Why do you care about baseball?!
Ok, I'm posting this after a few scotch so I welcome all ridicule for asking what seems like a silly question.
But me and few people were eating at Wood Ranch (mmm, need to keep up my pork fat blood level content) and we got into one of those never-ending debates over why the NBA now sucks, why MLB is boring, etc. etc.
We all mostly agreed that our favorite league by far is the NFL (hold on now) for about a million reasons that can be debated elsewhere, even with no LA teams.
But as much as I love the NFL (yeah I know, so does the rest of the country, get in line), they asked me if I could only keep one sport, which would it be. I said MLB. A few people laughed...or yawned at the notion.
But while I agreed with them that it takes about 10-20 MLB games to equal the excitement of one good NFL game, MLB and the Angels give me a hobby/interest no other sport can.
When the NFL season is done, I feel a sort of completeness and I'm ok waiting for the next go-around. When MLB ends, I enter a sort of depression and honest sadness.
So in trying to describe to them why baseball is so important to me, it was hard putting it into words.
What I realized in vocalizing it to them is that it's not any particular game that means much, and half the time if I'm at home, the game is on while the radio is on and I'm multi-tasking while watching/listening. The NFL on the other hand has me so glued to the set you'd think my life depended on it.
But with MLB, it's more of a lifestyle. I can't describe it really but I salivateat the thought of leaving work and looking forward to my drive home with the almost daily pre-game show, game, and post-game show. 4-5 hours of entertainment that while not riveting by any means, is wholly comforting in every sense of the word.
So I guess I'm curoius why the rest of you might have MLB as your top sport, if it even is.
For me, it simply is a strange security blanket I can't quite put into words but when it's not there, I feel nekkid.
Yes, it's not the most exciting. Yes, one can argue there are too many games, etc.
But if I had to pick one sport, despite the NFL being my favorite, it would still be MLB.
Maybe it's the over-used imagery of sitting in the garage while my dad worked on his car and hearing now hall-of-fame announcers painting that perfect picture before I even realized why I cared about sports at all, I dunno.
But I do now as much as I bitch about the MLB issues, I honestly don't think there is a drug on the market that could ever replace the lack of it.
Long live MLB and I can't wait for spring training already on March 4th!
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Sorry for the spelling mistakes...
hic and by March 4th, I meant the first game of spring training live on am 830!
i think you nailed it on the head
Maybe it’s the over-used imagery of sitting in the garage while my dad worked on his car and hearing now hall-of-fame announcers painting that perfect picture before I even realized why I cared about sports at all, I dunno.
because it's perfect
the rules are perfect and are not changed to make the sport more exciting. there is no clock that a team behind or ahead can abuse. everyone gets their chance to win. and even with two outs in the ninth inning, ANYONE can win.
also, no sport has the same sounds. the crack of the bat, the sound of a fastball slapping a catcher’s mitt – baseball has those SOUNDS.
R.I.P. Nick Adenhart - Always an Angel
Because I KNOW the game.
Like most others, I played baseball growing up. I could play any sport and I played most of them (soccer, basketball, volleyball, etc.). But approached baseball wanting to know everything about it. To this day my neighbor thinks I should have applied at the local High School for the coaching position that opened up. All the nuances, all the strategy. Every sport has strategy, but not to the extent that baseball has.
And like Kernel said, the sounds. Basketball has thumps and squeaks. Football has pads on pads. But when that ball meets that bat squarely……..it’s the kind of sound where you could close your eyes and KNOW what kind of hit it’s going to be.
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Because it's
Truly perfect. It has flaws, and it is perfect. Because for the past MONTH, I’ve been sitting at work and thinking
“Damn, I can’t WAIT to get home and watch the game tonight”, and then I remember. And then I want to cry. It fills a void that I didn’t even know was there. It is, actually, very hard to explain
LBPhadDJaxFirst
by Figgi4life on Feb 18, 2010 7:41 AM PST via mobile reply actions
Because baseball is more than a sport.
It’s a lifestyle.
~Till the Halo burns out...
by Zu Long on Feb 18, 2010 8:01 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
Baseball also takes place duing the best months of the year
Think of a perfect day for baseball… Blue skies, 80° with a hint of wind so the championship flag can fly in CF. It’s the same image we all have of paradise.
Now think of football… Perfect football weather is Lambeau Field in January. It’s frigid to core. Players have to brush snow, grass and mud off their helmets just to see. That’s the image most of us (Californians at least) have of torture.
Basketball, hockey, and other arena sports don’t present the same images since a game in October is the same as a game in April. For what it’s worth though, it’s still the winter once you step outside the arena.
Nevertheless, baseball presents a mental image like no other. It rises in the spring and sets in the fall and has since before anyone alive can remember. Long live the MLB.
by BruinHalo on Feb 18, 2010 8:46 AM PST via mobile reply actions
No offense, because a lot of people say that, but I’m generally unimpressed with the answer to “Why do you like baseball?” being “Uh… it has good weather.”
The answer has nothing to do with the game, it has to do with some nostalgic, poetic image of the setting the game is played in, which the majority of the time probably doesn’t exist (people are always complaining “This isn’t baseball weather!”) No, but it is baseball, and frankly I’d tune in to a snowy baseball game if they played one. Weather is irrelevant.
Don’t get me wrong, I have that exact same nostalgic image of the game, so I know what you mean, but I see that as a blessing and not a requirement to enjoy it.
We all are love and love is hard
In my defense
I think it’s the imagery that makes the game great. Rules are rules and differences between different sports and their rules are impossible to compare. Is it better or worse to restrict different types of movement? Who knows… To say that baseball is great because there’s no clock is to say that volleyball and tennis is the paragon of sports since each time the ball is served the game continues.
It all cones down to sensory images that create an archive of what baseball is in each of our minds. The sights, the smells, the feeling on your skin, the sounds of the ballpark and the game, and hell even the taste of sunflower seeds, salted peanuts and hot dogs evoke deep-seeded joy from a baseball fan. In that vein, I think weather plays a huge role in those images. People are happier when the weather is nice. Thus your memories of baseball are impacted by the nice weather.
As for your claim that you’d watch it in the snow… So would I, but I don’t think it would have nearly the following nor the positive imagery it has now.
by BruinHalo on Feb 18, 2010 2:59 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Cant be a day at the park........bright sun shining......the warm breeze...the smell of dirt, grass, sweat....
the way a game can go from quiet to crazy with one crack of the bat……its just amazing….
-Buffalo Rumblings resident Chan Gailey basher-
by norcaliangelsfan on Feb 18, 2010 8:51 AM PST reply actions
cant beat*
-Buffalo Rumblings resident Chan Gailey basher-
by norcaliangelsfan on Feb 18, 2010 8:52 AM PST up reply actions
Because the joy, peacefulness, and excitement!
Also, the smell of the grass and kick up of the dirt. Coming home from a game and having scrape marks from the dirt and grass stains from diving. Everything about baseball is perfect, and beautiful. The smell of leather and the sound of the glove popping is amazing, no other sport can come close to the excitement baseball brings!! Especially ANGELS baseball!!
First we had a Salmon and now we have a Trout, let's see the same results.
Sorry to be a baseball Scrooge
But see my answer above. Same idea. This isn’t an answer. You just described things you smell and hear and feel without saying anything about the game itself.
We all are love and love is hard
Well ...
that’s what these people like about it. It is their opinion and is THEIR ANSWER.
I love this team.
by Downing Rules on Feb 18, 2010 3:30 PM PST up reply actions
Yeah, I’m not saying you shouldn’t like those things. I’m saying baseball is great regardless of how it smells.
We all are love and love is hard
so says Proust
smell is the most powerful sense when conjuring memory
I must not fear. Fear is the mind-killer.
Smell of grass? WTF, where are your seats?
The last game I caught was at Doyer Stadium and all I smelled there was beer & BO.
"All I need are some tasty waves, a cool buzz, and I'm fine."
by Quad Fin Rider on Feb 18, 2010 9:32 PM PST up reply actions
Haha, that's funny.
No I wasn’t necessarily talking about Angel games, just the smell of the grass on a baseball field.
First we had a Salmon and now we have a Trout, let's see the same results.
by angelskid2210 on Feb 21, 2010 4:21 PM PST up reply actions
I’m an old guy and it’s strictly for my glaucoma now
helps me see Halo victories better
"All I need are some tasty waves, a cool buzz, and I'm fine."
by Quad Fin Rider on Feb 23, 2010 9:22 AM PST up reply actions
Wrote this back in 2003
Angels baseball. We do what we must, because we can -- HaloDutch
by red floyd on Feb 18, 2010 9:58 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
Because it was the only team sport I was any good at
I was too skinny to play football, too white to play basketball, but I excelled at baseball and started at 3B on both my high school & college teams. Another great thing about baseball is that even though I’m now getting old & fat, it’s probably the only team sport in the world I could still play credibly today. Well that and Olympic Curling anyway, I KNOW I could win a fucking gold medal at that.
"All I need are some tasty waves, a cool buzz, and I'm fine."
by Quad Fin Rider on Feb 18, 2010 10:07 AM PST reply actions
Why? Because baseball really is the greatest game in the world.
Sure, I may be a little biased since I grew up playing and loving it and the last NFL team left LA when I was in elementary school, but I don’t think I’m wrong. I still played football and basketball with the neighborhood kids and my friends and even threw in the occassional soccer or street hockey game, but baseball is king among my friends and I. I’ve actually managed to school some Europeans and Australians into liking the sport, so I’ve got some experience in this area.
First, here’s a critique of the flaws I see in the other major sports of the world/US:
NFL Football – Football’s popularity is overblown because the season is by far the shortest of all sports. It’s only 16 games, 19-20 if you go all the way. Virtually all of the games, with the exception of one or two, are on the same day once a week. Over the course of the season you get 8, maybe 9 chances to see your team at home. As a result, ratings skyrocket and ticket prices are astronomical even in the worst sections becasue of the scarcity and shortness of the NFL season. People wait all year to see the NFL and have a very small window of opportunity to actually enjoy it. I’m not saying it should be longer because I understand the physical toll football takes per game. What I’m saying is that the scarcity of games is what gives the NFL more hype and pull. If it was on more often, like the other major sports, it’s hype would be reduced. Think about it, if you hold a junkie from his smack, he’s going to be really excited the few times he gets it. Give it to him everyday and he’s more docile and content.
Other flaws in the NFL: There are way too many friggin’ penalties. I read somewhere that there’s over 80 in the rulebook now. You can’t go 5 minutes in an NFL game without a play being cancelled or stopping the clock because someone who was nowhere near the ball touched another guy the wrong way or whatever. It’s annoying. Also despite what people think, the NFL is REALLY SLOW. In a 3 hour broadcast there’s maybe 10-15 minutes of actual play action, the rest is simply the ticking of the clock and lining up. I also don’t like how the Superbowl is rarely played in a city who’s team is actually in it. How pissed would LA fans be if the 2010 WS was Angels-Dodgers and the entire thing was played in Minnesota because they have a new stadium or whatever?. Finally, I think the NFL has become too much of a show. The players union is threatening to strike over their salaries while there’s a major recession going on, yet Ocho Cinco will buy a friggin’ semi-truck to drive around in. That and they get into these little twitter battles, which I think is immature and pointless.
Basketball – Here is the only sport where scoring has little significance. Before you get all pissed about that statement, think about it, an NBA team typically has to score somewhere in the range of 80-100 points to win a game, sometimes more. A player has to score 15+ to be a really significant impact on the game. Bynum sinks a 3 with 8 minutes left in the 2nd. Who cares, that shot is going to be erased by the opposing team in mere moments. In all of the other major sports, EVERY. POINT. MATTERS. One goal, one run, or one touchdown/kick by one player can decide the game in the other sports. In basketball, a team needs to score an average of what, 30+ times to even have a chance?
Basketball too, gets mind-numbingly slow, particularly in the final minutes. I’m talking about fouls and free-throws. These don’t even take time off the clock, and also usually don’t matter because of the insignificance of scoring addressed earlier. The last 2-3 minutes of a basketball game gets stretched into 15-20 (at least it seems like) because everyone fouls, goes to the line or calls timeout. I live with a massive Laker fan who watches every NBA game on TNT so I don’t feel I’m exaggerating here.
Hockey – I actually like hockey and I’ve tried to get into it. I’d like to say I’m a closet Ducks fan…if I knew when the damn season was you know, in progress. Hockey’s problem is it’s lack of a cultural connection with most of the US. It’s huge in Canada, sure, because every Canadian grows up with snow and the opportunity to learn how to ice skate near their home. In the US, you have very limited chances to do this if you live south of say, Washington or Indiana and you don’t live in the mountains. It also rarely gets covered on any major sports network until the Stanley Cup Playoffs begin, and by that point, it’s kind of late to be getting into the sport.
Soccer – Yeah, it’s “the world’s game”, but that’s only because it was spread around the world by the British Empire for a couple of centuries. If any other nation had been in that position, some other game would be in soccer’s position. I would also argue that basketball and baseball are making as many new inroads on new territory as soccer is, particularly in Asia.
As far as the game goes, I won’t deny at all that it takes athleticism. In fact, it requires incredible stamina, like that of a distance runner. However, to me the game isn’t much more than 90+ minutes of guys running and kicking a ball around. Occasionally one will make it into the goal and then more running and kicking will ensue. I’ll watch it for a little bit, but beside the occassional penalty, corner kick, or goal there doesn’t seem to be much going on. I also don’t like how nobody besides the goalies can use their hands. I just don’t see how you can have a major sport where most of the players aren’t allowed to use their primary controlling limbs. For you soccer fans, you’re probably really pissed at me for saying this, but that’s just how I and a lot of us in non-soccer nations feel. Maybe it’s because we didn’t grow up with the game, but it is what it is.
What makes baseball the greatest – Where do I begin? It’s played in the greatest weather and almost every day for 6 months. You have absolutely no problem following your team through any medium. You get 81 chances to see them at home, and compared to the other sports, it’s inexpensive (unless you’re a Yankee or Mets fan).
It is ingrained in our culture. There are over 150 years of rich, vibrant history behind “The National Pastime” and each era of the game gives us a glimpse of where we were culturally and socially in that period of history. American and Canadian kids, and now kids all over Latin America, the Carribbean, and parts of Asia have grown up playing and loving it for generations. Football can’t say this. Basketball can’t say this. Soccer, with the exception maybe of the UK (I don’t know for certain), probably can’t say this. See Ken Burns’ “Baseball” if you don’t believe me.
Baseball is a game of wit and reflexes. The pitcher and hitter are constantly trying to outhink and outduel each other. The slightest change in grip can completely alter a pitch. Hitting said pitch has been scientifically proven to be the most difficult task in sports. A third of a second can be the difference between a ground out and a single, or a strike and a homerun. It is the only game where the defense has the ball. It has the largest field on which 18 men are constantly locked in a struggle for victory. The game can change in a flash, on any pitch. ( See my favorite, most recent example. )
Finally, my favorite part of the game; there is no clock. The game and the season are not over until someone actually wins and someone actually loses. There is no taking a knee, no dribbling because the shot clock is longer than the game clock. Two teams are tied at the end of the season…they play for that last playoff berth instead of deferring to head-to-head record or point differential, and give their fans 110% effort until the last out. No team is saved or screwed by the buzzer, they are saved or screwed by their own performance. Some people say it’s slow and boring. I argue otherwise, each pitch advances the game and can result in a run. Each pitch is technically play action. The pitches are the seconds, the outs are the minutes and the innings are the periods. The game methodically moves along as each chance is extinguished by the players, no matter how long it takes, until victory is achieved. This is true competition and a true test of a team and its skills. This competition remains the same from Opening Day until the final out of Game 7 of the World Series in front of whichever team’s loyal fans get the hard-earned privelege of witnessing it.
That is why I love baseball and why I feel it is the greatest sport yet invented. If you prefer one of the other sports, I have no problem with that. Like what you like and please don’t take offense to this because it’s just my opinion. All of the sports I mentioned require talent, athleticism and practice, this is just my defense of baseball in comparison to its competition. Comment away or TL;DR
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"You gotta have nuts." - Torii Hunter / Part-Time Nemesis of the HH Reply Function
by Commander_Nate on Feb 18, 2010 10:11 AM PST reply actions 6 recs
i hope you wont mind
if i decide to memorize and recite your “why baseball is the greatest” arguement to my friends. I love baseball so much I thought it would be beyond words. You have proven me wrong.
Reading this just made my day. Thank you.
2009 was good. Now on to 2010 - Let's go Halos!
You're welcome, go right ahead.
"You gotta have nuts." - Torii Hunter / Part-Time Nemesis of the HH Reply Function
by Commander_Nate on Feb 18, 2010 11:52 AM PST up reply actions
Dude, I was goinf to rip on this Tolstoy of a post
but I actually fought through it and it is very well stated.
I must not fear. Fear is the mind-killer.
Here here!
For the record though, Sports Science (and all its glory) declared that a softball is harder to hit than a baseball when thrown by a major leaguer. Softballs rise as they approach the plate and they arrive with greater force in a shorter time than a baseball (.395 seconds to .350 seconds)
Personally though, I think hitting a baseball is tougher because it can have more complex movement and the barrel of the bat is smaller making the sweetspot smaller.
by BruinHalo on Feb 18, 2010 11:47 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
Yeah I know, maybe a should've put a *
But part of their reasoning was because softballs tend to have rising action whereas baseballs tend to have falling action and gravity helps a baseball player just slightly when he drops his hands to meet the ball, but slightly hinders a softball swing.
There’s also a significant differential in pitch speed and all of the various pitch-types like you said. Plus, most softball players follow baseball.
"You gotta have nuts." - Torii Hunter / Part-Time Nemesis of the HH Reply Function
by Commander_Nate on Feb 18, 2010 11:56 AM PST up reply actions
Dammit.
It was gonna be ME who pointed that out. *storms out of room *
LBPhadDJaxFirst
by Figgi4life on Feb 18, 2010 3:11 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
if I knew when the damn season was you know, in progress
That’s the easiest part!
It’s the opposite of the baseball season. Baseball playoffs are in October, Hockey season starts in October. Baseball starts in April, Hockey playoffs start in April.
We all are love and love is hard
I know
I was being semi-sarcastic. My point was that it gets drowned out of the media by the other major sports, especially football.
I live in San Diego where they occasionally broadcast Ducks or Kings games, but you’ll never hear anything about them unless you go out of your way to find them.
"You gotta have nuts." - Torii Hunter / Part-Time Nemesis of the HH Reply Function
by Commander_Nate on Feb 18, 2010 2:23 PM PST up reply actions
I could have sworn this was stirrups' post before I scrolled down. LOL
The 2009 Pregame Picks Winner and Iron Man of Halos Heaven.com
C'mon
If it were from Stirrups it would have been obtuse, the vocabulary would have been arcane, it would have eventually drifted into Joyce-like stream-of-conscious surrealism and most of all — it would have made me laugh.
I must not fear. Fear is the mind-killer.
Baseball and Hockey
are my two favorite sports. Angels and Ducks forever! :D
"Just another Halo victory" - Rory Markas
I would probably be the same
If I hadn’t been living in the terrible sports town that is San Diego for the last 4 years or so. Hell, I’d probably even buy a jersey. Hiller did a sick job last night as goalie for Switzerland in the Canada-Switzerland game if you saw that. He automatically became my favorite Duck because of his performance. Anyone who can block that many shots, take a knee to the dome and keep going is a badass in my book.
"You gotta have nuts." - Torii Hunter / Part-Time Nemesis of the HH Reply Function
by Commander_Nate on Feb 19, 2010 9:09 AM PST up reply actions
Me too...
Except it’s the Kings. Sorry. I’ve been a Kings fan since I was a kid.
Angels baseball. We do what we must, because we can -- HaloDutch
It’s cool, it’s just weird. I know people who are Dodgers-Ducks and people who are Angels-Kings. Strikes me as odd, but whatever works for you is cool.
We all are love and love is hard
Well, when I was a kid ('60s and '70s)
There was no such thing as the Mighty Ducks/Anaheim Ducks, so the Kings were about it for SoCal pro hockey.
Angels baseball. We do what we must, because we can -- HaloDutch
Lies!
I don’t think vulcanized rubber was invented until the 80’s! :P
I remember how bitter all the old-time Kings fans were when the great 99 came here. All the bandwagon fans, inability to just walk down to any seat you wanted, etc.
Since I used to play hockey back then, I went to a few games here and there. Man the wagoners were SO transparent it was painful. I’ll never forget this one game where a group of guys were yelling Go Gretzky!!!!…
…only one problem. His line wasn’t on the ice. Sweet jesus.
We’re you happy for LA hockey with his arrival or bitter at the fakers who made your tickets cost 3x as much?
The silver and black transformation and trendyness is what turned me away from being a Kings fan...
Marcel Dionne is still the greatest King in my mind. KHJ TV (CH9) on random saturdays here and there was all I got to watch. Purple and Gold @ the Fabulous Forum, bka “The house that Jack built.”
I love this team.
by Downing Rules on Feb 19, 2010 3:47 PM PST up reply actions
I remember the Miracle on Manchester.
Angels baseball. We do what we must, because we can -- HaloDutch
Yeah, good times...
Yeah, the purple and gold days were great.
I think it’s like that feeling when you find a small indie band and listen to them all the time, turn your friends on to them, watch intimate shows at the El Rey or Troubadour…
…and then they do a car commercial and next thing you know tickets cost $200 to pack into a seated venue while 2 fake blondes spend half the gig talking on their cell phones.
But I digress and am not bitter as you can tell.
cough
new member of HH here, but what puts baseball ahead of other sports for me is
that enduring feeling you get as the season finally starts and the weather begins to turn wonderfully warm again. The green grass and the sound of the organ before the game, with a dog and a cold one in your hands with your dad/brother/best buddy sitting next to you. watching the Halos take the field for opening day with the huge American flag draped across the field and the jets roaring by overhead as some child prodigy belts out “…and the home of the braaaaave”—there is no feeling quite like that, and that’s just opening day.
Mama raised me right: to hate those self-righteous bastards from back east that talk funny and those noisy blue assholes next door.
Great post,
and welcome!
"Precious in the sight of the Lord, is the death of His Saints." - Psalm 116:15 Rest In Peace, Nick.
The sound of the organ?
I remember that but it’s been a few years since there was one at Angels stadium.
THIS… IS… ANAHEIM!!
The sound of the electric synthesized horn section
Geebus OJ, pee on the guy’s parade why don’t you. ;)
I must not fear. Fear is the mind-killer.
Or, as John Fogerty so accurately said...
Well, beat the drum and hold the phone – the sun came out today!
We’re born again, there’s new grass on the field.
Angels baseball. We do what we must, because we can -- HaloDutch
History
The game has far more characters that I’m interested in; both past and present. All sports have their stars, but baseball players are more relatable, in many ways. Every season is a daily journey full of twists, turns, conflict, joy, sadness, etc. I just can’t get enough.
http://truegrich.blogspot.com
http://twitter.com/truegrich
This is the sappiest thread I've ever read here
Hoochie Hands Off Hunter's Hunky Hardware - actual title of a post by RevHF, 2/12/10
Because baseball is so special it inspires words such as these:
“Well, you know I… I never got to bat in the major leagues. I would have liked to have had that chance. Just once. To stare down a big league pitcher. To stare him down, and just as he goes into his windup, wink. Make him think you know something he doesn’t. That’s what I wish for. Chance to squint at a sky so blue that it hurts your eyes just to look at it. To feel the tingling in your arm as you connect with the ball. To run the bases – stretch a double into a triple, and flop face-first into third, wrap your arms around the bag. That’s my wish, Ray Kinsella. That’s my wish. And is there enough magic out there in the moonlight to make this dream come true?”
You beat me to the Field of Dreams
I would have quoted James Earl Jones instead:
As Terrance Mann in :
The one constant through all the years, Ray, has been baseball. America has rolled by like an army of steamrollers. It’s been erased like a blackboard, rebuilt, and erased again. But baseball has marked the time. This field, this game, is part of our past, Ray. It reminds us of all that once was good, and that could be again.
by righteous halo on Feb 18, 2010 12:06 PM PST up reply actions
All___Senior___Citizens___Should___Have___LifeAlert
"Precious in the sight of the Lord, is the death of His Saints." - Psalm 116:15 Rest In Peace, Nick.
by angels4adam on Feb 19, 2010 2:42 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Read___My___Lips___No___New___Taxes.
There were new taxes. What are we talking about again?
1 line siggy line because I was asked nicely. Go Angels! helpfindscottajob@gmail.com
I'm surprised you didn't break out this classic movie quote...
“God… if there is a God… if you’re a man or a woman… if you’re listening, I’d really, really like a family. My dad says that will only happen if the Angels win the pennant. The baseball team, I mean. So, maybe you can help them win a little. Amen. Oh, A-woman, too. "
"All I need are some tasty waves, a cool buzz, and I'm fine."
by Quad Fin Rider on Feb 18, 2010 9:18 PM PST up reply actions
you absolutely nailed this one
I could have written everything you wrote. One day when my sister was visiting I had the radio tuned to the Angels’ game while we talked. Suddenly, she exclaimed how comfortable and relaxed she felt (I chalked it up to my own tremendous presence). Then she mentioned that it was the Angels’ game on the radio, reminding her of Dad, childhood, and everything that was right in the world that had such a soothing effect on her. And she was right.
A couple of years ago before my dad passed away, he said to me just as the season was ending, “Well, Monica, baseball’s over. What’ll we do now?” (I quietly began humming the USC fight song!)
Im just enjoying my comfy seat on the bandwagon
since I jumped on in ’02.
Whats a Fergosi?
I brought sexy back, but they only gave me store credit....
by PhiSlamma on Feb 18, 2010 1:33 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
The idea of NFL being more exciting is a misperception.
With football, the game is only sixty minutes and they play far fewer games than in a season of baseball. A football fan is there by forced to compact all his/her emotion and excitement into the restricted time frame. Watching baseball with games played nearly everyday, and a much longer season, a fan can spread out the passion. Having a week of time between NFL games allows the media and the fans to hype the shit out of themselves in the build-up to the game that naturally increases anticipation, passion and excitement. In baseball there really is’nt enough time between games for all the extra hype except maybe the post season.
The 2009 Pregame Picks Winner and Iron Man of Halos Heaven.com
It's a lifestyle
That’s why while I love both sports, I’d pick baseball all the time. Most days between March and October, I know there will be a baseball game to look forward to.
Also, the clock thing is big with me. No matter how far ahead you are, you can lose. No matter how far behind you are, you can win.
I care about baseball, because...
it is a game that was introduced to me by my grandparents. Their affection for the game infected me and gave me a love of the game, both as a spectator and as a player.
The good weather, the crazy little rules in the game, the requirement of team effort to reach a goal … all those things put together make baseball a great sport to care about.
I love this team.
We must just be geeking for ST to start...
Wow, I didn’t expect all the genuine responses and instead was ready for “WTF noob, because it pwns!!!1uno” (which now guarantees that will be incoming within 15 minutes :P)
It’s interesting reading other opinions because it makes me wonder why I give such a shit about players making millions and who will never know or care that I exist.
In a nutshell though as a few mentioned, it simply became a lifestyle for me more than any other sport can provide, even with the NFL still being my #1.
But some comments based on what I read and why you love the game:
1) Past experiences with baseball keeps it dear – While I agree that most everyone I know played little league at the very least compared to any real football, couldn’t one argue that this would drive the NBA to feel even more connected to most? Regardless of age, it is pretty easy to get a quick pick-up game, etc. yet it makes me care little about the NBA. But I can see that baseball involvement is what got many interested as fans at an early age, but does that still have an effect now that you are older?
2) Weather – Hmmm maybe in SoCal we’re blessed, but I wonder how much this matters to other fans in other cities. For the record also, I wish they would play through rain and snow like the NFL :P Yeah, yeah I know it affects the quality of the game but it does so in the NFL too, yet some of the most memorable games are ones in adverse conditions. Anyway, I know I’m in a small minority here.
3) Sounds – Yeah baseball definitely has unique sounds that are universal. While I LOVE the crunch of pads and grunts of the linemen in football, it could sound like a hockey check or rugby skirmish so it’s not quite universal like the crack of a bat or a ball slamming the leather of a well-oiled mitt.
4) Smells – Yeah, hands down this is a clear favorite of mine. Fresh cut grass smell floating in over the hot air layers on a warm summer day, peanuts and hotdogs, etc. etc. Can’t ever take that away :)
5) Social aspect – I never thought about it but the pace of baseball (one many would say is a negative) allows for great social outings! It’s the only sport I take my wife too and that she actually enjoys and this is huge, especially once you have kids. Never quite considered it that way.
6) Because the game is perfect – Really? Maybe what I dig is the lack of perfection. WHY is it that it’s the only major sport that won’t allow instant replays to help prevent innacurate outcome of a game, especially given all the bang-bang plays? bad flashbacks to the White Sox playoff series Yeah, I know there are many of you traditionalists out there but I think the NFL has the perfect model and hope the MLB moves in that direction one day.
But I’m also curious – is baseball your FAVORITE or would it still be the one sport you’d keep if you could only keep one?
@ Quad Fin Rider - Haha yeah it’s why I played hockey for a while… I wasn’t big enough for football, tall enough for the NBA, or strong enough (power) for baseball but had the speed for hockey. Damn us ’tweeners!
@ Nate – Nice thoughts, and I dig wall of texts when there is value in reading it :)
But your negative of the NFL being short and so few games is also what many consider it’s strength and what NO other sport offers – a league where EVERY game is extremely meaningful. In effect, the exact knock many have of the MLB and the 1838198754323 games played in a season (despite how we love it).
Also, I consider the risk of taking penalties in the NFL is a very important strategic element. Same with the NBA in that there is always some risk/reward (or in some cases stupidity). One can argue (and many have) that the foul ball in MLB causes their eyes to dry up with boredom. Is that worse than penalties if you remove emotion? The throws to first, step-off from the mound, etc.
@ Laanglr – I take you like to fish, and yes – the social aspect of baseball is the best of any sport for me, never thought of that.
WTF noob, because it pwns!!!1uno
Sorry… someone had to do it.
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On the NFL
Again, I don’t really have a problem with the length of the season. Because of the nature of football, it has to be short and only played once a week or so, I totally understand that. The main reason I brought up the small amount of games was to counter the popularity argument. If the NFL played anywhere near as often as say, basketball or hockey, it’s popularity would fall because there are more games to spread the hype out over. It’s basically supply and demand.
In the same way, I think the MLB season works for baseball, primarily because of the pitchers. That and baseball is a game of rythym. You need to significantly test each team’s rotation and pen and we’ve all seen how even a few days off can kill players’ rythym (stupid FOX/TBS controlled playoff schedule anyone?).
As far as penalties, I don’t like them because most of them aren’t really a part of the game and they slow the game down needlessly. That and they seem to keep adding new ones every year. Some I think are necessary, the horse collar, unnecessary roughness, offsides, too many men on the field, etc. Do we really need 80+ of them though? I feel that unless it directly affects the play or was totally outrageous (a punch to the head or something) it shouldn’t matter. Even sportscasters and big NFL fans I know get tired of seeing interception returns called back because of some lame technicality in the backfield. Just let ’em play the game like they used to not that long ago. I like watching football, but often times the refs just kill the spirit of the game.
Fouls and pickoffs do slow baseball down, I agree, but they aren’t penalties. Instead, they are and integral part of the game. Foul balls are the exact same thing as running or throwing out of bounds in football, and two of them do actually count for strikes and move the game along. Pickoffs I would say are most similar to either an interception or a sack, I can’t decide which. Essentially it’s the only way the defense in baseball can reverse a gain by the offense and hand them a loss of progress.
Hope that clarifies my view a little more.
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by Commander_Nate on Feb 19, 2010 8:48 AM PST up reply actions
I got ya...
It is weird when you stop to think about the fact that baseball is the only major sport that doesn’t have any sort of ‘foul’ or ‘penalty’ that is given to players, mostly of course because there is no physical contact ever – outside of the rare collission at home plate.
But that is why I equate penalties to pick-off throws, etc. There are SO many near holds that could be called in the NFL and it is almost an art of how close to push the envelope, slow/control your opponent, while not drawing a penalty. Same with the NBA (at least in the old days when the game was more physical) and NHL.
Great pitchers can control the running game, but it really slows the game down – and yet it is also an art of sorts. As fans, we accept it but casual observers I’m around ALWAYS b!tch about how boring it is. I think in both sports, it’s a necessary evil at worst and a strategic advantage to a good team at best.
After all, the Raiders and penalties are like peanut butter and jelly! Can’t have one without the other.
Baseball
is the best combination of strategy and chance. People who don’t like baseball basically are saying that they don’t like pitching. The largest part of the game is that strategical mind game of the pitcher/catcher vs. the hitter. If you can’t enjoy that then you don’t like baseball.
Then there is the chance element of where the ball is hit, what kind of bounce it takes, etc. It’s why no one really bets on baseball. OK I take my chances on some parlays once in a while, but haven’t hit too many.
It makes for endlessly engaging, unpredictable viewing.
There are hundreds of other reasons, which have already been eloquently statedby my Angels bretheren.
Writing about baseball is like ...
dancing about architecture. Why do I love baseball? Here are a few reasons: the Angels’ pennant drive in 1979. Getting inside the game by reading Jim Bouton and Bill James. Reggie Jackson’s cockiness. Wally Joyner’s humility. Gary Pettis playing center field as if on ice skates, powered by a jet pack. Jim Abbott tucking his glove under his arm. The passion of Grich yelling at Moose Stubing while rounding third base in the playoffs in 86. Brian Downing’s Angel Hall of Fame speech. Jared Weaver going out to centerfield and touching Number 34 after the playoff victory. Gene Autry, Arte Moreno both doing right by the fans. The heartbreak of 86. The joy of 02.
Is that enough?
Just Another Halo Victory / Rory Markas 1955 - 2010
I wonder what Jim Abbott is up to these days...
He was probably the easiest sports figure in the history of SoCal sports to root for, no matter who you were. I think Eckstein might be second just the ‘every man / little man’ aspect.
One of the major reasons I love and care about baseball
Has to do with its omnipresent nature throughout my life, as many of you have discussed. I have always been immersed in the warm cocoon of baseball, particularly in terms of listening to it on the radio. When I was a kid, my gramps and I would listen to Yankee games in Connecticut on the radio, and i would always have my transitor radio close to my ear to catch the exciting broadcasts of Phil Rizzoto and Jerry Coleman, among others. Nowadays, the omnipresentness (sorry, Bushism there…) has increased, and everywhere and at all times viritually you can see baseball on the TV and internet, I have the Angels games and commentary (with the basically new Jeff Biggs show bringing only Angels to us for 3 hours a day) playing as I travel to and fro from work, chauffering the kids about town, doing dinner and cleaning up, walking the dog, having sex (ok, maybe not then…); how great and comforting in this disturbing world to hear the voices of Terry Smith, Rory Markus, Gubi and Hud, Mota, and Biggsy as a part of a sort of vast Zen meditative baseball mantra restoring psychic equilibrium (except when Fuentes is pitching ;)—basesball as a spiritual rebirth, as our religion, Soth and Arte as our high priests and sages.
Add to that the fun in discussing Angels baseball with friends and strangers alike, and this outstanding and as Sothball put it—“addictive”— Halo Heaven website, and one truly feels even more attached to baseball…
In addition, my family—young and old—digs the Angels, and that may be the biggest reason I care about baseball, Fogster.
Because if makes me money. Lots of money
After 9 years of sports gambling, baseball is the only sport that allows me to truly “beat the house”.
Sigh
I wish I had someone in my family or close friends that care about baseball. Most give a less !@#& about sports or are NFL/NBA fans.
But then I guess over the years I took the solace in looking at baseball as ‘my time’. A sort of repreive from the day-to-day grind where I don’t have to make small talk, pretend to listen or care, and mostly just dissappear.
Yeah, that might make me sound anti-social but I’m really not. On the few occassions (I live in LA proper) I do spend time with fellow Angel fans, it’s great…but otherwise I rather be alone enjoying the game as my escape than pretending to be social.
I don’t mind the wife because that is different and she comes to games just to enjoy everything about the social aspects of it, but I must admit…there have been a few occassions where I had to go to ‘work’ on Sunday morning but really just wanted to drive down from LA to catch a Sunday afternoon game by myself – pure relaxation.
That probably makes me a bad person but while I’m doing it, no complaints!
Why do I breathe?
Because its involuntary.
“It reminds of us of all that once was good and it could be again.”
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Here I stand; I can do no other.
"Sometimes I've believed as many as six impossible things before breakfast."
Baseball is special...
You can afford to go to the game more than once.
Hot dogs are abundent.
The team is with each other for 162+ games.
Each stadium is unique and memerable to each group of fans.
There is sadness when the season ends not just your team’s season ends.
One day you suck the next you are good.
You can play when you are 40 and still be good. [exception for nfl]{favre}
Every stadium dimensions are differnt and play a role in home feild advantage.
Only 8 teams reach the playoffs and that means somthing. [nfl 12/32] [nba and nhl 16/30]
Played mostly outdoors in beautiful weather.
You don’t often need a jacket or look very fancy.
You have villans.
You have nations.
You can keep the things that fly your way.
Fireworks happen on 4th of july and you enjoy it at the game.
Its played when there is no school.
Your team can go from worst to first to worst.
Very rare for someone to commit a crime.
You can see the trophy thought the year.
Free stuff is often availible when you walk in.
You can walk around the whole stadium and still watch the game without being a weirdo.
You can see their faces and let them sign their name for you.
You can have a parade at Disneyland.
Superstition is everywhere.
No other fan is as loyal.
Don’t belive me?
Explain cub’s fans.
Go on, how often can someone live and die and their children live and die and their children live and die without winning it all in your lifetime?
Angels are the best in the best sport around.
all star game at angels stadium
vote all your angels now!
yes now!
by angels all star 2010 on Mar 2, 2010 7:05 PM PST reply actions
Wow... you gave it some thought ;P
Normally for this type of discussion I always try and wear the hat of those who hate baseball and how they would fire back…
But not much I can disagree with.
I do agree that baseball fields probably have the most character of any major sport field. Hawkee is the least inspiring, followed very closely by the NBA. Football stadiums, especially college, can be pretty special but it’s more about the atmosphere than the look/feel. Also good point on the stadium nuances.
Definitely, as touched on by others above, and I think mostly because the season is so long in terms of games, it leaves a huge void in your day-to-day entertainment when gone so it can be tough. I always have that slight depression feeling like when you finish a good book and know there is no replacement in line…
Detractors would say the age thing of players lingering around as DH into or close to 40 is a bad thing actually. Good for the players, not good for the quality of the sport. I still think if there were better players, they would take those spots but I think detractors could have an arguement for the fact that big name 38 year olds can draw more fans and hence why they get the slots sometimes.
Definitely agree with the playoffs. Who doesn’t make it to the playoffs in hawkee or the NBA? I think the NFL has the best but once the wildcards were added, MLB comes close.
“You don’t often need a jacket or look very fancy” – Heh what sport do you need to look fancy for?!? You go to a lot of coordinated ice dancing matches or something?
And for the record, NO ONE can explain Cub fans ;P
Fancy in nba.
Not only do cortside seats are expensive everyone there looks fancy but also the playes always have to wear suits before the games. In baseball that doesn’t happen Spezio didn’t wear anything fancy on his video documentery to Angel stadium on the day of game 7. Have you seen anyone in a suit at a baseball game in the stands? If the cubs win in 2012 the world will end.
all star game at angels stadium
vote all your angels now!
yes now!
by angels all star 2010 on Mar 3, 2010 1:51 PM PST up reply actions
Yes, the new parks in NY in particular
You’ve got to be one of the privileged to afford those seats most of the time.
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by Commander_Nate on Mar 3, 2010 2:01 PM PST up reply actions

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