New Angels Billboard
On my way to work this morning i saw this new Angels Billboard This one is at the 405/110 interchange. I can only imagine all the angry Dodgers fans faces as they drive by that billboard everyday. It's nice to see Arte is still pushing his brand north. Has anyone seen any other Angels billboards in LA? I imagine they will start to put some all star related billboards up soon. via photos-d.ak.fbcdn.net.
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Love it!
I can hear Tevye singing in the background TRADITION! … tradition.
Hope there are plenty in the greater Los Angeles area. The billboard by my pad says “Size Matters” and is for Hustler Casino, ironically the smallest poker club in SoCal.
Nice 'fiddler' reference.
I love this team.
by Downing Rules on Feb 9, 2010 10:48 PM PST up reply actions
I saw one on the 10 freeway today heading into LA from Alhambra. It read ALL STAR GAME (GUARANTEED)— or something along those lines. I’ll try to snap a pic for you next time. Its nice seeing the posters in L.A. when I’m driving abouts. There’s also still one up in Pasadena off of Foothill (I think by the in and out off Allen) that has Vladdie hitting one to the stars.
I don't know
Does this billboard make anyone else’s head tilt to the side a bit? This is an approach I didn’t expect… maybe that’s the point? I’m just saying that if I weren’t an Angels fan I’d have plenty of retorts to this billboard at the ready.
I’d buy it better if they had used this logo instead:

"That ball went where he threw it!" - Rex Hudler
me too
I was a little confused with the meaning. It contradicts what’s going on this offseason
LBPhadDJaxFirst
Not by comparison!
We did more than divorce mccourt
by lightupthehalo29 on Feb 9, 2010 7:50 PM PST up reply actions
Yes. We must arm ourselves.
The ease with which the snark flows forth from this particular promotional angle is such that it remains beneath the dignity of we professionals. I predict a long season of serious verbal defense.
"God watches over drunks and third baseman." - the Immortal Leo Durocher, predicting the coming of Brandon Wood...
Absolutely right
I love the angle, but it will undoubtedly seem absurd to those who don’t know that there was a team called the Los Angeles Angels long before there was one called the Los Angeles Dodgers. In fact, there was a Los Angeles Angels team before there was a Brooklyn Dodgers team.
Also, the link seems to be gone now, but I recall reading in a history of the PCL that the reason umpires started using specific gestures in tandem with calls was to accommodate a deaf Angels player long ago.
Sure, these facts have tenuous connections to the present, but they should at least silence naysayers for a while. Also, the Angels still hold the record for the best first-season winning percentage of all expansion teams of any team sport.
Mostly, however, the Angel tradition of which I am most proud is that of being a class organization. On this point, the snark all flows the other way.
Tenuous, as in practically non-existent.
It is true that a long time ago there was a spectacularly successful minor leeague team called the Los Angeles Angels. A couple of years that team was considered the very best of all time in minor league ball. And it is true that a few of those minor league players later became members of the pro franchise in Anaheim. And it is true that our franchise purchased the name rights that once belonged to that club.
But there the connections end.
That team was not ours. It did not become ours. It was never a minor league affiliate of ours. It was never owned by our owners. And that team, after moving a couple of times, is still in operation. Up in Portland.
Worse, if any team around here wished to claim that club as part of their tradition, it would be the Dodgers. Because THOSE Los Angeles Angels became, more recently, the Albuquerque Dukes. Think Mike Piazza, Steve Sax, Orel Hershisher, Fernando Valenzuela, Davey Lopes among others. And, oh yeah, Mike Scioscia in his Blue Period.
Not so much our tradition. More inbound snark.
"God watches over drunks and third baseman." - the Immortal Leo Durocher, predicting the coming of Brandon Wood...
what is this a frickin deposition
“there the connections end?” seriously? SERIOUSLY? the connection is that it IS the same name. Get it… SAME. NAME. If Iran nukes us and MLB is reconstituted after 20 years of rebuilding and there is a team named the ANGELS, guess what? That will be my team.
If the NFL lands a football team back in the City Of Industry
and, by some miracle, Ed Roski forces them to give us back the name “Los Angeles Rams” and the old unis, THAT will be our team, too. But The Lombardi Award for Super Bowl 34 is gonna remain with that team in St. Louis no matter how long we hold our breath.
"God watches over drunks and third baseman." - the Immortal Leo Durocher, predicting the coming of Brandon Wood...
A closer examination
I would like you to cite the direct connection between O’Malleys purchase of the LA Angels and them becoming the Dukes… understand that minor league affiliates were not as cut and dried as they are today, but please, have at it.
O'Malley did not exactly "purchase" the LAA, as much as trade for them.
citing the Dodgers official history page on their web site:
Now, I would agree that taking the word of one Walter O’Malley on anything is a shady practice, at best. I would need to be able to spend more time doing library research to verify that this is the actual way that any title was transferred. However, the challenge is not whether the Dodgers owned the LAA, but whether or not the LAA can be traced to the Dukes, and did they remain associated with the Dodgers during that period.
The quickest way to cite references for that is to plow through Baseball-Reference.com. I have done this for you.
In 1956 the LAA were affiliated with the Chicago Cubs.
In 1957 the LAA were affiliated with the Brooklyn Dodgers. This supports the Dodgers official history cited above.
In 1958 the LAA drops off the history books. At the same time, the Spokane Indians appear.
If one compares the rosters between the 1957 LAA and the 1958 Spokane Indians, one will find that the following players played for both teams:
Bill George
Bob Jenkins
Chuck Page
Connie Grob
Dick Hanlon
Gale Wade
Glenn McMinn
Jim Baxes
John Jancse
Larry Sherry
Ralph Mauriello
Tom Saffell
From this, it can safely be implied that this is the same team, having relocated, and undergoing a normal roster turnover for a minor league team from one year to the next. And, as of this post, bbr.com continues to publish that the 1958 Spokane Indians were affiliated with the Dodgers.
In fact, one can track the Spokane Indians year after year and observe the roster turnovers all the way through the year 1971. And bbr.com continues to document that they remained affiliated with the LAD.
Now again we are going to have a change. Note the makeup of the 1971 PCL. There is a Spokane. There is no Albuquerque. Flash to 1972. Hmmm.
Comparing the rosters of the 1971 Spokane Indians and the 1972 Albuequerque Dukes, we again discover a slew of players who played for both squads. Some of these names will be eerily familiar to SoCal baseball fans:
Bill Ralston
Bruce Ellingsen
Charlie Hough
Davey Lopes
Doug Rau
George Lott
Gustavo Sposito
Jerry Stephenson
Joe Ferguson
Jose Pena
Marvin Galliher
Ron Cey
Sandy Vance
Tom Paciorek
Von Joshua
From this, we can infer that, once again, this is the same team, having relocated, and undergoing a normal roster turnover for a minor league team from one year to the next. And bbr.com, still(!), continues to publish that both the 1971 Indians AND the 1972 Dukes were affiliated with the Dodgers.
Now, yes, it is true. I do not have access to minor league baseball ownership documents. And it is also probably true that such documentation from the mid 50’s through the early 70’s might not even exist. That sort of research will require library time. I have already located a great reference on PCL minor league history up in the Redondo Beach Public Library which may be of some assistance. But such further research should only be required if one insists that Baseball-Reference.com is not to be considered sufficiently authoritative for our purposes here.
In conclusion, my original objection is that if we are going to embrace the 2010 marketing campaign for honoring the tradition of the Los Angeles Angels of Anaheim, it would do us well to understand what that tradition actual is,which includes knowing what it is not. And we really do have a great tradition. We see glimpses of it before every home game.
"God watches over drunks and third baseman." - the Immortal Leo Durocher, predicting the coming of Brandon Wood...
Well,
I used “infer” (logically precise) on time. The other time I used “imply” (grossly imprecise). So I was 1 and 1. 50/50. Or, in HH math, almost 75%.
And the airplane crashes.
"God watches over drunks and third baseman." - the Immortal Leo Durocher, predicting the coming of Brandon Wood...
Win.
On a preponderance of the evidence (and for research ‘above and beyond’).
But the jury awards no damages. Proved your case to within the technical requirements (and I, for one, found it interesting), but failed to acknowledge The People’s will.
Nobody cares (or even knew – until now) about this being the EXACT same team. There’s been an ‘Angels’ team in the LA area pretty much continuously since 1903 – and that’s good enough for (marketing to) The People.
I’d play it that way if I were Arte – and just flip the bird to the 5 geeks who actually knew otherwise.
"Sometimes I've believed as many as six impossible things before breakfast."
Who gives a rats ass
about ownership. Are the Ravens the real Browns? Do the Texans inherit the oiler records because the Titans left them in Houston? Who claims Johnny Unitus, Indy or Baltimore? The only thing that matters is the Name. Cities, owners, players all come and go, its the name that holds the tradition. The angels are the inheritor of the minor league tradition by common consesus and that makes it real. Otherwise the timberwolves would be making a claim to laker greatness…..
The word is no......I am therefore going anyway
James T. Kirk
"there the connections end?"
another connection – what about Wrigley Field, home to the PCL and MLB Los Angeles Angels?
TRADITION!
(beats the hell out of FANSTRONG)
i like it.
by Rex Fregosi on Feb 10, 2010 11:22 AM PST up reply actions
Well!
You called for arms in the coming battle of snark which you apparently fear, and I responded in support by providing my humble offering of same.
You then proceed to respond by attempting to snark my offerings into oblivion. I gather you don’t buy the “class organization” defense, either.
Very well, then; perhaps you’re right. But let me remind you that I am on your side in this. You would do better to keep your powder dry for the actual enemy.
Since you find my suggestions so devoid of value, perhaps you might put down your bile bazooka and propose some of your own arguments to support the idea of a laudable Angel tradition.
Or do you find it unsupportable?
'spence, I took exception ONLY to the legacy LAA reference.
If we are going to march into the territory of the enemy and plant our flag then, for starters, we need to make sure that the flag that we plant is not that of the enemy.
What we don’t want is to be in a debate and make the claim that we ARE that LAA team and that history, and have a knowledgeable Dodger fan turn to us and say: “What the fuck? You guys are crowing about your history and you don’t even know what that history is! The original Los Angeles Angels was a DODGER minor league team for more than 40 years, for chrissakes. We sold you your name like we sold you your fucking toilet paper. Learn what your tradition is before you start mouthing off about it.” And we walk away looking like knuckleheads. This, I would rather avoid.
But!! We could spin the case that the Dodgers destroyed what was the first of three glorious baseball traditions here in SoCal (ignoring the Pads, and for good reason), one well established and long-lasting, and ripped them out of LA and banished them to Spokane, Washington. The Dodgers did it out of greed, to erase any competition for their move from Brooklyn and their eventual land grab downtown. It was Gene Autry, one of the original Hollywood stars, that picked up the ashes that the Dodgers left of that franchise here, purchased that abandoned brand to honor his new AL team, and launched our tradition with the still-fresh memory of a great SoCal baseball history.
We use the LAA legacy to reinforce the notion that Dodgers = carpetbagging bad guys, while Angels = good guys in the white hats riding a horse named, aptly, “Champion”.
"God watches over drunks and third baseman." - the Immortal Leo Durocher, predicting the coming of Brandon Wood...
The ancestral name of L.A. baseball is the Angels
If what I have read over the years is correct, there has been a “Los Angeles Angels” from 1893-1957, 1961-1965; 2005-present.
Kind of like the Cleveland Browns. The original Browns are the Baltimore Ravens, but an expansion team adopted the name and colors and the “tradition” lives on.
The Milwaukee Brewers were charter A.L. members in 1901, then moved to St. Louis in 1902 as the Browns, then to Baltimore in 1954 as the Orioles. In 1970 the Seattle Pilots moved to Milwaukee and adopted the name Brewers.
The Baltimore Orioles were also charter A.L. members in 1901-02, then moved to New York as the Highlanders and then the Yankees.
To be honest with you, I never thought about the L.A. Angels minor league days in the billboard signage until it was brought up in this thread. I was thinking about the tradition started this decade. But I now see the double meaning, the Angels being the ancestral name of baseball in the area and the current streak of winning seasons and postseason appearances which are unprecedented in the MLB Angels history.
This organization is absolutely brilliant in marketing.
by California Cajun on Feb 12, 2010 7:23 PM PST up reply actions
I was captivated by your lead line
Now THERE’S a marketing campaign with gravitas:
“The ancestral name of L.A. baseball is… Angels”
"Sometimes I've believed as many as six impossible things before breakfast."
I don't buy the deaf guy story.
I would think the gestures were made for the fans before they were made for a deaf player. Plus, they could just have been made for ALL players, deaf or not. It’s a bit of a distance from home plate to the OF positions. Add in a crowd or other background noise (city traffic? IDK), and those motions become pretty important.
No matter what happens from here on, it has been a great season.
by Rally Manatee on Feb 9, 2010 11:42 PM PST up reply actions
I know that they were made for a hearing impaired player.
Don’t know what team he was a player with, but he was an outfielder. Umpires didn’t give a rats ass about the fans, or players, in the beginning.
Found it.
Well, there you go!
Facts are nice things. And now I have an idea why the source I read disappeared.
With all due respect
What you would think is not probitive.
As I said, the link to what I cited is gone, but if you have any sort of evidence that it is wrong, then give.
Look, you all, I’m just throwing ideas out there to support the Tradition theme. If you’ve got anything better, then offer it. Otherwise, what you are saying is that the Tradition theme is BS, and I doubt you want to say that.
DEVIL'S ADVOCATE, ZOE:
Say you are 20 (yeah, I can only wish as well)… the Angels have been a kick ass winning franchise since you were 12, and if you have been a fan of baseball since you were 8, they have been a winner for almost 3/4 of your baseball fan life.
Basically, we oldtimers are enjoying this early century run like a good hot streak in a craps game, but for many Angels fans, they only know a team with a deep winning tradition.
"Almost 3/4...",
…if not precisely 2/3.
"God watches over drunks and third baseman." - the Immortal Leo Durocher, predicting the coming of Brandon Wood...
In that case, got change for a twenty?
“Accuracy of statement is one of the first elements of truth; inaccuracy is a near kin to falsehood” – Tryon Edwards, American Theologian (1809 – 1894)
(Although this quote is sometimes attributed to Charles Simmons, who clearly plagiarized it.)
"God watches over drunks and third baseman." - the Immortal Leo Durocher, predicting the coming of Brandon Wood...
Nuttin' can bring me peace
’cept the triumph of my principles.
"God watches over drunks and third baseman." - the Immortal Leo Durocher, predicting the coming of Brandon Wood...
We are bantering via Ralph Waldo here...
But, for you, I could as easily proclaim that my primary principal is neutrality. Which, of course, would make any subsequent principal rather ironic…
"God watches over drunks and third baseman." - the Immortal Leo Durocher, predicting the coming of Brandon Wood...
Never enter a battle of wits
with an unarmed man.
"Precious in the sight of the Lord, is the death of His Saints." - Psalm 116:15 Rest In Peace, Nick.
by angels4adam on Feb 11, 2010 10:18 PM PST up reply actions
The tradition
Is to build from the farm, let our FAs go, and sign a few FAs as needed.
More specifically
Build the farm.
Once a player reaches his contract year, use him in trade talks.
Never. EVER. Trade that player.
Instead, wait for the year to end, and then don’t try to sign him.
Why didn’t they trade that player? We’ll never know.
LBPhadDJaxFirst
by Figgi4life on Feb 10, 2010 1:13 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
I'm lucky enough to live 5 minutes from the stadium.
So I drive by the big A on my way home from work everyday and they’ve been having that TRADITION on the new jumbo tron, it also says “Since 1961” below it. It’s an interesting marketing plan. I kinda like it
The bat of Howie will rise again!
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by The Furious Bat of Howie47 on Feb 9, 2010 7:50 PM PST via mobile reply actions
It is the Angels' 50th year as an MLB franchise.
Yeah, next year will be their 50th anniversary, but itt comes at the end of the 50th year.
Angels baseball. We do what we must, because we can -- HaloDutch
Perhaps it also symbolically toasts baseball as a grand 'tradition" itself
and making/keeping the Halos as part of ones’ involvement in that tradition—not so much comparing Angels to Dojers.
Billboards with Angels logo.
First lowering beer prices, now Angel logo on billboard.
ALL HAIL THE GENIUS.
What do you need a fancy suit for, Charlie, you ain't got no job to wear it to.
by clover_black on Feb 9, 2010 11:00 PM PST up reply actions
gonna fuck up some dude's FAN STRONG tattoo
by Rev Halofan on Feb 9, 2010 9:43 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Offseason is fair game on the f-bombs
The rule is to limit the profanities during the season and especially in game threads to prevent this board from becoming the filth-playground that is Lookout Landing.
I brought sexy back, but they only gave me store credit....
Offseason = fair game
Post season = OPEN SEASON!
FREE BRANDON WOOD!
by halofan4life on Feb 10, 2010 2:26 PM PST up reply actions
Are you being facetious?
"God watches over drunks and third baseman." - the Immortal Leo Durocher, predicting the coming of Brandon Wood...
The Dodgers plan to counter with a billboard of Ramon Ortiz.
No matter what happens from here on, it has been a great season.
by Rally Manatee on Feb 9, 2010 11:45 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
Hopefully with 3D ears that hang off the edges of the billboard.
I love this team.
by Downing Rules on Feb 10, 2010 12:01 AM PST up reply actions
Souvenir HR Ball Night at Doyer Stadium
Ned Colletti is a marketing genius
"All I need are some tasty waves, a cool buzz, and I'm fine."
by Quad Fin Rider on Feb 10, 2010 5:50 AM PST up reply actions
thnx
Welcome Rodney, Matsui, Piniero, Stokes, and WOOD!
by Rally Manatee on Feb 12, 2010 12:47 AM PST up reply actions
This billboard makes up for our lackluster off-season.
If this doesn’t get us the pennant, I’m not sure what will.
I've got nothing.
I do.
Fernando. FREAKING. Rodney. That’s what will get us the pennant.
LBPhadDJaxFirst
by Figgi4life on Feb 10, 2010 1:08 AM PST via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
Grossly overpaying mediocre free agents
Maybe that’s the Tradition being referred to
"All I need are some tasty waves, a cool buzz, and I'm fine."
by Quad Fin Rider on Feb 10, 2010 10:48 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
That billboard looks like an ad for Anheuser Busch beer from the distance.
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Coincidentally, Hideki Matsui was beechwood aged
Tape an aspirin on it
by Higz on Feb 10, 2010 9:51 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I love Dominguez Hills
It is like Carson Hills only with the hills….wait a minute.
Maybe it is just more like Compton with the reputation.
by SalmonStream on Feb 10, 2010 3:52 PM PST up reply actions
Those wacky doyer fans are at it again....
Lucky for them they made parole before spring training. And doyer backers wonder why everybody considers their “fans” to be thugs.
YOU DON'T KNOW THE POWER OF THE DARKSIDE.....
Truly.
I, for one, was expecting tea. Maybe crumpets.
"God watches over drunks and third baseman." - the Immortal Leo Durocher, predicting the coming of Brandon Wood...
Or, a watercress sandwich.
But for those fine folk, a dodger dog and 40 ounce will do. I for one was surprised to see no misspelled words in their act of vandalism.
YOU DON'T KNOW THE POWER OF THE DARKSIDE.....
Ah, Dodger "fans"
Not since the Raiders has there been a class of people more proud of shitting where they eat.
"That ball went where he threw it!" - Rex Hudler
by Zoe Necrosis on Feb 11, 2010 6:23 AM PST up reply actions 2 recs
You can tell by the rail ballast...
that this is Southern Pacific track (definitely not Santa Fe, which uses a reddish rock ballast). If that helps …
I love this team.
by Downing Rules on Feb 11, 2010 2:15 PM PST up reply actions
I thought SP was no more? All Union Pacific now.
"God watches over drunks and third baseman." - the Immortal Leo Durocher, predicting the coming of Brandon Wood...
Are you going to X-out the LA and Think Blue portions of this graffiti tonight?
Don’t get caught by the LAPD with a spray paint can in your hand!
Put it in the circular file!
I know about 86ing something/somebody. What’s an 187?
187 in graffiti means you're going to kill someone
Or at least that’s what all the kids used to say in junior high. I don’t know if gangs actually do tag 187 and then go kill the other person. Seems like kind of a dumb thing to do if you’re going to kill someone. “Hey, rival gang member, I’m going to kill you, and I just thought you should know that. That way you can be much more prepared and increase your chances of killing me when I try to kill you.”
I think the gangs should actually tag “I ♡” in front of the rival gang’s name. The gangster sees it and is all “Aww, how sweet” and then BLAM! he’s dead
Tape an aspirin on it
I learn something new everyday
Wear gloves if you do write 187 next to CT’s name. You don’t want to leave any fingerprints behind just in case something bad should happen to CT. Such nice thoughts for Valentine’s Eve!
California
PENAL CODE
SECTION 187
187. (a) Murder is the unlawful killing of a human being, or a
fetus, with malice aforethought.
It's Always Somethin'
cuz its
187 on an undercover cop
Aybar is a nowhere man, Sitting in his Nowhere Land, Making all his nowhere plans for nobody.
by princeton11loveshalos on Feb 14, 2010 12:00 PM PST up reply actions
Doyer fans are just jealous that our advertising is better than theirs

"All I need are some tasty waves, a cool buzz, and I'm fine."
by Quad Fin Rider on Feb 11, 2010 4:08 PM PST up reply actions 3 recs
like Rev said earlier
I see the “tradition” as being the last 8 years of winning. Dodger fans can’t argue with that. If they think they’ve had something to cheer about in the last 20 years, then they should take it up with these dudes.
Great billboard
Short, and to the point!
by California Cajun on Feb 11, 2010 9:05 AM PST reply actions

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