SI: Angels' Rotation Baseball's Deepest
TEMPE, Ariz. -- One of the most impressive facets of any team this spring is the depth of the Angels' rotation. For the position of No. 5 starter, which for the vast majority of teams is manned by a journeyman, an unproven kid or worse, the Angels will choose between Scott Kazmir, a former ace with the Rays, and Joel Pineiro, maybe the second best free-agent starter signed this winter . . . .
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It wasn't so much starting pitching that failed
I would say the bullpen didn’t cut it. Especially in the NY series. The starters did relatively well.
What? Not being able to put CC on the mound three times?
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I cant wait for the season to start
so i can see Kaz blow and Pin suck
I want SOS and Palmer to start over them
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Just of the Month
Come on Rev, give credit where it is due
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I'm glad somebody "over there" finally had some coffee and smelled the roses
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SI always gives the Angels love
but as an objective baseball fan, I don’t know if I agree with the assessment that our rotation is deepest. It’s certainly one of the 3 or 4 deepest, but a strong case could be made for the Yankees or Red Sox.
Which of those three rotations has the most question marks?
Angels:
Santana (he looks healthy, hope he brings it, but mentally he’s a creampuff )
Pineiro (not sold on him. looked like he was throwing BP yesterday. I know, it’s early.)
Saunders (like the guy. he battles. he pitches inside. he wins. keep waiting for the league to catch up though)
Yankees:
Hughes/Chamberlain (One’s unproven, one’s a fragile meathead)
Mitre (Is this gonna be their 5th starter?)
Burnett (some think he’s a question mark. I say good stuff + lots of run support = success)
Red Sox:
Matsuzaka (love the fact they overpaid for this dude. will go down as a bust)
Bucholz (unproven, but has a lot of upside. could be very legit)
I would give the edge to the Sox, as much as I hate to say it. Maybe they will catch the injury bug with the same severity we had last year.
Remember
We have SOS and Palmer
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Sorry not named after Guerrero...but would be cool
I would say the Angels because of the blend of experience and youth
The Red Sox would be second, because Dice-K is overrated and injury prone, Lackey and Beckett are aging and have had recent injury troubles, and I don’t know how Tim Wakefield is still pitching. Other than Lester or Bucholz, there’s not a sure thing or a ton of upside there. What they do have is quite good when it’s healthy.
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by Commander_Nate on Mar 15, 2010 10:00 PM PDT up reply actions
So you're basically hoping for injuries.
Because in terms of performance, Beckett and Lackey are as “sure thing” as one gets in baseball. Each has pitched at least 24 games a season over the past six seasons — their injuries have been comparatively slight relative to the competition. Outside of Beckett’s 2006 season (where he went 16-11 over 204.2 innings, but delivered a 5.03 ERA despite it all), both guys have averaged between 3.01 and 4.03 ERA since 2005.
I don’t want to boost the competition just to boost them, but it’s silly to exaggerate the Halos’ strengths and exaggerate Boston’s weaknesses just for the sake of boosterism. If the rotations were swapped, there’s not a day in 365 that you would concede a Boston rotation of Weaver-Pineiro-Kazmir-Santana-Saunders was better. Let’s be honest.
Between Santana, Kazmir and Saunders you have three pitchers who delivered ERAs in the high-fours and low-fives last season, and who all saw time on the DL. We have one “sure thing” in the rotation, and that’s Weaver. Injury to him, and we’re fingering the darkening gloam, Commander.
by Turks Teeth on Mar 15, 2010 10:52 PM PDT up reply actions
I'll simplify it
Our rotation is younger and has more upside. It’s marginally better than Boston’s, not markedly.
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by Commander_Nate on Mar 16, 2010 9:37 AM PDT up reply actions
I can still recall going round and round with somebody around here years ago,
when I called the Boston signing a huge mistake way back when they did it. I don’t remember who it was, but they were predicting that Boston would own the Japanese market, and Dice-K would rule the mound, and all kinds of balony.
"God watches over drunks and third baseman." - the Immortal Leo Durocher, predicting the coming of Brandon Wood...
Since you asked...
go here.
I don’t have a recipe for crow, but THIS is an unbeleivable “guy recipe” for balony!!!!
"God watches over drunks and third baseman." - the Immortal Leo Durocher, predicting the coming of Brandon Wood...
Knowing we have SOS's
straight-as-an-arrow 89 mph fastball as insurance helps me sleep at night.
by tolbs1010 on Mar 15, 2010 9:46 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
You read through the article, and it's pretty fluffy.
There must be a breathless Halos fan on the SI roster, because they’re always patting our behinds.
Beyond a bunch of bullish Sothisms that Mike would utter over any starting five he presided over, the whole SI argument comes down to: (1) The rotation is so solid that Kazmir or Pineiro is our #5! and (2) Pineiro had a good year last year — arguably better than Lackey.
Argument #1 always seems like softheaded mumbo when I hear it. What’s really to say who our “#5” pitcher is? Why shouldn’t it be Saunders or Santana? It’s a total shell-game. Kazmir, Pineiro, Saunders and Santana all have so many question marks over them — any one of them could be a #2 or a project that won’t see half a season’s worth of starts. They’ve all had recent injuries or mechanical problems — they’ve all had extreme highs and lows.
And #2 is only notable if Pineiro proves he can repeat it. I’ve already sounded off on this, so I won’t repeat it myself.
If everything falls into place this season — and I mean everything — we’ll have a deep and solid rotation. But any wheel can — and is more likely than not — to come off. And when O’Sullivan, Bell and Palmer are our next best options, it’s a shallow well. (All hail 2009 Matt Palmer — but lightning usually only strikes twice in the Guinness editions.)
I don't think it requires everything (pitching related) to fall into place for us to succeed
Last year our pitching sucked and we still won the division. Not saying we can definitely cope, but our management has a history of doing the best with the resources available. Like Matt Palmer. Scioscia you bloody genius you.
In any case, what we have done is spread our risk well (i.e. 5 guys that could all lead our staff). If one wheel comes of we can still get to the garage on three or use the spare in the trunk.
Every AL West team have pitchers with recent injuries or mechanical problems:
The Rangers have Harden (whats the over on him reaching 140 innings?) and are relying on a pitcher who has been playing in Japan because he wasn’t good enough previously in Colby Lewis. Also 2nd year pitcher Holland (teams will have a better read on him, and he wasn’t too hot last year in any case) and Feldman, who has a similar past history to Joe Saunders (yet by all accounts, he is their number 1, whilst Joe is our number 4?).
Oakland have a guy 2 guys who didn’t pitch last year in Sheets and Duscherer. One is already injured (Duke) the other is having a historically bad spring (Sheets) even by his own reckoning. Braden has been having injury issues (can’t feel some of his toes) and is average, Brett Anderson is another sophmore pitcher that has some Verducci effect worries. Seriously the guy through a ton of pitches last year, and many of them sliders. I wouldn’t be surprised to see him go down. And their 5th spot is in flux.
Seattle have Felix who is probably the safest bet in the West. But Lee struggled the first half last year with Cleveland, and i’m still not sold on his overall greatness. Of course he’s a pretty solid bet too. But after that: Bedard out for half the season at least with the same injury Escobar suffered. RRS is average to ok, but has never pitched significant innings. And their fluff 4/5 have been poor in previous years and so far this spring as well.
So everyone has issues. People pore over our deficiency for a ‘go-to-guy’ but there are some major concerns being swept under the rug for the other AL West teams. And I also would say that only Seattle have a real go to guy in the West in King Felix. Its a toss up for me between our SP and Seattle on who you prefer. Depends on the influence you place with a top 1-2. And how a drop of like Seattle’s 3/4/5 affect them.
However we have spread our pitching risk and have a better bullpen this year (everyone assumes 2009 was a trend and predicts our bullpen to be crap, conveniently forgetting that for the past decade our bullpen has been consistently one of our greatest assets and biggest strengths, I invoke the power of the outlier!).
Now how we perform in the postseason (yes, we will be there #pinkie to mouth#) against the juggernaught pitching of Boston and the Yankees… well, i’m just hoping this is the year that a couple of our pitchers (looking at you Lil’ Weave and Magic) turn into true leaders and bulldogs. Because we will need it against our postseason rivals.
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