Top 9 Moments in Franchise History
What do you guys think of this list mlb.com has put together?
1. Erstad… Makes the Catch
2. 2002 World Series Game 6
3. Nolan Ryan 2 No-Hitters ‘73
4. Win first division title ‘79
5. Nolan Ryan breaks single season K record ‘73
6. Dick Schofield 1986 walkoff Grand Slam
7. Adam Kennedy’s 3 HR ALCS Game
8. ALDS Sweep of Boston ‘09
9. Frankie breaks the single season Saves record ’08
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pretty good but
More than beating Boston in the 09 ALDS, The pennant race of 2004, winning the West in an exciting fashion over Oakland and their 3 aces at their peak was bigger, more exciting.
Mike Witt’s perfect game a bigger deal than Frankie’s Saves record.
Ditto on the perfect game
FREE BRANDON WOOD!
by halofan4life on Mar 19, 2010 12:00 PM PDT up reply actions
Perfect Game
Even though it was at the end of the season, I think the Perfect Game from Mike Witt should be in the Top 9 moments of Angels History.
by Angelfan1983 on Mar 22, 2010 11:15 AM PDT up reply actions
That is the quintessential "If a tree falls in the forest and no one is there to hear it, does it make a sound?" moment.
"God watches over drunks and third baseman." - the Immortal Leo Durocher, predicting the coming of Brandon Wood...
Yeah, I was there for number 9 and I made a lot of noise... but it wasn't much of a moment even still.
Rest in peace, Rory. When I think of some of the greatest moments in my Angels fandom, I hear your voice describing them. Thanks for everything you gave us.
flip flop 3 and 4
and move sweep of Boston up a spot too
My prediction as of 12-11-2009- Wood .265 avg, 20 HRs 70 RBIs and an above average glove at 3b
by Sinatrasratpack on Mar 19, 2010 12:54 AM PDT reply actions
While I know this isn't a "moment' per se but rather a milestone...
To me, Sosh becoming the skipper of the club was much greater than something like Frankie breaking the save record.
That was soooo anticlimactic (except for him I guess).
How about winning our first postseason series
by toppling an extreme favorite in dominating fashion, featuring a huge (6 run?) comeback in game three, capped by a game 4 with an 8-run 5th inning?
or Adam Kennedy’s 3 home run game?
Or even getting to the playoffs that year for the first time in 18 years?
So much about that entire season/postseason, really.
by Caseys Kiss of Death on Mar 19, 2010 1:58 AM PDT reply actions
No it's not
I was specifically referring to our “first playoff appearance in 18 years,” in re: our 2002 appearance. Not on the list.
by Caseys Kiss of Death on Mar 19, 2010 8:48 AM PDT up reply actions
Except that was 16 years
2002-1986 – 16
18 years refers to the period 1961-1979.
Angels baseball. We do what we must, because we can -- HaloDutch
Oops, bad math
but I made it clear in the first post which i was referring to, anyway:
Or even getting to the playoffs that year
…after a full post dedicated to that one specific year.
by Caseys Kiss of Death on Mar 19, 2010 9:25 AM PDT up reply actions
For me
Game 6, Spiezio’s HR/the comeback, is the best moment. That was the ’tipping point."
Captain, there are doubt's...
Of all the Angels games I've seen (including attending Game 7)
I never saw Game 6…
The truth is now out, and I feel liberated
It comes up on MLB Classics pretty frequently. I have one recorded on my DVR.
"God watches over drunks and third baseman." - the Immortal Leo Durocher, predicting the coming of Brandon Wood...
same as match day
that game 6 was the magic, the turn of the tide. it really seemed over after that. so i’d flip 1 and 2.
and beating the yankees was much more satisfying and thrillig than kennedy’s game, or any, in beating the twins that year.
the sweep of boston was so great. so much bad playoff history there.
R.I.P. Nick Adenhart - Always an Angel
+1 more...
…game 6 remains the best event in this team’s history. Yes, they still had to win game 7, but 7 wouldn’t have occured without the drama of game 6.
To me, this game tops the 1980 US Hockey team defeat of the USSR. No matter whatever other s**tstorms this franchise encounters, we will always have 2002 World Series, game #6.
AK's 3rd HR should be in the Top 4
The Angels were losing 5-3 in the 7th, he had an 0-2 count, and he hit a three-run shot off of Johan Santana (a top-notch relief pitcher that year). It was truly an electrifying moment.
It’s fine to have Ryan on the list, but one mention is enough.
Though it was an off-field moment, I thought the signing of Reggie Jackson was more exciting than K-Rod breaking the save record.
Number 8 needs to be higher
What a great feeling killing the Red Soxs
FATHER OF A WONDERFUL SON VLADIMIR
Sorry not named after Guerrero...but would be cool
I'm not sure I want it any higher
it would make us look sort of petty to dedicate one of the greatest moments in all of franchise history to winning an ALDS series (that ultimately went nowhere) primarily because of our hatred for the franchise involved, particularly with the (relatively) recent exponential growth in our hatred for them, even if it does stem from ’86.
by Caseys Kiss of Death on Mar 19, 2010 9:27 AM PDT up reply actions
i hate Red sux that much
FATHER OF A WONDERFUL SON VLADIMIR
Sorry not named after Guerrero...but would be cool
"Ding dong, the witch is dead."
Get over it. We already beat them. Jinxes have been reversed.
I love this team.
by Downing Rules on Mar 19, 2010 9:42 AM PDT up reply actions
What about?
K-Rod making Barry Bonds look like a rookie
GA sliding (yes sliding) for a ball during the 2002 playoffs
Lackey (still dead to me) give up a hit to the first batter then throwing a no-hitter
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Sorry not named after Guerrero...but would be cool
I missed it!
GA actually Sliding for a ball….
by Angelfan1983 on Mar 22, 2010 11:18 AM PDT up reply actions
lazy GA was GA hustle that game
I had to do a double take. Rewatch the game you will see a slide by GA
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Sorry not named after Guerrero...but would be cool
Kind of depends on the definition of moment
Is it supposed to be one play (Spiezio HR), one great game (Game 6, AK, no hitters) or the sum work of an extended period (K record, saves, etc)
I definitely would have swapped the save record for something else. The save is far too overrated these days.
I might have put in Salmon’s 2 homers from game 2. If they had lost that game I’m pretty sure that Barry and co would have been hoisting that trophy.
The save record
is really dubious cause what it really means is that we couldn’t blow games wide open that year. So many save opportunities means there were too many close games.
Captain, there are doubt's...
by Match Day 5 on Mar 19, 2010 11:38 AM PDT up reply actions
You can come up with all kinds of reasons why some circumstance should not have occured,
but you cannot deny that a player put into those situations actually succeeded. Below “Fred Fredrix” posits Jim Edmonds’ diving catch (in Kansas City?) as a contender. Yep GREAT PLAY. But, using the same kind of approach against Edmonds that is commonly used against KRod, it could be said that Edminds was playing too shallow. If he had been positioned correctly that would not have been necessary.
It wasn’t Frankie’s idea to pitch only 3 outs. It wasn’t Frankie’s idea to pitch in situations that were not heavily leveraged against him. It wasn’t Frankie’s idea to pitch with certain score differentials. He just went out and pitched. And he succeeded.
Although I agree that the saves record does not belong in the pantheon of supreme achievements, it is still credible. The fact that he recorded that many saves is an indicator of how many chances he was submitted to, and how many times he remained healthy enough to compete, and how many times he had an opportunity to fail, and how few times he actually did fail given all those chances he was thrust into.
"God watches over drunks and third baseman." - the Immortal Leo Durocher, predicting the coming of Brandon Wood...
You're right
and I may have come down a little harsh on or boy. He did what he was paid to do, so, good for him. That said, the Save, as a statistic is and will be a dubious one for me because the situation necessary for it is essentially a set-up for success. Any above average pitcher could do this (see Smoltz, John) Why not create a stat that rewards a pitcher who gives up less than 3 runs in the 1st inning? Call it a Right Foot, as in, starting off on the.
All a save does is answer the question, ‘How close games that you were winning did you not lose?’ Not much of an insight.
Captain, there are doubt's...
How many "below average" pitchers even make it to the major leagues?
The answer to that would be none.
Therefore, by defnition, ALL major league pitchers are “above average”.
So, with so many above average pitchers playing the game over so many years, why doesn’t EVERY team have a shut-down closer? Why doesn’t every playoff team have a 70 save closer? Why isn’t the likes of a Mariano Rivera simply a common, every day, occurence?
"God watches over drunks and third baseman." - the Immortal Leo Durocher, predicting the coming of Brandon Wood...
If you have an 'above average' pitcher,
and by this I mean above the major league average, you usually try to make him a starter or at least someone who will pitch more than an inning. Closers usually aren’t “pitcher’s” in that they don’t have a repertoire of pitches and ways to get guys out. Usually they throw crazy hard (Jenks, Percival) or have something with crazy movement (K-rod, Rivera) that’s difficult to hit well. That’s it. Guys with this kind of unique ability aren’t common.
Think of it this way: what happens when a starter closes? John Smoltz, Dennis Eckersly, Randy Johnson. What happens when a closer starts? Has that ever even happened?
Bottom line is that, sure, these guys are good at what they do but what they do is highly specialized for a situation that is already set up to end with success. Records for season saves, consecutive saves, career saves, whatever, should not be elevated to the level of other, more signifcant records (RBI, ERA, SLG, etc)
Captain, there are doubt's...
We are still tracking together here...
You write of closers:
“Guys with this kind of unique ability aren’t common.”
and
“…sure, these guys are good at what they do…”
and
“…what they do is highly specialized…”
Where we seem to still be apart is the relative value of “…a situation that is already set up to end with success.” First of all, most definitely NOT all save situations are set up for success. Many are, to be sure, and those are the ones that bring out the strongest lamentations against the recording of a Save. But I would guess (not having the data) that most are NOT. Most would be situations highly leveraged AGAINST success. Tighter scores, runners on base and/or runner in scoring position, multiple outs for the offense to work with, and possibly fewer innings/outs with which the team might recover from a pitching mistake, an offense feeding off previous batter successes and heightened crowd support, coming into a game cold, not knowing how the ump will be calling your strike zone, etc.
This is why I feel that KRod’s accomplishment is worthy of respect at least, and not derision. He closed out the game against those he should have (low leveraged situations) and he closed out the game against those that maybe he shouldn’t have (highly leverages situations) and he did this across a very large number of opportunities for failure. And he did it because his skills are not common, he is good at what he does, and what he does is highly specialized. (Ok. So items #1 and #3 are somewhat redundant, but they are not my list.)
(FYI, I hear and read all kinds of diatribes from sabremetricians about the silliness of the RBI, especially, and even the ERA to some extent. But I have already stated that the Saves record does not belong among the elite records.)
P.S. – I also find it worthy of keeping in mind that a lot of KRod complainers keep harping on how his mechanics are going to cause his arm to fall off any day now, while it is other closers who are falling onto the DL (Joe Nathan being the latest.)
"God watches over drunks and third baseman." - the Immortal Leo Durocher, predicting the coming of Brandon Wood...
I guess, to quote W, it's a half-glass full situation
Is a save less significant because it’s a late inning, your team is winning, hitters have to adjust to a new pitcher or is it more significant because, as you say, there is less margin for error. I come down on the side of the former because of the success other types of pitchers have had closing games. Any good pitcher would have had a boatload of saves for us that year. I don’t Frankie would have had the same success if had started games.
Captain, there are doubt's...
Well, he wasn't going to win 70 games in a single season, that's for sure.
"God watches over drunks and third baseman." - the Immortal Leo Durocher, predicting the coming of Brandon Wood...
Jim Edmonds's diving catch in CF should be on there.
I am fan various years ago.
I think we lost that game...
Halos & Clips...must have something to do with the color red and jaded pasts...
by BryanHarvey'sMoustache on Mar 21, 2010 11:44 AM PDT up reply actions
#10
Old man Tim Belcher beating the shit out of Chan Ho Park after he beaned Randy Velarde
by Higz on Mar 19, 2010 9:56 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Brief video:
http://sanglee236.xanga.com/videos/3eaff134534
Halos & Clips...must have something to do with the color red and jaded pasts...
by BryanHarvey'sMoustache on Mar 21, 2010 11:47 AM PDT up reply actions
F the saves record
I like Vlad’s MVP award better for everything that it symbolizes.
Play Wood already. Willits sucks.
I was just thinking that.
In Doyer Stadium no less.
Wow Mike, you sure know a lot about laundry.
by Teixeira Who? on Mar 19, 2010 2:52 PM PDT up reply actions
Major Awards > Saves
Considering Frankie still blew something like seven saves that season or whatever it was, seeing an Angel win MVP, and then another win the Cy Young, was great. I grew up seeing NO Angels ever win anything. Sure, Kingfish got RoY, but the next year GA was immediately hosed out of his.
Because he was too lazy to win.
R.I.P. Nick Adenhart - Always an Angel
Frankie's Save Record and Eck's 3 Grandslam's in 2002
I’m sorry, but I would not include his saves record. The guy was so focused on it as an individual achievement, it’s hard for me to see it as a team highlight. The whole way he was just focused on Saves Record=Mega Free Agent Payoff.
For me one of the top Angel Highlights, was Eckstein’s 3 grandslam’s during the 2002 season. They were so unexpected and then to have three of them with two of them in consecutive days. This is when I honestly felt that this was a team of destiny.
by righteous halo on Mar 19, 2010 11:40 AM PDT reply actions
Jeff Devanon's Homerun Explosion
Where he hit like a dozen homeruns in 3 games
FATHER OF A WONDERFUL SON VLADIMIR
Sorry not named after Guerrero...but would be cool
It's Jeff DaVanon
Sorry…it’s just a thing with me to spell their names right. AND my sister had a huge crush on him!
Who didn't have a huge crush on him?
Wow Mike, you sure know a lot about laundry.
by Teixeira Who? on Mar 19, 2010 2:52 PM PDT up reply actions
Lies
Wow Mike, you sure know a lot about laundry.
by Teixeira Who? on Mar 19, 2010 6:09 PM PDT up reply actions
Does your sister like Woods?
I know, i know it is Wood
FATHER OF A WONDERFUL SON VLADIMIR
Sorry not named after Guerrero...but would be cool
Flipflop 1 and 2-
After the smackdown on the Giants in Game six, Game seven was a given. The magic of Game Six, relentlessly coming after the giants run by run, was more than special. That was an incredible display of NOT GIVING UP EVER!!! Truly magic, truly special, totally absolutely the greatest game in Halo history. Especially after Dusty gave away the game ball.
I am not known around here as a GA superfan, but
GA fetching 10 RBI’s in a single game, against the Yankees no less, was unbelievably damned fun.
"God watches over drunks and third baseman." - the Immortal Leo Durocher, predicting the coming of Brandon Wood...
Did you notice half of these have Rory Markus announcing???
I’ve watched this video montage twice and both times in brought a tear to my eye…love this team!
Halos & Clips...must have something to do with the color red and jaded pasts...
by BryanHarvey'sMoustache on Mar 21, 2010 11:50 AM PDT reply actions
See: sig.
Rest in peace, Rory. When I think of some of the greatest moments in my Angels fandom, I hear your voice describing them. Thanks for everything you gave us.



























