would read 101" - Kenny Powers
by 2pintsofbooze on Dec 8, 2010 10:28 PM PST up reply actions
R I G H T
No doubt the Sux wildly overpaid for Crawford, and in the long run it’s a good thing the Angels were not saddled with a contract that might severely limit us down the road.
But unless the Angels get really good at drafting and developing, and get even more Ninjaesque at trades, at some point they are going to have to overpay to get some piece they desperately need to put together a championship team.
I certainly hope
this didn’t interrupt Tony’s meal with double-A Arkansas.
by Halotosis on Dec 8, 2010 10:17 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
Is there a Del Taco there in Orlando?
I love this team.
by Downing Rules on Dec 9, 2010 10:05 AM PST up reply actions
I'm perfectly happy that the Angels passed on this contract.
Not so happy that Boston didn’t though. It hurts the Angels strategically in the rest of the offseason, and Boston will be fielding an absolute beast of a team.
It does suggest, again, that Reagins is in way over his head. You won’t find a single comment from me pining for Crawford this offseason, but it’s clear he was the Angels primary target, and Reagins got pantsed.
Hopefully it works out for us. Personally, my top two targets have been Beltre and Dunn all along. Dunn got scooped up with little resistance. I do hope we won’t let Beltre go to another AL West team.
by Turks Teeth on Dec 8, 2010 10:17 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
How did Reagins get pantsed?
I’m not happy about this either but I also recognize Crawford isn’t all that either and certainly not over 20 million a year that.
Maybe the press likes making stuff up and Reagins is just going about his business.
But yeah we better get Beltre.
I read that.
Then you said Reagins got pantsed. Explain.
PANTED? Here is how
He had a strategy. The whole world changed. He stuck to that strategy. He got pansted and they are laughing at him.
There is a party tonight, the cool kids are not wearing their belts
Jayson Werth pulls the pants down of the Nationals GM
Theo puts on a belt and goes to the party
Tony walks in with no belt, that is his strategy. HE gets pantsed. By Theo. Werth and Boras are laughing. Tony now has to buy a BELTre for way too much form Boras before he can go home.
by Rev Halofan on Dec 8, 2010 10:27 PM PST up reply actions 3 recs
A BELTre that has not been available for years
and the best available BELTre
go long with extenze...i do
by angelsownredsux on Dec 9, 2010 12:36 AM PST up reply actions
Is it really not clear that Crawford was the #1 FO target?
Screw the fact that it was national media consensus. It was also the local media consensus and the Angels media consensus. Hunter had assurances from the FO that it was all but done. Every LA beat writer had comments from the FO that this was the guy.
I’m glad that we didn’t pay through the nose for Crawford, but it’s frankly in the realm of conspiracy to suggest Reagins didn’t want him.
But the man was also the last dude to show up at the Meetings, claimed he could do it all with his Blackberry and that “face-to-face” time with players was non-essential. There’s still a social element to this game — there’s showmanship, and there’s strategy. Reagins doesn’t get it.
Now, if he wants Beltre, he’ll have to pay more, because he has less leverage that he’s had all season, and Texas is willing to enter the dance just to screw with him and drive up the price.
Gotcha
I just wanted to clarify you just hate Reagins and aren’t really talking about Crawford.
It sounds like Crawford simply cost to much. That’s my take anyway.
20 mill for 5 would have been great
Guarantee you the Sox will be stuck with 2010-style-Figgins for at least 4 of those seasons.
I have no hate for Reagins.
I’d gladly drink a scotch with the man.
But he has no place helming a major-market MLB team with aspirations of contending year in and year out. He doesn’t have a background for it, and his years as a player development guy are proving to be some of the drier years in recent Halos player development history.
by Turks Teeth on Dec 8, 2010 10:36 PM PST up reply actions 4 recs
How do we know he lost the social game?
Did he really get pantsed, or did he just walk away from a foolish decision? We don’t know right now, and probably never will.
what you are asking then really is
did he wear a speedo on purpose, knowing he would be pantsed and that the ladies would be looking?
The Angels have made several ridiculously large offers in recent years.
After successful seasons no less. Not just Hunter and GMJ. But Soriano, Teixeira, Sabathia, etc. They pay out — they just come up short.
I don’t buy for a minute that it was a money issue. I think Reagins got worked. I’m constantly surprised at the blank check the fanbase is willing to grant this man for the benefit of the doubt.
Dude, this is the guy that just gave Mathis a raise. And you think he can assert himself?
I have issues with Reagins
But the only thing we know right now is that he didn’t just do something incredibly stupid. Maybe he did it because he was smart enough not to, or maybe it was because someone else didn’t give him the chance to be his stupid self. We don’t know. With this much money on the line, I have no doubt it was solely his call to make anyways.
I seriously doubt that Tony is the only decision-maker in the FO
That Mathis thing has Soth’s fingerprints all over it. So far he has been hit and miss, but he is certainly not Ned Coletti or Brian Sabean.
I took your stash.
No -- but he doesn't appear to possess a trump card, either.
A GM shouldn’t be just a puppet of the owner and the coach. What’s the point? It’s just a sign of organizational weakness.
You're right, he shouldn't, but that is just the reality of this FO.
From all indications, power in the FO is fragmented, with Soth and Tony having an equal say on most matters.
You can’t penalize him for things that are out of his control. I imagine the Crawford negotiations going something like:
Arte: "Crawford wants how much? Oh fuck that!
Tony: “Right boss. On to Plan D”
Soth: “Where’s the lasagna?”
I took your stash.
And I don't think Coletti has been any worse that Reagins.
Sabean just took his team to the WS.
How is Reagins in your estimation more successful than those two?
For one
He hasn’t given out a Barry Zito-like contract or traded a top 10 prospect for a rental player.
The Giants won the World Series in spite of Sabean’s stupid moves. Even a complete dolt can luck out and win the lottery.
I took your stash.
Sabean has the ninth highest winning % of all GMs since 1950.
8 of 12 winning seasons, after 5 of 6 losing seasons under previous management, and he took his team to the WS twice in a single decade.
There’s not a lot of evidence that Sabean is a failed manager. In fact, the exact opposite. He’s been very successful for the Giants.
He greatly benefited from having one of the greatest hitters of all time
during his roiding prime on his roster. You can’t sit there and tell me with a straight face that the man who traded Liriano, Nathan, and Bonser for A.J. Pierzynski or gave millions to Aaron Rowand is a good GM.
Citing winning a GM’s winning % is just as ridiculous as citing it for a SP. I don’t buy and neither do Giants fans, who have known for a long time that this guy is an idiot. If his teams hadn’t been so terrible mid-decade, they never would have had a chance to draft Lincecum, Cain, and Bumgarner
I took your stash.
And they drafted well.
I don’t buy the myth of the solo slugger.
And no, winning %s for managers are not at all like those for starting pitchers. In fact, the exact opposite.
Starting pitcher wins are credited to them based on the entire team’s performance. Meanwhile, a GM has to build an entire team, and you’re making the argument that an entire team is reducible to a single player (Bonds).
Ironically, you just used the same flawed logic for SP wins obversely to describe what a GM does.
Sabean took the draft so seriously
He decided he’d rather have guys like Michael Tucker and Armando Benitez than first-round picks. The Giants didn’t pick up Lincecum, Bumgarner, or Posey until after their record tanked, and Sabean couldn’t give back his first-rounders even if he wanted to. Sabean could have lost those guys by signing Barry Zito, Matt Morris, and Aaron Rowand without draft protection.
The same could be said of the Halos in 2003.
How can you really say that Sabean would have lost those picks if he didn’t have draft protection — you’re the guy avoiding theoreticals with Reagins. He HAD draft protection, and made free agent selections when he still could net first round picks. It’s exactly what the Angels are trying to do this season, and Reagins already tried to offer a 100M+ Zito-like contract to a guy who’s never hit 20HRs in his career.
Sabean has made his mistakes — but there are plenty of teams with tons of high first round picks who’ve failed to field winning teams. Sabean isn’t among them. So he made some bad FA deals, and had four losing seasons. He rebounded pretty nicely, and still had twice as many winning teams as losing in his latest tenure.
That's why I said *could*
Although after burning picks on Tucker and Benitez, I don’t see why it would have dissuaded him from Zito and Rowand. But regardless, after five years rehearsing this material with fans in the Bay Area, I’m just not giving in Brian Sabean.
But it's getting late, and I didn't really think I'd be defending Sabean in this thread.
I’ll probably regret it later.
Its 3:51 over here
But I have a take-home exam full of tedious quantum field theory to keep me awake.
Yikes.
Well, I’m going to go bunch and antibunch my pillows while creating a thermal field next to my gently snoring spouse.
Find some time to sleep, pal.
You must get your quantum crap from the Tarot readers
New Agers really dig quantum physics. Too bad they have no idea what it is.
I'm an Old Ager
card me and find out!
But anyway, I believe that Dog does not play Lice with the Universe.
You're more generous than I am with the man.
I just know this is the guy that made the Kazmir deal, signed Fuentes and Rodney for ridiculous money while letting Oliver walk for fear of having to pay him 3.5M in arb. He guts the pitching depth for pieces like Callaspo, and gives Abreu an option year for 2012 that is ridiculously easy to reach. Meanwhile he fumbles on most of his free agent targets, and presided over one of the worst years in a decade (last).
Before this, he was the head of player development for the part of the decade where we struggled to develop a player of note from the draft up.
He’s made two even money deals with Pineiro and Haren, and it’s not like Haren came cheap. It cost us two of best three pitching prospects, and we’ll pay him almost 13M this season to pitch for us.
He ain’t Epstein or Beane — not even close.
by Turks Teeth on Dec 8, 2010 10:58 PM PST up reply actions 4 recs
You seem to be saying
If Tony really wanted Crawford and did his job competently, then he would have got him. I think there are way too many possible counter-examples to that syllogism, the truth of which may never be known.
But as I said, I have issues with Reagins. It’s undeniable that dumb shit has happened under his watch, although most of that dumb shit involves “small money.” However, he has made some reasonable no-calls, like letting Lackey, Figgins, and K-Rod walk.
His background is really irrelevant. The baseball business is a country club with different standards for competence than the rest of the world. Even if it is from Yale, Epstein holds a freaking American Studies degree, and he made it in the door the same way everyone else does. Theo is now the one on the hook to pay $20+ million to Carl Crawford in 2017.
Again, I’ve been as outraged as anyone about Mathis, more outraged than most about Rodney, etc. My opinion of Reagins is currently negative, although I’m still evaluating him. What happened tonight might not be a feather in his cap, but it certainly is not a black eye.
Start reading the media details that are emerging.
The Angels had already made a seven year, $108M offer, and were readying another. The Red Sox swept in, offered a few more million more a year, and CC took it. The FO is shell-shocked; they were outmaneuvered.
You weren’t cool with 7 years, and you weren’t cool with 100M+. So you can’t be cool with that initial offer, or pat Tony on the back for failing to raise when he was just an out-of-towner when the event took place.
Again, we can both happy with this result. But I think you’re confusing slowmanship with showmanship. Reagins didn’t willfully flip his cards. He bid high and then went to dinner in Arkansas. By the time he got back, the deal was done.
I can't really explain it any more clearly
And I’m not so fond of Tony Reagins that I feel compelled to defend him. But I don’t think there’s anything to be confused about here. I would be feeling much more negatively about the man if he had engineered this contract than I am feeling now that he hasn’t. I don’t know why he hasn’t, but he still has an opportunity to stanch this team’s severed artery. In other words, I will reassess my feelings after the Beltre saga plays itself out.
We'll see.
But I look at it like this:
Two boys were running around with a book of matches in hayloft, and one boy set it afire first. I can’t pat the back of the slow boy because he didn’t take the title of arsonist-in-chief.
Reagins did his best to sign a bad contract. You’re crediting him for his failure to do so. It actually mitigates the former disappointment to a degree for you.
What I see is a man who tried to sign a bad contract AND failed to do so, and I find both disappointing. It’s like a dot product of two vectors of sorrow.
6/108 is not a bad contract...
7/142 probably is.
Dot product of two vectors of sorrow
That’s a beautiful line, and I should try to make use of it in enlightened company. Your perspective is reasonable. My thinking is roughly thus:
I was expecting Reagins to offer a bad contract. He did. I was fearful he would offer a totally ludicrous contract. Now that it’s impossible to know if he would have, unless he says so directly, I at least have no positive evidence that his baseball acumen is not any worse than I already expected.
However, I am upset with him for apparently napping on DeJesus, although he probably closed that door on himself by giving Dayton his choice of sub-prime pitching prospects in exchange for Alberto Callaspo. Now there’s no excuse to not get Beltre, or do something productive with third base. If he doesn’t, I’ll buy a round while we take turns throwing darts at Tony’s graduation photo.
Reagins' high opinion of his own talent
The Don thought he could show up fashionably late to the winter meetings with his bag of gold, but only offered Crawford the same per year as Jayson Werth got and for fewer years? That’s crazy.
Just about everyone in the media had CC going to LAA, but in the final analysis Reagins’ offer was only 2/3 of what CC got from Boston. That’s not a close second. That’s not even in the ballpark.
I agree Turks
I know that the Crawford deal is a hugely overpaid one, but it still remains that more often than not, we don’t sign our own FAs, can’t sign good FAs under Reagins except Hunter and besides the Haren trade a lot of busts. Couple that with the fact that the people we DO offer a contract to is the worst postiion player maybe ever in the game in Jeff Mathis, and Brandon Wood, and a shaky over paid closer, and a LF/RF in Abreu who suddenly forgot how to hit.
FAIL
How come when players go to Texas they revitalize their careers? could it be the roids?
by Sinatrasratpack on Dec 9, 2010 4:05 AM PST up reply actions
I'd just like to point out
The Red Sox just signed a 4 WAR player to the 6th largest free-agent contract of all time, which happens to include his 36th birthday.
There’s nothing to be done about that. No one but New York and Boston can afford this kind of decadence.
Time to move on.
You're mistaken
Nobody but New York, Boston, and the freaking Washington Nationals can afford that kind of decadence.
I'm still wondering about that.
Did they blow their entire budget on that one purchase?
THIS… IS… ANAHEIM!!
They must be. What they paid was insane,
but I was unaware that they had the kind of budget to provide a team to complement that purchase.
THIS… IS… ANAHEIM!!
Obviously, come April
they’re going to hold “Play alongside Jayson Werth Day” as a recurring promotion
"Bearded ladies get in for free day",
I believe that’s a red sux thing.
YOU DON'T KNOW THE POWER OF THE DARKSIDE.....
I wonder if "Nat Nation" will become a bunch of pink hat wearing douche's too?
YOU DON'T KNOW THE POWER OF THE DARKSIDE.....
Hee!
Jebus. I guess he’ll sell a few season tickets for the team, but what a place to get stuck regardless of the money.
THIS… IS… ANAHEIM!!
That's the way they spin it
But paying “anyone” that kind of money is what keeps other players out of DC. It’s a vicious circle.
Maybe the Nationals are starring in the sequel to "Brewster's Millions."
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by The_Question on Dec 8, 2010 10:55 PM PST up reply actions
These grapes don't even taste right.
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by sheisalovelyladyandmyapologiestoher on Dec 8, 2010 10:20 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
Plan B?
Beltre? I’m just not sold on a guy that hits .270 every year his contract isn’t expiring.
Does anyone else
have a feeling that Bourjos is going to go all Kendry Morales on us and make us feel better about passing on CC?
RIP Nick Adenhart 4/9/09
I'd take him going Torii Hunter on us
as long as it’s not going Reggie Willits on us
by Raaddad on Dec 8, 2010 10:26 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Not in 2011
"Mike Scioscia?! Didn't you get radiation poisoning?"
"I sure did. And it gave me super managing powers!"
by Zoe Necrosis on Dec 8, 2010 10:38 PM PST up reply actions
Waiter, there's something wrong with these grapes!
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by sheisalovelyladyandmyapologiestoher on Dec 8, 2010 10:27 PM PST reply actions
trAditionally sour
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by sheisalovelyladyandmyapologiestoher on Dec 8, 2010 10:30 PM PST up reply actions
Lee=7/175
Man, this would make the best off-season even better.
They want power. We want respect...
by SenorChuckles on Dec 9, 2010 12:09 AM PST up reply actions
I like your thinking young man.
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by sheisalovelyladyandmyapologiestoher on Dec 8, 2010 10:31 PM PST up reply actions
Take a chance on this guy
He shouldnt cost to much
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by mathisrocks5 on Dec 8, 2010 10:33 PM PST up reply actions
why not?
him and Aybar will make a matching set of rock boxes
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by sheisalovelyladyandmyapologiestoher on Dec 8, 2010 10:33 PM PST up reply actions
Well, i'm truly shocked.
We didn’t land CC the outfielder. But did anyone honestly think we would? I knew once it became known that Crawford wanted an outrageous contract, that we wouldn’t sign him. And to be honest, I’m not upset at all. Whether because Arte is a little gun shy, or we’re smart enough to avoid an outlandish contract (GMJ not withstanding) that only teams the like of the skanks and sux seem to be able to, or feel inclined to offer. Well, it looks like Beltre becomes the focus of our off season, and maybe Soriano. But to be honest, I doubt we sign them either. Bring on Kevin Kouzmanoff and Kevin Gregg, it’s trAdition! In the very least, I think we should extend WTY and Kowbell. Might as well use the money we supposedly were going to use on Crawford.
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Now those two represent a sound investment
and we’re going to have to pay mucho dinero to make that happen, eh bro?
Of course Raaddad,
They’ll cost us a ton of money bro, but after all, aren’t Kevin Kouzmanoff and Kevin Gregg worth it? ;)
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Sad but true.
Chances are, when all is said and done, we probably won’t do dick, in terms of signing a quality FA. Bring on the mediocre FA’s, that the front office will pass off as “premium” talent. I haven’t felt this bad since the Anita Bryant concert.
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I never thought the Sox were out of it
This seems like an annual ritual for the Angels — always the bridesmaid, never the bride. Not sure whether the Sox will move Ellsbury, Cameron, or neither, but damn, they are scary right now.
I guess we’re all hoping for Beltre now. I think we should get Soriano too, but with Boras representing both that will not be cheap or easy.
by Brody on Dec 9, 2010 5:08 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
Me too, I thought he'd be a Yanker.
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VLAD
I’ve given up hopes of winning another ring or signing a big time free agent, at least bring back Vlad and make the team interesting.
If we are going to lose again, I’d at least like to see Vlad play his final days as a halo.
by The Blake Griffin Era on Dec 8, 2010 10:35 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
me too
him and beltre would fix the offense
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by mathisrocks5 on Dec 8, 2010 10:36 PM PST up reply actions
Vlad would be cool
and while we’re at it: Bring back Hud, dammit!
by Raaddad on Dec 8, 2010 10:37 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
rec
an announcement of the return of Hud right now would certainly lessen my bitterness level.
another BT coming
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by 2pintsofbooze on Dec 8, 2010 10:39 PM PST up reply actions
bong toke
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by 2pintsofbooze on Dec 8, 2010 10:46 PM PST up reply actions
aaaaaannnnnd
another one down
see you all on the moon
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by 2pintsofbooze on Dec 8, 2010 10:51 PM PST up reply actions
HUD
channels a mystic level of cosmic synergy that engulfs and transforms all factions of the Halo community into epic greatness. Besides, he cracks me up.
Boston? Really???
time for a BT
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I hope we dont rush Trout because of this
We cant ruin him, hes a Crawford in the making
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His upside is significantly higher than Crawford's
Anything other than a 1-2 year stop gap is unnecessary because of him.
I took your stash.
Waiting for the next Messiah.
trAdition!
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by sheisalovelyladyandmyapologiestoher on Dec 8, 2010 10:39 PM PST up reply actions
Nice...
This message endorsed by the bring back a starting infield of Dallas McPherson, Brandon Wood, Howie Kendrick and Casey Kotchman and Jeff Mathis future mega-stars committee
true dat
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by sheisalovelyladyandmyapologiestoher on Dec 8, 2010 10:44 PM PST up reply actions
Trout
By the time Trout is an impact player (if that ever happens) we will have lost Weaver and Morales to free agency, this is getting ridiculous.
Baseball needs a cap.
by The Blake Griffin Era on Dec 8, 2010 10:42 PM PST up reply actions
how the hell would we lose them
it looks like we are saving money now
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by mathisrocks5 on Dec 8, 2010 10:44 PM PST up reply actions
Boras
both are Boras guys, I’m sure the Nats or some other shitty team will give them a Werth or Burnett type offer that we can’t match
by The Blake Griffin Era on Dec 8, 2010 10:45 PM PST up reply actions
Can I borrow your crystal ball?
They want power. We want respect...
by SenorChuckles on Dec 9, 2010 12:11 AM PST up reply actions
I can just see it now.
Tony: We feel we made a competative offer to Carl, squirrel!!"
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by sheisalovelyladyandmyapologiestoher on Dec 8, 2010 10:36 PM PST reply actions
Please Don't Sign Beltre
I’m just so worried we’re gonna get the Mariners version of Beltre. If anything, let’s just wrap up Soriano.
by AybarIsTheNewFiggy on Dec 8, 2010 10:36 PM PST reply actions
Torii said it.
“You gotta have nuts!”
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by sheisalovelyladyandmyapologiestoher on Dec 8, 2010 10:42 PM PST up reply actions
Ask a thirteen year old girl
when she gets bumped in the boobs. That’s some pain too.
THIS… IS… ANAHEIM!!
It's not as bad has having your things injured the way this idiot did,
but it’s about equal to getting kneed.
THIS… IS… ANAHEIM!!
hahahaha!
Gotta go. Have to get up reeeally early tomorrow to take Dad someplace.
THIS… IS… ANAHEIM!!
Didn't the man finish the game hurt?
Sign him, sign him good.
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by SenorChuckles on Dec 9, 2010 12:12 AM PST up reply actions
This is why we wear cups.
by Christoffer James V Ferreira on Dec 9, 2010 12:59 AM PST up reply actions
Sorry, I was referring to my self since being an active player. But I assume everyone else wearing a cup when discussing baseball online, it’s comfy.
sign Beltre.
by Christoffer James V Ferreira on Dec 9, 2010 1:18 AM PST up reply actions
We might get the Mariners' version of Beltre
if Angel Stadium were to somehow be remodeled with Safeco’s dimensions.
I took your stash.
The Mariners' version of Beltre
…played Gold Glove caliber defense and solid, if unspectacular, offense considering the environment. Which is a massive upgrade over what we currently have at 3B.
If I stay within my mechanics, I can turn the corner and build upon this success.
by The_Question on Dec 8, 2010 10:59 PM PST up reply actions
Beltre 20 HR’s, 79 RBI, and .266 BA over 5 years playing half his games in terrible hitters park. Those are All Star numbers compared to who they have in house.
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by LAAngelsInsider on Dec 8, 2010 11:31 PM PST up reply actions
For the low low low price of Six Years 120 million dollars.
I brought sexy back, but they only gave me store credit....
To remind everyone, we are getting Kendry Morales back.
or have you guys forgotten who he is?
RIP Nick Adenhart 4/9/09
Maybe we are
And maybe we’re getting just a taunting reminder of what our great defector could have been
"Mike Scioscia?! Didn't you get radiation poisoning?"
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by Zoe Necrosis on Dec 8, 2010 10:39 PM PST up reply actions
Yay
he can join the mediocre infield and declining outfield bats to maybe make the offense average.
Plus this is more about the Red Sox than the Angels
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Kendry Morales? Who's that?
Didn’t he star with Lou Diamond Phillips in the movie “La Bamba”?
YOU DON'T KNOW THE POWER OF THE DARKSIDE.....
they'll really
be utilizing his great defense and speed in front of that wall.
what a f’n joke
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It's a great point!
Why the hell would they sign Carl Crawford toplay the left field?
soley so they can
keep up with the joneses…er, I mean Steinbrenners.
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by 2pintsofbooze on Dec 8, 2010 10:56 PM PST up reply actions
You know, we haven't won a division title since we let Physioc go.
Coincidence? I think so.
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by sheisalovelyladyandmyapologiestoher on Dec 8, 2010 10:39 PM PST reply actions
I think you mean
WRECKS
"Mike Scioscia?! Didn't you get radiation poisoning?"
"I sure did. And it gave me super managing powers!"
by Zoe Necrosis on Dec 8, 2010 10:40 PM PST up reply actions
I have to give it to Theo and Boston
Every year they come out of the gate hard and make it known that they want to win. What can I say, sometimes a tight lipped GM gets on my nerves. Yeah, they overpaid and they have a scary line up. Something tells me Theo showed up on time to the meetings and he has made it really well known who he wanted. I hate them more than anything but I have to give credit where credit is due.
You called it, Rev, another off season of bold promises and no results.
Tim Salmon: The once and future Kingfish.
Reagins: I'm a sexual dynamo!
20 seconds later….sorry baby, that has never happened to me before
by grahams98 on Dec 8, 2010 10:50 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I learned something today
It actually IS possible for me to hate the Red Sox more today than I did yesterday…
by AybarIsTheNewFiggy on Dec 8, 2010 10:45 PM PST reply actions
My December F bomb.
I’ve hated those fuckers since ’86. Fuck booston, fuck chowder, and fuck pink hats!
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Thanks this wound wasn't quite painful enough...
the salt really helps.
Look at it this way bro,
I was just pointing out that us losing Crawford to the sux today may sting a bit, but our hatred of all things booston goes much deeper. Screw ’em. And screw Crawford too. Enjoy snow on the ground opening day Carl!
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by halofolife on Dec 8, 2010 11:01 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Realistically
We have to prepare for the very real scenario that Lee signs with Texas, we dont make the playoffs again and then trade Weaver and go into a rebuilding mode.
This team isnt that good and has a small window to win. No prospects coming up anytime soon that will dramatically impact the club and the only player who will be on the payroll in two years who is decent is Morales.
Rebuilding mode is near.
I brought sexy back, but they only gave me store credit....
haha, your hilarious
it was one bad season
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by mathisrocks5 on Dec 8, 2010 10:48 PM PST up reply actions
you guys overreact
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by mathisrocks5 on Dec 8, 2010 10:49 PM PST up reply actions
I feel as though your user name
captures your analysis of this off season thus far.
Tim Salmon: The once and future Kingfish.
by Teixeira Who? on Dec 8, 2010 10:55 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
For a while
a component of our success was a crappy AL West which is no longer the case. Howie has platooned, Aybar took a big step back from mediocre, whether or not Bourjos will develop into a quality hitter is uncertain, Torii regressed back to his mean and looks to have lost a step, Abreu declined and likely wont have more than a minor bounce back, Mathis seems to have a bigger role than Napoli, Rivera isnt really that good….unless there is a major change it is easy to see what he means.
Plus we haven’t exactly been the best at developing good major league hitters…like Phi said, Texas is younger and better
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No prospects coming up anytime soon that will dramatically impact the club
So Trout, Amarista, Richards, Chatwood, Moore, Segura, Pettit mean nothing to you. All these guys could be up by 2012
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by mathisrocks5 on Dec 8, 2010 10:51 PM PST up reply actions
what about 2011?
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by sheisalovelyladyandmyapologiestoher on Dec 8, 2010 10:52 PM PST up reply actions
we are fine if we get a cheap LF and Kendry is healthy
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by mathisrocks5 on Dec 8, 2010 10:53 PM PST up reply actions
define fine
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by sheisalovelyladyandmyapologiestoher on Dec 8, 2010 10:54 PM PST up reply actions
In the race with texas the whole season
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by mathisrocks5 on Dec 8, 2010 10:55 PM PST up reply actions
I forgot Conger and Reckling
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by mathisrocks5 on Dec 8, 2010 10:54 PM PST up reply actions
You love our farm system more than the FO does.
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by sheisalovelyladyandmyapologiestoher on Dec 8, 2010 10:54 PM PST up reply actions
Aybar is not a bust
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by mathisrocks5 on Dec 8, 2010 10:56 PM PST up reply actions
He's a bust as far as his bat goes.
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Conger is next season's
Buster Posey.
a rookie catcher leading his team of solid pitching and meager offense to the WS title.
BOOK IT
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by 2pintsofbooze on Dec 8, 2010 10:57 PM PST up reply actions
Texas is better and younger.
The Red Sox are just plain more talented.
Look at the “talent” we have offensively:
Aybar
Kendrick
Bourjos
Rivera
Wood/Callaspo
Mathis
Awesome. How the hell can you expect to win when you have 2/3rds of your lineup who have no idea how to walk, hit, or do anything of value at the plate?
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by PhiSlamma on Dec 8, 2010 10:55 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
As much as I hate them
the bosox are great at developing players, Ellsbury, Pedroia, Buchholz, Lester, Kalish, they always have a great farm. they arent like the yankees who can develop anyone and just sign big FA
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im talking recently
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by mathisrocks5 on Dec 8, 2010 10:54 PM PST up reply actions
other than hughes and cano, there nobody
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by mathisrocks5 on Dec 8, 2010 10:55 PM PST up reply actions
Austen Jackson, Brett Gardner?
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by sheisalovelyladyandmyapologiestoher on Dec 8, 2010 10:55 PM PST up reply actions
Hughes benefitted from the
highest run support of anyone SP last season. his record is hollow. he will not be the next Clemens like they have said.
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by 2pintsofbooze on Dec 8, 2010 10:59 PM PST up reply actions
Lowrie, Bard and Youkilis ain't bad either!
I make 9 millions a year for doin' NOTHING b***h! Now, Who's the loser?
We blew it
7/140 is not beyond the pale, certainly not in the way the Werth contract was. Crawford has been consistently a very good, near All-Star player, averaging 3.7 WAR the last 7 seasons, and he had by far his best offensive season in 2010. He’s only going to be league-age 35 at the end of this. Go look at his best comps — Lou Brock, Max Carey, Zack Wheat, Luis Gonzales — all of these guys were contributing in their early 30s, and most were in fact peaking.
Signing Crawford through his age-35 season would have meant we would almost certainly have the best OF defense for at least a half-decade, while our staff was anchored by an extreme flyball pitcher in a marine layer park. Now we have what, Juan Rivera? This is a failure.
by mattwelch on Dec 8, 2010 10:51 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
Nailed it.
Tim Salmon: The once and future Kingfish.
by Teixeira Who? on Dec 8, 2010 10:54 PM PST up reply actions
The Front Office is more comfortable overspending on mediocre players than whiffing on a good player.
Hey GMJ only cost 50 million. Thats a smaller number then 140 million!
I brought sexy back, but they only gave me store credit....
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by mattwelch on Dec 8, 2010 11:19 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Ok who hacked Matt Welch's account?
seriously this is crazy talk. We missed out on one FA here, and frankly he isn’t a tier one FA based on his stats. The offseason has just started. I’m willing to eviscerate Reagins if 2012 is a total flop but I’m gonna give him a little bit of a leash to see what he does.
hauldog will go ape shit.
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by SenorChuckles on Dec 9, 2010 12:15 AM PST up reply actions
I don't think refraining from severely overpaying a guy is whiffing
I think you’re over-rating Crawford by quite a bit. Yeah, he should retain his value better than a slower, poor defense guy, but chances are that last year was his absolute peak.
I would have loved to see him in the OF, but I think the Angels have higher priorities for that much money. I’m glad they didn’t spend that much on Crawford.
Defending maligned chants since 2009
I don't understand
In 9.5 seasons, Crawford has not accumulated $142 million in WAR, even with the more favorable Fangraphs WAR. How is he going to do that over the next seven seasons, none of which include his statistical prime?
There’s almost zero chance the Red Sox come close to breaking even on this deal. That doesn’t bother them as much, because they’re the Red Sox. Conventional baseball economics don’t really apply to them.
I don’t see how avoiding perilous liability is a failure on the part of the Angels. Risk-averse behavior, perhaps, but not unreasonable.
Dude, you should be busy hi-fiving Tony Reagins right now
The Angels have a lousy LF situation; Crawford will almost certainly play some of the best LF in the league for the next 5 years minimum. It really isn’t any more complicated than that.
It really is more complicated
The situation in LF is not half as lousy as the situation at 3B. Meanwhile, this is the second-largest contract for an outfielder ever. Think about that. Would Lou Brock be worth that much money today?
Incidentally, the Red Sox are also responsible for the largest ever contract for an outfielder. His fielding was worse than shit, -50 runs across eight seasons, but he delivered 400 runs above replacement with just his bat.
uhhh.....
The third base problem is a lack of offense, the left field problem is a lack of DEFENSE. Virtually every single hit to left field last year resulted in extra bases. Left field is a greater need.
Not true
93 doubles and 1 triple out of 371 hits to left field is nowhere close to “virtually every single hit.” There’s no doubt that the Angels’ LF defense was bad: Abreu, Rivera, and Willits were probably about 10-15 runs worse than average out there. But with batting factored in, the Angels got somewhere between 1.5 and 2.5 total WAR out of their left fielders. Of course that’s not good, but when the Angels actually lost about 1.5 WAR at third base, they stand a lot to gain a lot more from a 4 WAR 3B than a 4 WAR LF.
by Suboptimal on Dec 9, 2010 10:24 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Ding, ding!
Beltre has been my top target all along with Crawford second. I kind of figured the team had it reversed, but now they don’t have much choice.
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by Commander_Nate on Dec 9, 2010 10:48 AM PST up reply actions
They didn't raise their payroll
This was the money they spent on Lowell and me. Gonzalez will be paid 6.5 mill next season and after that, they’ll have another 55 millions coming off the books (Ortiz, Papelbum, Drew Scutaro and Cameron).
Actually, their payroll will DECREASE! God I hate ’em!
I make 9 millions a year for doin' NOTHING b***h! Now, Who's the loser?
I bet this thread goes beyond 1000 posts before Reagins even knows CC signed with BOS...
Dear diary,
Had a good day today (as always). Carl Crawford in the bag. Great offer: still leaves us money to burn. So confident I’m going to bed early, turning off cell and already unplugged the hotel phone (of course).
—Tony R.
Just normal Business....
This owner & management can’t close a deal( Torii was the last, so called big deal), What about all the " huge" cash influx which they didn’t spend!!!! Any comment from Torii yet???
Torii is taking Tequila shots and slamming head into his car door.
but other than that he’s doing ok
"Hey man, you know man, I gotta give it to my boy Carl.
Shoot, man, that’s a lot of money, man. I can’t wait to see him in the post season, man. I’m going to rob him of a hit. A HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. Nah, man, you know how we do." – Torii (probably)
Tim Salmon: The once and future Kingfish.
by Teixeira Who? on Dec 8, 2010 10:57 PM PST up reply actions
ha
black people talk
go long with extenze...i do
by angelsownredsux on Dec 9, 2010 1:09 AM PST up reply actions
Draft Pick
If we sign Beltre or Soriano do we have to give up a draft pick?
I know we were on the bubble regarding our record and compensation
by The Blake Griffin Era on Dec 8, 2010 10:57 PM PST reply actions
Not a first rounder
Just a second rounder.
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by Commander_Nate on Dec 8, 2010 10:59 PM PST up reply actions
To an extent, I agree
I was down to give Crawford a little ways over 100 mil…but over $50 mil more than Torii got? I don’t know about that.
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by Commander_Nate on Dec 8, 2010 11:08 PM PST up reply actions
Dear Commander Nate:
That shot is looking more and more likely in your near future.
Respectfully Yours,
Phi
I brought sexy back, but they only gave me store credit....
craving the malibu rum, are you?
DAMN YOU BOSTON!!!!
"If this was America, you'd have a radar gun, and right now it would read 101" - Kenny Powers
by 2pintsofbooze on Dec 8, 2010 11:00 PM PST up reply actions
Dear Phi
At this point, I hope you’re right.
PS: Your bear can suck my balls…this is his fault.
That is all.
Commander_Nate
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by Commander_Nate on Dec 8, 2010 11:01 PM PST up reply actions
New #1 Target
Albert Puljos in 2012. The quote will be “The Angel’s front office is focused to put together the best offer within reason that we can”….media reports have the Angels as a front runner though the Yankees may a have “some interest” according to sources
I can't wait to sign
Puljos!
RIP Nick Adenhart 4/9/09
by vlad IS my man on Dec 8, 2010 11:00 PM PST up reply actions
Right. Then we offer him 5/80 and say it was a fair offer.
After gloating how we will make a splash the front office will yet again be competitive in the FA market.
I brought sexy back, but they only gave me store credit....
Yanks offer pujols $260 million for 10 years
Angels offer $100 million for 5 years
in a stunner, Pujols picks the Yanks!
"If this was America, you'd have a radar gun, and right now it would read 101" - Kenny Powers
by 2pintsofbooze on Dec 8, 2010 11:02 PM PST up reply actions
"We made a fair offer that we thought was good enough. For some reason he picked the contract with double the years and money."
I brought sexy back, but they only gave me store credit....
I have no faith in this front office.
"If he raced his pregnant wife he'd finish third"
Tommy Lasorda on catcher Mike Scioscia
by sheisalovelyladyandmyapologiestoher on Dec 8, 2010 11:00 PM PST up reply actions
no faith in the guy who got us Haren, Hunter and Teixeria?
We cant get everybody
If you didn't know by now, my screen name is sarcastic
by mathisrocks5 on Dec 8, 2010 11:01 PM PST up reply actions
Great Point
I guess we are all fired up, hopefully he comes through
by The Blake Griffin Era on Dec 8, 2010 11:02 PM PST up reply actions
you're right, they can't get everyone
but it would be nice to get the one guy the media, front office and Torii Hunter have been shoving down our throat for the past 3 months.
"If this was America, you'd have a radar gun, and right now it would read 101" - Kenny Powers
by 2pintsofbooze on Dec 8, 2010 11:03 PM PST up reply actions
I'm with ya.
"If he raced his pregnant wife he'd finish third"
Tommy Lasorda on catcher Mike Scioscia
by sheisalovelyladyandmyapologiestoher on Dec 8, 2010 11:04 PM PST up reply actions
Come on man.
We can’t get everybody? We can’t get anybody!
"If he raced his pregnant wife he'd finish third"
Tommy Lasorda on catcher Mike Scioscia
by sheisalovelyladyandmyapologiestoher on Dec 8, 2010 11:03 PM PST up reply actions
I'm so tired of this argument
Yes, this front office has signed good players in the past as well as some duds (see GMJ). Our FO is great at making trades yet can’t seem to figure out how a check book works. How about, for a change, we give up a lot of money for a great player instead of potential talent for a great player? I’m just so tired of watching other teams nab players from right under Tony’s nose. Do you want to know a secret? We got away with this because the AL West sucked. Now, it doesn’t suck. Therefore, our FO needs to not suck.
QED
Tim Salmon: The once and future Kingfish.
by Teixeira Who? on Dec 8, 2010 11:09 PM PST up reply actions
Or in mathis
Somehow I cant get past the errors, past balls, stolen bases and .190 batting average.
Not that much different than the front office. Suck is suck. Having faith in suck to be good is just dumb.
by Balls and Strikes on Dec 9, 2010 2:13 AM PST up reply actions
Not surprised we didn't get him.
But the thought of him in a Red Sox jersey makes me puke.
WTY's ERA+ = 135 I WIN!!!!!
by Figgi4life on Dec 8, 2010 11:01 PM PST via mobile reply actions
You all want to know the worst part?
This makes Tony look like a real limp dick. This deal was practically done. Come on, this makes Anaheim look bad. This is our time to conquer LA. and to become a permanent fixture amongst the big teams in the league. Let’s not blow it.
Tim Salmon: The once and future Kingfish.
Its like he strutted in, winking at people.
Being like, “Yo bros, on the way to sign Crawford, move out of the way”. Walks into the room with CC’s agent and is like:
Ok, lets get this done. How does 2 years, 20 million sound! BAM! Sign here.
And everyone looks at him like he is a fucking moron.
Thats what happened this week. We are that guy.
I brought sexy back, but they only gave me store credit....
LLOL!!!
so true, and so sad
"If this was America, you'd have a radar gun, and right now it would read 101" - Kenny Powers
by 2pintsofbooze on Dec 8, 2010 11:06 PM PST up reply actions
ROFL.
Reagins walks out saying, “haters gonna hate.”
They want power. We want respect...
by SenorChuckles on Dec 9, 2010 12:19 AM PST up reply actions
Manny Vlad or Matsui
http://espn.go.com/blog/los-angeles/angels/post/_/id/1165/whats-next-for-the-angels
another fixture at DH
by The Blake Griffin Era on Dec 8, 2010 11:03 PM PST reply actions
oh god, help us!
"If he raced his pregnant wife he'd finish third"
Tommy Lasorda on catcher Mike Scioscia
by sheisalovelyladyandmyapologiestoher on Dec 8, 2010 11:05 PM PST up reply actions
disgrAceful
"If he raced his pregnant wife he'd finish third"
Tommy Lasorda on catcher Mike Scioscia
by sheisalovelyladyandmyapologiestoher on Dec 8, 2010 11:06 PM PST up reply actions
No.
No.
Fuck No!
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by Commander_Nate on Dec 8, 2010 11:06 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Man Ram, Beltre, Soriano.
shit’d be lawlz worthy.
They want power. We want respect...
by SenorChuckles on Dec 9, 2010 12:20 AM PST up reply actions
You know. Pujols. Red Sox and Yankees dont need him, like at all.
We might be one of the only teams that can afford a 30m/year contract. Move Morales to right.
I brought sexy back, but they only gave me store credit....
he has a no trade to everywhere but the angels and one other place.
he must like it here. but yeah, he’s staying.
by Balls and Strikes on Dec 9, 2010 2:18 AM PST up reply actions
they'd either
find room somehow or trade someone away to make room. without hesitation
"If this was America, you'd have a radar gun, and right now it would read 101" - Kenny Powers
by 2pintsofbooze on Dec 8, 2010 11:10 PM PST up reply actions
Angels projected lineup:
1B Morales
2B Kendrick
SS Ayabr
3B Callaspo/Wood
RF Hunter
CF Bourjos
LF Rivera
DH Abreu
C Mathis/Napoli
How the hell can we beat anyone with that piece of shit lineup?
I brought sexy back, but they only gave me store credit....
That was also our projected lineup yesterday but everyone felt better about things
We aren’t done in this offseason yet. We can’t be.
by lightupthehalo29 on Dec 8, 2010 11:09 PM PST up reply actions
Look at that lineup and try not to cry.
Can you pick me out two players with on OBP higher than .355?
How about someone with 30+ steals?
Maybe a 35+ HR guy?
Literally one legit bat. One and a half if you count Hunter.
I brought sexy back, but they only gave me store credit....
Problem is,
Every GM will be licking his cops when Tony calls. They know they can really fleece us because of we are desperate. I bet, that Tony does nothing in terms of trades for this exact reason.
"If he raced his pregnant wife he'd finish third"
Tommy Lasorda on catcher Mike Scioscia
by sheisalovelyladyandmyapologiestoher on Dec 8, 2010 11:11 PM PST up reply actions
*licking his chops*
"If he raced his pregnant wife he'd finish third"
Tommy Lasorda on catcher Mike Scioscia
by sheisalovelyladyandmyapologiestoher on Dec 8, 2010 11:12 PM PST up reply actions
That's what I used to tell myself in years past.
I know now that it is done.
I love this team.
by Downing Rules on Dec 9, 2010 10:25 AM PST up reply actions
One game at a time.
Maybe this year we’ll win a softball team.
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by Commander_Nate on Dec 8, 2010 11:10 PM PST up reply actions
Sweet we are re-entering the years of
I SWEAR GUYS WE ARE GOING TO SIGN A BIG BOT FOR REALZ THIS OFFSEASON WATCH LULZ
I brought sexy back, but they only gave me store credit....
Won't cry...
Just won’t watch (or spend) if that is the team. Somebody has to call BS
Boston's Projected Lineup
CF Jacoby Ellsbury
LF Carl Crawford
1B Adrian Gonzalez
3B Kevin Youkilis
2B Dustin Pedroia
DH David Ortiz
RF J.D. Drew
C Jarrod Saltalamacchia
SS Marco Scutaro
Start crying.
I brought sexy back, but they only gave me store credit....
Well sure, but only if good players routinely beat shitty players.
Has that been scientifically proven yet?
Warning: The message above may or may not contain sarcasm. Read and interpret at your own risk.
they can all pick up where they left off--after 2009 season.
They want power. We want respect...
by SenorChuckles on Dec 9, 2010 12:21 AM PST up reply actions
Thank science "Case of Beer" is winning
Because it is the solution to all problems.
Scioscialist Party of America - Redistributing your defense since 2000.
annuAl trAdition!
"If he raced his pregnant wife he'd finish third"
Tommy Lasorda on catcher Mike Scioscia
by sheisalovelyladyandmyapologiestoher on Dec 8, 2010 11:13 PM PST up reply actions
Would you have River shift to right, with that arm he has, and Torii to left?
Or have Reggie become a starter?
How about Cory Aldrige? he did great in spring training this year. Don’t judge him on the few at bats he got in his call up
Honestly, yes
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by Commander_Nate on Dec 8, 2010 11:21 PM PST up reply actions
Power Q should had been re-signed.
They want power. We want respect...
by SenorChuckles on Dec 9, 2010 12:23 AM PST up reply actions
Send Jered Weaver to Philly to re-aquire Q
joke
I love this team.
by Downing Rules on Dec 9, 2010 10:26 AM PST up reply actions
i c that there should be a 'c' in acquire.
I love this team.
by Downing Rules on Dec 9, 2010 10:27 AM PST up reply actions
Podsednik, anyone?
WTY's ERA+ = 135 I WIN!!!!!
by Figgi4life on Dec 8, 2010 11:17 PM PST via mobile reply actions
Personally
I’d take him. 2 year, 8 million. Shove him in left, he’ll start one year, then phase out/train Trout in 2011
WTY's ERA+ = 135 I WIN!!!!!
by Figgi4life on Dec 8, 2010 11:23 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
already heard from 1 tonight
fuck
"If this was America, you'd have a radar gun, and right now it would read 101" - Kenny Powers
by 2pintsofbooze on Dec 8, 2010 11:19 PM PST up reply actions
Its more important to not "overpay" year after year
then to win.
I brought sexy back, but they only gave me store credit....
"Left fielder"
Wow. So they’ll waste his good D on the green monster. I guess he’ll last longer that way, but still seems like a waste.
WTY's ERA+ = 135 I WIN!!!!!
by Figgi4life on Dec 8, 2010 11:26 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Didn't Josh Hamilton just win the MVP award?
If I stay within my mechanics, I can turn the corner and build upon this success.
by The_Question on Dec 8, 2010 11:29 PM PST up reply actions
Most of his regular season starts were in left.
If I stay within my mechanics, I can turn the corner and build upon this success.
by The_Question on Dec 8, 2010 11:38 PM PST up reply actions
Crawford has been the 2nd best LFer in the AL for 5 of the last 7 years
Quite a few of those Hamilton was hitting the crack pipe. Hamilton’s a much brighter talent, for sure.
Fair enough.
If I stay within my mechanics, I can turn the corner and build upon this success.
by The_Question on Dec 8, 2010 11:44 PM PST up reply actions
How about we refer to the sux....
As the Fenway F*ckers? That sounds about right Raaddad.
YOU DON'T KNOW THE POWER OF THE DARKSIDE.....
That name
Could tempt Napoli to move over there.
WTY's ERA+ = 135 I WIN!!!!!
by Figgi4life on Dec 8, 2010 11:27 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
The sky is falling, the sky is falling AHHH!!!!
Even some of the most rational and sensible posters on HH are going all Chicken Little on us tonight.
I took your stash.
The offer the Angels made wasnt even close to competitive.
All we have done is sign a lefty bullpen guy while Texas is still better than us and the Red Sox added two HUGE pieces.
I brought sexy back, but they only gave me store credit....
Maybe that was what they believed Crawford was worth to them
Just because the Market dictates that he is worth 142 million doesn’t make it true.In any case, Opening Day is still about 4 months away so I will reserve judgement until all our moves are finalized.
I took your stash.
Next move, an aging DH.
Just like last year.
“we really feel (matsui/vlad/manny) make us a better offensive team. I mean we know firsthand what he can bring to a team. and we definitely come away from today a better team because of this signing.”
by Balls and Strikes on Dec 9, 2010 2:25 AM PST up reply actions
I guess you really love
Juan Rivera playing defense.
WTY's ERA+ = 135 I WIN!!!!!
by Figgi4life on Dec 8, 2010 11:28 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Mat's just mad
cause Santa didn’t bring him his present this year.
How bout the lump of coal instead?
If these contracts are so bad
Why do the Sox and Yankees keep winning. Got to spend to get good. Got to be good to be great. Anything else is small market thinking
"Pie Iesu domine, dona eis requiem".
I think we have been fairly happy with the contract we "overspent" the most on.
Hunter has worked out for us pretty good. And we had to overpay to get him
I brought sexy back, but they only gave me store credit....
True
We knew what Crawford originally wanted, which was a little north of $100 mil if I recall, and should have offered that straight up after the World Series was over.
An overpay, yes, but it would have been a reasonable one.
Scioscialist Party of America - Redistributing your defense since 2000.
by Commander_Nate on Dec 8, 2010 11:33 PM PST up reply actions
Red Sox & Yankees dont have to live with consequences of bad contracts
Angels have a budget. they don’t. Angels have hit a turning point. Obviously they can’t or wont take their payroll much higher than around $134ish mil and while the prospects of a new TV deal are nice they can’t create their own network like NESN or YES. They just don’t have the following to sell a pay channel.
They HAVE to do a better job of player development on the hitting side or they’re doomed.
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by LAAngelsInsider on Dec 8, 2010 11:35 PM PST up reply actions
Exactly
New York and Boston play by a different set of rules. They can afford to make big mistakes, and just write a big check to another player to make up for it.
If I stay within my mechanics, I can turn the corner and build upon this success.
by The_Question on Dec 8, 2010 11:40 PM PST up reply actions
Wait, you mean that...
…aside from the like 1 in 100 times a guy like Mike Trout pops up, that drafting high school position players over college guys all the time and expecting them to turn out great 5 years later isn’t a good idea? Interesting.
No, the snark isn’t directed at you, Jason or whoever this is from LAAI, but damn. With all those early draft picks over the last couple of years, I really never understood how we couldn’t have found at least 1 or 2 college seniors or juniors anywhere in the country.
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by Commander_Nate on Dec 8, 2010 11:43 PM PST up reply actions
Well Bane is now gone...
we’ll see what the new strat is going to be going forward.
I'm tired of getting bitch slapped by Boston.
Id think Artie would to. Guess not. Hope they bought tony dinner first
"Pie Iesu domine, dona eis requiem".
What are you talking about?
We pushed their shit in the last time it mattered.
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by Commander_Nate on Dec 8, 2010 11:35 PM PST up reply actions
On the bright side
we didn’t just sign Jack Cust, like the Mariners
"If this was America, you'd have a radar gun, and right now it would read 101" - Kenny Powers
Can't blame Crawford, can't blame Red Sox
FUCK YOU NATIONALS!
Sox would’ve been happy with Werth and you had screw it all up.
by lightupthehalo29 on Dec 8, 2010 11:33 PM PST reply actions
Cliff Lee
he’s the only singular piece that could actually make the current team a title contender.
otherwise, it’s going to take 2 offensive pieces, not just a beltre or a crawford.
hope tony is hitting the esl utility player list and seeing who we can snag to rotate around the infield
cliff lee cliff lee cliff lee release mathis cliff lee cliff lee cliff lee
Somewhere, right now, Mickey Hatcher is ruining a swing.
by Quinlan's Goofy Swing on Dec 8, 2010 11:34 PM PST reply actions
Sweet, lets be the Mariners of last year.
Cant wait.
I brought sexy back, but they only gave me store credit....
mariners were a haren and a weaver away
from being the sf giants
Somewhere, right now, Mickey Hatcher is ruining a swing.
by Quinlan's Goofy Swing on Dec 8, 2010 11:39 PM PST up reply actions
crooked hats can work
but not on closers
Somewhere, right now, Mickey Hatcher is ruining a swing.
by Quinlan's Goofy Swing on Dec 8, 2010 11:40 PM PST up reply actions
the guy was right Arte is cheap......7 years 108 mil wasnt going to effin cut it
you have to spend to win! WTF!?
Formerly Angels_48
Is this confirmed as the Angels' offer?
Not that they should have offered more, but they had to have known post-Werth that would not get it done.
If I stay within my mechanics, I can turn the corner and build upon this success.
by The_Question on Dec 8, 2010 11:43 PM PST up reply actions
I thought it was 6/108
The Torii contract plus one year
by lightupthehalo29 on Dec 8, 2010 11:59 PM PST up reply actions
http://angels.ocregister.com/2010/12/08/report-angels-offered-108-million-for-crawford/69204/
nah go there itll tell you
Formerly Angels_48
Wow
Reagins did kinda stick to his guns though.
Before the offseason we weren’t even sure this guy was getting 100 million
by lightupthehalo29 on Dec 9, 2010 12:05 AM PST up reply actions
Fuck this
Im going to get drunk and find someone to fight who has anything remotely close to a Bostonian accent.
I brought sexy back, but they only gave me store credit....
Come to PB
There are a fair amount down here. I know where to go, what alleys to use and have a pretty comfy couch. There are even crossed out Boston “B’s” and Patriots logos spray painted on some of the sidewalks (not my doing unfortunately)
Seriously though, like 80% of this town isn’t even from here. The streets are fair game among sports fans.
Scioscialist Party of America - Redistributing your defense since 2000.
by Commander_Nate on Dec 8, 2010 11:48 PM PST up reply actions
As long as you fight random strangers with me, Im game.
I brought sexy back, but they only gave me store credit....
Dude, that is seriously pretty easy to do around here haha
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by Commander_Nate on Dec 9, 2010 8:31 AM PST up reply actions
Yep
You too?
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by Commander_Nate on Dec 9, 2010 8:30 AM PST up reply actions
Nice, not too far away
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by Commander_Nate on Dec 9, 2010 9:46 AM PST up reply actions
I used to live their too
so many barneys with pre-faded Bahston hats talking about how Irish they aaaaaaare.
"I know Lackey...let's have a spelling contest."
by autry's cowboys on Dec 9, 2010 8:18 AM PST up reply actions
But they grew up in Escondido and have never been to Fenway...
Or Ventura, Long Beach, etc.
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by Commander_Nate on Dec 9, 2010 8:33 AM PST up reply actions
yep
but hey….they’ve “always been Red Saaaaawx fans”. Same guys that ruined beers on the sand.
"I know Lackey...let's have a spelling contest."
by autry's cowboys on Dec 9, 2010 8:58 AM PST up reply actions
willits can play left
willits + bourjos + mathis
the fiercest 789 in the league, but they play a defense first position so anything you get on the offensive side is a bonus.
sincerely,
Michael MF Scioscia
Somewhere, right now, Mickey Hatcher is ruining a swing.
by Quinlan's Goofy Swing on Dec 8, 2010 11:43 PM PST reply actions
You know what. I'm tired of this shit.
I expect this of the A’s and Pirates. The KC Royals are always getting screwed, and the Marlins are are used to giving up talent, for little or nothing in return. But once again, the Halos are on the outside looking in, regarding premier FA’s, a team supposedly with lots of money, that doesn’t do shit with it. This is some small market shit. I don’t expect us to sign anyone of relevance, and quite honestly I’m sick of it. I know that FA’s are expensive, but we have to decide, are we going to be serious players in MLB, or are we going to be satisfied with competing, but not challenging? Arte and ninja have let us down big time. Bring on the leftover free agents. I’m pissed, this is BS.
YOU DON'T KNOW THE POWER OF THE DARKSIDE.....
Maybe players don't want to come here
Somewhere, right now, Mickey Hatcher is ruining a swing.
by Quinlan's Goofy Swing on Dec 8, 2010 11:50 PM PST up reply actions
Not when we offer limp dick offers of 7/103
I brought sexy back, but they only gave me store credit....
im pissed we always offer crap!
Arte and effin Reagins never want to spend we have to spend money to win!
Formerly Angels_48
ya !!!
I wipe my ass with $103 million/turd. Does Reagins expect me to go through the day with a soiled ass crack? I think not
go long with extenze...i do
by angelsownredsux on Dec 9, 2010 1:32 AM PST up reply actions
Of course they don't brotha,
Not when we know what the going rate is, but we try to lowball FA’s. We all knew (Reagins and Arte too) what CC would want, in terms of contract demands, but we offer him 108 million, when we knew that Jayson Werth signed a 7/126 offer? If they wanted to sign cheap talent, with an eye towards cost effective contracts, that would be one thing, but all off season, we’ve heard how Arte and company knew they had to spend, in order to get free agents. But, we still weren’t willing to offer the going rate for said FA’s. I’m tired of this shit. I love the Halos, and always will, but I don’t want our club to offer Kevin Kouzmanoff a contract, just because Beltre is too expensive. Save that shit for KC and Pittsburgh bro. As for any aspirations for Pujols. Do any Angel fans really feel like we’ll be able to sign him? We couldn’t friggin’ sign Granderson. Pujols is a pipe dream.
YOU DON'T KNOW THE POWER OF THE DARKSIDE.....
We'll get Beltre
The Yankees and Red Sox are set at 3B (A-Rod and Youkilis), so there isn’t another team with real money to swoop in and take him away.
If I stay within my mechanics, I can turn the corner and build upon this success.
by The_Question on Dec 9, 2010 12:11 AM PST up reply actions
Never discount the fact that we can't sign players,
That supposedly want to play for the Halos, let alone FA’s that have other offers. Beltre and Soriano will probably play somewhere else next season. We’ll be lucky to land Kevin Gregg.
YOU DON'T KNOW THE POWER OF THE DARKSIDE.....
Don't fall into despair.
Players sign when it’s in their interest, usually for the highest offer available. There will be significant pressure on the Angels to make a strong offer to Beltre, and not any serious competitors who can top what the Angels can pay.
If I stay within my mechanics, I can turn the corner and build upon this success.
by The_Question on Dec 9, 2010 12:22 AM PST up reply actions
I am not in despair bro.
I am simply being realistic. We’ll be lucky at this point to land any FA that we’ve targeted. I’m only basing this on current events.
YOU DON'T KNOW THE POWER OF THE DARKSIDE.....
My shopping list at the beginning of the offseason:
1. Beltre
2. Dunn
3. Trade for DeJesus (or Kemp or Kalish or…)
(3b. Find homes in trade for Abreu, Rodney and/or Rivera)
4. Downs and/or Takahashi
5. Defensive catcher to pair with Conger: Olivo or Torrealba
Of all of the above, Crawford is nowhere to be found, and only one of the above is completely foreclosed upon (Dunn).
The Angels can still make a serious offseason of this.
Nice plan
2 and 5 are out (Mathis will be the “defensive” catcher, sadly), but 1, 3, and 4 are perfectly viable.
If I stay within my mechanics, I can turn the corner and build upon this success.
by The_Question on Dec 9, 2010 12:13 AM PST up reply actions
He's been awfully good.
Second-best catcher at controlling the running game in baseball last season. And he can hit for power.
(Though we wasn’t so hot with the passed balls, though that’s not as critical as throwing runners out.)
We'll never sign a catcher,
As long as we have the “premium” catcher Mathis.
YOU DON'T KNOW THE POWER OF THE DARKSIDE.....
It's still technically possible, yes.
Olivo hasn’t signed. I guess my point is that the team seems satisfied with its catching options, and would not be inclined to add a defensive specialist. I would much prefer your solution, but the tender to Mathis makes it appear very unlikely.
If I stay within my mechanics, I can turn the corner and build upon this success.
by The_Question on Dec 9, 2010 12:17 AM PST up reply actions
I'm not as disappointed in not signing Crawford
as the fact that we reportedly tried our best and failed miserably.
by lightupthehalo29 on Dec 9, 2010 12:14 AM PST reply actions
How about the Ray's fans?
This is devastating to the Ray’s, once again the small market loses. The Sux have just added TWO all-stars. Skanks will likely add Cliff Lee, the Rays? . . . well they have to hope to hit another lucky strike with more rookies. . . just isn’t fair.
At least we just have to win a best of 5/7. That can be done. To outplay them over 162, and having to watch your former franchise player on the other team. . . that just sucks.
EFFF you and your 0 fans! We need to make moves
The sentence I just posted makes as much sense as yours. WTF does the Rays, let alone their fanbase, have to do with the Angels FO?
WTY's ERA+ = 135 I WIN!!!!!
by Figgi4life on Dec 9, 2010 2:26 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
Outside the box thought
What about Magglio Ordonez? Boras is supposedly looking for a 2/20 deal for him. With Boston out of the running, we may be able to make that second year a vesting option. He had a 130 OPS+ last year, is a reliable .370 OBP, and should be less of a defensive liability in left than in right. Sign him, push Abreu to DH in 2011, then have Maggs DH in 2012 once Trout is ready to take over in left. Any thoughts about this?
If I stay within my mechanics, I can turn the corner and build upon this success.
Magglio would be a welcome addition to any team,
That wasn’t claiming to be involved with any free agent acquisitions. At this point, Magglio should be considered a type F free agent. Of course considering we’ve lost out terribly thus far, I’m sure Reagins and Arte would consider him a sound investment. It’s like being a friggin’ fan of the Royals now.
YOU DON'T KNOW THE POWER OF THE DARKSIDE.....
I was thinking this too.
Fits the mold perfectly. Old, aging outfielder on the down slope of his career. PErfect Fit.
Kohnfed.
by angelskid2210 on Dec 9, 2010 7:37 AM PST up reply actions
This really sucks, but...
I’m REALLY hoping we don’t sign Adrian Beltre. He is not the answer.
I would go after Cliff Lee, hard.
The Giants proved this season a World Series could be won without much hitting.
Get Cliff Lee, and then maybe ship Santana to the Mets for David Wright or something.
Just no Beltre. He’d be lucky to hit 15 homers a season for us.
I've got nothing.
I've always thought
The point of Lee was to get Kaz out of the rotation. If you’re just gonna throw out another SP, then say hello to Scott Kazmir. Unless, we have a replacement for Kaz, and then I say don’t get Lee.
WTY's ERA+ = 135 I WIN!!!!!
by Figgi4life on Dec 9, 2010 2:33 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
No, I would agree- sign Lee and trade one of our other starters for a solid 3B of LF
by Balls and Strikes on Dec 9, 2010 2:34 AM PST up reply actions
So you like the idea
Of seeing Scott Kazmir trott out to the mound every fifth day?
WTY's ERA+ = 135 I WIN!!!!!
by Figgi4life on Dec 9, 2010 2:48 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
haters gonna hate.
They want power. We want respect...
by SenorChuckles on Dec 9, 2010 10:09 AM PST up reply actions
This was such an easy one to call and I've been saying it all along...
(although so has everyone else who isn’t an Angels fan)
…that the Angels won’t get anyone of importance this offseason. Oh sure, they might get someone who actually will bring the club down over the years (read: Beltre), but no one to help.
Reagins is the cancer.
And whomever they get as sloppy seconds now, people out of desperation will justify it as a “good” signing when weeks earlier were saying anyone but that person. It’s what hapens when you don’t get what you want ;)
The Yanks and Sox play to win, and their fans benefit.
This will be a good reminder footnote when people complain why there is such an East coast bias...
Who exactly is coming out West? ;)
- Why would we even consider signing Cliff Lee? We have great starting pitching so signing Lee isn’t going to solve anything, unless for trade bait but i doubt that.
- I’m glad we didn’t sign CC. Hopefully Trout will be joining the team this or next season and if he performs as good as we expect, we’ll have a decent outfield along with Bourjos and Torii.
+ now that Boston own Crawford, they probably will get rid of Ellsbury so I suggest we try to make a deal out of him. He would fit great into our lineup. - What we need right now is Beltre. We might as well sign him and hope for the best, it’s not like it can get a lot worse… Or is 2011 Wood’s season?
- My biggest concern is if Kendry will preform as good as previous. If so, and we land Beltre we’ll have a decent lineup for next season. Maybe even if Trumbo and Conger gets some more experience.
Good day everyone
by Christoffer James V Ferreira on Dec 9, 2010 1:32 AM PST reply actions
Trout is not joining our team this year.
I love the complacency “we’ll have a decent lineup”
"Don't turn the channel, ... no matter what the score is." -David Eckstein
by princeton11loveshalos on Dec 9, 2010 2:25 AM PST up reply actions
Mark my words
Beltre will be a bust if we sign him.
WTY's ERA+ = 135 I WIN!!!!!
by Figgi4life on Dec 9, 2010 2:29 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
predicting failure is like predicting a fart
sooner or later you are right and you stink
by Rev Halofan on Dec 9, 2010 2:31 AM PST up reply actions 2 recs
LOL
WTY's ERA+ = 135 I WIN!!!!!
by Figgi4life on Dec 9, 2010 9:20 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
My Roid Suk cousin in Bawston just texted me: "CCheckmate"
annoying prick
All I need are some tasty waves, a cool buzz, and I'm fine.
I got one last night saying
“the rich get richer”
"If this was America, you'd have a radar gun, and right now it would read 101" - Kenny Powers
by 2pintsofbooze on Dec 9, 2010 9:05 AM PST up reply actions
I'll say it again....
Atre is full of shit. I’m weary of his recent unfulfilled promises. When a reporter sticks a microphone in his grill asking about offseason’s plans, he just needs to smile and change the topic to the price of parking or beer at the Big A.
As for Reagins, he should be the GM of Cedar Rapids – not a big market team. He is so not in the class of Cashman or Theo, he simply lacks their business acumen. This is offseason is just like last years: a joke. Reagins is a fraud.
Too soon to tell. Give it some time.
If Beltre and other top FA’s sign with other teams, then I agree. If we get Beltre, to me that is a huge. I think everything we need to know will be answered in the next few days.
As far as Crawford goes, like most have already said: Too much money, too long a contract.
A wise man does not need advice and a fool won't take it.
Beltre is enough.
Our “splashes/moves” will come mid-season. If we have a hole in the lineup, they’ll find the right person.
They want power. We want respect...
by SenorChuckles on Dec 9, 2010 10:14 AM PST up reply actions
They'll find us another Callspo~~ woo-hoo!~
by Wally's World on Dec 9, 2010 12:50 PM PST up reply actions
Could've been Derek Lee, but he respectfully declined.
They want power. We want respect...
by SenorChuckles on Dec 9, 2010 2:18 PM PST up reply actions
This is some urine in my breakfast right here
I am not disappointed that the Angels saved $20 mil a year. I am disappointed that the Red Sox, who are already very good but were decimated by injuries, probably just became a 100-win team, even in the ultra-competitive AL East (because if we’re being honest, there are four decent teams there). My only consolation is that we don’t have to beat them out for a playoff spot, and like they say, a short series is a whole new ballgame.
Still makes me sick. I also hate seeing long-time players go to divisional rivals. Vlad just went where he would get paid because the Angels really didn’t want him much anymore. CC basically laughed at his hometown team and went right over to their rivals.
Trout is 2012 unless he’s going to be The Greatest Angel Ever. Just please, for the love of Kirk McCaskill, do not let Juancho play in left field this year.
R.I.P. Nick Adenhart - Always an Angel
CAN YOU SAY PETER BOURJOS!!!!
YEAH!!!!!!
dissenter, dubious and devil's advocate to blog monitors everywhere.
by BryanHarvey'sMoustache on Dec 9, 2010 7:47 AM PST reply actions
Arte is saving his money for Albert Pujols next off-season!
When I'm not at the stadium, I'd rather be watching my Halos back in Costa Rica!
So we can watch the Yankees or Boston swoop in again?
every single year……
Each have their 1B.
Why Albert go play DH for either.
They want power. We want respect...
by SenorChuckles on Dec 9, 2010 10:15 AM PST up reply actions
30 million reasons each year.
If I stay within my mechanics, I can turn the corner and build upon this success.
we lost CC and Q
worse day ever
"Uhh yeah, GOLD might get you Jonas Brothers tickets. BLACK will have all three of them sucking your d***." Pat Anderson Assistant to the Assistant GM of Tampa
ahhhh
the alphabet is disappearing too quickly.
by stereoscopic on Dec 9, 2010 11:21 AM PST up reply actions
Apparently the offer given to Crawford
was Hunters deal with an extra year added to it. Then they added a 7th year with a vesting option. So we lost out on Crawford because we didn’t want to give up another 3 million a year. Oh well.
Kohnfed.
If this is true, 7 years - $108m
Then the reality is that the Angels were never serious about signing Crawford.
It was 6/108, with an 18 million dollar vesting option for a 7th.
So it could have gone up to 7/126 if the option vested.
It would have been serious if it was offered the minute we could talk to Crawford
Before the Nationals gave a crappier player more money.
Any idea when the offer was made? I’m assuming it was in the last few days.
Scioscialist Party of America - Redistributing your defense since 2000.
by Commander_Nate on Dec 9, 2010 9:11 AM PST up reply actions
Have no clue.
Just stated the offer. But to me it seems he was never serious about coming here and just used us to get a higher contract from somebody else. Gotta love being the Stepchild.
Kohnfed.
by angelskid2210 on Dec 9, 2010 9:12 AM PST up reply actions
Funny
Let’s play Name That GM.
“It’s not an outrageous number,” said one GM. “Even before Werth I thought Crawford was at least $120 million, so this isn’t much more over seven years. Put it this way: I don’t know what the Angels were thinking. I thought Arte was going to pony up.”
by Halotosis on Dec 9, 2010 9:10 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
"What a complete waist of money!"
That’s from OTGM. It seems like a lot of their fans have similar sentiments regarding the cost and just how many productive years they’re going to get out of CC.
Here’s to waisting money!
W6G -- Unless there's a good trade on the table.
Angels seem pretty good at wasting money. The difference....
the players we waste money on, are on other teams or shit canned and out of the league.
Kohnfed.
by angelskid2210 on Dec 9, 2010 9:17 AM PST up reply actions
One of my Red Sox friends felt the same
Yes, I have like 2 that I haven’t alienated yet.
Scioscialist Party of America - Redistributing your defense since 2000.
by Commander_Nate on Dec 9, 2010 9:30 AM PST up reply actions
Haha.
Hopefully they spell better than the poster quoted above.
W6G -- Unless there's a good trade on the table.
by RexTookMyStash on Dec 9, 2010 9:31 AM PST up reply actions
Makes no sense
The Halos apparently offered $18m per year, and the Sox approximately $20.4m per year. Both the Angels and Sox apparently offered 7 years.
So let me get this straight: $2.4m per year is the difference between a good deal and a bad deal?
As for Crawford’s productivity falling off after year 4 or 5: he is 29 years old right now. His most productive seasons are in front of him. His game (singles / doubles) is suited for Fenway park. Additionally, he’s not GMJ with only one good season under his belt. Baring a career ending injury, the odds are that his production will remain solid (no material drop) over the term of the deal.
It'll either be succesful or a bust.
We’ll only know when we know, then we can pat each other on the back.
W6G -- Unless there's a good trade on the table.
by RexTookMyStash on Dec 9, 2010 9:59 AM PST up reply actions
PITCHING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Sign Lee & Soriano, then trade Santana and whatever it takes to get Zimmerman from the Nats!!!!! Please, No Beltre! If we get this guy be ready for the second coming of GMJ, well, maybe not that bad. He’ll give us 2 maybe 3 good years and then we’re stuck with him for 3 more. not a good signing!!
What do you do with a Beltre with one ball?
Pitch him inside and walk the rhino.
W6G -- Unless there's a good trade on the table.
by RexTookMyStash on Dec 9, 2010 9:29 AM PST up reply actions
in my opinion
we may as well show our hand. We can either trade our prospects to try to be competitive this year or we can rebuild, right? Why not bring up Trout? Are we gonna let another one marinate away in the minors? Let’s see what he’s got. At 3B, why not see if Naps can handle it? He’s obviously no Beltre but he’s another power stick in the lineup. If he cant handle it, no harm, no foul, no $100mm out the door. You can fall back on other affordable options of Callaspo/Izturis at 3B. Let’s see what Bourjos does with a full year under his belt. I think Izzy can lead off IF he’s healthy.
Eh….or you could pay Beltre and offer Lee 50% ownership. Who knows.
"I know Lackey...let's have a spelling contest."
I'm just gonna say it....
I don’t think Crawford ever really wanted to come to the Angels. The Angels were preparing another offer and the Red Sox just swooped in and nabbed him before hearing the new offer? I believe that once again the Angels have been used as pawns to drive up the price on the Red Sox and the Yankees. We have become big enough to be considered a threat, but not big enough that the big names want to come here. We wouldn’t even have had VLAD if our owner wasn’t LATINO!
Ugh
Money talks, and bullshit walks. The Angels came to a gun fight with a plastic spoon. The offer Arte made to Crawford would have been great in the 2008/2009 free agent market, not the 2011 season market.
wait wait wait....plastic spoon or a spork? we need to be specific here
"I know Lackey...let's have a spelling contest."
by autry's cowboys on Dec 9, 2010 9:41 AM PST up reply actions
A spork with the prongs broken off
Scioscialist Party of America - Redistributing your defense since 2000.
by Commander_Nate on Dec 9, 2010 9:44 AM PST up reply actions
Had to be a spork.
W6G -- Unless there's a good trade on the table.
by RexTookMyStash on Dec 9, 2010 9:45 AM PST up reply actions
I'm usually a front-office apologist, but...
this is stupid not getting Crawford.
Although, I pretty much expected a quiet off-season anyway and I didn’t buy into the “Angels are leading the Carl Crawford sweepstakes” hype at all.
With that said, let’s go win!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I love this team.
I think we're all forgetting that there is another
free agent left handed 29 year old left fielder, and he will come much cheaper. ME!
besides being white, we’re pretty much the same player.
"If this was America, you'd have a radar gun, and right now it would read 101" - Kenny Powers
Judging by the outline of that shadow,
Crawford has you well beat in another area as well.
W6G -- Unless there's a good trade on the table.
by RexTookMyStash on Dec 9, 2010 10:00 AM PST up reply actions
thought I covered that difference
when I said “besides being white”
"If this was America, you'd have a radar gun, and right now it would read 101" - Kenny Powers
by 2pintsofbooze on Dec 9, 2010 10:06 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I LLOL'd
W6G -- Unless there's a good trade on the table.
by RexTookMyStash on Dec 9, 2010 10:34 AM PST up reply actions
it's in his glove, silly.
They want power. We want respect...
by SenorChuckles on Dec 9, 2010 11:27 AM PST up reply actions
yeah, its in the glove
where its supposed to be.
you probably can’t see the ball though since I just bought a softball glove, which is ginormous.
here’s a picture of my glove after I took it off and set it down
"If this was America, you'd have a radar gun, and right now it would read 101" - Kenny Powers
by 2pintsofbooze on Dec 9, 2010 11:56 AM PST up reply actions
LLOL!!
its so big I can fit my pinky and ring fingers into one, but just barely
"If this was America, you'd have a radar gun, and right now it would read 101" - Kenny Powers
by 2pintsofbooze on Dec 9, 2010 12:01 PM PST up reply actions
TWS...
Nah, I’ma let that one go by. ;)
Scioscialist Party of America - Redistributing your defense since 2000.
by Commander_Nate on Dec 9, 2010 1:25 PM PST up reply actions
sign lee, trade aybar and santana and couple other prospects for jose reyes. give woody another chance. yes i just said that.
Ho-Hum
Crawford would have been a nice addition, but they need Beltre more. 20 million a year sure sounds like a lot for a player who has never hit 20 HRs, and who has drawn in excess of 50 BB exactly once in his entire career. If giving this much money to Crawford would have precluded the team from maintaining its starting rotation (specifically, Weaver and Santana) in a year or two, or from upgrading at other positions, then I can’t really fault them for not breaking the bank. For that much money, I’d like to see someone better than Crawford, or upgrades at multiple positions instead.
On the other hand, I do agree with the sentiment of frustration expressed by others, specifically in regards to Moreno’s promises to spend money to upgrade the team. If you’re going to talk the talk…
It really makes no sense
when you consider there is a Del Taco within one hour of the hotel.
"The world is made for people who aren't cursed with self-awareness." - Annie Savoy
There's a Boston fan at my college
a little hunchback dwarf fellow—nice guy, student, I bs with on occasion about the Sux.
I’m going to kick him.
in the nuts
"I know Lackey...let's have a spelling contest."
by autry's cowboys on Dec 9, 2010 11:58 AM PST up reply actions
my Boston buddy
just sent me an email telling me he requested to be paired with my in our monthly golf tourny tomorrow so he could gloat all day.
thank fucking god I am not playing tomorrow
"If this was America, you'd have a radar gun, and right now it would read 101" - Kenny Powers
by 2pintsofbooze on Dec 9, 2010 11:58 AM PST up reply actions
whoops
my = me
"If this was America, you'd have a radar gun, and right now it would read 101" - Kenny Powers
by 2pintsofbooze on Dec 9, 2010 11:59 AM PST up reply actions
I see a pattern
Two years in a row, we’re promised a big splash and we end up signing an aging Yankee hitter (Abreu & Matsui). This year was supposed to be a big splash again. So let’s hope that Marcus Thames has a monster season.
And the halo shines tonight
Listening to 1070 on the freeway just now and
They announced The Yankee Report. They actually called it that.
It was just an update on the cliff lee situation; Yankees added Nother year to their previos offer and Texas desperately trying to hang onto him are meeting with him at his house in arkansas.
Lordy. Almost makes me feel sorry for texas.
Almost.
THIS… IS… ANAHEIM!!
this is what I'm picturing
as Nolan pulls into Lee’s driveway
Mrs. Lee yells, “honey! Nolan Ryan is here, want me to get the lube?”
Cliff: “I’m not using any lube”
Mrs. Lee: “but honey, Nolans been good to you, and you went to the WS with him just a few months ago. you should take it easy on him.”
Cliff: “I SAID I’M NOT USING ANY LUBE!!!!!!!!!!”
"If this was America, you'd have a radar gun, and right now it would read 101" - Kenny Powers
by 2pintsofbooze on Dec 9, 2010 3:50 PM PST up reply actions
Lawlz
They want power. We want respect...
by SenorChuckles on Dec 9, 2010 3:53 PM PST up reply actions
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