Serious about Cliff Lee
by jh852 on Dec 9, 2010 5:59 PM PST
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The Angels have supposedly been interested in signing Cliff Lee. However, I seriously doubt they are interested with the fact that the Angels have one of the best starting rotations in all of baseball. If the Angels were to sign Lee, they would most likely have to trade away Weaver. I doubt very seriously that we will see Lee in an Angels uniform. Weaver is a good pitcher and Haren is simply dominant. There is absolutely no need to get involved in the Cliff Lee bidding. Except to drive up the price for the Yankees and Rangers.
Hopefully we stay away from Cliff Lee and go after Adrian Beltre. Although he is going to cost a lot. probably 5 years $75 million.
Question: why would the Angels even be interested in Lee in the first place seeing as we already have Weaver, Haren, Santana, Joel and Kaz.
Carl Crawford would have put the Angels into the conversation for the championship. His asking price was simply too high and unreasonable.
Crawford would have been a wonderful addition seeing as Kendry Morales is progressing well and expected to be ready for spring training. However, Beltre would provide some good protection for K-MO. We just need someone to get on base for Kendry and I think this team will regain its dominance over the AL west again.
P.S. Kendry will be the MVP this year.
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Purely strategic
I think we are only going for him to drive up the price and eventually get it out of the Rangers’ budget.
RIP Nick Adenhart 4/9/09
by vlad IS my man on Dec 9, 2010 6:04 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
I agree
though I’m worried it will backfire and the Rangers, having missed out on Lee, will trade Young and sign Beltre, leaving the Angels with nothing.
by lightupthehalo29 on Dec 9, 2010 6:22 PM PST up reply actions
The thought that the Angels would enter the bidding on Lee and “eventually get it out of the Rangers budget” doesn’t make sense. For this to be an effective strategy, Moreno/Reagins would need to know the maximum the Rangers would be willing to spend on Lee. Otherwise, the Angels might be the winning bidder completely by accident.
Also, this FA market is more volatile (to the upside) than I believe anyone anticipated. The contracts for Werth and Crawford are beyond the speculation of most observers. So even if the Rangers had a Max proposal 2 weeks ago, they may be reconsidering.
Beyond that, the Yankees will likely out-bid all others. The Sux just signed Crawford to make their line-up even more lefty dominant. I imagine this just increased the Yankees desire to sign the premier lefty SP available.
I think it's relatively safe to bid to "get it out of the Rangers budget"
Because no matter what we bid we will never “get it out of the Yankees budget”
What I have read is Lee's agent has made it clear that teams interested in Lee must submit sealed offers
and Lee will choose a team from those offers. He is running it like an auction it seems. The Rangers are mad because they want to know what the highest offer for Lee is so they can try to see if they can beat it at the last minute. This seem like a fair way for Lee’s agent to do business. Doesn’t mean Lee will absolutely take the highest offer though, a winning team would seem to figure into his decision making, but ya never know.
Peter Bourjos is faster than anyone on your team.
Angels
The Rangers have to know that they’ll never outbid the Yankees, so instead they’re going to try to get really, really close—like within $5M to $10M—then emphasize (A) no state income tax in Texas, and (B) the proximity of DFW airport to Bentonville, Arkansas.
Will it work? It really depends upon how much Lee loves the money, because the Yankees “need” Lee more than the Rangers do since Boston’s trade for Gonzalez and the signing of Crawford. The Yankees are simply going to offer a ridiculous guaranteed contract.
"I can't tell people what to think or not to think. Their perceptions are their perceptions. We just feel we've taken a step forward. At the end of the day, we have to play 162 games. Once that happens then we'll be able to evaluate the offseason moves."~Tony Reagins, on the Angels' offseason
by George Kaplan on Dec 9, 2010 8:41 PM PST up reply actions
My guess is that the next dominos to fall look more like this>
Texas loses Lee to the Yankees.
Texas turns to KC, and grabs Grienke.
"Wastin away again in Minor-Leaguer-Ville..."
Rangers must bid on Cliff Lee
December 9 ESPN.com
“The last time the Texas Rangers saw agent Darek Braunecker, they asked him precisely what it’s going to take to bring the pitcher Cliff Lee back to Arlington in 2011. After giving the matter careful consideration, Braunecker determined that it’s not his responsibility to tell the Rangers how to spend their money. So he will wait for the club to make its best offer — and then let Lee and his wife, Kristen, decide if it works for them. “We have no interest in participating in the unconventional negotiating style the club has requested,” Braunecker told ESPN.com early Thursday morning. “For the player to submit an offer to the club … that’s not the way the process works.”"
Peter Bourjos is faster than anyone on your team.
Angels
The report this morning was that Rangers President Chuck Greenwald offered Lee “a menu of options”. which indicates they didn’t know how to beat the Yankees offer, so they tried an array of choices, perhaps to show Lee they were sincere in their efforts.
I’ll be stunned if he takes their offer. So will the Yankees, who will then try to trade Jesus Montero, the heretofore untouchable catching prospect, to the Royals for Greinke. It is amazing that for all their money, the Yankees still need SP. This highlights the fact that all the financial resources in the world can’t keep a team from making a huge mistake (AJ Burnette).
"I can't tell people what to think or not to think. Their perceptions are their perceptions. We just feel we've taken a step forward. At the end of the day, we have to play 162 games. Once that happens then we'll be able to evaluate the offseason moves."~Tony Reagins, on the Angels' offseason
by George Kaplan on Dec 10, 2010 4:01 AM PST up reply actions
A bit off subject
But what did we offer the Marlins for Miguel Cabrera?
Santana, Kendrick, Willits, Mathis
RIP Nick Adenhart
by ihearhowie2.0 on Dec 9, 2010 7:42 PM PST up reply actions
Wood may have been in there
At the time it was a huge deal
RIP Nick Adenhart
by ihearhowie2.0 on Dec 9, 2010 7:43 PM PST up reply actions
2 reasons to sign Lee;
1) A team never, ever has enough good pitching, especially starters. Weaver, Santana, Haren, and Pineiro are a solid starting 4, then we drop to Kazmir/Bell/Palmer. Not so good after the 1st 4. Plus, this is Pineiro’s last year.
2) Lee has excelled in the playoffs, a phase of the game where you really want a rock-solid winner. I’m not sure past is prologue, but Lee has shown he can dominate good offensive teams in the playoffs over the last 2 years.
That said, I can’t imagine anyone will out-bid the Yanks. Like Teixeira, I think they will simply look at any other teams offer and beat it by 10% or add another year.
Besides, every team should have to pay a 39 year old pitcher 20 million
Stay away from Lee. The Angels need to rebuild now, Not sign old FA’s
"Pie Iesu domine, dona eis requiem".
Why have a great rotation
While you can have an OUTSTANDING rotation? With Cliff Lee you’re set with years of an outstanding rotation. However, I agree with everyone, too expensive and for way too many years.
Though its not my money so I wouldn’t cry streams if we did sign him, I would be pretty stoked.
Ain’t happening.
P.S.
Kaz sucks.
I also think Kendry will get the MVP. I feel pitchers have forgotten how to pitch to him and he’s coming back better than ever before.
Huh? pitchers have forgotten how to pitch to him?
Are you tryin to say that Hatcher has sprinkled him with “magic fairy hitting dust”?
Really? You are going to take yourself that seriously? Well I guess someone has to.
Felix Hernandez and his agent must be kicking themselves now for signing
that five year and 78 million dollar extension with the Mariners last January. That is almost half price what the market it is now for ace caliber pitching.
Peter Bourjos is faster than anyone on your team.
by 44FAN on Dec 9, 2010 8:14 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
Any good player who signed anything
in the last two years is kicking themselves.
by lightupthehalo29 on Dec 9, 2010 9:43 PM PST up reply actions
Look at Brandon Webb
He was a perennial Cy candidate and then POOF. I can understand why young aces are willing to take seemingly below-market deals when they’re still a ways from free agency. You can’t underestimate security when your primary tool as an athlete is so combustible.
Lee can go suck it
"Uhh yeah, GOLD might get you Jonas Brothers tickets. BLACK will have all three of them sucking your d***." Pat Anderson Assistant to the Assistant GM of Tampa
ANGELS AGAIN
Beltre-Napoli-Morales-Hunter-Abreu
very very good
Maybe go after Zack Granicke—But it might cost too much and 20 million down the road-never!
free agents
The only player today worth 20 million per year is Pujlos and he will probably get 30 million—way way too much! This will catch up to the Yankees and the Red Sox-The Angels are still doing ok—Look what happened to the Rangers when they signed that ridiculous ARod contract way back—It ruined them! The Yankees are just getting too close to going down-I love jeter but he was worth about 8 to 10 million tops! ARod Now?
He is worth about the same 8 to 10 million tops and thats only because he plays 3B and there just isnt that many good 3b players now!
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